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Is Jesus Lucifer? -- The Truth!!!

 
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Jesus Christ is not the same as Lucifer. For more information about Jesus Christ see [link to www.chick.com]
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The anti-Christ has already been and gone!


The anti-Christ was in the world at the time of Jesus.


1 John.4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


By the bibles own definition, Jesus admits to being the false prophet and the anit-Christ.


Matthew 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

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The anti-Christ has already been and gone!


The anti-Christ was in the world at the time of Jesus.


1 John.4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


By the bibles own definition, Jesus admits to being the false prophet and the anit-Christ.


Matthew 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

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 Quoting: Lamplite


Hush fool. You can stain his thread with ignorant dribble, but you BAN HIM FROM YOURS? TRASHCAN!
Some things are better left unsaid.
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Hey electric. Check my new thread. Might want to hurry, if you can.
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The anti-Christ has already been and gone!


The anti-Christ was in the world at the time of Jesus.


1 John.4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


By the bibles own definition, Jesus admits to being the false prophet and the anit-Christ.


Matthew 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

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 Quoting: Lamplite


Piss stains in the snow. Crampsight, you fail.
Some things are better left unsaid.
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The thing about Jesus is that his message has been lost.

His message was always that we are ALL the children of god. That's what got him in hot water with the Jewish church.

So it's an easy thing to warp that message in public in front of the mob and say "So we all gods children, does that make you the son of GOD?" response "Yes." Oh look he's saying he's the Son of GOD. What do YOU think we should do with him?" The mob responds... "Crucify him."

And thus the Jewish leadership shot themselves in the foot.
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Lamp light is anti christ, no doubt. That aside jesus said he came only for the lost sheep of israel.
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The thing about Jesus is that his message has been lost.

His message was always that we are ALL the children of god. That's what got him in hot water with the Jewish church.

So it's an easy thing to warp that message in public in front of the mob and say "So we all gods children, does that make you the son of GOD?" response "Yes." Oh look he's saying he's the Son of GOD. What do YOU think we should do with him?" The mob responds... "Crucify him."

And thus the Jewish leadership shot themselves in the foot.
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Lamp light is anti christ, no doubt. That aside jesus said he came only for the lost sheep of israel.
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Well, He was using metaphor. God's elect isn't limited to jewish people. Paul explans this in Acts.
Some things are better left unsaid.
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Lamp light is anti christ, no doubt.

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Do you realize how retarded that sounds?

Course not your too brainwashed.
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What is Christianity without the Lord Jesus Christ? Just make it up as you go along. If you don't believe that the Lord Jesus Christ came to fulfill all that was written - go on with yourself - it has no bearing on the Truth - which you are not a part of - bringing in your new age christ?
It works for you, but not for the called, chosen and elected. They are not moved from where they were called.


Truth has an impact. It is not a place where someone chooses to move. It is a place where a person is called and cannot return from - many people, about 50,ooo and many more since the twentieth century have died for. Not because they are really smart, but because they are compelled.


Who can resist so great a caling?

Jesus wins while everyone tries to figure out a way to make themselves eternal withouth the God of Life and death.

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Jesus was originally more of a Budhist then a modern Christian. The Bible was changed and enough was taken out and added to distort the truth and keep people enslaved! Think about it, Jesus hated the Money Changers and want to FREE THE SLAVES!!! SEEK THE TRUTH!
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Muppet.

Buddhists are Reformed Hindus and Hindus are what? Satanists.
You fail so much it's not even funny.
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bump
Sweden said it
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Yes, lamplight is misinterpreting the sayings of Jesus.

Jesus was not Lucifer.
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Jesus was not Satan. Jesus was not "Lucifer" in how people have come to "know" the name Lucifer.

"Lucifer" was a latin word people used for the planet Venus. That's all. End of story.

But yeah, I feel what you were sayin'. :-) :-)

Peace.
 Quoting: Mr_Electric


I do think that some of what people are saying about Jesus being Lucifer has merit...but I attribute that to the embellishments of the Gospel writers who borrowed from older stories.

At one time, I did agree with the outlook.

But studying this for almost 20 years, I have come to the conclusion that the quotes are parables of Jesus are authentic and unique.

What Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I Am", that is a very unique statement and would only be announced by someone of the highest wisdom...a fully realized being.

Not only the Biblical Gospels but the Gospel of Thomas as well. True wisdom in the highest sense.

The sayings of Jesus have more in common with Buddhism and Vedanta than they do Astrology and Cabalism.

If you understand the meaning of statements such as, "The dual-minded person is unstable in every way", you can come to know Jesus and his wisdom IMO.

Not Venus, Saturn, or Lucifer but, rather, an enlightened being of the highest nature.
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The anti-Christ has already been and gone!


The anti-Christ was in the world at the time of Jesus.


1 John.4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


By the bibles own definition, Jesus admits to being the false prophet and the anit-Christ.


Matthew 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

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 Quoting: Lamplite


Hush fool. You can stain his thread with ignorant dribble, but you BAN HIM FROM YOURS? TRASHCAN!
 Quoting: ThreeWhiteEyes


Exactly my point. Besides, it is evident that there are some who are posting on this thread that are the "very elect". I truly appreciate the defense of Truth that has been displayed by those who are of the faith in Christ Jesus.

I had a seriously busy weekend and just could not get back to posting. It seems I didn't need to as it was in good hands! :-)

Lamplite, you need to allow opposing views on your threads. It's just not good forum etiquette. It displays to many that you are afraid that "your truth" is not strong enough to stand in the winds of counter argument.

Proverbs states:
Pro 18:17 The first to present his case seems right, till another comes forward and questions him.

But if the one who owns the thread bans those questioning him/her... then it seems like that person is really trying to avoid the consequences of the above Proverb.

Peace.
[The time of Christ's return is drawing near. Repent of your sins and be reconciled to God the Father through the precious blood of Jesus Christ. The days of salvation are still here. Cry out to God and believe on Jesus while there is still time.]
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For those that have "eyes to see" and "ears to hear"... Hear what the Holy Spirit is teaching here....
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Jesus the Way to the Father

5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?”
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know ****me****, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. 12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

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Isn't this just SOOOOO clear??? I don't even have to elaborate on it. Jesus was plainly saying that "His body" was a tabernacle/tent for the Holy Spirit/Father which dwelt in Him and gave Him life. People get so confused over the "body" which we call "Jesus Christ".

Hear O' Israel, the Lord our God is ONE.

Read this succession of verses I have laid out and your eyes will be opened to the TRUTH!!

