BREAKING Russian Superjet-100 disappears in Indonesia during demo - Dozens of VIPs On-Board!! | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1204627 United States 05/09/2012 02:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The most likely reason for their request to descend to 6000 feet would be that they planned to set down inside the large crater and off-load passengers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 967614 This "new" plane could have even had some alterations specifically for this purpose. I'm all about conspiracies, but you may be suffering from GLPitis |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1302764 United States 05/09/2012 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For all haters of Russian planes out there: Quoting: northerntomcat Boeing 727 built: 1832 since 1963 crashed to written off: 90 Tupolev 154 built: ~1050 since 1968 crashed to be written off: 69 5 of those during the last 4 years So I won't say that Russian made aircraft are less safe than a common Boeing. You might want to re-think that. Boeing made 63% more airplanes in the same time-frame and Tupolev has 75% of the crashes that Boeing has, with 63% less aircraft in the air. I'll take my chances with Boeing. |
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Freckles User ID: 668194 Puerto Rico 05/09/2012 02:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Reminds me of an old show I used to watch as a kid... Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale, A tale of a fateful trip That started from a Russian Airport As it left that tiny air strip. The Pilot was a mighty flying man, The stewards brave and sure. Invited passengers took flight that day For a one hour tour, a one hour tour. The weather started getting rough, The Super Jet was tossed, If not for the courage of the fearless crew The VIP's would be lost, the VIP's would be lost. Not sure how this will end yet. Feel free to add your lyrics. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 967614 United States 05/09/2012 02:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mount Salak has a good elevation at 7,700 feet. Good place to put a bunker within the mountain if one believed that a high elevation would be beneficial in avoiding an earth-related catastrophe. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 967614 Everyone should go and look again at the threads with all of the sudden retirements of CEO's, politicians, etc. Also, a lot of the passengers were SKY news execs. Wouldn't they have a good reason to get out of town a little early? Don't want to be in a jail cell when "it" happens. Think back to that Enron guy. Ken Lay. Convicted, but "died" before sentencing. Riiiiight. They've been leaving town for a long time now. You guys are reaching. This flight was a sales pitch about how great the plane is and "you should put your order in now for 6, we'll have them delivered by this time next year." Unfortunately, the plane crashed. ^^This^^ Guy's, I know it's a conspiracy site, but a plane crashed, and a Russian one of that, let's just hope for 1 of 2 things, either tree canopies cushioned the crash and everyone is found in the morning gathered round a campfire singing kumbyarr, or it hit the mountain at such a great speed in thick fog that nobody knew anything about it. Either way, my thoughts are with the friends and families. But a plane crashed, don't try to make more of it. Yes. A plane filled with business-world, media and press VIP's who ALL had an inexplicable urge to attend a demo of a particular Russian airplane in this remote, mountainous region of Backwoods, Java, a region which THE PILOT WAS UNFAMILIAR WITH, on a flight which was somehow twice as long as they were given clearance for. And then the "crash", which, by the way, DOES NOT happen very often when calculated against total flights in the air daily. Mathematics is a wonderful thing. It lets you calculate the odds of all these anomalous, coincidental events ALL happening together at the same time, and come up with a rational idea that it just isn't likely to occur this way. |
Freckles User ID: 668194 Puerto Rico 05/09/2012 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For all haters of Russian planes out there: Quoting: northerntomcat Boeing 727 built: 1832 since 1963 crashed to written off: 90 Tupolev 154 built: ~1050 since 1968 crashed to be written off: 69 5 of those during the last 4 years So I won't say that Russian made aircraft are less safe than a common Boeing. You might want to re-think that. Boeing made 63% more airplanes in the same time-frame and Tupolev has 75% of the crashes that Boeing has, with 63% less aircraft in the air. I'll take my chances with Boeing. As my Dad always said, "If it's not Boeing, I'm not going!" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 967614 United States 05/09/2012 02:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The most likely reason for their request to descend to 6000 feet would be that they planned to set down inside the large crater and off-load passengers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 967614 This "new" plane could have even had some alterations specifically for this purpose. I'm all about conspiracies, but you may be suffering from GLPitis Hey, go big or go home. |
