I need help understanding the 7 Churches part of the Revelation

I highly recommend this book:

The Spirit Unto The Churches

-An Understanding of Man's Existence in the Body

1977 Association for the Understanding of Man, Inc.

P.O. Box 5310, Austin, Texas 78763

ISBN: 0-915908-06-9


I promise that you will not be disappointed!

^^ THIS ^^
Western Christianity is lukewarm and nauseating, and the Lord will spit them out of His mouth in the 4th seal to make room for the pure Bride, which the Holy Spirit will raise up in the 5th seal.

Uncle

The term used - 'Churches', has nothing to do with religion or religions! It refers to spiritual fellowships of like minded souls.

this is A REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION and nobody that has posted so far has really gotten close to the correct answer. and there is a correct answer to this question. you cannot just make up stuff. and I am not even christian! I am telestei.

most all of the books of the bible were written by paul. when he is writing his letters, who is he writing to? the 7 churches. perhaps all of the churches were located in turkey. you can find this out. look it up. don't just be an open mouth blabbing away.

these churches existed and were the essence of christianity at the time.. some congregations had as few as 10 or 15 members. one church was so named the 'armenian' church. the exact specific location of these churches is known. you can go there.

one church was galacians, this refers to gailic or celtic looking people or tribe or something like that. but they were located in turkey. paul was trying to get their act together, and then these churches were going to be the cell(s) that were then going to spread the faith all over the earth. the specific church that thomas came from to go to india IS KNOWN. there are documents in india. there is a vast church in india that shares the communion with the roman catholic church. thomas started this church. in india. it is spread all over southern india, and even has churches in USA.

CHRISTIANS, LEARN YOUR FAITH. so a non-christian does not have to teach it to you, as I am doing here..


(also I am not affiliated with the poster in the above thread ac24926273.. I have no clue who he is.. his post is nothing about me.. he may be 500 mile away from me)

Last Edited by Aikan on 10/04/2012 03:04 AM

Why would there be 7 true religions when it's a christian prophecy?

point 1: where the 7 churches located in turkey? yes or no

Last Edited by Aikan on 10/04/2012 03:27 AM

point 2: who did paul write his letters to?

Last Edited by Aikan on 10/04/2012 03:28 AM

corinthians, who where they?

where they located in corinth? yes or no

Last Edited by Aikan on 10/04/2012 03:30 AM

Thread: 7 Churches/7 Chakras.....Revelation/Cayce

symbolism? can? yes? ..


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Ephesus Ephesos; Turkish Efes) was an ancient Greek city, and later a major Roman city, on the west coast of Asia Minor, near present-day Selçuk, Izmir Province, Turkey. It was one of the twelve cities of the Ionian League during the Classical Greek era. In the Roman period, Ephesus had a population of more than 250,000 in the 1st century BC, which also made it one of the largest cities in the Mediterranean world

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>this is what I am talking about, an open mouth just blabbing away, with no brain function whatsoever..

no wonder the world is in such a mess.

this is my last post on this thread.

Last Edited by Aikan on 10/04/2012 03:53 AM

...Most definitely yes...all within the geographical confines of Asia minor...specifically Turkey. So whats curious about this is there were countless churches established throughout the Meditereanean by the time of Johns writing of Revelation circa 90+ a.d. Why the focus on these seven churches....? Does Turkey play a major role in end of days prophecy & world events...? Perhaps...

...Most definitely yes...all within the geographical confines of Asia minor...specifically Turkey. So whats curious about this is there were countless churches established throughout the Meditereanean by the time of Johns writing of Revelation circa 90+ a.d. Why the focus on these seven churches....? Does Turkey play a major role in end of days prophecy & world events...? Perhaps...

Some believe that Turkey, being to the north of Israel is the area of ancient Meshech, Tubal, and Gomer, which in the first century was called Asia. So yes, Turkey does indeed play a significant role in end times prophecy.

