John Lear - why does sleeper raise his children as Christ followers, really?

Oh my god but what does the "word" Lucifer mean to you?

Don't get the connection between the title and the text.
Are the persons mentioned Sleeper's "children".

To Belgium: I didn't go looking for the "idea" of lucifer... just looking for first-hand testimonials related to Jesus Christ and the lucifer it seems like the banks worship... dig around and see for yourself...

to the other comment: I used to think that Lou (aka "Sleeper) was on to something and have read most if not all of his original thread and done a lot of research not listed, around this topic.

I am posting the general conclusion I have come to by posting this list.

I think if "Sleeper" turned to Jesus Christ he would no longer have dealings with the supposed "ETs"

Although I now follow Jesus Christ, I will allow that someone might say, as regards those the term has helped (see Mufon researcher link on the list) that merely the words "Jesus Christ" are somehow magical incantations that make the phenomenon go away... though I don't think that is the case, especially since it doesn't work for everyone.

I now suspect that Lou and myself and others have been dupes of a luciferian deception...

dido, Hidden Hand, btw

see the list, look through it and do your own research

My youtube links don't always work so I have compiled a list w descriptions, most of which is on youtube:

Bare in mind I do not belong to any church and prefer to live a Christ-centered life by reading the bible, prayer and research in ALL fields.

Strongly feel that true Christ followers still need to live without envy, greed or hate, plus a few other virtues, like the exercise of altruism whenever possible... Judge Not...


1)John Todd--

[link to www.youtube.com]

a) former high-level witch and illuminati and converted Druid Priest. Says that they run the show, especially drug trafic, and have more money than they know what to do with.
b) they will destroy economy or any company whenever it suits the objective--money no option. Rothchilds at top communing direct w lucifer.
c) Salem witch trials was actually one group of witches getting rid of another and Christians who were meeting to pray--Christians who pray obstruct the ability of witches to conjure and manipulate demons (see #2 below)
d) we can deduce that the persecution of cathars and the inquisitions and other witch burning pandemics may have had similar roots
e) ufos are demonic (even U.S. govt. w craft it could be argued, are simply occultists working wittingly or not to bring in “end times.”
f) interesting that William Bramley found historic ufo sightings before every major outbreak of the plague in middle ages AND hovering above the vatican.
g) He also says he used to pay off most of the large churches under his jurisdiction. You should see how big my mothers church is now, and how high-tech... looks like someone found a pot of gold... :) and now he has an Israeli flag as big as the American one, front and center of the Church above the alter. It becomes so obvious after a while--Israel is a puppet state to the Rothchild banksters.


2)Lucifer's Children

[link to www.youtube.com]

a) former Vietnam vet--compelling story about how satanists work, why they really don't like Christ followers and why he converted to Christ.


3) "former satanist shows everyday occultism"

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a) another former satanist, he claims he was recruited to be a high priest with special abilities from a young age
b) lots of interesting aspects to above points
c) very "regular" type of guy--seems sincere.


4) The UFO phenomenon explained by MUFON researcher Joseph Jordan who claims that calling on Christ to alleviate the abduction phenomenon not only works, but is being covered up. Over 400 cases of this to date!

a)The family showcased at the end have been repeatedly mentioned on A&E Channel without ever mentioning that they are now healed of the abusive abduction phenomenon that plagued them.

b) It seems likely that there are many ways we can open ourselves up to demonic energies, especially when we do not follow rules of the bible or know about the occult knowledge. The latter is not fool-proof as the wisest man in the bible, Solomon, fell prey to his own hubris and the tales of former satanists and witches, etc are quite telling and similar: Jesus Christ is the only way out.

c) the ways to open ourselves up to demonic are all consciousness-based, ultimately, but include films, tv, music, mind-altering substances (I say this as a person who loves herb, but have stopped smoking), etc... Herb is probably a medicine that even Terrance McKenna said was abused by most and should only be used once a week, ideally.

