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Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?

 
Albanian-1 (OP)

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hahahahaha, so someone filmed albanian muslims, and AUTOMATICALLY linked them to an arab identity..

the children in the video are white as white can be... Because of the islamic religion, that makes the albanian muslims arabs now??

really???

so what about the greeks who are orthodox, does that make them russian because russians are orthodox??

illogical, and idiotic.




religion doesnt define a persons identity,culture, language and blood. understand?
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
You cant compare vlad to skenderbeg and the albanians... vlad was defeated, skenderbeg was not!, his defeat was natural death...

vlad did resist the ottoman but he lost... albanians didnt lose, but when our general died, albanians couldnt find a hero with equal charisma and power, which led to our downfall
 Quoting: Albanian-1


vlad wasn't defeated by turks but by fellow christians!
the first major defeat suffered by ottomans in europe was inflicted by stefan the great (the romanian) at vaslui 1475). huge defeat! but overall all the people of the balcan peninsula fought the turks. romanians serbs hungarians albanians. i'm not sure about bulgarians:)
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
yeah they probably meant 'Semitic' rather than 'Arab'. I think Jordanians and Saudis are Semitic, not Arab. Not my special subject but I think that is the case. In any case, shills only show up if someone is speaking the truth.

someday this war's gonna end...

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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
yeah they probably meant 'Semitic' rather than 'Arab'. I think Jordanians and Saudis are Semitic, not Arab. Not my special subject but I think that is the case. In any case, shills only show up if someone is speaking the truth.

someday this war's gonna end...


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hahahahahahahaha couldnt of said it any better, shills always show up when someone is speaking the truth... fuckin haters

lol, id buy u a drink, too bad your soo farr away!`!!!,

but yes, religion doesnt define someones identity right?

jelous shills right bro
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Does the Albanian community in Canada have a Mafia similar to the one here in Europe?

Rumor has it you mostly see Mercedes and Audi luxury cars in Tirana... tounge
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Does the Albanian community in Canada have a Mafia similar to the one here in Europe?

Rumor has it you mostly see Mercedes and Audi luxury cars in Tirana... tounge
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hahaha, the albanian mafia is entrenched in eastern canada such as montreal and toronto.. who are connected to albanian mafia families and clans in new york....



Are you german? fyi, albanians consider germans as cousins!!
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
I can see this Scanderbeg fella is a national hero, but really only an Albanian would claim he saved Europe. The Ottomans didnt need to defeat the Albanian region to reach Italy, they would just drive up though the old FYR region.
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what? the FYR region? thats east of albania, how could that be strategic for the turks???

fact is, the only way the turks could of had a successful attack on rome would of been through albania, not east or north of it.
 Quoting: Albanian-1


??? unless you are going to launch a naval invasion on south Italy, Albania has no strategic bearing on attacking Rome. And then you could launch from north or south of that particular part of the Adriatic. A land army from Turkey wouldnt go anywhere near Albania on their way to Italy.
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Does the Albanian community in Canada have a Mafia similar to the one here in Europe?

Rumor has it you mostly see Mercedes and Audi luxury cars in Tirana... tounge
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7259335


hahaha, the albanian mafia is entrenched in eastern canada such as montreal and toronto.. who are connected to albanian mafia families and clans in new york....



Are you german? fyi, albanians consider germans as cousins!!
 Quoting: Albanian-1


albanains failed at history big time
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I can see this Scanderbeg fella is a national hero, but really only an Albanian would claim he saved Europe. The Ottomans didnt need to defeat the Albanian region to reach Italy, they would just drive up though the old FYR region.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7011434


what? the FYR region? thats east of albania, how could that be strategic for the turks???

fact is, the only way the turks could of had a successful attack on rome would of been through albania, not east or north of it.
 Quoting: Albanian-1


??? unless you are going to launch a naval invasion on south Italy, Albania has no strategic bearing on attacking Rome. And then you could launch from north or south of that particular part of the Adriatic. A land army from Turkey wouldnt go anywhere near Albania on their way to Italy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7011434


Remember that at that time, albania was way way bigger than todays geographical albania which is relatively small..

The turks already had greece, so through greece, macedonia, bulgaria etc, they would have to go through Albania in order to get to italy. The route, through Kruja (albanian territorial area) provided a route between east, and west..

If u look at the european map, turkey(constantinople) and greece are south of albania and western europe is northwest of albania.. so you see that they would have to go through albania in order to get to rome.

why would turks launch a naval invasion against italy? it wouldnt prove as affective as land invasion.
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iv met plenty of albanians in my time and i can say only one thing about you.. that each and everyone of you are scum.. plus i dont think iv ever met a christian albanian.. all albanians iv met were muzzie and the scum shia type muzzie to add..
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Does the Albanian community in Canada have a Mafia similar to the one here in Europe?

Rumor has it you mostly see Mercedes and Audi luxury cars in Tirana... tounge
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7259335


hahaha, the albanian mafia is entrenched in eastern canada such as montreal and toronto.. who are connected to albanian mafia families and clans in new york....



