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When we escape primitivity we will be able to get to teh next level of love in a relationship where sex is not sometihng you'd consider. Ever wonder why when we are in love sexual desire disappears? What is sex is a more shallow way of making to another being? What if we can share love with eachother on a higher level taht is more fulfilling than sex can ever be?
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another do

Seriously? This is so full of it. Women do fine without men and if the truth be told, men are worst then raising children.

Can't help but laugh when reading this post. I'm a single woman by choice. Men are too damn clingy and need constant care. I'm done babysitting. lol
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you must be talking about all the wounded cowboys.
pay them no mind.
keep smiling, . .you'll find the right guy.
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it is gay!
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It's not the aliens, Disney teaches them that marriage is the end all be all, It isn't, I don't let my daughters watch that crap. Their heroes are Elektra, Max from Dark Angel and Katniss Everdean.

I won't date and will be alone till I die and happier for it.

Not all of us buy into the propaganda.
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All liked to be a sheeple and to get what good sheeple is worth.

The bothering resolving calamity humanity is experiencing has started by fucking the paradise with wars for making a living with.

The economy of war claims another behavior concept than to be a sheeple. The cult of war was born and entertained, lastly to justify what never could and will be to justify.

The "Alexanders", the "Greats" came to say hello to all. With them an endless fan community in tow, struggling the fuck down to be, or at least to appear like them.

That competition net really has stopped yet.

The business of war claims at all, not to be too much sensitive. Claims for a preparation to commit the "job". That means to screw all desire for to act in tender, love and peace. Creating a queer balance in the realm of feelings, constantly on the verge to collapse.

The war business is spiritually and mentally the boss on which the differentiation of sex is hanging on.

Introducing the following ranking: What is important for war comes always first. Therefore the birth of new soldiers isn't rendered as that important, the staff engaged in such has to take their seat down to the catwalk of the heroes.

That business, to make a difference if a hero is in the play went on and on sustained by never ending wars, to produce finally en detail that picture of the both sex we are used to scratch our heads to.
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"Women are mentally and physically abused their entire lives", how true is that? Even in an environment where a word uttered by men can be sued as sexual harassment? What a bulshit. Women these days are just being spoiled too much. That's why most become entitlement minded. The princesses thought if they got what they labeled as crappy birthday present, they've got the right to be cranky, not realizing the poor in the third world are thankful enough for getting one meal a day to survive, not even to care about any 'crappy' birthday present. Modern women being mentally and physically abused? Give me a break.

And what's that protective personality traits? Being abusive and manipulative? I agree that some non assertive men got hammered by their pushy nagging narcissistic wives, which shouldn't happen if the men just stand up firmly on his principle of honoring mutual respect and of not tolerating abuse either way despite of risking separation or divorce. But what's most important for men is not to select woman based only on the vagina. Get a woman in a whole package, big portion of attitude and small portion of vagina. Eventually attitude is what make a woman great and valuable coz vagina sooner or later will withered away. And good attitude is what will bring a better future generation, not the spoiled entitlement minded women of this day who overwhelmingly voted for Obama to bring the eventual destruction soon to come to Americans and the whole world. When the shit hit the fan, these women will be incinerated after being mass raped. It's the consequence they may not be aware of by being too blinded by their narcissitic entitlement mind.
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So true. When the SHTF, it will be men in charge. The special rights women have now will not interest them.
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"Women are mentally and physically abused their entire lives", how true is that? Even in an environment where a word uttered by men can be sued as sexual harassment? What a bulshit. Women these days are just being spoiled too much. That's why most become entitlement minded. The princesses thought if they got what they labeled as crappy birthday present, they've got the right to be cranky, not realizing the poor in the third world are thankful enough for getting one meal a day to survive, not even to care about any 'crappy' birthday present. Modern women being mentally and physically abused? Give me a break.