[link to vimeo.com]

d) some of the top researchers such as Jaque Vallee and J Allen Hyneck were convinced the phenomenon was demonic/other dimensional...


5) "former illuminati" generally and Mark Cleminson specifically... [link to www.youtube.com] v=h63iNa0BcrQ

a) He was born into an illuminati family, was schooled by jesuits in special schools in Nepal and learned to meditate (open self to demonic energy), levitate and gain psychic abilities the illuminati and IBM specifically were planning to use him for bringing in the NWO and “end times.”
b) His story is very interesting, mirrors former satanists and exposes the New Age religions.
c) Again, Jesus Christ the only way out and he literally had to confront death when the order tried to get him back.
d) Great example of the spiritual rules that really exist and run things here.


6) Roger Morneau--1946 he got into Supernatural secret society... great guy, amazing story! [link to www.youtube.com]

a) Maybe one of the best “former secret societies” stories and probably the oldest on video record.
b) He got involved in 1946 and had many supernatural experiences
they used fear to compel members to “initiate”
c) He gives great back-story to the luciferian plan and how old it really is.
d) more insight into New Age religion being a luciferian trap.
e) Explains the three basic classes of “fallen angels” and how they confuse and manipulate us.
f) escaped certain death through Jesus Christ.
g) Perhaps the biggest deception is that people no longer believe in the supernatural or the likelihood of satan and dark principalities... the real x-files.


7) Recent BBC documentary on new evidence for the Shroud of Turin. [link to www.youtube.com] v=dr9_v5A4a2w

a) there are a few good docs on this now worth seeing and questioning, especially now that they admit the carbon dating was shite.
b) other researchers have uncovered that even the men involved in the original test were biased against the Shroud.
c) One of the men involved was found to have requested cloth from middle ages similar to the Shroud.
d) The other forensics on this are amazing and entertaining.


8) Carolyn Hamlett is a survivor from generational Illuminist bloodlines,

a) born w special abilities
b) worked w "ascended masters" who she names
c. says it's all a luciferian deception

“spared and delivered from its hold on her mind and life by her faith in God. Carolyn is a former "multi-generational server" in the Illuminati. She provides further evidence that humanity is the victim of a long-term satanic conspiracy that is entering its final stage. "I have known "The Plan" since I was a small child and have seen it carried out just as I was told it would be....It has been a very slow process to get people to the point where common sense is not so common."
She joins the ranks of Svali, Cathy O'Brien, Brice Taylor and other whistleblowers exposing the mind control and unspeakable tortures being forced upon children and civilians by the military on behalf of the goals of Luciferian World Government.
As a person of high rank in "The Organization," Carolyn has seen and experienced Satanic horrors, and knows many details of "The Plan" to bring on the Antichrist and the NWO that she has been divulging in television and radio broadcasts and in her own writings”
Audio Interview

[link to www.theedgeam.com] interviews/Carolyn_Hamlett_08. 25.12.mp3


9) Chris Everard on the occult use of hallucinogens to access demonic energy:
[link to www.youtube.com] v=Chjz0lRAyFI&feature=related

a) Explains why and how hallucinogens are used by sorcerers who really run things, to access and manipulate demonic energy.
b) John Dee was the original 007--I thought this was cool!
c) All his vids are worth a look, though he has no apparent take on Jesus Christ.


10) Johanna Michaelsen - someone who was heavily involved in working with shamanism and being a medium also has an interesting story...

[link to www.youtube.com]

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a) was born with special abilities
b) was being groomed to take over position with famous shamanic healer in mexico
c) took part in many amazing healing sessions performing brain surgeries and other amazing feats
d) concluded that it was demonic energy healing people (see Roger Morneau for how this is possible)
e) was even fooled by false Christ (see Carolyn Hamlett) and finally determined the only way for someone like her to eliminate the demonic was to study and follow rules layed out in Bible.

11) Dave Hunt has some interesting research on the origins of the push for yoga, new agism, etc... the history of yoga I thought interesting that it was developed to tune the body to communicate with other-dimensional hindu "gods" aka demons, again...