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[link to www.fether.net]

Many prophecy teachers believe that the next event to look for is the destruction of Damascus, perhaps as part of the war of Psalm 83 or Ezekiel 38-39, in which a Russian-led coalition of the nations surrounding Israel are destroyed by God Himself on the mountains of Israel. If so, this would make Israel feel more secure with more land mass and her most immediate threats decimated. This in turn might be the "dwelling securely" that makes Israel sign a 7-year treaty with a world leader (Beast), starting the final prophetic clock.

Last Edited by Keep2theCode on 10/04/2012 08:19 AM

1 through 7

ADAM

NOAH

BABEL

ABRAHAM

ISAAC

JACOB

MOSES

These SEVEN are the MENORAH = 7

We gentiles are grafted into the CHURCH, the CHURCH is the body, Bride of Christ since creation.

Please read ZECHARIAH concerning the TWO WITNESSES OF REVELATION.

I have to laugh because of all the people who write in claiming to have all this knowledge.

Maybe you do, but durning the period when Jesus was actaully here on this planet most who met him or knew him did not know who he actually was.
Even his cousin John had to ask if he was the Messiah
So now 2000+- years later you think you know?

2Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples,

3And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?



Please stop the nonsense.

And who exactly are you, who laughs and acts superior?

Jesus gave John the answer he sought, and told us that He would rise from the dead as predicted. The disciple John wrote his Gospel for the expressed purpose of telling us that we could KNOW and be confident. How could you be so ignorant of this? It is YOU who know nothing.

They are simply the 7 periods of church history from the time of Jesus and the apostles (when the church was more pure) to our day... we are in the Laodecian era today... the very last day church, and unfortunately the condition that God says we have is NOT good! But their is a "remnant" and they are God's true church, the one's who are described as "here is the patience of the saints, here are they who keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus" (Rev 14:12)

This makes it easier to distinguish God's TRUE church because 99% of the so-called Christian world are breaking the 4th commandment week in and week out by not keeping God's TRUE Sabbath holy. They are going to church on the 1st day of the week and trying to exalt Sunday like it's something holy when there is NOTHING in all the Bible that says it is. To the contrary, we are admonished to keep the Sabbath (the 7th day - Saturday) holy, sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. It was blessed and hallowed and sanctified (set aside for a holy purpose) during creation and re-echoed at Sanai when God said to "remember" it, it is the very seal of God! The saints are described as those who keep the commandments of God. In times of ignorance, God winks, but when people know the truth and just blatently reject it or feel they don't have to do it, or just continue to do what "tradition" teaches, that's a different story and they make the word of God of none effect. The Sabbath is God's sign to us that he is our God and we are his people (Ezekiel 20:12, 20:20).

I guess I've been put in my place.

[link to www.hallvworthington.com]

Notice! Jesus says church(es) — plural. He tells the churches to hear him seven times in Rev 2-3. Some people think the seven churches in Revelation are seven different ages, but the fact that Jesus tells us to listen to what he is saying to all the churches indicates he is addressing the problems of churches in all ages that they have in common. Every problem, including the churches being synagogues of Satan are problems with all the churches. However, in most every church there are a few of his few people. He calls his few of the true church out of the churches, saying: Come out of her, my people, that you do not share in her sins, and that you do not receive her plagues. Rev 18:4. Think about it: John is writing a few years after Jesus' death, and already great apostasy has set in, churches in His name being taken over by false doctrines and becoming synagogues of Satan. Now fast forward 2000 years. Giving Satan 2000 more years to further deception with false doctrines, is it not logical that Satan's hold on the churches today would be pervasive, even universal?

Jesus said the false prophets in sheep's clothing would come. John said the antichrists and false apostles had come and had gone out from among them. Peter saw the false teachers had come. Paul saw the false apostles had come, and warned the brothers night and day for three years of more coming. And in Revelation, John saw where the whole world was to go after the false prophets and the false church, which occurred shortly afterwards. Jesus now addresses the apostatized churches in these two chapters of Revelations.

