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YOU dont surprise me at all!Why are you dismayed?

The Book of Jeremiah
Chapter 10
Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
 Quoting: neim777


I do not sense that the OP is consternated or distressed. Rather just sharing a video she feels strongly about and giving a warning.

peace,
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And as far as other inhabited worlds, with beings, of course there are other inhabited worlds with intelligent life! GOD created much more than just this earth, BUT those beings DO NOT travel here to communicate with us. The Bible tells us that God left the 99 to save the one that was lost. I believe that has more than just one application. I believe He left the other "unfallen" worlds out there to save this "one" world (Earth) that fell to rebellion and is lost. Demons are constrained to this earth, they possess people all the time. They can transform themselves into angels of light, they can transform them into supposed departed loved ones, etc. Infact 99% of these psychotic diseases are actually demon possession. Schizophrenia, ADD, ADHD, and all these psychiatric "illnesses" are more times than not demon possession. Not saying all of them are, but most of them definitely are. That's why Jesus spent so much time in Biblical times casting out demons, they were prevalent then and they're still prevalent now. Angels of heaven can also visit our world, but they don't do the stupid stuff people say like "abduct" people or try to pro-create with them! That is just utter foolishness that people believe that stuff! They come here to protect and help God's people, keep them from harm, lead them in true paths, etc.
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Oh Lisa Lisa, you have struck a nerve in satins minions...keep up the good work!
 Quoting: Chop's



LOL



no such thing as satan...


only evil that can possibly exist is in the 3rd dimensional realm such as the dark ages of earth...(we are now in a higher realm of consciousness now, not sure on exact dimensional status)

what i mean to say is in the higher dimensions evil can't exist because the frequency difference is too great...



when you get say to the 7th dimension and up it is all love/light...

hmm...

i wish i could explain my thoughts better, lol

but i know there are others on this website who know what i am talking about...


the majority of our brothers and sisters of/from the cosmos are love/light....


do you think Source would allow anything else?


no, as that would not protect creation/life..

think about it:)

love for the win:)

it's the dark ones who would like for you to believe that "aliens" are coming here to be negative, when in reality it is the complete opposite of what is going on:)

Truth is we have family throughout the cosmos...there are spiritual hiearchies, etc.etc...

everything is much more organised than you may think:)

lol

we would not allow this universe to be a free for all.....

life is much too important to allow life to kill itself...

well, there is freewill here, but it would not be fair for say the powers that were to start shooting nukes at people for example, that will not be allowed...


now is the time for people to wake up, the dark have done thier job to help you wake up...

thanks:)

learn, forgive, evolve
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so that this may be seen on the 12th page:)

lol


really though this is important...


ask yourself before you go to sleep tonight for the Truth.
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I AM SATAN AND APPROVE OF THIS THREAD'S CONTENT.

REMEMBER TO READ YOUR BIBLE LITTLE ONES.

AND DON'T LET WOMEN TALK IN CHURCH.
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guys we do seem to have some surprising correlations going on lately:

Thread: Peter Pan Just Showed Me That Jesus Is An Alien
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Wow, so much hate on this thread...

It is true, I believe it!!

Why? Because pretty much exactly one year ago I believed that aliens were our gods. I fell in to the 'Ancient Alien' craze; started watching all the episodes, bought a couple of books (chariots of the gods, etc.), I found glp and was highly interested in the alien threads, ufo sightings, etc.

I was an athiest.

But you know what? Weird things started happening and I started having 'divine interventions' if you may say that...eventually, God literally showed Himself to me, through my life, and people on this site, and He came down HARD...I couldn't deny Him. He told me that the alien deception IS real. It ALL falls in to place!!! It will be the biggest deception of mankind...

I just say, if you don't agree on something, don't spew out hate because you will be shown the truth if you soften your heart..
 Quoting: Eazy D


Is there a reason why God does not convey that information to all humans?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1416114


He does, but you are the one who has to do the work of opening your heart to truth and love.
Most religious people don't get this but you don't have to be religious to know God.

hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3164646


So he just cant tell me, is what you are saying?

Why cant God tell us all, just plain normal tongue?

What did you do to hear the voice of Allah?
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You are very lucky Jesus cannot post a rebuttal.

I mean, really.whatever
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AMen!

Great Video Lisa!

Maranatha Jesus!!!
Susie

For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.....Matthew 6:21
There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens: Ecclesiastes 3:1
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When we look up, what will we see?