[link to www.youtube.com]


13) Randall Baer's extensive New Age experience echos the same again:

[link to www.youtube.com] v=QDvZUq4uBL8

14) The Net - The Unabomber. LSD and the Internet

a) the connections a German documentary make on how the decision to permeate our culture with hallucinogens, from the highest levels of TPTB, especially from scientific and arts culture.
b) unabomber to this day denies making bombs
c) unabomber took part in mind-control program at Harvard.
d) The interviews of famous intellectuals and artists who helped usher in the internet and the enslaving technocracy are funny and surprising.
e) shows that reality is what we make it, literally
f) God gives us a free-will and right now that is being manipulated by evil forces towards “end times.”

[link to www.youtube.com] v=doQAwLb-DEE

15) Jesuit Sorcerer history: [link to be] foreitsnews.com/alternative/2012/09/hidden-truth-jesuit-vatic​an-connection-to-the-unfolding-2012-new-world-order-agenda-2-​2469282.html

a) Appears to be well-researched article on the pervasive control of the jesuit order and how the only force that has been successful against these dark sorcerers is Protestant, real Christ believers, with a Bible and a gun.
b) Personally, it seems to be too late for a gun, though I am not in any way for gun control, but people might be better served just with Jesus Christ and a Bible given the modern weapons available to tptb now.
c) Youtube for more on this: Ex Jesuit Alberto Rivera and others Speak on Jesuit infiltration
d) the above, plus John Todd, Jordan Maxwell, Carolyn Hamlett, etc, all say churches given bad rap (Jordan says Churches are corrupted) by infiltration and other than Jordan they are saying this is by design to lead people away from spiritual power of Jesus Christ.


16) Professor Walter Veith on Supernatural and Evolution v. Creationism

[link to www.youtube.com]
[link to www.youtube.com]

a) Start with his testimony--supernatural conflict brings on new understanding...
b) see all his well-documented lectures on Evolution and how the vatican has an agenda to make Sunday the official NWO religious day of worship, soon to be mandated.


17) Ken Peters - Visions for End Times

[link to www.youtube.com]

a) buckle your seat belts for this one
b) very prophetic--not sure what it means.
c) hope it doesn't happen--we are responsible.


18) All of the Youtube vids from The Prophesy Club are very telling and thorough. The Jesus Christ followers seem to me to be the most well-researched, radical and sincere of all the info on the net.

19) Music Industry and Hollywood as satanic

a) aside from John Todd, we have a clear pattern on youtube of satanisms pervasive influence, the worst for me being clear signs that Bob Dylan and John Lennon sold their souls for fame. (see 60 minutes interview w Bob Dylan sold soul)

[link to www.youtube.com]

b) This rabbit hole sadly covers most of the industry and artists I used to love
I still listen to and watch certain art forms, but it is clear there is a problem and I now prefer classical music. :)

20) Caryl Matrisciana- Spiritual Warfare

[link to www.youtube.com]

a) Grew up in India
b) Deception through new terms and “new-think” that seem reasonable
c) all cultures around the world based on the reality of the supernatural
d) Aum as the void out of which the word of God created;
altruistic love of Jesus Christ different from other religions in India, specifically, where religion, more than in West, serve as a means of oppression of truth and spirit; caste system.
Jesus to rule in Jerusalem - reason for its importance globally.
Eastern arts, yoga-->”giving up your mind-->designed to waken the snake/commune w demon energy--> self-oriented. “Yolk with braman energy.”
Anyone who does not agree with New Age/NWO?UN/satanic religion will be rounded up as part of the problem.
The New Age science is designed to prove “we are all one” so that the part of us that is perceived as bad can be rounded up into FEMA camps.

nytimes on Yoga and philandering (more ego)
[link to www.nytimes.com]


21) short clip--CSPAN, ufos & a false flag future--Rep. John Haller, PA


[link to www.youtube.com]

22) Earthquake Kelly

a) the voodoo supernatural
b) being groomed to advise the president of Haiti
c) asked to sell his soul in exchange for supernatural abilities
d) experienced a “hell”
e) got out through Jesus Christ
f) saw giant angels protecting Christ followers from demons

23) Bill Cooper - all his vids explain part of the picture

a) concluded that the ufos were not from other planets - alien hoax coming... to usher in NWO one world govt.