I don't know how to show that this is a quote from the website I linked to. But, the above paragraphs are not my words, but the words of Hall Worthington.

Last Edited by Dried Up Hag on 10/04/2012 09:17 AM

do not ask here.
You are getting confusion from many sources.

Pray earnestly and The Lord will send someone to you to teach you. If you aren't serious, do not expect to hear.

stay away from Ralph Stair (overcomer) it is my opinion that he is definitely not the last day prophet that guy thinks he is.

Run away from the pagan roman catholic church, they worship Mary, mother-goddess fertility bull, It is Babylonian paganism.

Father Malachi Martin was a very well educated interesting cat that says he did exorcisms.

Compare how catholics do exorcisms and how Christianity is taught to do exorcisms, they do look different.

The RCC was NEVER established by God! The RCC came out of paganism and APOSTACY!! The TRUE church saints are described in Revelation 12:14 - the KEEP the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus!! The RCC does NOT keep the 2nd commandment about making and bowing to images (infact they ripped that commandment completely out of their cathechism!) and they do NOT keep the 4th commandment of keeping the Sabbath holy, infact they are the antichrist power in Daniel 7 who "THOUGHT to change times and laws"... but man can't really change God's laws, they only THINK they can! The Papacy is the antichrist power of scripture, and God's true people who are in there will here his voice and COME OUT of it!! THAT is what the Bible says, and that is exactly what is happening in these last days!! And not just from the RCC but from Protestantism who has basically followed in the traditions of the RCC... God has true people in every church, but the TRUE people of God will hear God's call and come out of these fallen churches who blatantly break the commandments of God!! Many already have, many will continue to until probation closes for mankind and Jesus comes.

Chuck Missler is the man, I recommend all his vids. His cosmic codes series is pretty mind blowing to the unbeliever.

Jesus told the Samaritan woman that the time had arrived to worship God in spirit and truth rather than in a special place. He also told his disciples that he would be there if even just two or three people gathered in his name. Nothing about sanctuaries, sacred furniture or offices, rituals, rites, or performances. And he said nothing about a particular day for worship; neither did any of the NT writers.

The book of Hebrews, esp. ch. 7, makes it very clear that "with a change of priesthood comes a change of law". Since our High Priest is not in the order of Levi but of Melchizedek, then we have no part in the law of Levi/Moses. That's the teaching of scripture and cannot be denied.

The Sabbath was only given to the nation of Israel. We are not the nation of Israel, not under the Levitical priesthood, not subject to any of the laws of Moses. Our only law now is that of love, "for love does no harm to its neighbor". When Jesus died, the curtain in the Temple separating the Holiest Place from the rest was torn in two, signifying that there is no more of the old ways for the church.

Try quoting ANY New Testament passage, in context, that tells us we must worship God on a particular day.

Chuck Missler is a good teacher. But in the case of his teaching of Rev. 2 and 3 concerning the churches, he missed the mark.

The key to all of this is this question that I propose to all of you.

What did Smyrna and Philadelphia teach and do?

Rev. 3:10 is the answer.
Notice through those two chapters pertaining to the churches that Satan's name comes up (how many times?) and when Chuck Missler gets to Philadelphia he makes a statement about Philadelphia that they will be kept from the hour of temptation and be raptured away.

Well that is not true.

No one is going to be raptured away because God has chosen 7000 spoken of in Romans 11:4 that will stand face to face with Satan when he comes. That alone makes what Chuck Missler had said as an error. (my two witness verse's that confirm what I pointed out in Romans 11:4 are 1 Kings 19:18 and 1 Kings 20:15.)

The "hour of temptation" is very important to learn and very very few are learning it today.
No one is going anywhere during the time of the Locust that come with Satan. (Locust is the symbolic term used to show not only the season or timing of when Satan comes, but defines that it will be the angels that come with Satan when he arrives.)(See REv. 12:7,8,9)


Notice in Rev. 2:10 and I quote it " FEAR NONE of those things which tho shall suffer; Behold , the DEVIL shall cast some of you in prison, that ye may be TRIED; and ye shall have tribulation ten days; be thou faithful unto death and I will give thee a crown of life."

