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Ebola as a Bio-Terror Weapon Spread by "Martyrs" Who Willingly Infect Themselves

 
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This article, written by a guest writer in a Ugandan newspaper, struck me as very odd. He suggests that terrorist organizations like Al Qaeda have an army of "willing volunteers" who would knowingly infect themselves with the Ebola virus and then spread it through direct contact with as many people as possible. This could occur because, in Ebola outbreaks such as the one happening now in Uganda, samples sent to local labs for diagnosis are not handled in a secure manner and could easily be stolen and used to infect the volunteers. The author also suggests that radical volunteers (read 'martyrs') might also simply travel to infected zones and willingly initiate contact with a sick person in order to contract the deadly disease and then take it back to an unsuspecting population.

Of all of the nightmare scenarios of an act of bio-terrorism, this method is the most insidious I've ever heard. People WILLINGLY infecting themselves with Ebola in order to start an Ebola pandemic? The guy should be writing screen plays. Or is he onto something?

Victims of this particular Ebola strain are apparently not exhibiting the usual symptoms of Ebola (such as coughing blood), which has delayed the testing for the virus and enabled it to spread further than it would have spread under 'normal' conditions. Typically, Ebola burns itself out fast because it kills its victims so quickly and distinctly and is therefore relatively easy to diagnose. This strain was not easy to diagnose due to its unusual symptoms presentation and thus slipped under the disease monitors' radar. Because the initial symptoms are so run-of-the-mill (fever, loss of appetite, etc.), those who contract the disease through an Ebola martyr could likewise take a long time to be diagnosed, which would further enable its spread.

What a horrible and diabolical thought and plot. Let's hope that no-one is 'sick' enough to actually want to carry it out.

Here's the article.

[link to www.observer.ug]
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Damn, that's nutty. Hadn't even crossed my mind. You know there are motherfuckers lining up for a shot at that. The problem will be getting the virus.
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good idea , think i may have a go ...

allah akbar ....
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Damn, that's nutty. Hadn't even crossed my mind. You know there are motherfuckers lining up for a shot at that. The problem will be getting the virus.
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Unfortunately, that's not such a problem. The author pointed out that it would be easy either to steal a blood sample (in for diagnosis) from a local lab that has zero security measures, or simply go to the source of infection (e.g., sick people in hospital).

Like you, I also had never imagined anyone sick enough to willingly infect him or herself to become a human bio-terrorism weapon. That's what I found so odd about the premise of this article, submitted by a 'guest' author who was medically trained in London. Not only did he apparently envision such a scenario, he wrote about it and it was published yesterday in a reputable Ugandan newspaper.
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Damn, that's nutty. Hadn't even crossed my mind. You know there are motherfuckers lining up for a shot at that. The problem will be getting the virus.
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Me either. Guess that means we live sheltered lives. :0)
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Once you get over the horror of the disease, it's not so different from these volunteers that blow themselves up gladly, murder by demented religious zealots by any other name.
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Once you get over the horror of the disease, it's not so different from these volunteers that blow themselves up gladly, murder by demented religious zealots by any other name.
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I guess you have a point, but blowing yourself up is much quicker. I guess the MO with Ebola terrorism would be to infect yourself, make sure you infect as many others as possible, and before you get too sick, commit suicide. Or maybe you'd go for a two-for-one (and earn 140 virgins instead of just 70) and blow yourself up after you've infected as many people as possible. Probably even in the blowing up you'd infect countless others through the splattering of your bloody body parts.

This is so disgusting, but even more disgusting is the thought that some people would consider this a worthy and viable way to seek revenge on 'the enemy'.
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I can't see this happening. Islam is rapidly shifting in its engagement with capital...has been bar a few hiccups and the lunatic element are making way for the sort of pragmatism that is necessary for the new Islamic elite to set roots. Every region on this planet has its is drooling crazies...largely marginalised it has to be said as the larger majority have no real interest in blood curdling conspiratorial nonsense and other cultic idiocy. We are, by and large, a pragmatic species.
Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains!
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I can't see this happening. Islam is rapidly shifting in its engagement with capital...has been bar a few hiccups and the lunatic element are making way for the sort of pragmatism that is necessary for the new Islamic elite to set roots. Every region on this planet has its is drooling crazies...largely marginalised it has to be said as the larger majority have no real interest in blood curdling conspiratorial nonsense and other cultic idiocy. We are, by and large, a pragmatic species.
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Hope you're right.
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This has been talked about before, maybe not on here. Anyway the conclusion is always the same terrorist groups simply don't have the technology, or know how to control it enough till they get it to a major city.
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This has been talked about before, maybe not on here. Anyway the conclusion is always the same terrorist groups simply don't have the technology, or know how to control it enough till they get it to a major city.
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I'm not so sure about that. How much 'technology' do you need to wallow in the bodily fluids of an Ebola victim and then hop on a plane to any number of world centres to spread the love? Not much control required there. That's what makes this scenario so horrendous -- anyone could do it. All he/she needs is the will to do it, a passport, and a couple of plane tickets.
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Scary stuff. Never thought of it either, but read earlier today it was tried by some japanese group some time past.