Isa 44:6 "This is what the LORD says--Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

8 Do not tremble, do not be afraid.
Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago?
You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me?
No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.”

1 Corinthians 10
1 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

Act 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."
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If there is NO OTHER ROCK and the GOD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT has spoken that WE ARE HIS WITNESSES and Christ is THAT ROCK AND WE ARE HIS WITNESSES... DO the MATH!

Either Christ was blaspheming or He was telling the TRUTH! The Pharisees attributed His statements to blasphemy and crucified Him. This is the mark of the beast as there is only one sin that men cannot be forgiven of...

Blaspheming the Holy Spirit and saying that the power of God through Christ was actually of the Devil.

There is only one other thing that men cannot be forgiven of and that is taking the Mark of the Beast. They really ARE one and the same, I believe.

Satan is now working overtime to bring people to the point of blaspheming the Holy Spirit where people will confess that Jesus was Satan in disguise.

Once confessed, there is no turning back. Those who have the mark will be much like Lamplite and will spew blasphemies and hate towards Christians as this is the sign of their demonic alliance with Satan.

We who believe confess with our mouths that JESUS IS GOD AND LORD OF ALL.

Stay strong brothers and sisters, as the whirlwind is gonna get exceedingly strong and the spin will offend many and many shall turn away from the faith.

This whole thing with Jesus and Satan is just starting to blossom and I'm fighting it as much as I can to pull some people from the fire before the delusion gets too strong.

Peace.
[The time of Christ's return is drawing near. Repent of your sins and be reconciled to God the Father through the precious blood of Jesus Christ. The days of salvation are still here. Cry out to God and believe on Jesus while there is still time.]
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The apostle Peter was very bold in his writings;

"... Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. .." - 1 Peter 2:7-8

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God Bless.

peace,
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The apostle Peter was very bold in his writings;

"... Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. .." - 1 Peter 2:7-8

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God Bless.

peace,
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You got it! A stumbling stone.... and the wording sounds a bit like the "capstone" to a pyramid and the pyramid is a symbol of those who have delved into the occult and myths the likes of which Zeitgeist touts.

So to me, it's a hint that those who stumble over the stone which the "freemason builders" rejected, will be the crowd that is looking for truth in all the wrong places and have since damaged all receptors in their mind and conscience that could lead them to truth through faith.

These conspiracies have totally disillusioned the masses to where they now think God, Christ and the Bible are a conspiracy as well.

And to think the majority of it really took off with one line in the Matrix...

"Follow the White Rabbit".

Well, now you guys are in wonderland and are so lost you can't find your way back out. Never follow the white rabbit down into the rabbit hole. It's a trap that leads to massive disillusionment and massive loss of any way to have faith in anything. It DESTROYS ALL MEANS OF TRUST.

Peace.
[The time of Christ's return is drawing near. Repent of your sins and be reconciled to God the Father through the precious blood of Jesus Christ. The days of salvation are still here. Cry out to God and believe on Jesus while there is still time.]
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And isn't it curious that the "WHITE RABBIT" (Peter Cottontail) was the very thing that was used to replace the Resurrection with Easter???

So to me, the WHITE RABBIT is the COUNTERFEIT and ENEMY of CHRIST and the RESURRECTION. It's a symbol of going in the wrong direction and the symbol of the lie.

Peace.
[The time of Christ's return is drawing near. Repent of your sins and be reconciled to God the Father through the precious blood of Jesus Christ. The days of salvation are still here. Cry out to God and believe on Jesus while there is still time.]
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And isn't it curious that the "WHITE RABBIT" (Peter Cottontail) was the very thing that was used to replace the Resurrection with Easter???

So to me, the WHITE RABBIT is the COUNTERFEIT and ENEMY of CHRIST and the RESURRECTION. It's a symbol of going in the wrong direction and the symbol of the lie.

Peace.
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ok now rabbits are evil?

please it's a symbol like everything, if you want to escape a labyrinth full of mirrors, look at the the walls and found a way to destroy them, destroy the illusion surrounding you.

no more walls = full view of everything around you and freedom.

sitting in your ass waiting for someone to save you is slow suicide, save yourself and maybe you will find the meaning of the symbolic real savior.
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And isn't it curious that the "WHITE RABBIT" (Peter Cottontail) was the very thing that was used to replace the Resurrection with Easter???

So to me, the WHITE RABBIT is the COUNTERFEIT and ENEMY of CHRIST and the RESURRECTION. It's a symbol of going in the wrong direction and the symbol of the lie.

Peace.
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ok now rabbits are evil?

please it's a symbol like everything, if you want to escape a labyrinth full of mirrors, look at the the walls and found a way to destroy them, destroy the illusion surrounding you.

no more walls = full view of everything around you and freedom.

sitting in your ass waiting for someone to save you is slow suicide, save yourself and maybe you will find the meaning of the symbolic real savior.
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You missed my point. I'm not saying rabbits in the real world are evil. They're very cute actually! Owls are very cool too... but we're talking how the occult uses symbols. That's all.

I didn't corrupt all these furry cute animals by applying their image to occult symbolism. I'm just trying to explain what is behind the symbols at times so people can steer clear of the paths that lead them down a path that leads them into utter darkness.

That was my point.

In effect, I AM SMASHING the walls of illusion around people... the illusions that others create through tagging normal things with corrupt meanings in people's minds.

Peace.
[The time of Christ's return is drawing near. Repent of your sins and be reconciled to God the Father through the precious blood of Jesus Christ. The days of salvation are still here. Cry out to God and believe on Jesus while there is still time.]
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And isn't it curious that the "WHITE RABBIT" (Peter Cottontail) was the very thing that was used to replace the Resurrection with Easter???

So to me, the WHITE RABBIT is the COUNTERFEIT and ENEMY of CHRIST and the RESURRECTION. It's a symbol of going in the wrong direction and the symbol of the lie.

Peace.
 Quoting: Mr_Electric


ok now rabbits are evil?

please it's a symbol like everything, if you want to escape a labyrinth full of mirrors, look at the the walls and found a way to destroy them, destroy the illusion surrounding you.

no more walls = full view of everything around you and freedom.

sitting in your ass waiting for someone to save you is slow suicide, save yourself and maybe you will find the meaning of the symbolic real savior.
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You missed my point. I'm not saying rabbits in the real world are evil. They're very cute actually! Owls are very cool too... but we're talking how the occult uses symbols. That's all.

I didn't corrupt all these furry cute animals by applying their image to occult symbolism. I'm just trying to explain what is behind the symbols at times so people can steer clear of the paths that lead them down a path that leads them into utter darkness.