:messiah23:
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI


Or was this card created to discredit truth? This game can be played all day...
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hey you !

if you are so smart answer my questions here !


Thread: TRUTH ABOUT RELIGION (((((((((((( my opinion )))))))))))

you sad this bs op ?
""I heard directly from the Lord regarding this. If you don't believe, ask Him in prayer to reveal the truth to you. Please pray about it, this is serious.""


* GIVE A MAN A FISH AND HE WILL EAT FOR A DAY , TEACH A MAN TO FISH AND HE WILL EAT FOR A LIFETIME BUT GIVE A MAN RELIGION AND HE WILL DIE PRAYING FOR A FISH TO EAT .*

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...
If god is all powerful, how come he allows Satan and his followers to exists?
...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7706801

Some answers to this here: Thread: Understanding negativity with The Law of One.

hf

 Quoting: Valtor


Why do you intentionally lower case "g" in God and
upper case "S" in satan?


They exist because they were all created...this flesh
Earth Age we are in is the decisive Age of choice.

Father God gives each of His Creations the choice.

Satan and his cronies made the choice to turn against Father God their Creator. So they have been tried and convicted to death.

Either you choose to accept Jesus Yeshua Messiah as your
Saviour or you don't.

If you choose not to accept Jesus, you made the choice to remain separate from God...He will then separate Himself
from you. That means your soul will cease to exist
at the given time Father God chooses.


Peace, Be Still...
Pray For The True peace Of Jerusalem
 Quoting: Jack Daphne


I am one with God, we have conversations everyday every day. I don't believe in Satan though. If he did exist, then why give him that power? LOL

As for the lower cases and upper case thing, i use spell check so sue me.

If you really want to see God work, ask him to show you a miracle. He will provide you with a good show, if you know how to look.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7706801


Oh Satan/Lucifer/Destroyer/Devil,
all one in the same, he exists.
His role in this flesh age is to
convince as many as possible that he doesn't exist.
He wants as many souls with him as possible.
They all get to go into the Lake of Fire
with Him on Judgment Day.


Peace, Be Still...
Pray For The True peace Of Jerusalem :)

"Peace...Be Still...
The Chaff IS Separating
Itself From The Wheat.
By Their Own Hands Will
They Out Themselves.
Watch As THE Almighty
Hand Of God Moves
On Behalf Of His Children." June, 2015


Pray Non Ceasing For
Trump/Pence Families,
Trump Administration,
Patriot Warriors Worldwide!
For AMERICA! For ISRAEL!

Stay Happy...
Stay Focused...
Stay The Course...
The Storm Is Upon Us.

Wear The Full Armour Of God
Never Take It Off...Sleep In It.
Be Ready For Battle At ALL Times.
Do Not Get Comfortable...
The Enemy Never Sleeps
The Enemy IS Always Looking For One To Devour.

This IS A Physical AND Spiritual War!

Pray For The Peace Of Jerusalem.
___________

Animal Waves First Full Lp
Dropped. 10 Great Songs!
Find It Everywhere May 8, 2020




open.spotify.com/album/0yTIhHKac2456acyYS8Gky?si=y-9​e0OBdSJ276-MZklFC3w


"Animal Waves"
5 Song EP..."VOID"!


Written, Produced by Nathaniel Cox and Robert Davis
Maxwell Drummey - Bass, Keys
David Goodstein - Drums
Engineered - Sam Madill
Artwork by Briana Eason and Mike Soens
Stream wherever you like.
AW Debut LP coming in Spring.


Animal Waves..."Tell Me"
[link to youtu.be (secure)]
Animal Waves..."Love Is Cold"
[link to youtu.be (secure)]
Animal Waves..."Cold Turkey"
[link to youtu.be (secure)]
Animal Waves..."WTF"
[link to youtu.be (secure)]
[link to innocentwords.com]
"Animal Waves Performs
Mash-Up of Led Zeppelin & Tom Petty"
[link to youtu.be (secure)]
[link to newnoisemagazine.com (secure)]
"See You Again"
[link to vimeo.com (secure)]
"My Friend Sin"
[link to youtu.be (secure)]
Revelator by Josh Garrels: [link to youtu.be]

Find New Music
starsuncharted.com
The GLP Song
[link to soundcloud.com]

Music...The Universal Language.
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...
If god is all powerful, how come he allows Satan and his followers to exists?
...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7706801

Some answers to this here: Thread: Understanding negativity with The Law of One.

hf

 Quoting: Valtor


Why do you intentionally lower case "g" in God and
upper case "S" in satan?


