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Hi all,

as someone who has been turning over the different angles of this reality for quite some time, I thought John Lear might be right about basic ETs running things. To my logical mind it made perfect sense.

However, something else, perhaps less mechanistic, caused me to keep pushing and looking under every rock.

A few things I have found in favor of a very GLP take that Jesus Christ did exist:

1) Al Bielek and Preston Nichols both seem to agree that Christ did exist. Nichols actually says that the Montauk Program tried to take samples of Christ's blood by going back in time, but according to them, whoever came into contact with it basically became altruistic, so it didn't work. I thought this was hilarious.

2) Basiago--another supposed time-traveler concurs that Jesus Christ existed.

So time travelers seem to agree: Jesus Christ did come and was sacrificed on the cross and it was a profound experience for humanity.

3) New BBC documentary, among others, now say the supposed Carbon test was faulty and there is evidence that there were shenanigans from the start, in terms of who oversaw the cloth sample taken.

4) Insiders, from former satanists to former illuminati say Jesus Christ existed and that the New Age is basically a Luciferian conspiracy.

see: Roger Morneau 1946; Mark Cleminson, Carolyn Hamlett, John Todd, etc for more on this angle

5) MUFON researchers have been covering up the fact that there are over 400 cases where calling on the name of Christ and becoming a person who follows Jesus Christ (as opposed to many "Christians") can resolve and eliminate the phenomenon.

Here's some basic places to look:


youtube the following:

1) John Todd
2) Lucifer's Children
3) "former satanist shows everyday occultism"

4) The UFO phenomenon explained by MUFON researcher who claims that calling on Christ to alleviate the abduction phenomenon not only works, but is being covered up:

[link to vimeo.com]

some of the top researchers such as Jaque Vallee and J Allen Hyneck were convinced the phenomenon was demonic/other dimensional...

5) "former illuminati" generally and Mark Cleminson specifically...

6) Roger Morneau--great guy, amazing story!


7) another former illuminati's experience--and another example of what appear to be 'rules':

[link to www.youtube.com] v=h63iNa0BcrQ


8) Recent BBC documentary on new evidence for the Shroud of Turin-=-there are a few good docs on this now worth seeing and questioning, especially now that they admit the carbon dating was shite:

[link to www.youtube.com] v=dr9_v5A4a2w


9) Carolyn Hamlett is a survivor from generational Illuminist bloodlines, spared and delivered from its hold on her mind and life by her faith in God. Carolyn is a former "multi-generational server" in the Illuminati. She provides further evidence that humanity is the victim of a long-term satanic conspiracy that is entering its final stage. "I have known "The Plan" since I was a small child and have seen it carried out just as I was told it would be....It has been a very slow process to get people to the point where common sense is not so common."
She joins the ranks of Svali, Cathy O'Brien, Brice Taylor and other whistleblowers exposing the mind control and unspeakable tortures being forced upon children and civilians by the military on behalf of the goals of Luciferian World Government.
As a person of high rank in "The Organization," Carolyn has seen and experienced Satanic horrors, and knows many details of "The Plan" to bring on the Antichrist and the NWO that she has been divulging in television and radio broadcasts and in her own writings
Audio Interview

[link to www.theedgeam.com] interviews/Carolyn_Hamlett_08. 25.12.mp3


10) Chris Everard on the occult use of hallucinogens to access demonic energy:
[link to www.youtube.com] v=Chjz0lRAyFI&feature=related


11) Johanna Michaelsen - someone who was heavily involved in working with shamanism and being a medium also has an interesting story..

12) Dave Hunt has some interesting research on the origins of the push for yoga, new agism, etc... the history of yoga I thought interesting that it was developed to tune the body to communicate with other-dimensional hindu "gods" aka demons, again...

13) Randall Baer's experience echos the same again:

[link to www.youtube.com] v=QDvZUq4uBL8

14) lastly, the connections a German documentary make on how the decision to permeate our culture with hallucinogens, from the highest levels of TPTB:

[link to www.youtube.com] v=doQAwLb-DEE

and read: [link to ] be for eitsnews .com/alternative/2012/09/hidden-truth-jesuit-vatican-connecti​on-to-the-unfolding-2012-new-world-order-agenda-2-2469282.htm​l

That is all I have really found thus far, other than that my own personal experience reading the New Testament and praying has been pretty cool and I recommend it!

Cheers all!

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Hi Op! You supplied some very interesting links that I'm going to look up later when I get time. Thanks for all your work putting this together!

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Lear is correct.

All of your citations are based on history. Our history has always been and always will be tampered with by the current political, religious and scientific theories...not facts.