That was my point.

In effect, I AM SMASHING the walls of illusion around people... the illusions that others create through tagging normal things with corrupt meanings in people's minds.

Peace.
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ok cool because animals are not responsible for the human insanity lol!

to wait for a savior is part of the illusion system, meanwhile the ones whom built the illusion are building more huge walls to be sure you cannot escape of the labyrinth.

take a mental hammer and go on like a mad dwarf, each wall must fall, the universe knows no walls.
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So Lamplite posted this on the thread where I am not allowed to post......

She said she deleted one of my posts... LOL... Nope, SHE BANNED ME FROM POSTING ON ANY OF HER THREADS. That's quite a bit different...

Thread: Bible Secrets ... what the symbolism means (Page 5)

Let the truth be known. I would have posted on her thread but she would not let me so I was forced to start my own. It's okay, God works all things out for good and it turned out that it was better I started this thread anyway as hers was all stained up with a bunch of mythical crap and blasphemies.

I rest in the knowledge that on the DAY all will be known and the TRUTH will be shown.

Jesus Christ is LORD of ALL and there is NO other name under heaven whereby men must be saved.

Amen.

Peace.
[The time of Christ's return is drawing near. Repent of your sins and be reconciled to God the Father through the precious blood of Jesus Christ. The days of salvation are still here. Cry out to God and believe on Jesus while there is still time.]
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So Lamplite posted this on the thread where I am not allowed to post......

She said she deleted one of my posts... LOL... Nope, SHE BANNED ME FROM POSTING ON ANY OF HER THREADS. That's quite a bit different...

Thread: Bible Secrets ... what the symbolism means (Page 5)

Let the truth be known. I would have posted on her thread but she would not let me so I was forced to start my own. It's okay, God works all things out for good and it turned out that it was better I started this thread anyway as hers was all stained up with a bunch of mythical crap and blasphemies.

I rest in the knowledge that on the DAY all will be known and the TRUTH will be shown.

Jesus Christ is LORD of ALL and there is NO other name under heaven whereby men must be saved.

Amen.

Peace.
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AMEN!!!

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I stumbled upon this thread trying to locate an old online book called 'Beware of God' I believe written in the 80's/90's. No joy. It suggested Lucifer as our saviour from a Tyrant God. makes sense to me.

Although IMO the Stories in Bible/Jesus/God can be traced back to previous versions in Paganism and Ancient cultures. Similar names, players, outcomes to the allegory of the Bible. The Great Flood/ A God/Deity that dies and rises from the dead in three days. All repeated (No coincidence) there is a CORE truth to these stories, yet IMO the original stories are from ancient cultures, that have been rewritten through history top suite the religious powers of the day. For me the original stories document major natural upheavals via the Spheres, and due to the superstitious nature of Man and his inherent imagination from that time, faced with these unprecedented events such as Eclipses/Asteroids/Comets/Alignments/Pole Shifts etc etc that impacted violently on their survival, those cultures gave personality to these Astronomical/Earth change events without the science we know today to explain them.

There is such a major clue with Lucifer/Venus which is about to transit across the Sun and herald a rough ride for Mankind if one follows the history of such an Astronomical event. Again the affect of planets on mankind is science not myth. The moon affects the tides. Your blood is fluid. Emergency wards are busier during a Full Moon. (Clues). The planets are messengers and markers for CHANGE. The Occultists know this and use it for Good and Bad intentions.

If you read the Revelations as a creative description of procession of planets, Comets, Asteroids, and resulting Volcanic activity/ Earthquakes/Floods it reads like a map to me and makes the most sense. ;-) Google is your best friend. Followed by Discernment.
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I stumbled upon this thread trying to locate an old online book called 'Beware of God' I believe written in the 80's/90's. No joy. It suggested Lucifer as our saviour from a Tyrant God. makes sense to me.

Although IMO the Stories in Bible/Jesus/God can be traced back to previous versions in Paganism and Ancient cultures. Similar names, players, outcomes to the allegory of the Bible. The Great Flood/ A God/Deity that dies and rises from the dead in three days. All repeated (No coincidence) there is a CORE truth to these stories, yet IMO the original stories are from ancient cultures, that have been rewritten through history top suite the religious powers of the day. For me the original stories document major natural upheavals via the Spheres, and due to the superstitious nature of Man and his inherent imagination from that time, faced with these unprecedented events such as Eclipses/Asteroids/Comets/Alignments/Pole Shifts etc etc that impacted violently on their survival, those cultures gave personality to these Astronomical/Earth change events without the science we know today to explain them.

There is such a major clue with Lucifer/Venus which is about to transit across the Sun and herald a rough ride for Mankind if one follows the history of such an Astronomical event. Again the affect of planets on mankind is science not myth. The moon affects the tides. Your blood is fluid. Emergency wards are busier during a Full Moon. (Clues). The planets are messengers and markers for CHANGE. The Occultists know this and use it for Good and Bad intentions.

If you read the Revelations as a creative description of procession of planets, Comets, Asteroids, and resulting Volcanic activity/ Earthquakes/Floods it reads like a map to me and makes the most sense. ;-) Google is your best friend. Followed by Discernment.
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I don't think you got the point of my thread. The point was that Lucifer refers to Venus and Isaiah 14 is a mistranslation.

Jesus is NOT Satan, but the mistranslation will lead many to believe this is true. IT IS NOT!

It was a setup and Jesus IS the Son of God. It's just that the name Lucifer was applied to the bright morning star and Satan is said to be referred to in Isaiah 14.

It's all mixed up.

What you say sounds like what Zeitgeist is all about and I am NOT in agreement with Zeitgeist. Satan KNEW Jesus was coming and fomented all kinds of false SUN GODS before Christ came to confuse people. IT was a planned deception from the beginning.

JESUS CHRIST (YESHUA) IS GOD COME IN THE FLESH, HOUSED IN A HUMAN BODY TO DWELL AMONG US.

He who denies the Son denies the Father.

Please understand that I am NOT saying Satan masqueraded as Jesus. I am saying that Christ is God and Satan is the devil.

It's a mix up with the name "Lucifer" and this will lead to confusion. Please read what I have posted VERY carefully.

God bless!
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"one of the most popular misconceptions among Bible believers is that Satan also is designated as “Lucifer” within the pages of the Bible. What is the origin of the name Lucifer, what is its meaning, and is it a synonym for “Satan”? Here are the facts.