Cosa Nostra User ID: 7485754 Switzerland 05/09/2012 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The most likely reason for their request to descend to 6000 feet would be that they planned to set down inside the large crater and off-load passengers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 967614 This "new" plane could have even had some alterations specifically for this purpose. I'm all about conspiracies, but you may be suffering from GLPitis Hey, go big or go home. My conspiracy is this: It was a shoulder fired surface to air missile that blew the plane up-Al Qaeda Indonesia Last Edited by Cosa Nostra on 05/09/2012 02:42 PM Cosa Nostra, loose association of criminal groups that share a common organizational structure and code of conduct. |
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Cosa Nostra User ID: 7485754 Switzerland 05/09/2012 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Stephen Coonts "DEEP BLACK" A spy plane gathering data on a new Russian weapon is blown out of the sky by a mysterious MiG. Is it an accident or the start of the next world war? One U.S. agency has what it takes to find out–the National Security Agency and its covert operations team: DEEP BLACK. Working for the NSA, ex-Marine sniper Charlie Dean is dispatched to Russia, hooking up with former Delta Force trooper Lia DeFrancesca to find out what happened to the plane. The Deep Black team stumbles across an even more alarming secret–a plot to assassinate the Russian president and overthrow the democratic government by force. The coup could have dire consequences for Russia and the world. With no clearance from the government it’s called on to protect, the National Security Agency goes to war. But before Lia and Dean can unravel the conspiracy, they learn that one of the spy plane’s passengers–an NSA techie–survived the crash. Critical information could fall into enemy hands. And that enemy is playing to the death. “Coonts knows how to write and build suspense.” --The New York Times Book Review Cosa Nostra, loose association of criminal groups that share a common organizational structure and code of conduct. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1302764 United States 05/09/2012 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mount Salak has a good elevation at 7,700 feet. Good place to put a bunker within the mountain if one believed that a high elevation would be beneficial in avoiding an earth-related catastrophe. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 967614 Everyone should go and look again at the threads with all of the sudden retirements of CEO's, politicians, etc. Also, a lot of the passengers were SKY news execs. Wouldn't they have a good reason to get out of town a little early? Don't want to be in a jail cell when "it" happens. Think back to that Enron guy. Ken Lay. Convicted, but "died" before sentencing. Riiiiight. They've been leaving town for a long time now. You guys are reaching. This flight was a sales pitch about how great the plane is and "you should put your order in now for 6, we'll have them delivered by this time next year." Unfortunately, the plane crashed. ^^This^^ Guy's, I know it's a conspiracy site, but a plane crashed, and a Russian one of that, let's just hope for 1 of 2 things, either tree canopies cushioned the crash and everyone is found in the morning gathered round a campfire singing kumbyarr, or it hit the mountain at such a great speed in thick fog that nobody knew anything about it. Either way, my thoughts are with the friends and families. But a plane crashed, don't try to make more of it. Yes. A plane filled with business-world, media and press VIP's who ALL had an inexplicable urge to attend a demo of a particular Russian airplane in this remote, mountainous region of Backwoods, Java, a region which THE PILOT WAS UNFAMILIAR WITH, on a flight which was somehow twice as long as they were given clearance for. And then the "crash", which, by the way, DOES NOT happen very often when calculated against total flights in the air daily. Mathematics is a wonderful thing. It lets you calculate the odds of all these anomalous, coincidental events ALL happening together at the same time, and come up with a rational idea that it just isn't likely to occur this way. Dude, you're reaching. Why don't you calculate the chances that you were actually born, to your actual parents during this time in history....All those forces that came together, to make you. What are the chances? These VIP's were airline executives from Indonesia, some from the builder, and press people, who were invited to talk up the plance. It's not a conspiracy, it's a crash. Just like your dad's sperm crashed into you mom's egg and then, there you were. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 15779945 Slovenia 05/09/2012 02:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the plane dissapeared near the volcano Bogor ;) at Dzakarta [link to translate.googleusercontent.com] |