[link to www.youtube.com]

Thread: John Lear may be wrong about Christ (Page 8)

Guess this means we are going to have to have a Dr. Bell day...

:)

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Gonna post this again... this vid is loaded w very verboten stuff...

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"we literally co-create our world and have a responsibility to harmonize with the God of the universe" paraphrase...

God gives us free-will and has made us a place where we can co-create... Jesus Christ gives us the best model for how we should do this...

:)

"Dr. Nick Begich--discovered that the govt. has FIA docs speaking to satellite-based tech w frequencies effecting the minds of every person on the planet."

brain entrainment... that might explain a lot...

:)

since you are unable to articulate while in deep sleep phase,i assume there is more to it than simple articulation,
He said i am the way and the life,not my name is the life,

but the name Has as much power as you give it,and we know how much glory we ought to give to God...

nevertheless my point is it is not about pronunciation,but state of heart and mind...

"Love our God with all our hearts and all our souls and love our brothers and sisters as we love ourselves..."

sounds like a plan for a pretty cool reality!

:)

But the most important thing is why God announced Himself in that manner and what can His holy name mean and be in our lives

amen to that brother,strive with God and don't fight your lusts alone,
let the spirit of God be your weapon and shield

consciousness of humility, belief and love for God and Jesus Christ...

"Splenda is chlorinated sugar"

"all diet drinks super toxic--fry your neurons and dna..."

Dr. Deagle and Dr. Bell:

[link to video.google.com]

Is it mentioned in the bible?

Yes > it is of god
No > it is demons

now they are talking about man-made viruses designed to reduce pops and force everyone to have rfid chips to monitor where everyone is--excuse is to try to control the spread of the disease...

hegelian WHO

UN is ancient word for "satan"

:)

This is probably a safe way to live, but for someone like me, I like to understand the creation a bit more... this is what I like about science, the occult and new age, etc... you can learn about how God creates and harmonizes...

it is tricky, because you can empower yourself through this stuff, but we need to always know that God is in control and if its out time to go nothing will keep you here but if God needs to use you for his harvest, nothing can tough you...

understanding and living by this in a humble manner is empowering enough...

:)

"Depleted Uranium is eating away the Van Allen Radiation Belt...."

"DU is DNA landmines"

"cancer cannot exist without heavy metals and viruses..."

I don't think the rfid is the mark o beast...

bible says cannot buy or sell without it...

Ken Peters prophesy says we need massive earthquake first... plus someone who looks a lot better than the dudes we have currently running for prez...

people like Bell and Deagle and even Lear, represent consciousnesses that cause the "end times" scenario to be pushed back...

but everything is being put in place and Ken Peters visions point to anytime... after this next prez...

unless the next prez finds someone truly magnetic and places them in one of the highest posts, like sec. def...

:)

cancer is actually the bodies adaptation to keep you alive--without it a virus or toxin it could not handle would simply kill you... you can live with cancer for quite a while... long enough to heal yourself...

:)

This is probably a safe way to live, but for someone like me, I like to understand the creation a bit more... this is what I like about science, the occult and new age, etc... you can learn about how Mega Banks creates and harmonizes...

it is tricky, because you can empower yourself through this stuff, but we need to always know that Mega Banks are in control and if its out time to go nothing will keep you here but if a Mega Bank needs to use you for its harvest, nothing can touch you...

understanding and living by this in a humble manner is empowering enough...

>:D

Time travel for Jesus Christ's blood...Duncan Cameron and Al Bielek: the NWO sent Duncan back to collect a blood sample from Christ on the cross... planning to fake a second coming??