The word “Lucifer” is used in the King James Version only once, in Isaiah 14:12: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” The Hebrew word translated “Lucifer” is helel (or heylel), from the root, hâlâl, meaning “to shine” or “to bear light.” Keil and Delitzsch noted that “it derives its name in other ancient languages also from its striking brilliancy, and is here called ben-shachar (son of the dawn)... (1982, 7:311). However, the KJV translators did not translate helel as Lucifer because of something inherent in the Hebrew term itself. Instead, they borrowed the name from Jerome’s translation of the Bible (A.D. 383-405) known as the Latin Vulgate. Jerome, likely believing that the term was describing the planet Venus, employed the Latin term “Lucifer” (“light-bearing”) to designate “the morning star” (Venus). Only later did the suggestion originate that Isaiah 14:12ff. was speaking of the devil. Eventually, the name Lucifer came to be synonymous with Satan. But is Satan “Lucifer”?

No, he is not. The context into which verse 12 fits begins in verse 4 where God told Isaiah to “take up this parable against the king of Babylon,"




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"In Isaiah 14 the prophet is taunting the king of Babylon: "In the figurative language of the Hebrews, . . . a star, signifies an illustrious king or prince . . . The monarch here referred to, having surpassed all other kings in royal splendour, is compared to the harbinger of day, whose brilliancy surpasses that of the surrounding stars" (A Cyclopedia of Biblical Literature, John Kitto ed., 3rd ed., J. B. Lippincott and Co, Philadelphia, 1866, 2:857-8). There are those who claim that the real entity addressed in this passage is Satan, but there is no evidence for this. On the contrary, Isaiah (14:16) says: "Is this the man who made the earth tremble, . . . ?" and (14:18) "All the kings of the nations lie in glory, each in his own tomb; but you are cast out . . ." These seem clear references to a man, the king of a nation, not an archangel."




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"There is no Biblical authority to claim that Lucifer and Satan are names for the same being.

In Revelation, Jesus referred to himself as the bright and morning star (Rev 22:16). In 1263 Pope Clement V commissioned the Franciscan monk, Roger Bacon, to investigate apparent problems arising from this translation. Bacon discovered papers by Jerome where, on his deathbed, the latter recanted the Latin Vulgate translation due to errors caused by haste. Jerome particularly singled out the Isaian translations. Bacon’s report that "Lucifer" was the Messiah and not the devil earned him incarceration until he recanted."




Below is an excerpt from Timaeus, written by Plato in 360 BC:

[link to classics.mit.edu]
"The sun and moon and five other stars, which are called the planets, were created by him in order to distinguish and preserve the numbers of time; and when he had made their several bodies, he placed them in the orbits in which the circle of the other was revolving — in seven orbits seven stars. First, there was the moon in the orbit nearest the earth, and next the sun, in the second orbit above the earth; then came the morning star and the star sacred to Hermes, moving in orbits which have an equal swiftness with the sun, but in an opposite direction; and this is the reason why the sun and Hermes and Lucifer overtake and are overtaken by each other."

Plato clearly here is speaking of Lucifer as being the actual planet Venus, with Hermes as being the planet Mercury.

the word "Lucifer" has absolutely NOTHING to do with Satan at ALL.

There's only ONE place in scripture where the word Lucifer is used and that is in Isaiah 14. It was talking about the planet Venus, the bright morning star.

It was mistranslated because of some LXX translation problems and influence. St. Jerome made the connection thinking that this was a reference to a fall of Satan. It wasn't.
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"one of the most popular misconceptions among Bible believers is that Satan also is designated as “Lucifer” within the pages of the Bible. What is the origin of the name Lucifer, what is its meaning, and is it a synonym for “Satan”? Here are the facts.

The word “Lucifer” is used in the King James Version only once, in Isaiah 14:12: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” The Hebrew word translated “Lucifer” is helel (or heylel), from the root, hâlâl, meaning “to shine” or “to bear light.” Keil and Delitzsch noted that “it derives its name in other ancient languages also from its striking brilliancy, and is here called ben-shachar (son of the dawn)... (1982, 7:311). However, the KJV translators did not translate helel as Lucifer because of something inherent in the Hebrew term itself. Instead, they borrowed the name from Jerome’s translation of the Bible (A.D. 383-405) known as the Latin Vulgate. Jerome, likely believing that the term was describing the planet Venus, employed the Latin term “Lucifer” (“light-bearing”) to designate “the morning star” (Venus). Only later did the suggestion originate that Isaiah 14:12ff. was speaking of the devil. Eventually, the name Lucifer came to be synonymous with Satan. But is Satan “Lucifer”?

No, he is not. The context into which verse 12 fits begins in verse 4 where God told Isaiah to “take up this parable against the king of Babylon,"




[link to www.theosophy-nw.org]
"In Isaiah 14 the prophet is taunting the king of Babylon: "In the figurative language of the Hebrews, . . . a star, signifies an illustrious king or prince . . . The monarch here referred to, having surpassed all other kings in royal splendour, is compared to the harbinger of day, whose brilliancy surpasses that of the surrounding stars" (A Cyclopedia of Biblical Literature, John Kitto ed., 3rd ed., J. B. Lippincott and Co, Philadelphia, 1866, 2:857-8). There are those who claim that the real entity addressed in this passage is Satan, but there is no evidence for this. On the contrary, Isaiah (14:16) says: "Is this the man who made the earth tremble, . . . ?" and (14:18) "All the kings of the nations lie in glory, each in his own tomb; but you are cast out . . ." These seem clear references to a man, the king of a nation, not an archangel."




[link to freemasonry.bcy.ca]
"There is no Biblical authority to claim that Lucifer and Satan are names for the same being.

In Revelation, Jesus referred to himself as the bright and morning star (Rev 22:16). In 1263 Pope Clement V commissioned the Franciscan monk, Roger Bacon, to investigate apparent problems arising from this translation. Bacon discovered papers by Jerome where, on his deathbed, the latter recanted the Latin Vulgate translation due to errors caused by haste. Jerome particularly singled out the Isaian translations. Bacon’s report that "Lucifer" was the Messiah and not the devil earned him incarceration until he recanted."




Below is an excerpt from Timaeus, written by Plato in 360 BC:

[link to classics.mit.edu]
"The sun and moon and five other stars, which are called the planets, were created by him in order to distinguish and preserve the numbers of time; and when he had made their several bodies, he placed them in the orbits in which the circle of the other was revolving — in seven orbits seven stars. First, there was the moon in the orbit nearest the earth, and next the sun, in the second orbit above the earth; then came the morning star and the star sacred to Hermes, moving in orbits which have an equal swiftness with the sun, but in an opposite direction; and this is the reason why the sun and Hermes and Lucifer overtake and are overtaken by each other."