Freckles User ID: 668194 Puerto Rico 05/09/2012 02:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Stephen Coonts "DEEP BLACK" Quoting: Cosa Nostra A spy plane gathering data on a new Russian weapon is blown out of the sky by a mysterious MiG. Is it an accident or the start of the next world war? One U.S. agency has what it takes to find out–the National Security Agency and its covert operations team: DEEP BLACK. Working for the NSA, ex-Marine sniper Charlie Dean is dispatched to Russia, hooking up with former Delta Force trooper Lia DeFrancesca to find out what happened to the plane. The Deep Black team stumbles across an even more alarming secret–a plot to assassinate the Russian president and overthrow the democratic government by force. The coup could have dire consequences for Russia and the world. With no clearance from the government it’s called on to protect, the National Security Agency goes to war. But before Lia and Dean can unravel the conspiracy, they learn that one of the spy plane’s passengers–an NSA techie–survived the crash. Critical information could fall into enemy hands. And that enemy is playing to the death. “Coonts knows how to write and build suspense.” --The New York Times Book Review Love it!!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4207341 United States 05/09/2012 02:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1204627 You guys are reaching. This flight was a sales pitch about how great the plane is and "you should put your order in now for 6, we'll have them delivered by this time next year." Unfortunately, the plane crashed. ^^This^^ Guy's, I know it's a conspiracy site, but a plane crashed, and a Russian one of that, let's just hope for 1 of 2 things, either tree canopies cushioned the crash and everyone is found in the morning gathered round a campfire singing kumbyarr, or it hit the mountain at such a great speed in thick fog that nobody knew anything about it. Either way, my thoughts are with the friends and families. But a plane crashed, don't try to make more of it. Yes. A plane filled with business-world, media and press VIP's who ALL had an inexplicable urge to attend a demo of a particular Russian airplane in this remote, mountainous region of Backwoods, Java, a region which THE PILOT WAS UNFAMILIAR WITH, on a flight which was somehow twice as long as they were given clearance for. And then the "crash", which, by the way, DOES NOT happen very often when calculated against total flights in the air daily. Mathematics is a wonderful thing. It lets you calculate the odds of all these anomalous, coincidental events ALL happening together at the same time, and come up with a rational idea that it just isn't likely to occur this way. Dude, you're reaching. Why don't you calculate the chances that you were actually born, to your actual parents during this time in history....All those forces that came together, to make you. What are the chances? These VIP's were airline executives from Indonesia, some from the builder, and press people, who were invited to talk up the plance. It's not a conspiracy, it's a crash. Just like your dad's sperm crashed into you mom's egg and then, there you were. That is a horrible comparison.. using his birth.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 967614 United States 05/09/2012 02:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The most likely reason for their request to descend to 6000 feet would be that they planned to set down inside the large crater and off-load passengers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 967614 This "new" plane could have even had some alterations specifically for this purpose. I'm all about conspiracies, but you may be suffering from GLPitis Hey, go big or go home. My conspiracy is this: It was a shoulder fired surface to air missile that blew the plane up-Al Qaeda Indonesia a good start, but can you add any drama? My theory has more Hollywood appeal, I think. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15664095 Portugal 05/09/2012 02:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The most likely reason for their request to descend to 6000 feet would be that they planned to set down inside the large crater and off-load passengers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 967614 This "new" plane could have even had some alterations specifically for this purpose. I'm all about conspiracies, but you may be suffering from GLPitis Indeed! |
Terviseks User ID: 11384929 France 05/09/2012 02:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Stephen Coonts "DEEP BLACK" Quoting: Cosa Nostra A spy plane gathering data on a new Russian weapon is blown out of the sky by a mysterious MiG. Is it an accident or the start of the next world war? One U.S. agency has what it takes to find out–the National Security Agency and its covert operations team: DEEP BLACK. Working for the NSA, ex-Marine sniper Charlie Dean is dispatched to Russia, hooking up with former Delta Force trooper Lia DeFrancesca to find out what happened to the plane. The Deep Black team stumbles across an even more alarming secret–a plot to assassinate the Russian president and overthrow the democratic government by force. The coup could have dire consequences for Russia and the world. With no clearance from the government it’s called on to protect, the National Security Agency goes to war. But before Lia and Dean can unravel the conspiracy, they learn that one of the spy plane’s passengers–an NSA techie–survived the crash. Critical information could fall into enemy hands. And that enemy is playing to the death. “Coonts knows how to write and build suspense.” --The New York Times Book Review Love it!!!! Is there