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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2181083 United States 10/18/2011 07:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | republic. The trick was teaching students in the public education system to think they lived in a democracy.It is and always has been.We live in a Republic based on the rule of law,not the votes of the masses...at least that is the way it was designed. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 692708 United States 10/18/2011 08:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The US is a Democracy. Where the shareholders are electors and have a say in what happens, it is also limited to 10 square miles in Washington District of Columbia. The shareholders have peons called US Citizens, who cannot/do not own property and cannot elect, but rather a vote (which means nothing to the District). The United states of America is a Republic, but was mostly destroyed by the War of Northern Agression (the so called Civil War) in which the Federal Government of today was set up as a Democracy/Corporate/Trust which changed Washington City to its Capitol Washington, DC. The Flag of that Democracy now flies above all state flags and pretends to be the former Republic but it has gotten to the point the US Peons no longer even call it that. So deep is the ignorance from the Public education system, the average peon does not even car to learn the difference. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1413058 United States 10/18/2011 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just checked my kid's social studies book. It says that the "Constitution states that our country is a democratic republic. In a democratic republic, people pick representives to run the government. Democracy means that the power to rule comes from the people." <That's from a social studies book published by McGraw Hill> What I learned in school was that a true democracy has everyone vote on everything. Because the USA was so large when it was founded (an even larger today, obviously), a true democracy would be impossible to maintain. Imagine counting millions of votes for every little issue. Anyway, our representatives in Congress are voted by a democratic process, and then they make decisions on our behalf in Washington, hence, the Republic part. So, saying we have a democracy in the US is only half right. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 692708 United States 10/18/2011 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just checked my kid's social studies book. It says that the "Constitution states that our country is a democratic republic. In a democratic republic, people pick representives to run the government. Democracy means that the power to rule comes from the people." <That's from a social studies book published by McGraw Hill> Quoting: Oubliette What I learned in school was that a true democracy has everyone vote on everything. Because the USA was so large when it was founded (an even larger today, obviously), a true democracy would be impossible to maintain. Imagine counting millions of votes for every little issue. Anyway, our representatives in Congress are voted by a democratic process, and then they make decisions on our behalf in Washington, hence, the Republic part. So, saying we have a democracy in the US is only half right. Your kids book is a lie. The United States is not a 'country' at all, it was a Republic of States, unified under a restricted Constitutional agreement. It is a Nation of independent states. There is never any mention of the word or working of Democracy in the founding documents that were adopted as the laws of this land. The power to rule in a Republic never leaves the people, but is defined and limited for their elected representatives in the Constitution (law of the land). Thus, the 10 th amendment "all powers" that were not enumerated to the Federal Government in the Constitution were retained by the States or to the people, respectively. Congress, the Judicial branch, the President had NO POWER that was not spelled out directly in the Constitution. They could not change it or add to it, nor could the people without specific laws being followed. That was the rule of law. If you or anyone thinks that is what is happening today, you are sadly mistaken. |
deadpammy User ID: 3391777 United States 10/18/2011 09:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is a link to help: [link to www.1215.org] For great question, everyone needs to know the difference between the two. I'm so tired of these idiot politicians trying to mold our country through brain dead sheep and the ill-informed. Last Edited by deadpammy on 10/18/2011 09:13 AM It's only life, suck it up and stop crying. We came to wreck everything and ruin your life, God sent us... -Romper Stomper 1992- The reason the Jewish people are rich, is because they work hard and are smart, the reason you are a loser, is because you are lazy and stupid. - Mike Savage |
CtYankee User ID: 1557734 United States 10/18/2011 09:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We are a Republic.....look what so called Democracy has done for the world. And I'm not talking Political "parties" CtYankee "If at first you don't succeed, erase all evidence that you tried." -anonymous -Spouting a fountain of nonsense since 1972- Never met anyone important enough to lie to..... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 842983 United States 10/18/2011 09:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The constitution is also an important part of a republic. If you had a Democracy without a constitution then the 99% poor people could vote to take money from the 1% rich people that Obama keeps talking about. I don't think the president fully understands the constitution either. . |
ShadowDancer User ID: 287857 United States 10/18/2011 01:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Constitutional Republic" ************************************ fortitudo et spes ************************************ When Japan happened I responded: "The Excrement Has Impacted the Rotary Oscillator." and clearly it has. Thread: The Excrement Is Striking the Rotary Oscillator +++++++++++++++ "Ego et Dominus sumus amici" +++++++++++++++ Ego et mea umbra +++++++++++++++ 'Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain.’ - U.S. government mind manipulator, Dr. Jose Delgado, Congressional Record, No. 262E, Vol. 118, 1974 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Realeyesrealizereallies. C. Thread: GIRD uP as GRID Collapses Thread: Eugenics 101 (Page 27) Thread: Frankenfoods for YOU (Page 2) Thread: I Do Not Consent Thread: FOOD Thread: Cern Power___Colder than Space Thread: Hempilation Compilation Contemplation Thread: Harmonics and Healing (Page 35) Thread: Sarah's Nightmare (Page 10) Thread: Destination Maccabees Thread: Let's Play a GAME Thread: Throat Singing |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1496193 United States 10/18/2011 01:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "The US is a Democracy. Where the shareholders are electors and have a say in what happens, it is also limited to 10 square miles in Washington District of Columbia. The shareholders have peons called US Citizens, who cannot/do not own property and cannot elect, but rather a vote (which means nothing to the District). The United states of America is a Republic, but was mostly destroyed by the War of Northern Agression (the so called Civil War) in which the Federal Government of today was set up as a Democracy/Corporate/Trust which changed Washington City to its Capitol Washington, DC. The Flag of that Democracy now flies above all state flags and pretends to be the former Republic but it has gotten to the point the US Peons no longer even call it that. So deep is the ignorance from the Public education system, the average peon does not even car to learn the difference." Absolutely correct...I could not say this any better. DC honors Lincoln with a hudge memorial....not because he "freed the slaves" but becuase he destoyed the Republic. |