They exist because they were all created...this flesh
Earth Age we are in is the decisive Age of choice.

Father God gives each of His Creations the choice.

Satan and his cronies made the choice to turn against Father God their Creator. So they have been tried and convicted to death.

Either you choose to accept Jesus Yeshua Messiah as your
Saviour or you don't.

If you choose not to accept Jesus, you made the choice to remain separate from God...He will then separate Himself
from you. That means your soul will cease to exist
at the given time Father God chooses.


Peace, Be Still...
Pray For The True peace Of Jerusalem
 Quoting: Jack Daphne


amen, brother!
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‎"A day of ignorance and concealment, a day of practiced magic and the lowering of high things, as the dawn spreads out upon the mountains, a huge abundant congregated mighty people come into existence that has never been before and shall never be after… and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded." Joel 2:1, 2, 8
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 Quoting: Valtor


Why do you intentionally lower case "g" in God and
upper case "S" in satan?


They exist because they were all created...this flesh
Earth Age we are in is the decisive Age of choice.

Father God gives each of His Creations the choice.

Satan and his cronies made the choice to turn against Father God their Creator. So they have been tried and convicted to death.

Either you choose to accept Jesus Yeshua Messiah as your
Saviour or you don't.

If you choose not to accept Jesus, you made the choice to remain separate from God...He will then separate Himself
from you. That means your soul will cease to exist
at the given time Father God chooses.


Peace, Be Still...
Pray For The True peace Of Jerusalem
 Quoting: Jack Daphne


I am one with God, we have conversations everyday every day. I don't believe in Satan though. If he did exist, then why give him that power? LOL

As for the lower cases and upper case thing, i use spell check so sue me.

If you really want to see God work, ask him to show you a miracle. He will provide you with a good show, if you know how to look.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7706801


Oh Satan/Lucifer/Destroyer/Devil,
all one in the same, he exists.
His role in this flesh age is to
convince as many as possible that he doesn't exist.
He wants as many souls with him as possible.
They all get to go into the Lake of Fire
with Him on Judgment Day.


Peace, Be Still...
Pray For The True peace Of Jerusalem :)

 Quoting: Jack Daphne

That is your belief and you are entitled to it, as i am to mine.
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OOOH GOD ! SO MANY BRAIN WASHED HERE !
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Oh Lisa Lisa, you have struck a nerve in satins minions...keep up the good work!
 Quoting: Chop's


Again, another major insult, calling none christians 'Satans Minions'.

You are the typical scum of the earth I despise.
Remember, many people are only still alive as it is ilegal to shoot the fuckers.
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Why do you intentionally lower case "g" in God and
upper case "S" in satan?


They exist because they were all created...this flesh
Earth Age we are in is the decisive Age of choice.

Father God gives each of His Creations the choice.

Satan and his cronies made the choice to turn against Father God their Creator. So they have been tried and convicted to death.

Either you choose to accept Jesus Yeshua Messiah as your
Saviour or you don't.

If you choose not to accept Jesus, you made the choice to remain separate from God...He will then separate Himself
from you. That means your soul will cease to exist
at the given time Father God chooses.


Peace, Be Still...
Pray For The True peace Of Jerusalem
 Quoting: Jack Daphne


I am one with God, we have conversations everyday every day. I don't believe in Satan though. If he did exist, then why give him that power? LOL

As for the lower cases and upper case thing, i use spell check so sue me.

If you really want to see God work, ask him to show you a miracle. He will provide you with a good show, if you know how to look.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7706801


Oh Satan/Lucifer/Destroyer/Devil,
all one in the same, he exists.
His role in this flesh age is to
convince as many as possible that he doesn't exist.
He wants as many souls with him as possible.
They all get to go into the Lake of Fire
with Him on Judgment Day.


Peace, Be Still...
Pray For The True peace Of Jerusalem :)

 Quoting: Jack Daphne

That is your belief and you are entitled to it, as i am to mine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7706801


On another note, how is putting all my faith in God, stay true to him and not believing in such a thing as a Devil considered damning? Sounds like a screw job to me.