ET's flawlessly use religions, politics,philosophies, etc. as part of this type of planets' curriculum.

Through these completely ET controlled programs our individual souls are allowed to be validly tested by using our free will towards soul maturation.

ET has used this tried and truly perfected programming for billions+ years on millions of planets (Earth awareness level) in our galaxy and will continue to do so.

As ET allows more complex technology drips into our world (look at the last 100 years), the religion bit will eventually be exposed and gradually eliminated heading towards a more personalized individual responsibility/spiritual stage-- as is happening right now.

Hollywood got it wrong. Our controlling ET's are benevolent, Well they use some tough love drones and belings as devil's advocates to keep the playing field active and alive and honest. They watch over us as parents do with 5 year olds.

They do not need us, nor can we in anyway harm them...they created our human containers and this and many other Earthlike planets.

John may not explain this well, but who can..LOL!

Soul creation and placement is another story.
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Lear is correct.

All of your citations are based on history. Our history has always been and always will be tampered with by the current political, religious and scientific theories...not facts. Lots of industry, military, big corporation have had ET intervention...most invovled are not aware.

ET's flawlessly use religions, politics,philosophies, etc. as part of this type of planets' curriculum.

Through these completely ET controlled programs our individual souls are allowed to be validly tested by using our free will towards soul maturation. Of course, our memories are wiped clean by ET (with or without our permission)--depending on why individually we are subjected to this 3D exsistence. It all perfectly dovetails and there is no randomness nor accidents or coincidences...blows ones mind that ET could be so omnicient...they are.

ET has used this tried and truly perfected programming for billions+ years on millions of planets (At this Earth awareness level) in our galaxy and will continue to do so.

The vast majority of existance is aware of our 3D nursery and our reasons for being put here or choosing to be here..."everything I ever learned happened in kindergarden...?

As our family of ET allows more complex technology drips into our 3D world (look at the last 100 years), the religion bit will eventually be exposed and gradually eliminated heading towards a more personalized individual responsibility/spiritual stage-- as is happening right now.

We are all part of a great gift of existance...repeating an earth sentence for many of us is not ideal--but perfectly normal and part of the soul maturation plan for this galaxy/group of souls.

Hollywood got it wrong. Our controlling ET's are benevolent.

Well they use some tough love drones and belings as devil's advocates to keep individual souls on this playing field active and alive and honest. They watch over us as parents do with 5 year olds.

They do not need us, nor can we in anyway harm them...they created our human containers on this and many other Earthlike planets. This is their job, love, creation and part of their work. Each of us human being containers has a soul that is never alone. Our ET guardians will seamlessly create situations that give us what our free will asks for.
Good or bad...well, they do not see a good/bad thing, just a soul maturation process towards a better more fulfilling existance.

John may not explain this well, but who can..LOL!

Soul creation and its placement is another story.
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Lear is correct.

All of your citations are based on history. Our history has always been and always will be tampered with by the current political, religious and scientific theories...not facts.

ET's flawlessly use religions, politics,philosophies, etc. as part of this type of planets' curriculum.

Through these completely ET controlled programs our individual souls are allowed to be validly tested by using our free will towards soul maturation.

ET has used this tried and truly perfected programming for billions+ years on millions of planets (Earth awareness level) in our galaxy and will continue to do so.

As ET allows more complex technology drips into our world (look at the last 100 years), the religion bit will eventually be exposed and gradually eliminated heading towards a more personalized individual responsibility/spiritual stage-- as is happening right now.

Hollywood got it wrong. Our controlling ET's are benevolent, Well they use some tough love drones and belings as devil's advocates to keep the playing field active and alive and honest. They watch over us as parents do with 5 year olds.

They do not need us, nor can we in anyway harm them...they created our human containers and this and many other Earthlike planets.

John may not explain this well, but who can..LOL!

Soul creation and placement is another story.
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Thanks Allegro, I'm working on explaining it better. With your help I am further ahead.
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Hi,

I am the OP.

Yes, I have certainly been aware of John Allegros excellent work and have been an artist and entheogen lover for many years!

However, when you research the former luciferians and satanists, they say it is a luciferian trap--in fact the entire new age is just a deception.

I have gone back and forth on this, but I think it is quite telling that even Lou Baldin aka "sleeper" is raising his children as Christ followers. He even says it can't hurt, as his explanation. I would postulate that he may have doubts.

As for NDEs--the operative term is "near death" and we cannot know until we see it for ourselves, but based on personal experience and research, I think, like Lou himself, it is safer and smarter to follow Christ.