And what's that protective personality traits? Being abusive and manipulative? I agree that some non assertive men got hammered by their pushy nagging narcissistic wives, which shouldn't happen if the men just stand up firmly on his principle of honoring mutual respect and of not tolerating abuse either way despite of risking separation or divorce. But what's most important for men is not to select woman based only on the vagina. Get a woman in a whole package, big portion of attitude and small portion of vagina. Eventually attitude is what make a woman great and valuable coz vagina sooner or later will withered away. And good attitude is what will bring a better future generation, not the spoiled entitlement minded women of this day who overwhelmingly voted for Obama to bring the eventual destruction soon to come to Americans and the whole world. When the shit hit the fan, these women will be incinerated after being mass raped. It's the consequence they may not be aware of by being too blinded by their narcissitic entitlement mind.
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So true. When the SHTF, it will be men in charge. The special rights women have now will not interest them.
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I do find some truth to what he is saying, but I am grateful for all I have and I am alone in the world and I choose to be alone.

When TSHTF, I will still be alone and I won't be taking crap from men then either.
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Some submissive women have been pushed and pushed and pushed, and pushed, to the breaking point of no return. You can only bend so far till you break. We do not know what happened behind closed doors for some women.
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Some submissive women have been pushed and pushed and pushed, and pushed, to the breaking point of no return. You can only bend so far till you break. We do not know what happened behind closed doors for some women.
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Exactly, I was once a lamb but now I am a lion and I am not going back. I may die, but I will not submit.
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Females have issues that males will NEVER understand and vice versa. The stereotypers here are all missing the point.

we are all HUMAN

no one has a choice in certain matters except when it comes to attitude. Put yourselves in another persons shoes and it may be that you have nothing to complain about. Except for eating your own words.
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The funny thing about female issues is that they're either

-imagined
-self-created
-the same issues a man faces but blown ridiculously out of proportion

An exception being your monthly bleeding of course.
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applause2 Well stated.
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What is with all the stereotyping? It is impossible to throw everyone into certain categories. Not all women are exactly alike, and not all of them live like princesses... if you believe that you are delusional.
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Percentage wise, how many women are princess type (egoist) and how many are nurturer type (care for others)? Any scientific research on that?
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And what is the percentage of "princesses"? Not 100%... yes you must be delusional....

If a man marries a woman who is a princess and/or wears one of those horrendous Disney princess dresses to her wedding that is his own damn fault for not bolting.

Quit blaming the world and aliens for your bad choices people
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What is with all the stereotyping? It is impossible to throw everyone into certain categories. Not all women are exactly alike, and not all of them live like princesses... if you believe that you are delusional.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10624960

Percentage wise, how many women are princess type (egoist) and how many are nurturer type (care for others)? Any scientific research on that?
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And what is the percentage of "princesses"? Not 100%... yes you must be delusional....

If a man marries a woman who is a princess and/or wears one of those horrendous Disney princess dresses to her wedding that is his own damn fault for not bolting.

Quit blaming the world and aliens for your bad choices people
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Well, you know how hard men have it.

whatever
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What is with all the stereotyping? It is impossible to throw everyone into certain categories. Not all women are exactly alike, and not all of them live like princesses... if you believe that you are delusional.
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Percentage wise, how many women are princess type (egoist) and how many are nurturer type (care for others)? Any scientific research on that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27854527


And what is the percentage of "princesses"? Not 100%... yes you must be delusional....

If a man marries a woman who is a princess and/or wears one of those horrendous Disney princess dresses to her wedding that is his own damn fault for not bolting.

Quit blaming the world and aliens for your bad choices people
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Well, you know how hard men have it.

whatever
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If a woman is giving you a hard time, dump her ass, simple as that. If you don't "like" how women are being brought up-start teaching and making a change with your daughters. A sane person doesn't whine and bitch about it like a baby and blame aliens
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...

Percentage wise, how many women are princess type (egoist) and how many are nurturer type (care for others)? Any scientific research on that?
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And what is the percentage of "princesses"? Not 100%... yes you must be delusional....