However london is probably not a long flight, and with a incubation period of 6 - 21 days for the disease.If they did it on the last days of olympics it would be then carried world wide as chances are those people would be coming back shortly after the end of the games.

Think about it somehow finding a way to shake olympians hands et on the final day or days - then teams returning straight back.

However how would they find someone infected with it to start, unless they got in a ward as a worker or just lucked out.

Very, very scary actually.
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It is actually like a calling for it to be done when you think about it.

I find it hard to believe any normal medical doctor without ill intent would send this to a paper to be published at this point with the whole world gathered a short flight away.
But then I find it hard to believe a paper would publish it without realising that ...

Scary.
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Then why, after all these years it hasnt happened then?
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I will Stop eating at burger King ! they import Ugandan Beef and hire ugandan homos ! african lol
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It is actually like a calling for it to be done when you think about it.

I find it hard to believe any normal medical doctor without ill intent would send this to a paper to be published at this point with the whole world gathered a short flight away.
But then I find it hard to believe a paper would publish it without realising that ...

Scary.
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That's what I found so odd about the article. It reads like a warning as well as a prediction or a how-to game plan.

On a non-conspiratorial level, the writer may just have been pointing out how easy it would be for individuals from a terrorist organization to contract the disease and spread it abroad, as the samples for diagnosis are not held under any kind of security and virtually anyone can walk into and out of an Ebola ward (or, I assume, at the very least anyone could have access to dirty laundry from such a ward -- yuck!). The writer appears to be calling for stricter controls on outbreaks of diseases as dire as Ebola, and suggests that international bodies like the WHO should take control of such outbreaks from the get-go, including ensuring the secure handling of blood samples. The writer does not appear to have much confidence in how the local authorities handled the current outbreak in Uganda and argues that Ebola, especially when the victims' symptoms are not presenting initially as Ebola, is too dangerous a disease to be handled just on a local level with the usual controls. Perhaps this is why he envisioned this horrendous scenario of willing Ebola volunteers/terrorists, just to bolster his argument. At least, I hope that's why he envisioned it.
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Then why, after all these years it hasnt happened then?
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When the time is right, it may well happen. Karma keeps meticulous accounts.
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It is actually like a calling for it to be done when you think about it.

I find it hard to believe any normal medical doctor without ill intent would send this to a paper to be published at this point with the whole world gathered a short flight away.
But then I find it hard to believe a paper would publish it without realising that ...

Scary.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18216274


That's what I found so odd about the article. It reads like a warning as well as a prediction or a how-to game plan.

On a non-conspiratorial level, the writer may just have been pointing out how easy it would be for individuals from a terrorist organization to contract the disease and spread it abroad, as the samples for diagnosis are not held under any kind of security and virtually anyone can walk into and out of an Ebola ward (or, I assume, at the very least anyone could have access to dirty laundry from such a ward -- yuck!). The writer appears to be calling for stricter controls on outbreaks of diseases as dire as Ebola, and suggests that international bodies like the WHO should take control of such outbreaks from the get-go, including ensuring the secure handling of blood samples. The writer does not appear to have much confidence in how the local authorities handled the current outbreak in Uganda and argues that Ebola, especially when the victims' symptoms are not presenting initially as Ebola, is too dangerous a disease to be handled just on a local level with the usual controls. Perhaps this is why he envisioned this horrendous scenario of willing Ebola volunteers/terrorists, just to bolster his argument. At least, I hope that's why he envisioned it.
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I hope so too. But the date of it being placed in the paper 6.08.12 and the explicit explanation of how so many matrys would be willing to do it. Hmmmm - to me it is like hoping they are called by this article.

Also somewhere on here some time back, was a thread about the website where they were promoting them to use handcream for the olympic attack with some poison or something in it. I remember us all laughing at the time about how silly it was. I will see if I can find the thread.

I just cannot see how a newspaper so close to the terrorist centre could find it appt to publish such a discriptive how to right at the time the carriers could make it back to the olympics for peoples returns.

Thankyou so much for finding and posting this, It may be something far bigger then coincidence and should be watched very closely.
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LOL, this one is not it. However stumbled across it and found it very interesting. This gets scarier the more you find out...

Thread: UK health workers vaccinated against possible biological terror attack at Olympics
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[link to science.howstuffworks.com]
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What makes you think that the carrier has to do it willingly?

The KGB could poke you with an umbrella with enough poison on the end of it to kill you, and you wouldnt even notice.

They could poke someone with any communicable disease and send the unwilling person on a flight to anywhere in the world.



I think about this alot, because I think that Agenda 21 is real. I also think that TPTB would rather use a bio-weapon than nuclear because they dont want to destroy the world... they just want to kill most of us.
I dont mean everything I say to be literal. I just like to throw around ideas, and play devil's advocate.

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What OP, you never saw Twelve Monkeys? It's practically the entire basis of the film.
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Tards ebola kills it's victim so quickly they would die before they succeed in infecting someone.

Only a disease with a long incubation peroid and a moderate kill ratio can accomplish that.

Ebola is so lethal and fast it would kill all the carriers before they have the chance of doing any substantial harm.