Another great link on debunking Evolution is Professor Walter Veith, former evolutionist turned creationist. You would have to be worse than the worst never read a book, let alone the bible, zealot, to believe in the faith of evolution. Veith makes wonderful biblically-based arguments using science's own absurdities. Doesn't surprise me, as most supposed experts are on what I call a "demon tit" of grants, tenure and do what they told.

Veith lecture:

[link to www.youtube.com]

All of his lectures are well researched and entertaining!
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I noticed that one of the best links explaining the agenda from the highest levels of govt. to get us all hooked on hallucinogens and COMPUTERS.. hmmm
the hallucinogens, according to Chris Everard, are used to open us up to demonic possession--I have to concur I have seen this. It also servd to destroy the current paradigm so they could get us all hooked up to a technocratic slave system soon to be unfolded. The noose is already on our necks, they just need to tighten it... oops!

youtube: "The Net - The Unabomber. LSD and the Internet"
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It is also quite telling that no one gets out of the secret orders but through Jesus Christ.

You all need to see Roger Morneau's testimony.
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John Lear's statements have always fascinated me, along with sleepers accounts. It really captures your imagination.

But deep in my heart I know that the Lord Jesus did, and does exist.

No matter what "smart" people tells me to believe, or should believe, my mind is my own.

I am not a Bible scholar or Zealot. Far from it. I'm just a regular guy, that believes that there is a God who is the Father and an after life.
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Hi All,

Since my links are not working well, I wanted to lay some of it out for other researchers:


1)John Todd--

a)former high-level witch and illuminati
says that they run the show, have more money than they know what to do with.
b)they will destroy economy or any company whenever they want--money no option. Rothchilds at top communing direct w lucifer.
c)Salem witch trials was actually one group of witches getting rid of another and Christians who were meeting to pray--Christians who pray obstruct the ability of witches to conjure and manipulate demons (see #2 below)
d)we can deduce that the persecution of cathars and the inquisitions and other witch burning pandemics may have had similar roots
ufos are demonic (even U.S. govt. w craft it could be argued, are simply occultists working wittingly or not to bring in “end times.”
e)interesting that William Bramley found historic ufo sightings before every major outbreak of the plague in middle ages AND hovering above the vatican.

2)Lucifer's Children

a)former Vietnam vet--compelling story about how satanists work and why he converted to Christ.

3) "former satanist shows everyday occultism"

a) another former satanist with lots of interesting aspects to above points

4) The UFO phenomenon explained by MUFON researcher Joseph Jordan who claims that calling on Christ to alleviate the abduction phenomenon not only works, but is being covered up.

a)The family showcased at the end have been repeatedly mentioned on A&E Channel without ever mentioning that they are now healed of the abusive abduction phenomenon that plagued them.

b) It seems likely that there are many ways we can open ourselves up to demonic energies, especially when we do not follow rules of the bible or know about the occult knowledge. The latter is not fool-proof as the wisest man in the bible, Solomon, fell prey to his own hubris and the tales of former satanists and witches, etc are quite telling and similar: Jesus Christ is the only way out.

c) the ways to open ourselves up to demonic are all consciousness-based, ultimately, but include films, tv, music, mind-altering substances (I say this as a person who loves herb, but have stopped smoking), etc... Herb is probably a medicine that even Terrance McKenna said was abused by most and should only be used once a week, ideally.

[link to vimeo.com]

d) some of the top researchers such as Jaque Vallee and J Allen Hyneck were convinced the phenomenon was demonic/other dimensional...

5) "former illuminati" generally and Mark Cleminson specifically... 

a) He was born into an illuminati family, was schooled by jesuits in special schools in Nepal and learned to meditate (open self to demonic energy), levitate and gain psychic abilities the illuminati and IBM specifically were planning to use him for bringing in the NWO and “end times.”
b) His story is very interesting, mirrors former satanists and exposes the New Age religions.
c) Again, Jesus Christ the only way out and he literally had to confront death when the order tried to get him back.
d) Great example of the spiritual rules that really exist and run things here.

6) Roger Morneau--great guy, amazing story!

a) Maybe one of the best “former secret societies” stories and probably the oldest on video record.
b) He got involved in 1946 and had many supernatural experiences
they used fear to compel members to “initiate”
c) He gives great back-story to the luciferian plan and how old it really is.
d) more insight into New Age religion being a luciferian trap.
e) Explains the three basic classes of “fallen angels” and how they confuse and manipulate us.
f) escaped certain death through Jesus Christ.