Are you german? fyi, albanians consider germans as cousins!!
 Quoting: Albanian-1


albanains failed at history big time
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lol, according to historians we saved chrisianity, so if thats not epic victory, i dunno what is..


as my australian friend said above... when shills see the truth, they always try and insult..

typical, coming from a gispy from romania.
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Are you german? fyi, albanians consider germans as cousins!!
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Yes, went to school with a dozen Albanians :)

Never had to worry about personal safety... chuckle
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
Does the Albanian community in Canada have a Mafia similar to the one here in Europe?

Rumor has it you mostly see Mercedes and Audi luxury cars in Tirana... tounge
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7259335


hahaha, the albanian mafia is entrenched in eastern canada such as montreal and toronto.. who are connected to albanian mafia families and clans in new york....



Are you german? fyi, albanians consider germans as cousins!!
 Quoting: Albanian-1


albanains failed at history big time
 Quoting: icsluca




lol, according to historians we saved chrisianity, so if thats not epic victory, i dunno what is..


as my australian friend said above... when shills see the truth, they always try and insult..

typical, coming from a gispy from romania.
 Quoting: Albanian-1


you are probably reading now on internet to discover your roots. this is a good thing. you didn't save Christianity, your ancestors fought for them not for the french or italians. if you read more you will see that the otoman emipre was a huge empire who couldn't be stopped by such a small population as the albanians. all the balkan people caused major problems to the turks but ultimately all of them were defeated after each rebellion and had to pay taxes to the turks. (I'm not going to brag that only the romanian countries were never pasalik). don't call me a gypsy! when you will read more you will see that the ilyrians were related to the thracians (dacians-my ancestors). so in a way we, the romanians, are the only very distant relatives of the albanians.
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haha I am of german descent, yes can feel the kinship.

any place where orthodox meets islam is the frontline.
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
ICSLUKA:::

You insulted me right? i insulted you ; vice-versa, now even ground cool??

And yes, the romanians are the descendants of the thracians, and some say they are the cousins of the illyrians.. romanians i like because your not slavic, plain and simple..

I will not take away the sacrafices everyone made against the ottoman empire especially the romanians..

but, the albanians were basically the throat cutters of the ottman empire if you will, the ones who stopped them dead at their track. The ottoman empire, after their defeat by skanderbeg, lost their momentum to overtake rome, as historians will tell you..

They recouped back to Constantinople where they figured what they allready had was enough.
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ICSLUKA:::

You insulted me right? i insulted you ; vice-versa, now even ground cool??

And yes, the romanians are the descendants of the thracians, and some say they are the cousins of the illyrians.. romanians i like because your not slavic, plain and simple..

I will not take away the sacrafices everyone made against the ottoman empire especially the romanians..

but, the albanians were basically the throat cutters of the ottman empire if you will, the ones who stopped them dead at their track. The ottoman empire, after their defeat by skanderbeg, lost their momentum to overtake rome, as historians will tell you..

They recouped back to Constantinople where they figured what they allready had was enough.
 Quoting: Albanian-1


your hero lived in the XV century. but the turks made budapest a pasalik around 1520. you see, you stopped the turks "temporary". the greatest ottoman leader was Soliman the magnificent(1520-1566). those were the best year of ottoman empire. if there were turks on glp they would confirm.
but good for the albanians!
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Albanians mostly don't give a shit what some minor gipsy from serbia or roumania says. Many albanian family members have freakin blue eyes, if that doesn't proove their supremacy over all the other countries in the balkan, I don't know what else would.
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
Albanians mostly don't give a shit what some minor gipsy from serbia or roumania says. Many albanian family members have freakin blue eyes, if that doesn't proove their supremacy over all the other countries in the balkan, I don't know what else would.
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Albanians are white as white can be, that is fact, ... And i think this is why we feel a good connection and affinity with germans and italians..

and the romanians fall in the same catagory, white as white can be.

as for the slavs, theyre from siberia, mongolian-iranian siberia that is.
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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
Albanians mostly don't give a shit what some minor gipsy from serbia or roumania says. Many albanian family members have freakin blue eyes, if that doesn't proove their supremacy over all the other countries in the balkan, I don't know what else would.
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you probably consider yourself an aryan, it's enough for me
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Remember that at that time, albania was way way bigger than todays geographical albania which is relatively small..

The turks already had greece, so through greece, macedonia, bulgaria etc, they would have to go through Albania in order to get to italy. The route, through Kruja (albanian territorial area) provided a route between east, and west..