Plato clearly here is speaking of Lucifer as being the actual planet Venus, with Hermes as being the planet Mercury.

the word "Lucifer" has absolutely NOTHING to do with Satan at ALL.

There's only ONE place in scripture where the word Lucifer is used and that is in Isaiah 14. It was talking about the planet Venus, the bright morning star.

It was mistranslated because of some LXX translation problems and influence. St. Jerome made the connection thinking that this was a reference to a fall of Satan. It wasn't.
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Thanks AC, this is a GOOD addition to this thread. I'm not sure many understand why this misunderstanding is even of importance, but I feel it may play into the end times since many are keen to say that Satan and Jesus are one and the same... OR that Jesus (as Lamplite puts forth) is the evil one pulling people away from the Father.

This simply is not true! People need to understand the names and LUCIFER is a big one as it could lead to a whole bunch of misunderstanding in the last days. It all depends on what the last days deception will be and how it will play out.

Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Satan did NOT masquerade as Jesus in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. Jesus Christ is GOD MANIFEST in the FLESH and SATAN is the adversary who tries to deceive in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

Know the difference!

This mistranslation could turn out to be a huge thing in the end and I feel it is important to know why the name Lucifer is not applied to Satan.

I also feel it is important to know that when Jesus said He is the "bright morning star" (which is an allusion to Venus)... that it has NOTHING to do with Satan as the name "Lucifer/Venus" has nothing to do with Satan.

Satan is the devil, the dragon, the serpent.. he is NOT LUCIFER.

Christ is not LUCIFER either. Lucifer is ONLY a name that was applied to the planet Venus.

I'm hoping that people understand this, but maybe the name Lucifer has been imprinted in peoples mind SO deeply as being Satan, that it's too late.

Who knows?

Only God. But file this in your mind as it may be very important in the days to come....

Peace.
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Jesus's PREEXISTENCE
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•God is love, turn to Him otherwise you will perish …
Repent AND be Baptized OR YOU WILL PERISH
•Have you received the Holy Spirit?
Have you received the Holy Spirit?
•Have you?
Have you Received the Comforter, The Holy Spirit?
•Satan’s Lie: Bible is the Word of God
Satan's Lie: Bible is the Word of God
•The word of God is Spirit not Scriptures
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•Why the Bible IS NOT the Word of God
Why the Bible IS NOT the Word of God
•JESUS is the Word of God NOT the Bible || 100% Proof From Scripture
JESUS is the Word of God NOT the Bible || 100% Proof From Scripture

Exposing BOGUS “proof-texts” that ''Jesus isn’t GOD''.
Exposing BOGUS "proof-texts" that Jesus isn't God

Sodom & Gomorrah (were destroyed by The Lord)
Sodom & Gomorrah Documentary. TRUE STORY.

Jesus Christ
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Jesus Is The Father, Son and Holy Spirit?

Jesus Is The Father, Son and Holy Spirit?