If he damns me to hell for being true to him, BUT not believing in Satan, he might need to rethink his process of elimination.
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Wow, I get a load of red karma for not agreeing with a few christians and defending myself when I am told I am one of Satans Minions, Im going to burn in hell and I am a swine for not believing in Jesus. What a lovely caring bunch of hypocrites you are.
Remember, many people are only still alive as it is ilegal to shoot the fuckers.
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Wow, I get a load of red karma for not agreeing with a few christians and defending myself when I am told I am one of Satans Minions, Im going to burn in hell and I am a swine for not believing in Jesus. What a lovely caring bunch of hypocrites you are.
 Quoting: coyles


Just ignore them, for they know not what they do.chuckle
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They are the fallen angels that God spoke of.
 Quoting: Lion of Judah


Yes, and worse!

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I was skeptical, almost ready to laugh at this, until I read how ferverently some of these shills are trying to put you down and insult you. All AC lol. You must be on to something, because the filth is coming out of the woodwork to talk crap. I have QUITE an interesting theory on what these fallen angels/aliens really are, PM me if you're curious. Anyone, btw. Except you blatantly obvious shills.

Sadly, they're not government shills. You know what I'm saying here. Man this year is going to be ugly.
Some things are better left unsaid.
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Wow, I get a load of red karma for not agreeing with a few christians and defending myself when I am told I am one of Satans Minions, Im going to burn in hell and I am a swine for not believing in Jesus. What a lovely caring bunch of hypocrites you are.
 Quoting: coyles


then i am safe now ... if they see what i posted , i would be dead ! blackeye
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‎"A day of ignorance and concealment, a day of practiced magic and the lowering of high things, as the dawn spreads out upon the mountains, a huge abundant congregated mighty people come into existence that has never been before and shall never be after… and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded." Joel 2:1, 2, 8
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where?
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They are the fallen angels that God spoke of.
 Quoting: Lion of Judah


Yes, and worse!

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I was skeptical, almost ready to laugh at this, until I read how ferverently some of these shills are trying to put you down and insult you. All AC lol. You must be on to something, because the filth is coming out of the woodwork to talk crap. I have QUITE an interesting theory on what these fallen angels/aliens really are, PM me if you're curious. Anyone, btw. Except you blatantly obvious shills.

Sadly, they're not government shills. You know what I'm saying here. Man this year is going to be ugly.
 Quoting: ThreeWhiteEyes


ahh yes the classic debate, when someone disagrees with you, they are a shill, because it is impossible that you're i dunno wrong or something..., "Shill! You're insulting my 'evidence' (in this case, hearing voices) and refuse to join my preferred religious cult! That means you're a shill, and I really AM right! YES!"

it's like piling crazy on top of crazy
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I am one with God, we have conversations everyday every day. I don't believe in Satan though. If he did exist, then why give him that power? LOL

As for the lower cases and upper case thing, i use spell check so sue me.

If you really want to see God work, ask him to show you a miracle. He will provide you with a good show, if you know how to look.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7706801


Oh Satan/Lucifer/Destroyer/Devil,
all one in the same, he exists.
His role in this flesh age is to
convince as many as possible that he doesn't exist.
He wants as many souls with him as possible.
They all get to go into the Lake of Fire
with Him on Judgment Day.


Peace, Be Still...
Pray For The True peace Of Jerusalem :)

 Quoting: Jack Daphne



 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7706801


On another note, how is putting all my faith in God, stay true to him and not believing in such a thing as a Devil considered damning? Sounds like a screw job to me.

If he damns me to hell for being true to him, BUT not believing in Satan, he might need to rethink his process of elimination.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7706801




We are not to take away or add to the scriptures.

Denying that satan/devil/lucifer exists is
changing the scriptures.

Revelation 22:18-19

18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


That's what you do, you are entitled to it,
I'll stick to the scriptures.




Peace, Be Still...
Pray For The True peace Of Jerusalem :)

"Peace...Be Still...
The Chaff IS Separating
Itself From The Wheat.
By Their Own Hands Will
They Out Themselves.
Watch As THE Almighty
Hand Of God Moves
On Behalf Of His Children." June, 2015


Pray Non Ceasing For
Trump/Pence Families,
Trump Administration,
Patriot Warriors Worldwide!
For AMERICA! For ISRAEL!

Stay Happy...
Stay Focused...
Stay The Course...
The Storm Is Upon Us.

Wear The Full Armour Of God
Never Take It Off...Sleep In It.
Be Ready For Battle At ALL Times.
Do Not Get Comfortable...
The Enemy Never Sleeps
The Enemy IS Always Looking For One To Devour.