If u look at the european map, turkey(constantinople) and greece are south of albania and western europe is northwest of albania.. so you see that they would have to go through albania in order to get to rome.

why would turks launch a naval invasion against italy? it wouldnt prove as affective as land invasion.
 Quoting: Albanian-1


i dont know if you are claiming that Albania used to cover the area now Serbia, but i reckon you must be looking at a special map? certainly Kruja is no path to anywhere from Constantinople except the sea. Turkey is due East of Albania, Istanbul is practically same latitude as Tirana. Once you have Bulgaria you would carry on NW ward through Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, Solvenia. Albania is an unnessary detour. i dont think turks would favor a naval invasion, thats my point, there's no advantage to holding Albania with Rome or Italy in mind. you'd only want Albania to fill in the gap.
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Remember that at that time, albania was way way bigger than todays geographical albania which is relatively small..

The turks already had greece, so through greece, macedonia, bulgaria etc, they would have to go through Albania in order to get to italy. The route, through Kruja (albanian territorial area) provided a route between east, and west..

If u look at the european map, turkey(constantinople) and greece are south of albania and western europe is northwest of albania.. so you see that they would have to go through albania in order to get to rome.

why would turks launch a naval invasion against italy? it wouldnt prove as affective as land invasion.
 Quoting: Albanian-1


i dont know if you are claiming that Albania used to cover the area now Serbia, but i reckon you must be looking at a special map? certainly Kruja is no path to anywhere from Constantinople except the sea. Turkey is due East of Albania, Istanbul is practically same latitude as Tirana. Once you have Bulgaria you would carry on NW ward through Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, Solvenia. Albania is an unnessary detour. i dont think turks would favor a naval invasion, thats my point, there's no advantage to holding Albania with Rome or Italy in mind. you'd only want Albania to fill in the gap.
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The turkish conquest came from turkey, through greece, to albania.. and albania was way bigger then in size. its not a detour as you stated, as it was a strategic route, or so the turks thought. Even the conquror turk who conquored all the lands (mehmet II) after 2 attempts could not get through albania himself.. of course until our leader died of natural causes.. then it was fair game for the turks.

Now im not saying albania was the only way, im saying at that time, the strategy of the turks was through albania, but little did they know, it was a bad decision.
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The world needs to know the sacrafice albanians made for christianity. Just watch the documentary. imagine how overwhelmned rome would of been if the ottomans took a hold of it. But NO!, we saved christianity..

a nod would be appreciated from those 2 posters above..

and today:

muslim albanians side with the turks, because after the fall of skenderbeg, albanians become leaders in the ottoman empire and were sometimes the leading figures for 400 years.. thats the muslim albanians..

the christian albanians:

alot are in italy (arbresh) they escaped during the ottoman invasion.

christian albanians hate turks and arabs.. very racist towards them.
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Albanians are muslims.....and leading crime land...
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Albanians mostly don't give a shit what some minor gipsy from serbia or roumania says. Many albanian family members have freakin blue eyes, if that doesn't proove their supremacy over all the other countries in the balkan, I don't know what else would.
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Albanians are white as white can be, that is fact, ... And i think this is why we feel a good connection and affinity with germans and italians..

and the romanians fall in the same catagory, white as white can be.

as for the slavs, theyre from siberia, mongolian-iranian siberia that is.
 Quoting: Albanian-1


Yes most albanian people speak fluent italian and even german and french.. Personally, I speak 6 languages.
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LOVE Albanian men, grrrrrrrrrr!!!! Strong, loyal.
Backwoods beauty queen with an AK!!!
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You mean illyrians. They were badass and killed many turks but they were killed, raped and forced to assimilate. Who really saved europe from ottoman empire was the polish cavalry at the gates of vienna.
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Jan Sobieski, God Bless 'im!

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Re: Did the Albanians save Christian Europe from an Ottoman Takever?
Now im not saying albania was the only way, im saying at that time, the strategy of the turks was through albania, but little did they know, it was a bad decision.
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yeah very bad, so bad i dont see it would be acted upon, did they intend to reach Italy? once Albania has fallen later on, they didnt suddenly find themselves marching on Rome. Instead they apparently go north Veinna, rather than west to Venice.
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Now im not saying albania was the only way, im saying at that time, the strategy of the turks was through albania, but little did they know, it was a bad decision.
 Quoting: Albanian-1


yeah very bad, so bad i dont see it would be acted upon, did they intend to reach Italy? once Albania has fallen later on, they didnt suddenly find themselves marching on Rome. Instead they apparently go north Veinna, rather than west to Venice.
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the intention of the conquror(mehmet ii) was to reach italy. As he already conquored almost all of eastern europe. AFter he conquored greece and macedonia, he headed due west for rome. But, the albanians under skanderbeg kept him at bay for half a century. After finally taking albania, the will power was not strong enough to overtake rome... Of course, the albanian resistance bought precious time, nearly a 100 years before the ottoman headed for vienna..

That precious time, 100 years, proved vital for the rest of europe.
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OP ur epic fail

when Ottomans came to Albania, the Albanians converted to Islam

That's the only reason they did not touch them

no glory in that, but just bend how the wind blows

yup, bend over > sideways
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people, where art thou? no comment about this great time in history? that was possible one of the most important?????????
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didnt know, still they suck about now.

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