7) Recent BBC documentary on new evidence for the Shroud of Turin.

a) there are a few good docs on this now worth seeing and questioning, especially now that they admit the carbon dating was shite.
b) other researchers have uncovered that even the men involved in the original test were biased against the Shroud.
c) One of the men involved was found to have requested cloth from middle ages similar to the Shroud.
d) The other forensics on this are amazing and entertaining.

[link to www.youtube.com] v=dr9_v5A4a2w


8) Carolyn Hamlett is a survivor from generational Illuminist bloodlines, spared and delivered from its hold on her mind and life by her faith in God. Carolyn is a former "multi-generational server" in the Illuminati. She provides further evidence that humanity is the victim of a long-term satanic conspiracy that is entering its final stage. "I have known "The Plan" since I was a small child and have seen it carried out just as I was told it would be....It has been a very slow process to get people to the point where common sense is not so common." 
She joins the ranks of Svali, Cathy O'Brien, Brice Taylor and other whistleblowers exposing the mind control and unspeakable tortures being forced upon children and civilians by the military on behalf of the goals of Luciferian World Government. 
As a person of high rank in "The Organization," Carolyn has seen and experienced Satanic horrors, and knows many details of "The Plan" to bring on the Antichrist and the NWO that she has been divulging in television and radio broadcasts and in her own writings
Audio Interview

[link to www.theedgeam.com] interviews/Carolyn_Hamlett_08. 25.12.mp3


9) Chris Everard on the occult use of hallucinogens to access demonic energy:
[link to www.youtube.com] v=Chjz0lRAyFI&feature=related 

a) Explains why and how hallucinogens are used by sorcerers who really run things, to access and manipulate demonic energy.
b) John Dee was the original 007--I thought this was cool!
c) All his vids are worth a look, though he has no apparent take on Jesus Christ.


10) Johanna Michaelsen - someone who was heavily involved in working with shamanism and being a medium also has an interesting story..

a) was born with special abilities
b) was being groomed to take over position with famous shamanic healer in mexico
c) took part in many amazing healing sessions
d) concluded that it was demonic energy healing people (see Roger Morneau for how this is possible)
e) was even fooled by false Christ (see Carolyn Hamlett) and finally determined the only way for someone like her to eliminate the demonic was to study and follow rules layed out in Bible.

11) Dave Hunt has some interesting research on the origins of the push for yoga, new agism, etc... the history of yoga I thought interesting that it was developed to tune the body to communicate with other-dimensional hindu "gods" aka demons, again...

13) Randall Baer's extensive New Age experience echos the same again: 

[link to www.youtube.com] v=QDvZUq4uBL8

14) The Net - The Unabomber. LSD and the Internet

a) the connections a German documentary make on how the decision to permeate our culture with hallucinogens, from the highest levels of TPTB, especially from scientific and arts culture.
b) unabomber to this day denies making bombs
c) unabomber took part in mind-control program at Harvard.
d) The interviews of famous intellectuals and artists who helped usher in the internet and the enslaving technocracy are funny and surprising.
e) shows that reality is what we make it, literally
f) God gives us a free-will and right now that is being manipulated by evil forces towards “end times.”

[link to www.youtube.com] v=doQAwLb-DEE

15) Jesuit Sorcerer history: Mis-spelled on purpose:   [link to be] for eits news.com/alternative/2012/09/hidden-truth-jesuit-vatican-conn​ection-to-the-unfolding-2012-new-world-order-agenda-2-2469282​.html

a) Appears to be well-researched article on the pervasive control of the jesuit order and how the only force that has been successful against these dark sorcerers is Protestant, real Christ believers, with a Bible and a gun.
b) I would say it is too late for a gun, people might be better served just with Jesus Christ and a Bible.
c) Youtube for more on this: Ex Jesuit Alberto Rivera and others Speak on Jesuit infiltration
d) the above, plus John Todd, Jordan Maxwell, Carolyn Hamlett, etc, all say churches given bad rap buy infiltration and design to lead people away from Jesus Christ.


16) Professor Walter Veith on Supernatural and Evolution v. Creationism

a) Start with his testimony
b) see all his well-documented lectures on how the Evolution is shite and the vatican has an agenda to make Sunday the official NWO religious day of worship.


17) Ken Peters - Visions for End Times

a) buckle your seat belts for this one
b) very prophetic--hope it doesn't happen--we are responsible.


18)All of the Youtube vids from The Prophesy Club are very telling and thorough. The Jesus Christ followers seem to me to be the most well-researched, radical and sincere of all the info on the net.