This IS A Physical AND Spiritual War!

Pray For The Peace Of Jerusalem.
___________

Animal Waves First Full Lp
Dropped. 10 Great Songs!
Find It Everywhere May 8, 2020




open.spotify.com/album/0yTIhHKac2456acyYS8Gky?si=y-9​e0OBdSJ276-MZklFC3w


"Animal Waves"
5 Song EP..."VOID"!


Written, Produced by Nathaniel Cox and Robert Davis
Maxwell Drummey - Bass, Keys
David Goodstein - Drums
Engineered - Sam Madill
Artwork by Briana Eason and Mike Soens
Stream wherever you like.
AW Debut LP coming in Spring.


Animal Waves..."Tell Me"
[link to youtu.be (secure)]
Animal Waves..."Love Is Cold"
[link to youtu.be (secure)]
Animal Waves..."Cold Turkey"
[link to youtu.be (secure)]
Animal Waves..."WTF"
[link to youtu.be (secure)]
[link to innocentwords.com]
"Animal Waves Performs
Mash-Up of Led Zeppelin & Tom Petty"
[link to youtu.be (secure)]
[link to newnoisemagazine.com (secure)]
"See You Again"
[link to vimeo.com (secure)]
"My Friend Sin"
[link to youtu.be (secure)]
Revelator by Josh Garrels: [link to youtu.be]

Find New Music
starsuncharted.com
The GLP Song
[link to soundcloud.com]

Music...The Universal Language.
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Wow, I get a load of red karma for not agreeing with a few christians and defending myself when I am told I am one of Satans Minions, Im going to burn in hell and I am a swine for not believing in Jesus. What a lovely caring bunch of hypocrites you are.
 Quoting: coyles


then i am safe now ... if they see what i posted , i would be dead ! blackeye
 Quoting: Chesterfield


LOL - I'm just a "brain washed zombie"
We become like that to which we are devoted. - Choose wisely.
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Wow, I get a load of red karma for not agreeing with a few christians and defending myself when I am told I am one of Satans Minions, Im going to burn in hell and I am a swine for not believing in Jesus. What a lovely caring bunch of hypocrites you are.
 Quoting: coyles


Are we Sent to Hell for All Eternity Simply for Not Believing in Jesus?

Is it fair that the Bible says people can get into heaven by simply believing in Jesus, when there might be some far better people around who might go to hell simply because they didn't believe in him?

This question derives from a misunderstanding. When Jesus said that anyone who believes in him will have eternal life, the implication of his word believe has been lost in many Bible translations; it actually had the connetation of not only believing, but also obeying. The jewish people would have understood that actions would automatically follow from true faith, and it wouldn't be true faith without them. (Though the true meaning of the word believe has been lost in many translations, the principle is spelled out in so many New Testament verses that it doesn't matter.)


From an article called Why Didn't God Stop the Process Before it Started, if He Knew of the Massive Amounts of Suffering That Would Befall Many of His Creatures?? by Glenn Miller:

"... 1. The first 'long-term judgment' verse in the Bible:

“And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. (Dan 12.2)

This is the first verse in the bible that refers to post-death, post-resurrection, long-term effects of this life, for those who actively reject God’s goodness. Notice that the 'quality of life' is described as 'disgrace' and 'contempt'--hardly mind-numbing torture terms!

If the hell-experience had been understood as the intense suffering commonly attributed to it, then this verse has focused on very minor aspects of that--to the point of being misleading perhaps.

2. The "weeping and gnashing of teeth" passages: ...

As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (matt 13.40)

Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. 48 When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. 49 This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous 50 and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matt 13.47) ...

But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (matt 24.48ff) ...

There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. 29 People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God. (Luke 13.28ff)

The discomfort described here is weeping/sorrow, NOT screaming/pain--contrary to most of the popular images of hell used for this question.

Notice that a few of these passages have the 'darkness' and 'fire' images, but the effects are cast in terms of sorrow ('weeping') and anguish/regret/anger ('gnashing of teeth', cf. Acts 7.54, Ps 37.12). Notice especially that in the Lucan passage the weeping occurs "when they see" their own exclusion--it is due to the separation issue, not some torture or pain. ...

Hell is thought by many to be eternal. But an examination of the original Greek words apparently sheds a new light on it, and according to some, it turns out that hell is a process of punishment meant to refine and correct faults, to bring people to feel sorrow for their past behaviour so they sincerely seek forgiveness and wish to change their ways, at which point, they can be allowed into heaven.