When Duncan goes back, Jesus says to him: "I know who you are." and gives him permission to take a sample...

youtube: Al Bielek talks about Duncan Cameron

[link to youtu.be]

minute 1hr 5 minutes--fascinating... they went for a blood sample--Duncan was very arrogant until this experience seeing Christ "look through him"

when Duncan returned he had changed and then decided the Montauk Project was evil after this encounter... and convinced the others to end it... and with Preston's knowledge, they did...

:)

manifest destiny

[link to youtu.be]

Personal 911 footage set to a song I wrote and performed with a friend while living in NYC in the aftermath of the tragedy...

According to mathematician Kurt Godel, within every formal logical system there are problems not solvable nor conclusively determinable.*

Metaphysicist Heinz von Foerster states that the first root of the word "science" is "sci," which is an Indo-European word for "separation." He further states that in this reality there is simply too much information for any theory to be absolutely correct. Science and mathematics is actually a poem written by self-interested parties towards certain goals, by creating systems (to over-come the separation of science) and by promoting them with media. This is why Quantum Physics requires a vacuum and Planck's Constant, that do not actually exist anywhere and why scientists continually make up new particles and theories to justify the dominant paradigm. *

The theory of Evolution is another example of this, as it is a poem designed to make us believe we must and should compete with each other, when that was not the loving design originally intended by God and Christ's teachings. See Walter Veith's extensive videos explaining the absurdities inherent in the science of evolution. 911 is the epitome of this kind of poem, writ large for the masses, yet obviously not what we were told it was. If anything, it should be called "survival of those who cooperate the best."

I first showed this video piece at Louise Bourgeois' Salon in NYC. I did not understand it at the time, but it is an expression of the madness of modern society and culture that has become increasingly Godless and mis-directed by demonic supernatural forces (as can be seen in the smoke itself when the towers collapsed--this is well documented by others). It is also an expression of the profundity of God-given free will. Within the incredible design of this reality there is both intelligence and infinite potential. Our reality can be anything we want it to be under God's laws. The current technocratic poem being written by self-interested elitist people does not reflect Christ, but a supernatural demonic desire to control God's creation and enslave humanity.**

God is in control, and gives us free will to choose Him or not--this is "the harvest" and true purpose of existence here. Yet God allows the horrors of tragedies like 911, in essence, because we do. This is why the untruth is so self-evident in terms of the "poem" of the media story of 911: the truth controlling us must be put out and we must agree to it, for it to continue. It is the abyss gazing back at us when we turn away from God.

*see: The Net - The Unabomber. LSD and the Internet to understand this;
**as well, see: Roger Morneau, Mark Cleminson and Carolyn Hamlett, among others, who speak of this supernatural plan to control humanity and how and why events are unfolding as they are in ways that do not serve us.

911 bike ride

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On September 11, 2001, I awoke to the Fedex man ringing my buzzer. It was around 9 am and the world already knew that something horrible was happening downtown at the World Trade Center.

I lived about 1.5 miles from the WTC, as the crow flies, and my first inkling something was going on was when the Fedex man gave me my package and he mumbled hurriedly: "You're lucky" as he turned to hurry back down the hall towards the door.

I asked him what he meant and he said: "Haven't you heard? A plane hit the towers downtown."

Being a long-time resident of NYC, I knew that the Empire State Building had been hit by a plane in its past and that aside from one or two deaths, it was a minor event, though historically significant. As someone who loved NYC and often documented things i encountered, especially in the arts, I grabbed my camera and rode down to the site to get some footage. As soon as I got outside I sensed something very odd and by the time I hit China town a few blocks from my apt., I began to shoot video to try to capture what I was experiencing...

This video basically captures this bike ride. I only learned later that by the time I got close enough to take video of the second tower, the first had just fallen. It was unfathomable to consider that this had happened and anyway, I took comfort in the familiarity of being behind the camera capturing what was going on. It was a truly apocalyptic feeling. I have only recently been able to grasp the true implications of that day and the separation from God that it truly represents.

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