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the white rose User ID: 108824 United States 10/18/2011 01:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since March 27,1861 the DeFacto government of democracy achieved a defeat of the Republic and became outlaw to the Constitution,if you vote for the defacto government you become outlaw to the Constitution and give up your God given unalienable rights as enumerated in the 'BILL OF RIGHTS' the white rose DO NOT VOTE |
Shingen User ID: 899829 United States 10/18/2011 01:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I pledge allegience to the flag Quoting: Oubliette Of the United States of America And to the Republic for which it stands One Nation Under God Indivisible With liberty and justice for all. That should answer the question. The Pledge of Allegiance was written by a couple of socialists in the 1890s. "Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based of five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, or county commissioners." - Edward Abbey "But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." -Lysander Spooner "If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skin into their clothing, and if we're very very lucky, they'll do it in that order." - Firefly |
708 User ID: 692708 United States 10/18/2011 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I pledge allegience to the flag Quoting: Oubliette Of the United States of America And to the Republic for which it stands One Nation Under God Indivisible With liberty and justice for all. That should answer the question. The Pledge of Allegiance was written by a couple of socialists in the 1890s. Yep, "pledges of Allegiance" were big after the military conquests of the Southern states. If the "rebels" did not take a pledge of allegiance to the Feral, I mean, Federal Government, they were imprisoned or shot. Most of the pledges were taken with loaded guns pointed at the heads of the pledgers. Even after "Representatives" from the Southern states were allowed back into still adjourned sine die congress, they were told how to vote under penalty of death (treason) and sometimes at gun point as well. |
Resister User ID: 669410 United States 10/18/2011 01:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1290895 United States 10/18/2011 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Democratic Republic....our Canada friends maybe forgiven BUT Americans don't know?...gee I wonder why our system is having problems?. Maybe because the citizens have no idea what their county's political and economic systems are, they sit in parks with signs rather than getting involved. |
Shingen User ID: 899829 United States 10/18/2011 02:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Every law passed is an original freedom lost, and a new crime instituted by the State "Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based of five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, or county commissioners." - Edward Abbey "But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." -Lysander Spooner "If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skin into their clothing, and if we're very very lucky, they'll do it in that order." - Firefly |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1413058 United States 10/18/2011 03:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fair enough. I did look over the constitution, and I couldn't find anywhere where it specifically states that the US is a 'democratic republic'. A Republic is defined as: 1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law <Miriam-Websters> Article 4, Section 4 of the Constitution states: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence. However, a democracy is defined as: 1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections <Miriam-Websters> Article 1 Section 2 states: The House of Representatives shall be composed of members chosen every second year by the people of the several states, and the electors in each state shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislature. Amendment 17 states: The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each state shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislatures. When the constitution was originally written the "body of citizens' who could vote consisted of white men who owned property. Amendments were passed that turned that body of citizens into all adults above the age of 18, thus making the voting process more democratic. So, I'm still going with 'Democratic Republic'. |
708 User ID: 692708 United States 10/19/2011 08:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fair enough. I did look over the constitution, and I couldn't find anywhere where it specifically states that the US is a 'democratic republic'. A Republic is defined as: 1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law <Miriam-Websters> Article 4, Section 4 of the Constitution states: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence. However, a democracy is defined as: 1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections <Miriam-Websters> Article 1 Section 2 states: The House of Representatives shall be composed of members chosen every second year by the people of the several states, and the electors in each state shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislature. Amendment 17 states: The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each state shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislatures. When the constitution was originally written the "body of citizens' who could vote consisted of white men who owned property. Amendments were passed that turned that body of citizens into all adults above the age of 18, thus making the voting process more democratic. So, I'm still going with 'Democratic Republic'. Good on you for doing your own research! The Federal Government was originally the Government of the States to provide them with protection, mutual trade/currency/postal service, it was never supposed to be the Governing body of the People/citizens of each State. The State Reps voted the will of their people when it came to common issues not addressed directly by the Constitution. I would ask you to continue your studies, because we all can agree on this: What ever it started out as, the Federal Government today has very little, if any, viable semblance of what was intended by its founders. |
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