19) Music Industry and Hollywood as satanic

a) aside from John Todd, we have a clear pattern on youtube of satanisms pervasive influence, the worst for me being clear signs that Bob Dylan and John Lennon sold their souls for fame. (see 60 minutes interview w Bob Dylan sold soul)
b) This rabbit hole sadly covers most of the industry and artists I used to love
c) I still listen to and watch certain art forms, but it is clear there is a problem and I now prefer classical music. :)


If you look at all of the above it seems hard to believe that Lou Baldin/Sleeper is not being fooled.

Could that be why he is raising his children as Christ-followers?

I wonder what would happen if Lou became a Christian?? Would his "contacts" be eliminated??

Lou is the only one who can find this out for us.

hfhfhf
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p.s. Thank you Mercyme!

It isn't called "ok grace" it's called amazing grace! :)

what does ET think? what? I didn't hear that...

For the others who postulate that ET/higher dimensional beings can do anything I would say, for me, intelligent design indicates intelligent designer... ET just another level... a "Principality" ...

also see Carolyn Hamlett youtubes for more on role of greys...

I would really like to get Lou with some Adventists like Veith and see if the phenomenon continues for him...

Logic tells me that there is a God over everybody and it is ultimately His show, not Et's...

As well, according to John and Lou, following Christ would be just another way towards living without envy, hate or greed... plus living WITH a few other virtues that might only enhance the afterlife...

careful looking into the links in the list show clearly that Christianity has been infiltrated by evil folks... but you can read the New Testament and follow Jesus Christ pretty easily without the distortion...

I do not belong to any church, for example, but I do think reading about Jesus Christ and knowing his wisdom might be important.

Cheers!
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Amen Brother...!!!!

Jesus Christ is the truth...!!!!!

I agree with what you've said. Not because you've said it but because of my personal relationship and faith with and in GOD.

Jesus Christ is The King of Kings and The Lord of Lords. And He is good.

GOD is real.
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As they say: "the flesh is weak"

I needed proofs! I do feel bad about that a little, but I think others may be in the same boat...

So maybe God is just using me to give people another path to truth??

it may also be helpful for Christ followers to know about this stuff, as I would not have listened to anyone who said all they needed was faith!

Now you have some stats, yo...

Peace to you, bro!
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some more thoughts: Enoch

what I found quite interesting about what I have read about the Book of Enoch, aside from the fact that he doesn't die, is that according to him, the Nephilim/giants are now the demons of today.

Energetically, one thing that occurs to me is: lucifer was created by God as perfect, we are told. Reminds me of HAL in Kubrick's 2001. Something goes wrong.

God saw that and chose to use it to make more perfect spirit energy for His Kingdom: ones with learned humility and wisdom.

So now lucifer serves a useful purpose: helping him choose the weeds from the wheat.

The Book of Enoch echos this in the sense that rather than destroy the mutated spirit energy of the Giants, he chose to keep them in the other dimension w lucifer and minions, again, to separate those who would follow Him with learned humility and wisdom, from those who choose a more self-oriented path.

John and Lou appear to me to be humble kind and cool dudes... but is their an energetic spirit of rebellion in them? Maybe. If so, we are back to distorted spirit energy.

Learned wisdom and humility requires a degree of sophistication--sort of like "turning the other cheek."

Something I have not always been good at myself.
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great stuff op. do you have any comment on the nobody/return of christ?
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Amen Brother...!!!!

Jesus Christ is the truth...!!!!!

I agree with what you've said. Not because you've said it but because of my personal relationship and faith with and in GOD.

Jesus Christ is The King of Kings and The Lord of Lords. And He is good.

GOD is real.
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God or Gods are real. There are many and they created us and our earthly situations as well as religions as props to help our individual souls mature.

Jesus was a fable and a Constantine construct to unify the Holy Roman Empire as it had many factions, sects,etc.

King of kings, Lord of Lords, Duke of Dukes, Earl of Earls...sort of lets you see what era this line of thought comes from...middle aged propaganda and false history.
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If you haven't listened to Carolyn Hamlett, she's a good place to start. That is basically covered, IMHO, along w David dIcke, et al, as "end times" false prophets...

these people always sound good, but to me, classic "false prophets."

BTW--this is so easy for tptb to manufacture now and we should think of these people as victims, IMO, rather than purposeful deceivers.

Dido, Lou Baldin.

I actually learn a lot from these false prophets, so I would recommend them! :) They are always given some cool info to make them enticing... this is their principle flaw, IMO, as they educate us all!

John Lear is a legend and a great guy and he has tons of great knowledge that can be used for the argument I am making. How else could he have survived all the crap he has gone through working for the people he has and doing the stuff he has done?

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Alegro, my brother,

I hear you! But another great man said: "For him who has ears to hear, let him hear."