100% PROOF: JESUS CHRIST IS GOD
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Why are both Jesus and Satan referred to as the morning star?
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Jesus Christ IS the TRUE lucifer (morning star, light bringer)
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JESUS IS COMING! ARE YOU READY?
JESUS is COMING for THOSE who KNOW HIM, LOVE HIM and OBEY HIM.
ONLY Jesus Christ can give you ETERNAL LIFE, nobody else.
Jesus Christ gives the HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE to those who BELIEVE in Him and OBEY Him.
IT IS ALL ABOUT JESUS. If YOU do not know Jesus and He does not KNOW and approve of you, you are doomed.
PREPARE TO MEET JESUS the RIGHTEOUS JUDGE!
HOW TO KNOW JESUS?
Go on your knees, HUMBLE YOURSELF, CRY OUT to Jesus. PLEAD FOR FORGIVENESS of your past sins and ASK Jesus to come into your heart. REPENT, turn away from all sin. CRY OUT UNTIL you KNOW that Jesus has forgiven you and accepted you, UNTIL He gives you PEACE and JOY.
[If you are not serious about turning away from sin, being Holy and OBEYING Jesus, being pleasing to Him then this is not for you.]
HOW TO KNOW THAT YOU HAVE GOT THROUGH TO JESUS?
You will immediately have the assurance and confirmation in your heart. You will be changed inside, will feel NEW, WASHED, CLEAN. You will have PEACE and JOY like never before in your life. You will know Jesus is IN YOU and Jesus is ALIVE.
WHAT NEXT?
Firm up your RELATIONSHIP with Jesus. Clean up your life. Get rid of all sin. Pray and Jesus will show you in your heart, what to stop doing. Read the words of Jesus in the gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and DO them, OBEY.
BE BAPTIZED IN WATER FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS AS JESUS COMMANDED: ‘He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. “HE WHO HAS BELIEVED AND HAS BEEN BAPTIZED SHALL BE SAVED; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.”’ Mark 16:15,16. [Any true follower of Jesus can baptize you in water – you don’t need to go to a church.]
SEEK THE BAPTISM IN THE HOLY SPIRIT that Jesus promised to those who love Him.
IT IS ALL ABOUT JESUS and YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM, KNOWING HIM, BEING PLEASING TO HIM.
SEEK JESUS – KNOW HIM, FOLLOW HIM,
BE PURE, BE HOLY, BE READY!
SIN NO MORE.
WARNINGS:
DON’T look to people for answers. Pray, Jesus will answer you.
DON”T go to church, go to Jesus.
DON’T follow people or “Christians” Do not make take people for role models. Pray, seek Jesus, He will show you.
NEVER stop following Jesus. What ever happens ALWAYS GO BACK TO JESUS. NEVER GIVE UP UNTIL THE END.
[Jesus]
Heb 2:9
2:9 {6} But we {l} see Jesus, who was made a little {m} lower than the angels {7} for the {n} suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should {o} taste death for {8} every man.
(6) The answer: this is already fulfilled in Jesus Christ our head, who was temporarily for our sakes inferior to the angels, being made man: but now is advanced into most high glory.
(l) By his virtue and power which appears revealed in the Church.
(m) Who abased Himself for a time, and took the position of a servant.
(7) He shows the cause of this subjection, that is, to taste death for our sakes, that in so doing the part of a redeemer, He might not only be our Prophet and King, but also our High Priest.
(n) That he might die.
(o) Feel death.
(8) In this exists the force of the argument: for we could not eventually be glorified with him, unless he was abased for us, even for all the elect. By this event the apostle comes to the other part of the declaration of Christ’s person, in which He proved him to be God and also man.
It is written about Jesus by the Prophet Isaiah: ”Unto us a SON is given, a Child is born and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”
||Jesus is most certainly the Living God!||
”For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are One.”
—1 John 5:7
”I and the Father are One.”
— John 10:30
"Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
— John 8:58
8 But of the Son He says,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
— Hebrews 1:8
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon ME whom they have (pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn.
— Zechariah 12:10
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of GOD, thought it not robbery to be equal with GOD:
7 But made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
— Philippians 2:5-11 (Letters From Prison)
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
— Revelation 19:16
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Let us examine the Scripture on important issues of eternal consequence.
A. Jesus Christ is The Way The Truth and The Life
John 14:6
“Jesus said unto him, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no man cometh unto the Father, But by Me.”
Acts 4:12
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven giving among men, whereby we must be saved."
1 John 5:11-13
11 “And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe in the name of the Son of God.”
The Bible reveals clearly that the Godhead is made up of three separate Persons, each distinct from the other. The first is called God the Father, the second is God the Son and the third is God the Holy Spirit. These three separate Persons make up the one God that we serve. Each one of these three Persons is God in all fullness. No one is greater than the others. The three Persons are united in one and there can be no separation. Each one of these three is the Creator, the Lord, and the eternal God. Yet we do not have three Creators, Lords, or eternal Gods, but One. The Scripture says:
"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear O Israel; The Lord our God is One Lord."Mark 12:29
God the Son came to the world in human form. His name was called Jesus Christ. He came to save mankind from sin and to restore man to eternal life with God.
John 1:1-3, 10, 14
1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew him not.
14 And the Word (Jesus) was made flesh and dwelled among us (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father), full of grace and truth.”
Matthew 1:21-23
21 “And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
Your eyes now have opened clearly to the One that suffered because of your sins, the One that was crucified on the cross, that died, was buried and rose from death on the third day; the One that gave the commission that the gospel be preached in all the world to make people believe on Him for the forgiveness of their sins and the salvation of their souls; the One that went back to heaven and promised that He would be coming back to the world to take His true believers to be with Him and to condemn rebellious sinners to everlasting hell fire, prepared for Satan and his angels. Your eyes have opened clearly to who JESUS is — our Lord and our God.
John 20: 27-29
27 “Then said He to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold My hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into My side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto Him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus said unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen Me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.”
There is no Salvation in any Other Religion or Belief
All those who seek the salvation of their souls through other religions or persons (saints, prophets, masters, etc.) can never find true salvation and can never enter into heaven.
John 10:8-11
To reject Jesus is to reject the God of your life. To reject Jesus means you have chosen to go to hell and be damned forever along with Satan and his subjects.
Special Adoration or Worship of Any Saint is Idolatry
There are those who exalt, adore and worship Mary the earthly mother of Jesus. They pray to her or through her. They also adore some dead saints and pray to them or through them. The Bible has this to say of such people:
Romans 1:20-22,
"Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and He will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon."
Psalm 51:1, 2
1 “Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy loving-kindness: according unto the multitudes of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions
2 Wash me thoroughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.”
Thirdly, Jesus Christ is the Saviour from sin. You cannot stop sinning by your power without Him. Welcome Him into your life to give you the power to overcome sin. When Jesus comes into your life He will save you from sin and give you the power of righteousness. Apart from Him there is no other one and no other way.
Acts 16:30, 31
30 “And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
2 Corinthians 5:17
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
When you give your life to Jesus Christ your sins are forgiven and you have a new life from God. Your name enters into the book of life in heaven. Surely, you will not want to start committing new sins and to get your name removed from the book of life. You must determine to continue in Christ by living a righteous life every day to the end of your life on earth. The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth, obey Him. Do not be afraid of man and be not ashamed of following Jesus. Dissociate from evil friends, relationships and associations.
1 John 3:9, 10
9 “Whosoever is born of God doth no commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.”
Colossians 2:6-8
6 “As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in Him.
7 Rooted and built up in Him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”
Water Baptism
Having given your life to Jesus Christ, you will need to submit yourself to water baptism. Water baptism follows repentance and faith on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 8:35-39
35 “Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.”
The scriptural water baptism is one immersion into water in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
Matthew 28:19
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