other Stephen Coonts fans here ? The human mind: a ferret who is feared |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 967614 United States 05/09/2012 02:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: ayr phorce yuan ^^This^^ Guy's, I know it's a conspiracy site, but a plane crashed, and a Russian one of that, let's just hope for 1 of 2 things, either tree canopies cushioned the crash and everyone is found in the morning gathered round a campfire singing kumbyarr, or it hit the mountain at such a great speed in thick fog that nobody knew anything about it. Either way, my thoughts are with the friends and families. But a plane crashed, don't try to make more of it. Yes. A plane filled with business-world, media and press VIP's who ALL had an inexplicable urge to attend a demo of a particular Russian airplane in this remote, mountainous region of Backwoods, Java, a region which THE PILOT WAS UNFAMILIAR WITH, on a flight which was somehow twice as long as they were given clearance for. And then the "crash", which, by the way, DOES NOT happen very often when calculated against total flights in the air daily. Mathematics is a wonderful thing. It lets you calculate the odds of all these anomalous, coincidental events ALL happening together at the same time, and come up with a rational idea that it just isn't likely to occur this way. Dude, you're reaching. Why don't you calculate the chances that you were actually born, to your actual parents during this time in history....All those forces that came together, to make you. What are the chances? These VIP's were airline executives from Indonesia, some from the builder, and press people, who were invited to talk up the plance. It's not a conspiracy, it's a crash. Just like your dad's sperm crashed into you mom's egg and then, there you were. That is a horrible comparison.. using his birth.. Yeah, it's not a good argument. If I believe in Intelligent Design, the God controls all of that. But this, this has all the hallmarks of human machinations. So he bolsters my point instead of refuting it. But, let's keep trying. Also, it's MRS. Dude. Dudette. |
Kuutamo User ID: 15772226 Russia 05/09/2012 02:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For all haters of Russian planes out there: Quoting: northerntomcat Boeing 727 built: 1832 since 1963 crashed to written off: 90 Tupolev 154 built: ~1050 since 1968 crashed to be written off: 69 5 of those during the last 4 years So I won't say that Russian made aircraft are less safe than a common Boeing. absolutely wrong... Tupolev 154 is not Russian, but USSR made aircraft. Good thing is that you have no real chance to fly "Russian" aircraft as there are no existed ones. Crashed plane was a test model to bluff that Russia can produce something useful today. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 967614 United States 05/09/2012 02:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the plane dissapeared near the volcano Bogor ;) at Dzakarta Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15779945 [link to translate.googleusercontent.com] LOL! And a big +1 for my crater-bunker theory! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15794005 United Kingdom 05/09/2012 03:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Seriously... People are still doubting it IS an Illuminati shit?? Quoting: UndercoverAlien Mount Salak elevation: 2,211 m Plane lost contact with air traffic controllers at 2:12 p.m., 21 minutes after taking off, Current year: 2012 As long as there's no confirmation of the exact number of people onboard, I'll leave the 33 + 11 of 44, out of the equation, but don't you think a little bit odd this persistent repetition of the bold digits above??? Smells dark kabbalah all the way... yh they've probably faked their deaths to take refuge in the bunkers before the mega tsunami hits south east asia |
northerntomcat User ID: 13843244 Canada 05/09/2012 03:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For all haters of Russian planes out there: Quoting: northerntomcat Boeing 727 built: 1832 since 1963 crashed to written off: 90 Tupolev 154 built: ~1050 since 1968 crashed to be written off: 69 5 of those during the last 4 years So I won't say that Russian made aircraft are less safe than a common Boeing. absolutely wrong... Tupolev 154 is not Russian, but USSR made aircraft. Good thing is that you have no real chance to fly "Russian" aircraft as there are no existed ones. Crashed plane was a test model to bluff that Russia can produce something useful today. National origin Soviet Union/Russia [link to en.wikipedia.org] Now are you going to tell me that russia wasn't part of the USSR? BTW that came from the aviation Herald not me forgot to post link. If you cross country ski, start with a small country. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15779945 Slovenia 05/09/2012 03:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the plane dissapeared near the volcano Bogor ;) at Dzakarta Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15779945 [link to translate.googleusercontent.com] LOL! And a big +1 for my crater-bunker theory! perhaps they jump off by parachutes in an pre defined area where the bunkers are build, and the plane was controlled landed in the volcano bogor and then dissapeared in the heat of the magma. can it be all so simple man ;8 |