Think about those words and read the New Testament.

AND pray to God for understanding. In all of your searches--and believe me there are very few rocks I have not looked under, have you bothered to exercise your God-given free-will to say: "If there is a God, please show me!"

So simple, but if we don't use our free-will God will often do nothing.

Then you have to be honest with yourself about what the answer is, because it can come in different forms.

Keep asking...
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As well, eventually I might talk about my own personal experience, which has helped me tremendously, in terms of the understanding I have...

I strongly suspect being used, much like the "Nobody" etc...

Shadow people in my childhood, for one...
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Back to my bro Allegro,

have you read the history on Hannibal?

Have you read William Bramley's "Gods of Eden?"

History has been strongly manipulated and distorted. I would be very cautious about basing my whole philosophy on this type of info.

But you can find good stuff that illustrates this: Hannibal, for example, was guided by an "angel" and visions of a snake...

I was rather disappointed to find this out, as I always loved a good tactician and the battle of Cannae is one of the best battles ever fought, in terms of an out-numbered army defeating a superior force in a horrific yet eloquent manner...

now I suspect Hannibal was "guided" most of the time...

so we are back to "Sleeper" again...

I find the intense first-person stories of many of the links I have posted to be more like "boots on the ground" to this conjecture...

Check out Carolyn Hamlett, MArk Cleminson and especially, Roger Morneau for this.

There is some major deception going on. Are we so sure it is ET and not lucifer and the principalities talked about in the Bible?

Everyone on my list says it is the latter. No one says the former, only Lou.

You might ask yourself: Why does Mark Cleminson's father call him and say not to step out of the shadow of God or he will be killed?

We need to be spiritually smart and play by the rules. No one is saying stand under ETs shadow, yo...
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This should be super-pinned. The truth needs to get out there.
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Here is some personal info based on a letter I wrote to Henrik at Red Ice I have edited it a bit...

(btw-it seems to me that all the alternative sites are controlled to some degree--and they all have a bias, wittingly or not, IMHO):

H,

If you listen to what Matt Todd has to say in this video Bases 4 Part 1 James Casbolt. & Matt Todd( [link to www.youtube.com] it is one of the most startling things I have ever uncovered, both generally and within myself. He basically says that there is a program whereby our etheric bodies are being used as super soldiers to assassinate and perform missions. He also says specifically that "pot heads" and drug users generally are the "soldiers". I would bet you anything he would say that part of the programing is for the users to use.

When I was a child, I had many weeks of horrible nightmares, during which times I don't remember much, but I do remember "shadow people" and they looked exactly how they are portrayed. When I first saw them in crop circles I still couldn't believe it. I have begun to suspect that I was somehow programmed during that time. I now know this is a generational thing, as my mother had the same thing when she was a child.

After seeing the Matt Todd interview, I realized something that I vaguely suspected: that i was being used on a level most of us would rather not think about. Not only have a spent more money smoking chronic than anyone I know, thus smoking more than anyone I know, but I have many dreams whereby I can only describe them as assignments. Long taxing dreams, most of which I would not remember, but still the feeling of them was intense, exhilarating and exhausting. I have also had OBEs where I saw the plane go down in Queens after 911, for example, in real time--I know this because my friend called me right after it happened and I had just seen it happen in my dream, as real as any real.

I remember specifically assassinating people, performing super-human feats, working with shamans in s. america, etc... as recently as within the last year.

I always considered them just dreams until I saw Matt Todd, but even that might not have been enough to convince me. What really made me seek this stuff out and start to put it together was my own personal experiences in real life. Smoking tons of hash in China just before Tian An Men, Drinking in excess every night in Berlin before the wall came down, AND then being on some of the most powerful hallucinogens available for weeks on end before during and after 911, and particularly, having been told the cia runs the whole substance game even back then (which I didn't care about, really--I just wanted to create and reflect the human condition as profoundly as possible.)

Some of the art I did after 911 was "conceptual street art." Me and a homeboy from Mexico City (he had been kicked out of Mexico City for graffiti) would party and then go out late at night (though I often worked in broad daylight with a shopping bag cuz I am white) and "work," as we called it. It really felt like work and I noticed when I treated it like work it was like I was invisible.

I was just trying t "get up" in the arts as far as I was concerned and knew people who were getting famous and successful all around me. I had no political agenda nor did I care much for anything other than making profound interesting art that I thought was unique and reflected the human condition.

I think they changed the laws in NYC because of what we did, because we were painting on city and private property, and until that time it was just a misdemeanor. After that, they made it a felony.