Water baptism is not for ignorant and unconverted children, nor for unrepentant adult. Those who were baptized when they were still sinners need to be baptized when they truly repent and give their lives to Jesus Christ. The apostles practiced water baptism according to the instruction given to them by the Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 2:38
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ as seen in the above passage and in other passages in Acts of the Apostles means baptism as instructed or authorised by Jesus Christ.
Baptism With the Holy Ghost
Baptism with the Holy Ghost or the gift of the Holy Ghost is the coming of the Holy Spirit upon a believer in baptismal measure for the purpose of filling him with power for effective Christian service. All believers are promised the baptism with the Holy Spirit by God. This is received by prayer and faith on God’s promises.
Acts 1:8
"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto Me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."
Luke 11:13
"If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask Him."
The scriptural evidence of baptism with the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues as the Spirit inspires.
Acts 2:4
"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."
Acts 10:44-46
44 “While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.”
Speaking in tongues as evidence of baptism with the Holy Spirit is given to every believer who is baptized with the Holy Spirit for the purpose of prayer and personal edification.
Ezekiel 33:14-16
14 “Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
15 If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he hath robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
16 None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.”
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You MUST be Born Again
You cannot educate a slave into royalty because he was born a slave and even if you put him in a palace he will still be a slave because in his heart he is a slave. You cannot educate a sinner and make him a child of God because he was born into the slavery of sin. Jesus said that he who sins is a slave of sin.
You need to be BORN AGAIN, you need to be BORN INTO ROYALTY, you need to be BORN INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD or else, AT HEART YOU WILL ALWAYS REMAIN A SLAVE OF SIN. You cannot educate a person to be a child of God, he needs to be born again and that is what Jesus meant when He said to Nicodemus, as it is written in John 3:3-8 “Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, UNLESS ONE IS BORN AGAIN HE CANNOT SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD.” 4Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” 5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, UNLESS ONE IS BORN OF WATER AND THE SPIRIT HE CANNOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD. 6“That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7“Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8“The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
A person who is born again of the Spirit of God IS A NEW MAN. The world does not understand him and that is why Jesus said he is like the wind, you don’t know where it comes from and where it is going next because that person is led by the Spirit of God. He can see the kingdom of God.
If you are not born again you cannot visualize, you cannot understand the kingdom of God, you are not of the kingdom of God, you are not royalty, YOU ARE A SINNER. You need to be BORN AGAIN!
He who is in Christ is a NEW MAN, the old things have passed away, HE IS NOT A SLAVE OF SIN ANY MORE, he is royalty, he is a child of God, HE IS A SAINT.
Have you been born again? Do you want to be born again and become a child of God? Then you must REPENT, you must FALL ON YOUR KNEES AND CRY OUT TO JESUS. Say:”Lord, I want You to be my Lord and Master. I don’t want to be a slave of sin any more! Please set me free from the bondage of sin! I don’t want to live the life of a sinner any more! I want to be a child of God!” Jesus will set you free. He will forgive your past sins and He will set you free from the bondage of sin and addiction. He will make you royalty, He will make you born again! He will make you a child of God, and then you have to go and bury the old man, you must go and be baptized in water so that the old man of sin can be buried under the water and out of it comes a new man, a new creature in Christ and then you ask Him to baptize you in the HOLY SPIRIT, to FILL YOU WITH THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST! If you do not have the Spirit of Christ, you do not belong to Him.
If you are in Christ you are NEW! You are not of the world any more, you are a different person. You cannot help but be a witness for Jesus because you are filled with the Spirit of God!
Have you been born again? Or have you just been educated? It is not about education, it is about REGENERATION. Have you been regenerated? Are you NEW INSIDE? Ask Jesus for the NEW BIRTH and He will change you inside, HE WILL MAKE YOU ROYALTY, He will make you a child of God.
YOU must be born again to enter the kingdom of Heaven!
May Jesus bless you.
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Re: Is Jesus Lucifer? -- The Truth!!!
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JESUS IS COMING! ARE YOU READY?
JESUS is COMING for THOSE who KNOW HIM, LOVE HIM and OBEY HIM.
ONLY Jesus Christ can give you ETERNAL LIFE, nobody else.
Jesus Christ gives the HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE to those who BELIEVE in Him and OBEY Him.
IT IS ALL ABOUT JESUS. If YOU do not know Jesus and He does not KNOW and approve of you, you are doomed.
PREPARE TO MEET JESUS the RIGHTEOUS JUDGE!
HOW TO KNOW JESUS?
Go on your knees, HUMBLE YOURSELF, CRY OUT to Jesus. PLEAD FOR FORGIVENESS of your past sins and ASK Jesus to come into your heart. REPENT, turn away from all sin. CRY OUT UNTIL you KNOW that Jesus has forgiven you and accepted you, UNTIL He gives you PEACE and JOY.
[If you are not serious about turning away from sin, being Holy and OBEYING Jesus, being pleasing to Him then this is not for you.]
HOW TO KNOW THAT YOU HAVE GOT THROUGH TO JESUS?
You will immediately have the assurance and confirmation in your heart. You will be changed inside, will feel NEW, WASHED, CLEAN. You will have PEACE and JOY like never before in your life. You will know Jesus is IN YOU and Jesus is ALIVE.
WHAT NEXT?
Firm up your RELATIONSHIP with Jesus. Clean up your life. Get rid of all sin. Pray and Jesus will show you in your heart, what to stop doing. Read the words of Jesus in the gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and DO them, OBEY.
BE BAPTIZED IN WATER FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS AS JESUS COMMANDED: ‘He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. “HE WHO HAS BELIEVED AND HAS BEEN BAPTIZED SHALL BE SAVED; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.”’ Mark 16:15,16. [Any true follower of Jesus can baptize you in water – you don’t need to go to a church.]
SEEK THE BAPTISM IN THE HOLY SPIRIT that Jesus promised to those who love Him.
IT IS ALL ABOUT JESUS and YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM, KNOWING HIM, BEING PLEASING TO HIM.
SEEK JESUS – KNOW HIM, FOLLOW HIM,
BE PURE, BE HOLY, BE READY!
SIN NO MORE.
WARNINGS:
DON’T look to people for answers. Pray, Jesus will answer you.
DON”T go to church, go to Jesus.
DON’T follow people or “Christians” Do not make take people for role models. Pray, seek Jesus, He will show you.
NEVER stop following Jesus. What ever happens ALWAYS GO BACK TO JESUS. NEVER GIVE UP UNTIL THE END.
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Heb 2:9
2:9 {6} But we {l} see Jesus, who was made a little {m} lower than the angels {7} for the {n} suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should {o} taste death for {8} every man.
(6) The answer: this is already fulfilled in Jesus Christ our head, who was temporarily for our sakes inferior to the angels, being made man: but now is advanced into most high glory.
(l) By his virtue and power which appears revealed in the Church.
(m) Who abased Himself for a time, and took the position of a servant.
(7) He shows the cause of this subjection, that is, to taste death for our sakes, that in so doing the part of a redeemer, He might not only be our Prophet and King, but also our High Priest.
(n) That he might die.
(o) Feel death.
(8) In this exists the force of the argument: for we could not eventually be glorified with him, unless he was abased for us, even for all the elect. By this event the apostle comes to the other part of the declaration of Christ’s person, in which He proved him to be God and also man.
It is written about Jesus by the Prophet Isaiah: ”Unto us a SON is given, a Child is born and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”
||Jesus is most certainly the Living God!||
”For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are One.”
—1 John 5:7
”I and the Father are One.”
— John 10:30
"Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
— John 8:58
8 But of the Son He says,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
— Hebrews 1:8
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon ME whom they have (pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn.
— Zechariah 12:10
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of GOD, thought it not robbery to be equal with GOD:
7 But made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
— Philippians 2:5-11 (Letters From Prison)
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
— Revelation 19:16
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Let us examine the Scripture on important issues of eternal consequence.
A. Jesus Christ is The Way The Truth and The Life
John 14:6
“Jesus said unto him, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no man cometh unto the Father, But by Me.”
Acts 4:12
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven giving among men, whereby we must be saved."
1 John 5:11-13
11 “And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe in the name of the Son of God.”