So, we see that the Devil, Satan, the serpent, Tyrus, and etc. and etc. is coming.
The anti-christ is Satan, not some man. And all the churches spoken of in Rev. 2 and 3 will face Satan in the Hour of temptation.

Now how does the Lord keep Philadelphia from being trapped by the great deception that is about to come to the world?
Again, Rev. 3:10 defines it for us all, no guess work, no supposition as to what we think it might be and what will happen.
They kept the Word.
Now lets look at that truth. They also became "Doers of the Word", and not just hearer's of the Word."
In Rev. 15:1,2,3 we see the "Victory Songs spoken of those that OVERCOME". Over come what? Satan in the hour of temptation.

So how does the Lord keep both Smyrna and Philadelphia from the trap that is being set for us?
They learn the Word and learn how to sidestep Satan and the NWO along with Satan by preparing themselves to stand against Satan.
He is order that he cannot touch anyone that has the latter day sealing. (See Rev. 9:4) God commands Satan that and those Locust angels.
Satan isn't coming as a monster, he is coming playing Jesus to deceive the whole world. If you think in Rev. 9 that Satan is some monster with red underwear and some pitch fork, you will be deceived.
Those five churches that Christ finds fault with will still have grace even tho they fall short. There are five churches there and the number five in Biblical numerics means "grace".
The end time sealing chapters are Mat. 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. And in Luke chapter 21 you will see that Satan cannot harm a hair on your head.
Yet the rapture teachers and the "left behind series" make people afraid. Instead of teaching the Word properly, they make people to want to fly away which God hates according to Eze. chapter 13.
All 7 of the churches were real churches in the days of the writings. They are written down for us to see that yes prophetically we in this last generation will have to deal with false prophets, false teachers and tons of other "self serving so called pastors and preachers".
Learn the Word.
In Rev. 15:3 we see the "Song of Moses" that those who overcome shall sing. Again overcome what? Satan and his lies and his deceptions. Satan loves to use Christians with pride in their hearts and he really loves to use pastors standing behind pulpits.

So in conclusion, those churches are an example as to what will befall upon all of us in the "hour of temptation". The words "hour of temptation" is even being presented in those two chapters.
And yes, many churches do worship themselves and have gone in the way of Baalam as written in Rev. 2:14.
Baal worship is another name for Satan symbolically.

Wake up folks, because the hour of temptation is getting real close.
Instead of putting your trust in some persons teachings, (And that includes me in that equation) ask God to open the Word for you and Learn it. Yes John 3:16 tells us that all those who call upon the Lord will be saved. But if you bow down to Satan, who are you calling upon?

The Word confirms itself. There are 278 verse's in the bible that confirms the book of Rev.. Learn the Word and find those scriptures and be saved by the real Jesus not the fake that is coming.
I know the teachings by many pastors is that the anti-christ is some man.
Go to Eze. chapter 28, there you will not only see Satan ancient name Tyrus, (meaning rock) but he is not my Rock as spoken of in the Song of Moses. Notice in Exe. 13 the word "Cherub is being used to define Satan." Notice the stones that are there? That is he beauty and he is absolutely beautiful in a appearance and that will in itself deceive the whole world without him saying one thing to us when that abomination of desolation comes.

Notice too in Eze. 28 that the word "man" is being used.
All angels except two Arch Angel Michael and Arch Angel Gabriel are called "men" when the come down to earth. Why? Because God said let us make man in our image,meaning they look like men. Christ is called the 'Son of man' and so Satan is called a man. He is NOT a flesh man, but man in Eze. chapter 28 us being used to define that Satan does and has come to earth going to and fro. So when we hear the word anti-christ most are taught it is some 'flesh man'. They are taught that Satan will put his evil spirit into some human. Not one verse is found in the Word that says that. It is given by supposition by traditions of mens church systems. In this case we see in Rev. chapter 2 and 3 that those five churches will fall short.