We were taking the motif of "POST NO BILLS" which was on every construction site, and changing it to PAY NO BILLS and PRAY FOR PILLS and then, (this is when the poop really hit the fan) OSAMA IS A BUSH.

We called ourselves "CORP!" and also would put up "VIVA CORP!" We put our tags up everywhere and believe me when I say, eventually the heat came down. We had to stop, eventually, and my life became a nightmare for a while... :)

Looking back, I always wondered how we got away with it as long as we did--though I think we took the official authorities by surprise in the months right after 911, IMO now knowing what I know, we basically ended up performing a few useful tasks for he sorcerers: 1) we contributed to the crazy terroristic energy at the time (though we were making fun of it); 2) we gave the authorities an excuse to crack down on free speech and conspiracy theories; 3) we let the authorities know what people were thinking ahead of the curve and created some of the curve ourselves and 4) Perhaps the most important of the bunch, we told the truth and put it out in a form that would not be taken seriously by most, as in magic the truth, according to spiritual laws and what I know about magic, it seems must always be put out.

All of this aside, I have asked myself over the last months, what is the one thing I am totally biased against: religion, and specifically Christianity. And what am I biased for: art and substance use. The trump in this is a desire for truth that is a requirement to make good art. The artist must create honest systems or make crap, IMHO. That was the glitch that got me out of where I was to where I am.

What is the one thing all of the brilliant minds of the world questioning the most: Christianity. Once I saw that the power of Jesus Christ may be real (MUFON researchers) and that there are people with advanced abilities far beyond my own (Mark Cleminson, Carolyn Hamlett, Johanna Michaelsen) who are saying what they think the game is: Lucifer or Christ, then I started to pray.

I am curious, so I wanted to see what it was like. It feels good. It feels powerful and safe. It feels right. The shadow of God is cool. I don't care about living forever in this 3D, I am more interested in what comes after and where I want to be. My wife likes to say the operative phrase in NDEs is "Near Death" and we will never know what comes after till we are there.

I always liked the idea of "service to others" and I still seek and want to know more, but now I do it as someone who reads the New Testament and prays to God in the way Roger Moreau indicates is the most powerful way--because he seems like someone who knows what's up.

I have quit substance use for now and I think this would have been impossible for someone like me without realizing the above. It all still seems contrived or planned somehow, but God gives us a free will and we have to exercise it or He will do nothing. Thems the rules, yo.

Peace,

C


p.s. the song I am attaching is a Hauscka mash-up (did I already send it?) I did about a year ago--at one point I sing: "We wait for assignment... traffic doesn't make a sound... they pick us up and bring us 'round... ahkenaten is in town..." I sing this to James Casbolt... I was of course, high when I wrote and performed this and the whole song was an accident, anyway, since my buddy sent me a Hauschka track for a listen and I thought it was his and that I was supposed to put down some vox, like usual... but it was telling to me, looking at it later...

I don't believe in coincidences.
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on another tip...

best most subversive and spiritually smart hip hop award should go to DMX--all Christ followers need to pray for this brother, as he is still wrestling w demons... but this song is what's up...

"Lord Give Me a Sign"

he got in trouble for this one... :)
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on another tip...

best most subversive and spiritually smart hip hop award should go to DMX--all Christ followers need to pray for this brother, as he is still wrestling w demons... but this song is what's up...

"Lord Give Me a Sign"

he got in trouble for this one... :)
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DISCERN--you rule! :) or rather Jesus Christ rules! but thanks!


When I was in college some crazy friends of mine who were avid hikers decided to go on a "mid-night hike" up one of the largest mountains in the Appallachians. It was the middle of January, subzero temps. and three feet or more of snow was on the ground.

They got me to go along with them, telling me it was going to be an easy hike. I saw them eating tons of pasta and they did offer me some, but I wasn't hungry. I didn't realize they were eating as prep for a very intense hike!

When we got there I realized what was going on, but for some reason I didn't bow out. I only had a cotton scarf for head gear and was wearing a vest and sweater. I was way underprepared!

The first 2 hours we were on cross-country skis, gradually going up, up , taking turns pushing through the deep snow.

Then we put on snow shoes for the actual ascent up pretty steep terrain.

I was in a bit of panic, but I did not have any options, now that we were in the middle of the woods in the middle of the night in subzero temps. It was sort of like deep sea diving and very dangerous. My friends were not the kind of dudes I could ask to go back with and by myself I wasn't even sure if I could make it back.

I remember just focusing on the next tree and then the next tree... just make it to the next tree, I would think, completely exhausted, my legs not wanting to move from weakness.