Freckles User ID: 668194 Puerto Rico 05/09/2012 03:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Stephen Coonts "DEEP BLACK" Quoting: Cosa Nostra A spy plane gathering data on a new Russian weapon is blown out of the sky by a mysterious MiG. Is it an accident or the start of the next world war? One U.S. agency has what it takes to find out–the National Security Agency and its covert operations team: DEEP BLACK. Working for the NSA, ex-Marine sniper Charlie Dean is dispatched to Russia, hooking up with former Delta Force trooper Lia DeFrancesca to find out what happened to the plane. The Deep Black team stumbles across an even more alarming secret–a plot to assassinate the Russian president and overthrow the democratic government by force. The coup could have dire consequences for Russia and the world. With no clearance from the government it’s called on to protect, the National Security Agency goes to war. But before Lia and Dean can unravel the conspiracy, they learn that one of the spy plane’s passengers–an NSA techie–survived the crash. Critical information could fall into enemy hands. And that enemy is playing to the death. “Coonts knows how to write and build suspense.” --The New York Times Book Review Love it!!!! Is there other Stephen Coonts fans here ? That obvious, huh? lol |
northerntomcat User ID: 13843244 Canada 05/09/2012 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For all haters of Russian planes out there: Quoting: northerntomcat Boeing 727 built: 1832 since 1963 crashed to written off: 90 Tupolev 154 built: ~1050 since 1968 crashed to be written off: 69 5 of those during the last 4 years So I won't say that Russian made aircraft are less safe than a common Boeing. absolutely wrong... Tupolev 154 is not Russian, but USSR made aircraft. Good thing is that you have no real chance to fly "Russian" aircraft as there are no existed ones. Crashed plane was a test model to bluff that Russia can produce something useful today. The Yak Aircraft Corporation (formerly the A.S. Yakovlev Design Bureau JSC) is a Russian aircraft designer and manufacturer (design office prefix Yak). Its head office is in Aeroport District, Northern Administrative Okrug, Moscow You might want to look at this one too [link to en.wikipedia.org] or this Yakovlev Yak-58 Role Six-seat cabin monoplane National origin Russia Manufacturer Yakovlev First flight 26 December 1993 Last Edited by northerntomcat on 05/09/2012 03:13 PM If you cross country ski, start with a small country. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15779945 Slovenia 05/09/2012 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the plane dissapeared near the volcano Bogor ;) at Dzakarta Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15779945 [link to translate.googleusercontent.com] LOL! And a big +1 for my crater-bunker theory! i think the volcano is called merapi and is the most active java volcano as i read |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 15779945 Slovenia 05/09/2012 03:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the plane dissapeared near the volcano Bogor ;) at Dzakarta Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15779945 [link to translate.googleusercontent.com] LOL! And a big +1 for my crater-bunker theory! i think the volcano is called merapi and is the most active java volcano as i read [link to en.wikipedia.org] Mount Merapi, Gunung Merapi (literally Fire Mountain in Indonesian/Javanese), is an active stratovolcano located on the border between Central Java and Yogyakarta, Indonesia. It is the most active volcano in Indonesia and has erupted regularly since 1548. It is located approximately 28 kilometres (17 mi) north of Yogyakarta city, and thousands of people live on the flanks of the volcano, with villages as high as 1,700 metres (5,600 ft) above sea level. The name Merapi could be loosely translated as 'Mountain of Fire'. The etymology of the name came from Meru-Api; from the Javanese combined words; Meru means "mountain" refer to mythical mountain of Gods in Hinduism, and api means "fire". Smoke can be seen emerging from the mountaintop at least 300 days a year, and several eruptions have caused fatalities. Hot gas from a large explosion killed 27 people on 22 November in 1994, mostly in the town of Muntilan, west of the volcano.[3] Another large eruption occurred in 2006, shortly before the Yogyakarta earthquake. In light of the hazards that Merapi poses to populated areas, it has been designated as one of the Decade Volcanoes. |
CharlieMurphy User ID: 8396450 United States 05/09/2012 03:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For all haters of Russian planes out there: Quoting: northerntomcat Boeing 727 built: 1832 since 1963 crashed to written off: 90 Tupolev 154 built: ~1050 since 1968 crashed to be written off: 69 5 of those during the last 4 years So I won't say that Russian made aircraft are less safe than a common Boeing. I don't think anyone is referring to the safety of the jet, I'm sure it's very safe. The fact is the pilot requested permission to descend into mountainous terrain he was unfamiliar with. Ya and the ATC gave it to him. I think there is an ATC guy shitting his pants right now. Yea this is what I am thinking, some asshat feels really horrible tonight... Fuck Yea! |