So yes, Smyrna and Philadelphia will escape the deception but will be here on fighting for the truth and revealing Satan as Paul tells us in 2 Thess. 2:1,2,3,4. Yes the great falling away will happen in the "hour of temptation". You can count on it.

Only those that have the seal of God in their forehead spoken of in Rev. 7, and Rev. 9 will not be tricked by Satan.
I am ready to reveal that monster and if God calls upon me I will do what Christ told us in Mark 13:11 which is one of the 3 end time sealing chapters where Christ seals you with the truth and let the real Holy Spirit speak through me if I am chosen to do so.
So you call can think any way you wish about Rev. 2 and 3, but without that seal, you will never ever see the real truth.
Remember the two churches that Christ found no fault with Kept the Word and were a doer of the Word.

I know this is a lot of info, but follow where I lead you, and maybe just maybe these's seeds of truth will awaken you in the "hour of temptation.".

Blessings to all (ps, sorry for mis-spelling and grammer errors.)

Last Edited by Little Star on 10/04/2012 10:47 AM

Thou shalt not kill (murder) is still in effect.
Thou shalt not have any other Gods before me , is still in effect.
All ten commands are still in effect.
You either were taught wrong or mis-understood the Teachings of Paul.

Yes, Christ said for us to listen to Him and He is the manna giver, and told us to read the Word as spoken of in John 6:63.

Christ Himself said He changes not one jot or titel of the Law, but came to fulfill the Law.

I guess also Rev. 3:10 is wrong in what you have shared with us.

I can just hear it now "oh we can sin all we want because we have the teachings of 1 Eph. John chaper 1 and chapter 2."

That teaching will lead many to the other side of the gulf in Paradise.

WE will fall short, and Christ said so. That is why God sent Him here to help us along this time of learning, this earth age.

But hey, if you want to teach that it is okay to murder someone and we are not under the law, then go ahead and teach it.

So much mis-teachings it is not funny.

Think about what I just shared with you.

Are we still under the ten commandments?
After all the object and subject is Rev. 2 and 3 the 7 churches. And as I pointed out five of the churches will fall because they did not keep the Word. Rev. 3:10 they kept the Word.

Sorry for being too straight forward with you.

Last Edited by Little Star on 10/04/2012 11:03 AM

Such arrogance, presuming to be our leader and that we are asleep, just because we disagree with you. There have been debates over this for many, many years, and you would do well to spend some quality time trying to understand the Rapture view from those who are well-regarded teachers. The material you presented is nothing new or surprising, and certainly not air-tight or convincing. You'll blame that on me of course, but I'm not so full of myself as to say that I'm your teacher. I just disagree.

Once again you think that whoever disagrees with you must be ignorant or poorly trained. Not true. At all.

You also don't seem to grasp the part about us being under a new priesthood, and the meaning of the law of love which "DOES NO HARM TO ITS NEIGHBOR". We don't need the Ten Commandments to tell us that, do we.

Jesus was asked what works are required by God, and he answered, "To believe on the One he has sent". That's it. And fulfillment of the law has the same end result as annuling it: it's done, it's finished, it's no longer in effect. Or did the writer of Hebrews lie when they said "In fact, the former law is annulled because it is weak and useless since it didn't complete anything." (Heb. 7:18)

And please, spare us the ridiculous "license to sin" ploy. Did Paul not write, "We died to sin, how can we live in it any longer?" You are so afraid of our freedom in Christ that you would cling to the old carcass of the law.

And you need to apologize for insinuating that because I QUOTE THE SCRIPTURES that say we are not under the law (esp. Gentiles who were NEVER under it), that I would commit murder! Such poor, poor reasoning on your part; it's a sad commentary on our times that I even have to explain these things.

Too straight forward? Don't flatter yourself; you're just too clueless is all.