Suddenly, though I do not remember exactly when it happened, moving forward became effortless for me. Athletes call this "the wall," I think. I noticed the other dudes, who were in much better shape and preparedness than me, start to slow in the deep snow. I took the lead for the first time that night and maintained it right up the side of that mountain. In fact, so energetic was I that eventually I was ten minutes ahead of them all. At one point I lost my pole rock climbing up a pretty steep area and when they caught up to me I think I started to cool and get hypothermia--at least that is what they thought because they did not know I had broken through a wall and when I told them I felt great, just ten minuted from the top, we all turned back. I protested at first, but I had no idea what was happening to me--that such a state of energy existed that seemed so limitless.

Recently reading the prayer Jesus Christ teaches us to pray, "The Lord's Prayer," a prayer I used to say as a child at church without even thinking, I was struck the other day by the phrase: "Give us this day our daily bread.."

I suspect, that if we all learned to follow God's plan and design through Jesus Christ, rather than meditation or yoga, et al, which were designed to tune our bodies to Hindu "gods" and demons, God would provide everything for us, literally.

If you listen to Ken Peters prophesy or just read the new testament, these types of miracles were happening all the time. We have no idea what kind of power would unleash for all of humanity on earth if people practiced a true, Christ-centered walk and prayer to God.
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Another good one to add the the list:

Youtube: Ancient Aliens Debunked (Full Movie)


The fun thing about the whole deception is how easy it becomes to spot and how quickly it often dissipates when the light of day hits it.

Why doesn't Zacharia Sitchin site his sources, for example? This should make anyone a bit skeptical.

The people perpetrating the deception often brazenly lie. The bigger the lie, repeated often enough, becomes a strange form of truth.

History is littered with these misinformants.

It is still a bit shocking how ignorant and/or deceptive History Channel has been... but I think the people perpetrating this consider it as "entertainment" and like me, when I was making street art, are just trying to "get up." They do not consider that there is a supernatural realm manipulating them and those above them who likely worship these entities.
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Another brother who has done some amazing work but still seems to be off the mark is Graham Hancock.

I love his work and the ideas he presents, yet in the context of the links on the list I started this post with, it becomes clear that mostly Hancock has proven that the supernatural is real and populated by real beings who have amazing knowledge.

There is an interesting video on the levels of these entities posted by a man who thought he was following Jesus Christ and was a "good Christian."

He apparently had an NDE and was shown these levels. According to him they range in size and shape, from animal, to part animal to hideous to giant beautiful beings.

Youtube

If You're a Christian You BETTER WATCH THIS!!! PLACEBO


This echos Roger Morneau's testimony nicely and he also talks about being shown how these demon spirits manipulate us.

I think it is so funny that "the devil made me do it" is not so far from the truth. BUT it is comforting to know that God gives us a simple way out, through our own experience.

For those who think how could God be so cruel as to allow so many to be deceived, I would have to ask them: have you ever tended a garden?
Or bees. I have and losses are part of the gain.

We need more humility to really understand this. God wants wise humble servants who choose to be so from free-will understanding of why this must be so.
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4) The UFO phenomenon explained by MUFON researcher who claims that calling on Christ to alleviate the abduction phenomenon not only works, but is being covered up

I recently had a sleep paralysis, called on Jesus, and it immediately stopped.

My mom a Buddhist, also had one, called on Jesus, then saw him coming to her, extended his hand to her. She reached for it, and the paralysis stopped.

People who have abductions, will typically mention it being accompanied with sleep paralysis.
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And Allegro bro,

when you say:

"As ET allows more complex technology drips into our world (look at the last 100 years), the religion bit will eventually be exposed and gradually eliminated heading towards a more personalized individual responsibility/spiritual stage-- as is happening right now."

I have to wonder if you are so sure this "new age" really has a place for everyone.

True Christ-followers allow all and do not create technocratic means to enslave humanity.

You need to go through my list and watch on youtube:

The Police State Coming Soon - The Prophecy Club FULL LENGTH.avi
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The demonic realms, according to Morneau and others, are very envious of those of us who still have a choice.

They are using certain bloodlines and sellouts to bring in their own control of us and this planet.

They have to do this in secret for now, because we have free-will and spiritual laws will not allow them to do it, yet.

We can stop this any day of the week, but to do this we need to knwo the rules and live by them.


but the Bible seems correct that not enough will wake up before it is too late and there will be a "mark of the beast," quite literally, and a culling of those who do not agree or who know better.

sorry for the bad press, but check out NDEs and realize that this life is not all there is and you don't need to worry if you know the rules.

In fact, it looks to me like it's a lot better in the other side!

:)