If a man marries a woman who is a princess and/or wears one of those horrendous Disney princess dresses to her wedding that is his own damn fault for not bolting.

Quit blaming the world and aliens for your bad choices people
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10624960


Well, you know how hard men have it.

whatever
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If a woman is giving you a hard time, dump her ass, simple as that. If you don't "like" how women are being brought up-start teaching and making a change with your daughters. A sane person doesn't whine and bitch about it like a baby and blame aliens
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Ding! Ding! Ding!

We have a winner!
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I am speaking about those who are married. This may make some mad, but I am just thinking and feeling and need to say this.

You know what I think is happening? Because alot of men chose courses of not honoring their wives, they are having their prayers hindered. I also see many women not loving their husbands and not taking the marriage arrangment seriously. It is'nt about playing house.

Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

Proverbs 2:17 who has left the partner of her youth and ignored the covenant she made before God.


I noticed something happening in the world. I see women leaving their roles as wives, because of being so dishonored and hurt in heart. GOD Father sees everything that is happening behind closed doors. Nothing escapes his all searching eyes.

In Genesis 3:16 it says these words.... and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

I do not see this anymore in the earth. I see the woman as having been snapped out of this desire for her husband because how can you crave something that is unrighteous when a man is not living up to his end of the bargain?

What if the woman is a Godlike woman,and does not wan't to act like a prostitute and be treated as though a sex slave of a man who has become lustful to porn and expects his wife to be like all the other monkeys or else he will look for someone else with his eyes full of adultery?

What if Father is taking away the woman's desire for men ruling over them. Why? Because they dealt harshly with women, not assinging her honor as a weaker vessel. Weaker meaning, women are emotional, and feel things deep. For exploiting her as if a whore, and expecting her to become as a whore behind closed doors, imitating the ways of the fallen world.

However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

You have to earn respect to truly recieve it , because if you don't love your wife and she sees you're fake and just using her for one thing, than how can she respect you, it goes both ways. Marriage is not meant for misuse of the sexual energy force. It is about balance, love and understanding.

Loving her is respecting her, protecting her from things that can corrupt her heart, to cause her to become a whore like tramp. If you sit around and wan't her to watch porn with you then she is condoning you to fill your mind to become corrupt,and she begins to feel cheapened and dirty about this as though she has to become like the actors in the porn in order to please you, she might get wandering eyes and cheat on you, because you treated her as a worthless whore, so she becomes one, because that is all she sees men wan't. She feels as though she has to compete for love, and cannot measure up.

If a woman feels unrespected and not really loved by her husband,she may wander for attention she is not getting from you, and for most women, it is more than just about sex, it is about making love companionship just for the sake of being a person, to come to know her heart , not just her beautiful body. That is what she really wan'ts to know about you, your heart,to really know what is inside you. This frustrates women when men do not hear her, as though what she has to say is not important enough for him to turn down the football game for a minute to really listen, and then expect her to jump up and fix him a sandwich when he suddenly is hungry.

And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.
Malachi 2:15

Godly seed comes from Godly marriages.

Unclean seed comes from ungodly marriages.

1 Thessalonians 4:4 that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable.
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I am speaking about those who are married. This may make some mad, but I am just thinking and feeling and need to say this.

You know what I think is happening? Because alot of men chose courses of not honoring their wives, they are having their prayers hindered. I also see many women not loving their husbands and not taking the marriage arrangment seriously. It is'nt about playing house.

Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

Proverbs 2:17 who has left the partner of her youth and ignored the covenant she made before God.


I noticed something happening in the world. I see women leaving their roles as wives, because of being so dishonored and hurt in heart. GOD Father sees everything that is happening behind closed doors. Nothing escapes his all searching eyes.

In Genesis 3:16 it says these words.... and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

I do not see this anymore in the earth. I see the woman as having been snapped out of this desire for her husband because how can you crave something that is unrighteous when a man is not living up to his end of the bargain?