From an article called Is It All GREEK to You? by brad edwards:

"... While on the topic of "FIRE," let's consider another strong passage from Revelation.

REV 14:10"...he will be tormented with burning SULFUR in the PRESENCE of the holy angels and the Lamb"

In this verse we see the word "SULFUR" used for "tormenting" (punishing) those who follow the Beast. Also note that this is done in the PRESENCE of Jesus and not in some subterranean fire pit away from God. It is this PRESENSE of our holy God that causes their pain to be sure. So what is SULFUR? Well, in some Bibles it is translated "brimstone," but the Greek word here is "THEION" which can also be translated DIVINE as in something from God. Places that lightning touched were called "theia" and left a sulfurous smell. Also sulfur was used in purification ceremonies in that day by some outside of Judea. The real key here is that THEION is derived from THEOS which is GOD! Yes, THEOS is God in Greek and the word THEION comes directly from this Source. Consider this passage from Acts:

Act 17:29 "Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the DIVINE Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man."

The word translated here DIVINE is THEION which has been translated sulfur in other passages like in Revelation. The lake of Fire has a direct connection to the Divine because it comes from God. Not only is this a Divine Fire, but it is one that PURIFIES whatever it comes in contact with. Are we to suppose that our God and Father has no purpose in this Fire that torments those He created in His image and likeness? All that God does has purpose, we simply can't comprehend it yet. ...

The next word to look at is "AION" and its derivatives- "AIONION" and "AIONIOS." That ugly doctrine of "eternal" hell greatly depends on this word meaning forever. ...

There are many passages I could cite showing that AION or OLAM doesn't mean forever, but concerning an AGE or AGE-LASTING. The many derivatives of AION are relating to an age or of the ages. Aionios is rendered "age-lasting" in better translations. The corrective punishment God uses is only for as long as it takes to bring godly sorrow and repentance. Many literal translations of the Bible have corrected this mistake as to bring back loving harmony to God's word as you will read later in this study.

To reiterate, aion means an age- a limited period of time and NOT eternal, forever nor forever and ever. ...

The word for punishment here is "KOLASIS." The meaning is to punish, but for CORRECTIVE purposes and not out of vengeance. God is correcting those nations on His left with "aionion kolasis" which is translated this way in these Bibles:

"And these shall go away into age-abiding CORRECTION"
-Rotherham's Emphasized Bible ..."

From an article called Honor and Pain - A Refocus on the Atonement and Eternal Punishment from the Tektonics.org website:

"... The 'logic' of hell in the bible is surprisingly simple: You receive back the treatment/effects you gave other agents (including God and yourself) with some kind of multiplier effect. [The bible is full of images of this reciprocity concept: reaping what you sow, being paid back, suffering loss as you had despoiled others, unkindness for unkindness shown, apathy for apathy rendered, 'eye for an eye', proportional judgement, etc] This is suited as well to what we have said of honor debts and shame as a response. You dishonor God; you receive dishonor in return.

Appropriately your required response is to acknowledge your own need -- in effect, giving up your "honor" -- by admitting that you need God's help to pay the debt. ..."

Conclusion

All these quotes should indicate that God is not the mindlessly savage, egotistical maniac he is often portrayed as.

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Wow, I get a load of red karma for not agreeing with a few christians and defending myself when I am told I am one of Satans Minions, Im going to burn in hell and I am a swine for not believing in Jesus. What a lovely caring bunch of hypocrites you are.
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then i am safe now ... if they see what i posted , i would be dead ! blackeye
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LOL - I'm just a "brain washed zombie"
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you again !!!
o lol ... read the other thread ... :)))))
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‎"A day of ignorance and concealment, a day of practiced magic and the lowering of high things, as the dawn spreads out upon the mountains, a huge abundant congregated mighty people come into existence that has never been before and shall never be after… and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded." Joel 2:1, 2, 8
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where?
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The Book Of Joel...

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Wow, I get a load of red karma for not agreeing with a few christians and defending myself when I am told I am one of Satans Minions, Im going to burn in hell and I am a swine for not believing in Jesus. What a lovely caring bunch of hypocrites you are.
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then i am safe now ... if they see what i posted , i would be dead ! blackeye
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LOL - I'm just a "brain washed zombie"
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you again !!!
o lol ... read the other thread ... :)))))
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Yep - saw it! hf
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