The Bible reveals clearly that the Godhead is made up of three separate Persons, each distinct from the other. The first is called God the Father, the second is God the Son and the third is God the Holy Spirit. These three separate Persons make up the one God that we serve. Each one of these three Persons is God in all fullness. No one is greater than the others. The three Persons are united in one and there can be no separation. Each one of these three is the Creator, the Lord, and the eternal God. Yet we do not have three Creators, Lords, or eternal Gods, but One. The Scripture says:
"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear O Israel; The Lord our God is One Lord."Mark 12:29
God the Son came to the world in human form. His name was called Jesus Christ. He came to save mankind from sin and to restore man to eternal life with God.
John 1:1-3, 10, 14
1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew him not.
14 And the Word (Jesus) was made flesh and dwelled among us (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father), full of grace and truth.”
Matthew 1:21-23
21 “And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
Your eyes now have opened clearly to the One that suffered because of your sins, the One that was crucified on the cross, that died, was buried and rose from death on the third day; the One that gave the commission that the gospel be preached in all the world to make people believe on Him for the forgiveness of their sins and the salvation of their souls; the One that went back to heaven and promised that He would be coming back to the world to take His true believers to be with Him and to condemn rebellious sinners to everlasting hell fire, prepared for Satan and his angels. Your eyes have opened clearly to who JESUS is — our Lord and our God.
John 20: 27-29
27 “Then said He to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold My hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into My side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto Him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus said unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen Me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.”
There is no Salvation in any Other Religion or Belief
All those who seek the salvation of their souls through other religions or persons (saints, prophets, masters, etc.) can never find true salvation and can never enter into heaven.
John 10:8-11
To reject Jesus is to reject the God of your life. To reject Jesus means you have chosen to go to hell and be damned forever along with Satan and his subjects.
Special Adoration or Worship of Any Saint is Idolatry
There are those who exalt, adore and worship Mary the earthly mother of Jesus. They pray to her or through her. They also adore some dead saints and pray to them or through them. The Bible has this to say of such people:
Romans 1:20-22,
"Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and He will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon."
Psalm 51:1, 2
1 “Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy loving-kindness: according unto the multitudes of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions
2 Wash me thoroughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.”
Thirdly, Jesus Christ is the Saviour from sin. You cannot stop sinning by your power without Him. Welcome Him into your life to give you the power to overcome sin. When Jesus comes into your life He will save you from sin and give you the power of righteousness. Apart from Him there is no other one and no other way.
Acts 16:30, 31
30 “And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
2 Corinthians 5:17
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
When you give your life to Jesus Christ your sins are forgiven and you have a new life from God. Your name enters into the book of life in heaven. Surely, you will not want to start committing new sins and to get your name removed from the book of life. You must determine to continue in Christ by living a righteous life every day to the end of your life on earth. The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth, obey Him. Do not be afraid of man and be not ashamed of following Jesus. Dissociate from evil friends, relationships and associations.
1 John 3:9, 10
9 “Whosoever is born of God doth no commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.”
Colossians 2:6-8
6 “As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in Him.
7 Rooted and built up in Him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”
Water Baptism
Having given your life to Jesus Christ, you will need to submit yourself to water baptism. Water baptism follows repentance and faith on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 8:35-39
35 “Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.”
The scriptural water baptism is one immersion into water in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
Matthew 28:19
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
Water baptism is not for ignorant and unconverted children, nor for unrepentant adult. Those who were baptized when they were still sinners need to be baptized when they truly repent and give their lives to Jesus Christ. The apostles practiced water baptism according to the instruction given to them by the Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 2:38
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ as seen in the above passage and in other passages in Acts of the Apostles means baptism as instructed or authorised by Jesus Christ.
Baptism With the Holy Ghost
Baptism with the Holy Ghost or the gift of the Holy Ghost is the coming of the Holy Spirit upon a believer in baptismal measure for the purpose of filling him with power for effective Christian service. All believers are promised the baptism with the Holy Spirit by God. This is received by prayer and faith on God’s promises.
Acts 1:8
"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto Me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."
Luke 11:13
"If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask Him."
The scriptural evidence of baptism with the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues as the Spirit inspires.
Acts 2:4
"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."
Acts 10:44-46
44 “While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.”
Speaking in tongues as evidence of baptism with the Holy Spirit is given to every believer who is baptized with the Holy Spirit for the purpose of prayer and personal edification.
Ezekiel 33:14-16
14 “Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
15 If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he hath robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
16 None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.”
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You MUST be Born Again
You cannot educate a slave into royalty because he was born a slave and even if you put him in a palace he will still be a slave because in his heart he is a slave. You cannot educate a sinner and make him a child of God because he was born into the slavery of sin. Jesus said that he who sins is a slave of sin.
You need to be BORN AGAIN, you need to be BORN INTO ROYALTY, you need to be BORN INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD or else, AT HEART YOU WILL ALWAYS REMAIN A SLAVE OF SIN. You cannot educate a person to be a child of God, he needs to be born again and that is what Jesus meant when He said to Nicodemus, as it is written in John 3:3-8 “Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, UNLESS ONE IS BORN AGAIN HE CANNOT SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD.” 4Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” 5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, UNLESS ONE IS BORN OF WATER AND THE SPIRIT HE CANNOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD. 6“That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7“Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8“The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
A person who is born again of the Spirit of God IS A NEW MAN. The world does not understand him and that is why Jesus said he is like the wind, you don’t know where it comes from and where it is going next because that person is led by the Spirit of God. He can see the kingdom of God.
If you are not born again you cannot visualize, you cannot understand the kingdom of God, you are not of the kingdom of God, you are not royalty, YOU ARE A SINNER. You need to be BORN AGAIN!
He who is in Christ is a NEW MAN, the old things have passed away, HE IS NOT A SLAVE OF SIN ANY MORE, he is royalty, he is a child of God, HE IS A SAINT.
Have you been born again? Do you want to be born again and become a child of God? Then you must REPENT, you must FALL ON YOUR KNEES AND CRY OUT TO JESUS. Say:”Lord, I want You to be my Lord and Master. I don’t want to be a slave of sin any more! Please set me free from the bondage of sin! I don’t want to live the life of a sinner any more! I want to be a child of God!” Jesus will set you free. He will forgive your past sins and He will set you free from the bondage of sin and addiction. He will make you royalty, He will make you born again! He will make you a child of God, and then you have to go and bury the old man, you must go and be baptized in water so that the old man of sin can be buried under the water and out of it comes a new man, a new creature in Christ and then you ask Him to baptize you in the HOLY SPIRIT, to FILL YOU WITH THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST! If you do not have the Spirit of Christ, you do not belong to Him.
If you are in Christ you are NEW! You are not of the world any more, you are a different person. You cannot help but be a witness for Jesus because you are filled with the Spirit of God!
Have you been born again? Or have you just been educated? It is not about education, it is about REGENERATION. Have you been regenerated? Are you NEW INSIDE? Ask Jesus for the NEW BIRTH and He will change you inside, HE WILL MAKE YOU ROYALTY, He will make you a child of God.
YOU must be born again to enter the kingdom of Heaven!
May Jesus bless you.





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