What if the woman is a Godlike woman,and does not wan't to act like a prostitute and be treated as though a sex slave of a man who has become lustful to porn and expects his wife to be like all the other monkeys or else he will look for someone else with his eyes full of adultery?

What if Father is taking away the woman's desire for men ruling over them. Why? Because they dealt harshly with women, not assinging her honor as a weaker vessel. Weaker meaning, women are emotional, and feel things deep. For exploiting her as if a whore, and expecting her to become as a whore behind closed doors, immitating the ways of the fallen world.

However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

You have to earn respect to truly recieve it , because if you don't love your wife and she sees you're fake and just using her for one thing, than how can she respect you, it goes both ways. Marriage is not meant for misuse of the sexual energy force. It is about balance, love and understanding.

Loving her is respecting her, protecting her from things that can corrupt her heart, to cause her to become a whore like tramp. If you sit around and wan't her to watch porn with you or condoning you to fill your mind to become corrupt,and she begins to feel cheapened and dirty feels as though she has to become like the actors in the porn in order to please you, she might get wandering eyes and cheat on you, because you treated her as a worthless whore, so she becomes one, because that is all she sees men wan't.

If a woman feels unrespected and not really loved by her husband,she may wander for attention she is not getting from you, and for most women, it is more than just about sex, it is about making love companionship just for the sake of being a person, to come to know her heart , not just her beautiful body. That is what she really wan'ts to know about you, your heart,to really know what is inside you. This frustrates women when men do not hear her, as though what she has to say is not important enough for him to turn down the football game for a minute to really listen, and then expect her to jump up and fix him a sandwich when he suddenly is hungry.

And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.
Malachi 2:15

Godly seed comes from Godly marriages.

Unclean seed comes from ungodly marriages.

1 Thessalonians 4:4 that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable.
 Quoting: Newheart

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I didn't read beyond the second paragraph, and I advise anyone else not to read further. Bible tard asshole feminist putting blame on the men, again. Like its mans fault that western women are selfish, gold digging nasty cunts.

Let Newhart know what you all think of her ignorant comment in the karma section. Thank you.
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this is meant for marriage mates.
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Yeah, sure. Because women don't divorce husbands because they aren't happy with him being laid off or having his salary cut. Go fuck yourself.
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some are just shallow. I mentioned , that some women treat marriage as just playing house. Marriage is sacred, for better times and worse times. Shallow people give up when worse times comes, and these people have no business getting married in the first place.
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Single much, OP?
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Single much, OP?
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Strange, if you look at my post, you will see i saw this is a msg i received from a friend, I also said that i dont agree with it all, but found it interesting and wanted to share.

I even posted a link from where my friend had found it
[link to www.truthism.com]

A site ive never seen. But the thread seems to have found a life of its own :)

Regarding women, I am single, my choise, I dont believe 2 people are meant to stay together forever. Living in Vegas is easy, when there is a need, all one needs to do is go to the strip and job done, soo many women on holiday everyday alone, and believe me, im glad im not their husbands/boyfriends :)

The only part of the article that interested me was

Women are ultra-impressionable beings and therefore are easily controlled by aliens and the elite. The main purpose of women on Earth (that is, what aliens have programmed them to do) is to enslave men via relationships. Women are obsessed with relationships and love (due to alien programming), and don't care about anything else in life. They would have men believe that being in a relationship is one of the most important things in existence, not realizing that men couldn't care less about being in a relationship--and rightly so. Furthermore, women force men to waste their precious time and resources on them. This demonic charade (i.e., relationships) has gone on for far too long and obviously has no end in sight. Thus, you can blame women for the downfall and utter hopelessness of humanity.

Maybe I should have edited it, but whats done is done, may you all have a great day, I'm having one :)
Love and Light
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Men will find this hilarious, I did.

Out of all the female acquaintances I have, she is the only one I would call a gold digging whore. We'll call her Ann.

