I'm a Chemtrail Debunker/Detractor  . . . I would agree CHEMTRAILs exist if . . . Poll

now now. play nice

Tried that...not worth the effort.


You'll see...

Sorry to disappoint your misogynous like attitudes but I am male . . .

Has George ever posted on ANY other subject? If so, I haven't seen it.

Man, that's some kind of focus - no shit. Honestly, I'm impressed. How can a person go down a dead end road for so long with such intensity and focus?

I mean, seriously?

And George said he has enough money.... What is that??? I have no idea what the word "enough" means with respect to the subject of money.

George is unique, no question.

Last Edited by N34444 on 11/16/2011 10:37 PM

That's the service ceiling of the C-130 Hercules. It has nothing to do with the operating altitude of the spray system, which has been demonstrated to be entirely unrelated to the persistent contrails that are occurring at cruise altitudes (FL260 - FL400 or thereabouts).

Obviously if spraying is being done at 100', it has a purpose, as it will affect the area above which it is being sprayed. The same spraying (not allowing for the effects of icing on the substance being sprayed) carried out at FL300 would be blown many miles away from the area below the aircraft by winds aloft.

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Yeah, like thousands. Cirrus clouds here probably come down as rain in Europe or Asia.

I never said or implied otherwise. . . . I have indicated that different missions use different tools. . . The C130 is just one. . .

OK George, I stand corrected. You have a wide ranging interest in conspiracies.

But I still don't understand what the word "enough" means WRT the subject of money.

Can you help me out with that one????

Understood, but it still have been construed as such, so I felt the need to clarify it.

Guys . . .global dimming to mitigate global warming is most likely a slow roll by IPCC and the Airline execs to mitigate persistent high efficiency jet trails along with increased sulfur or other dimming particulates as a fuel additive. . . Boosted by an occasional high volume aerosol tanker via some one like Evergreen and/or Raytheon Corp. . . Goal = suspend infrared reflective aerosols at 30,000 feet plus for months or years. . . Just like a good volcanic eruption . . .


They would not likely use a C130. . . I never said otherwise. . .

So, in order to mitigate global warming, they use a vehicle that has most definitely played its part in causing global warming in the first place?

Wow, they must love irony ...

I am satisfied with my income, my toys, and my life. . . .I have no need to chase the almighty dollar. . . There are other things more important to me. . .

Possibly. . . If you believe anthropomorphic activities are a major cause of
Global Warming . . I think natural cycles are just as likely a cause . . .

Without doubt they (natural warming cycles) are involved. I was merely pointing out that there's a certain amount of irony in using an aeroplane to mitigate global warming, whilst putting a bunch of CO2 and water vapour up there in the process ...

Not that I believe for a minute that is what's going on, I hasten to point out.

Last Edited by Nigel Tufnel on 11/16/2011 11:24 PM

Satisfied with money and life....

Jesus George, that's beyond my comprehension.

I have never been satisfied with ANYTHING I've ever achieved after about the first 15 minutes or so. I'm always striving for more. It's just the way it is with me.

They are reducing the sulfur content of fuels

people are different. . . different strokes for different folks. . . . I worked very hard for many years. . . was forced to slow down and smell the roses . . . I got use to it and now I would rather smell roses than grow them . . .life is funny. . .

That is the publicity. . . You believe everything you read . . . jet fuel come from very few refineries. . . Most of them in the US . . . .

Most jet fuel comes from the US and from only 137 refineries. . . 

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Good night all. . . Need some sleep. . . .

Considering that John Holdren the Science Czar has come out publically now and admitted that they have been "testing" and they call it Geoenginerring, and that its for our own good...

...and they are just trying to cool, the earth...

Says it all to me...

I don't think there is a question about this anymore..The gov has the patents, they admit to doing it...hundreds of top experts in weather modification, as well as one of the top brain surgeons in the world has come forward to say , it does in fact exist..

Pilots have come forward, testing of the air and soil show aluminum and barium..there are protests all over Europe about this...

.....did I mention Holdren says they are doing it???

This is old news....

I do the same exact thing...

Years ago I accidentally learned that these people exist while watching youtube videos from an air show...and I have been fixated on the subject ever since.

I know how he feels....But, at least I'M on the side of truth in the matter...

Aint THAT the truth!!??

Why were you "forced" to slow down? A mental illness diagnosis?! Some other sort of illness you attribute to aviation/"chemtrails" in some way?

HYPOCRITE!!!!

This is the silliest statement you have yet said. Of course I don't believe everything I read that is why I don't believe in chemtrails, Nibiru, astrology, numerology, and all the other pseudo and junk science claims. If I believe everything I read I would be like you making ad hoc assumptions and weaving intricate stories that are too flimsy to stand on their own.



The sources you provided said 148, And so what? Are you trying to tell me that none of them have ever been tested for sulfur content? Are you going to start another improbable story about an Air Force captain who secretly does the testing and then fakes the results? How many crimes are you going to make this poor captain commit?

Last Edited by F=ma on 11/17/2011 06:18 AM

And did John Holdren say the trails we all see have ANYTHING to DO with "geoengineering"? Did he say in what scale they are "testing" and in what area/region...(or if it's being done through computer models in a lab)?? How often? At what altitude?

Oh yeah...There are many questions about it!!! Stop pretending you have all the answers...you don't!

Pilots have NOT come forward to say that the trails we all see are related to "geoengineering" they have come forward and explained that hey have sprayed chemicals as part of cloud seeding or some other project also unrelated to the trail in the sky...

And people who are ignorant about air and soil, collecting samples of natural elements which have ALWAYS been found in air/soil and jumping to STUPID conclusions about DRINKING water levels doesn't prove that the trails have anything to do with the samples they "find".

Yes, you mentioned that John Holdren says they are "doing it"...but you haven't shown any evidence that we are being affected..or that it's actually physically taking place...or this it has anything whatsoever to do with the trails in the sky...which are contrails.

Nice try! And when I say "nice"....that's sarcasm for pathetic...

Please provide a link to the information about John Holdren admitting it....not just some chemtard blog...but an actual speech...copied word for word.

Thanks!

I am proposing a possible way to get massive amounts of additives in
high flying aircraft via their fuel with the fewest number of people involved. . . .

That is 137 operational refineries. . . Several are idle. . . .there are few
corporate owners of the refineries. . . BP is the primary source for example of much of the North American Northwest. . . both civil and military. . . It is a natural choke point. . . A few individuals can manipulate the fuel content within a few percent of its performance parameters and have it distributed without, for the most part, anyone in the airline industry aware. . . .I am sure they are aware of the testing regimes conducted on the fuel and can game play it to avoid detection . . .


"Situated on 2,400 acres and employing about 825 full-time workers, the facility processes more than 225,000 barrels of crude oil a day, primarily transportation fuels. It provides about 20 percent of the gasoline market share in Washington and Oregon, the majority of jet fuel for Seattle, Portland and Vancouver, B.C. international airports, and is the largest west coast supplier of jet fuel to the U.S. military."


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Last Edited by George B on 11/17/2011 07:16 AM

Do you have any links to the Science Czar's exact comments?

I love how it's YOU that always comes up with a way to fool "the people"...yet, haven't shown that anyone else is doing anything of the sort...

Your paranoid "what if" world must be a scary place to live within!

By the way..your link is broken...