If ebola mutates into a less agressive strain and combines with other pathogens that have pandemic potential then maybe but that strain in uganda not a chance.

Using disease to create a pandemic is nonsense if such a virus exists it won't need terrorists to do it's job trust me on this.

Cause it waould have to be airborne and spread like the flu to be able to do a pandemic on global scale.

Didn't you people go to school?
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No. Ebola was let out when Galveston had hurricane.

Shit was let out of Plum Island during hurricane "Bob" or "Gloria" anyway it was a long time ago.

Shit got out of Ft. Deitrich.

Ribicoff Research and Reston Monkey research.

Shit got out of Boston Lincoln lab.

Oncolytic synthetic interferon. Just like 28 days later. The stand.

Yersinia is out.

Smallpox is out.

Its all out.

And it has been for a long time.

Can't be that hot. Its hard to get things really really hot.

But anyway, know that 28 days later is what they wanted.

Rabies is weaponized and out. Pseudo rabies nodding disease.

I could go on and on.

Needless to say, its all out. Why? They just let stuff burn and go under water and what did you expect anyway?

Bioweapons are to use.

Chemical weapons are to use.

Nuclear weapons are to use.

Its 2012 and TPTB want planetary suicide.
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Tards ebola kills it's victim so quickly they would die before they succeed in infecting someone.

Only a disease with a long incubation peroid and a moderate kill ratio can accomplish that.

Ebola is so lethal and fast it would kill all the carriers before they have the chance of doing any substantial harm.

If ebola mutates into a less agressive strain and combines with other pathogens that have pandemic potential then maybe but that strain in uganda not a chance.

Using disease to create a pandemic is nonsense if such a virus exists it won't need terrorists to do it's job trust me on this.

Cause it waould have to be airborne and spread like the flu to be able to do a pandemic on global scale.

Didn't you people go to school?
 Quoting: Mr information 1337378


LOL. I don't want to be a Bolatard.
Well, yes I always thought that too,but this one they do not all bleed and I guess the doc sees it as viable to have even written that story.

So now I need to stay a Bolatard rofl
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Tards ebola kills it's victim so quickly they would die before they succeed in infecting someone.

Only a disease with a long incubation peroid and a moderate kill ratio can accomplish that.

Ebola is so lethal and fast it would kill all the carriers before they have the chance of doing any substantial harm.

If ebola mutates into a less agressive strain and combines with other pathogens that have pandemic potential then maybe but that strain in uganda not a chance.

Using disease to create a pandemic is nonsense if such a virus exists it won't need terrorists to do it's job trust me on this.

Cause it waould have to be airborne and spread like the flu to be able to do a pandemic on global scale.

Didn't you people go to school?
 Quoting: Mr information 1337378


The point here is that this latest outbreak appears to be a mutant strain and symptoms do not present as Ebola until the disease has progressed to the end stages. Hence, people just get generally sick with what appears to be any number of illnesses, from food poisoning to gastroenteritis. Appearing to have an illness that is not Ebola, they (and their carers) will not take the degree of precautions that Ebola would necessitate. This is how Ebola might easily be spread and turn into a pandemic situation. You might have considered these facts before you went on your verbal rampage.
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No. Ebola was let out when Galveston had hurricane.

Shit was let out of Plum Island during hurricane "Bob" or "Gloria" anyway it was a long time ago.

Shit got out of Ft. Deitrich.

Ribicoff Research and Reston Monkey research.

Shit got out of Boston Lincoln lab.

Oncolytic synthetic interferon. Just like 28 days later. The stand.

Yersinia is out.

Smallpox is out.

Its all out.

And it has been for a long time.

Can't be that hot. Its hard to get things really really hot.

But anyway, know that 28 days later is what they wanted.

Rabies is weaponized and out. Pseudo rabies nodding disease.

I could go on and on.

Needless to say, its all out. Why? They just let stuff burn and go under water and what did you expect anyway?

Bioweapons are to use.

Chemical weapons are to use.

Nuclear weapons are to use.

Its 2012 and TPTB want planetary suicide.
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You might be right there.
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What OP, you never saw Twelve Monkeys? It's practically the entire basis of the film.
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Not even close.
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What makes you think that the carrier has to do it willingly?

The KGB could poke you with an umbrella with enough poison on the end of it to kill you, and you wouldnt even notice.

They could poke someone with any communicable disease and send the unwilling person on a flight to anywhere in the world.



I think about this alot, because I think that Agenda 21 is real. I also think that TPTB would rather use a bio-weapon than nuclear because they dont want to destroy the world... they just want to kill most of us.
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This was the author's premise, not mine. I'm just the messenger.
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This has been talked about before, maybe not on here. Anyway the conclusion is always the same terrorist groups simply don't have the technology, or know how to control it enough till they get it to a major city.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21031197


I'm not so sure about that. How much 'technology' do you need to wallow in the bodily fluids of an Ebola victim and then hop on a plane to any number of world centres to spread the love? Not much control required there. That's what makes this scenario so horrendous -- anyone could do it. All he/she needs is the will to do it, a passport, and a couple of plane tickets.
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That's the problem because it will kill everyone, or show symptoms before the terrorist can do anything with it.

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