Her husband cheated on her and left her for another woman about 15 years ago. She dates black men exclusively (white woman) and will never marry as to keep the poor bastard paying for the rest of her life.

He hit hard times and asked to cut back on his $625 per month payment to $525. She allowed him to do it. There is no court order, he just does it. Both of her kids are now 19 and 22 so it is just spousal support.

She has raised her kids to be dependent on her still and she has hit a rough patch, so she gets mad at him and fires off a text telling him she needs the full $625 again. She said WWJD? Lol

Anyway, he writes her back that she needs to control her finances better and from now on he will only pay $425 per month.

She was so mad at him and told the kids what an ass he was, but me and my friends found it highly amusing that her attitude screwed her out of $100 per month.

I and my friends are all women and we thought she deserved what she got.

BTW, if you have children with those women, your daughters will be just like them.
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Single much, OP?
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Strange, if you look at my post, you will see i saw this is a msg i received from a friend, I also said that i dont agree with it all, but found it interesting and wanted to share.

I even posted a link from where my friend had found it
[link to www.truthism.com]

A site ive never seen. But the thread seems to have found a life of its own :)

Regarding women, I am single, my choise, I dont believe 2 people are meant to stay together forever. Living in Vegas is easy, when there is a need, all one needs to do is go to the strip and job done, soo many women on holiday everyday alone, and believe me, im glad im not their husbands/boyfriends :)

The only part of the article that interested me was

Women are ultra-impressionable beings and therefore are easily controlled by aliens and the elite. The main purpose of women on Earth (that is, what aliens have programmed them to do) is to enslave men via relationships. Women are obsessed with relationships and love (due to alien programming), and don't care about anything else in life. They would have men believe that being in a relationship is one of the most important things in existence, not realizing that men couldn't care less about being in a relationship--and rightly so. Furthermore, women force men to waste their precious time and resources on them. This demonic charade (i.e., relationships) has gone on for far too long and obviously has no end in sight. Thus, you can blame women for the downfall and utter hopelessness of humanity.

Maybe I should have edited it, but whats done is done, may you all have a great day, I'm having one :)
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There is not much you can do to explain this in an excusable manner. You are guilty by association because you agreed enough to bother posting it and contributed to the hate being spread. It makes unstable people feel good when they can crush and insult others... & might want to change your signature.

Just know that compassion is a sign of emotional maturity
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Men will find this hilarious, I did.

Out of all the female acquaintances I have, she is the only one I would call a gold digging whore. We'll call her Ann.

Her husband cheated on her and left her for another woman about 15 years ago. She dates black men exclusively (white woman) and will never marry as to keep the poor bastard paying for the rest of her life.

He hit hard times and asked to cut back on his $625 per month payment to $525. She allowed him to do it. There is no court order, he just does it. Both of her kids are now 19 and 22 so it is just spousal support.

She has raised her kids to be dependent on her still and she has hit a rough patch, so she gets mad at him and fires off a text telling him she needs the full $625 again. She said WWJD? Lol

Anyway, he writes her back that she needs to control her finances better and from now on he will only pay $425 per month.

She was so mad at him and told the kids what an ass he was, but me and my friends found it highly amusing that her attitude screwed her out of $100 per month.

I and my friends are all women and we thought she deserved what she got.

BTW, if you have children with those women, your daughters will be just like them.
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My point here is that decent women don't like these women, they give women a bad name but they are the minority of women.

If you are dating such a woman, you deserve the misery she brings you.
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Make no mistake: It is indeed tragic that a man cannot satisfy his sexual needs without also getting trapped in a relationship
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LMFAO.

Wow, this was written by someone who really DOES NOT get out too much.

Quite the contrary... many women these days want to fuck and then NEVER, ever see you again.

That shouldn't be so hard to believe.
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There is not much you can do to explain this in an excusable manner. You are guilty by association because you agreed enough to bother posting it and contributed to the hate being spread. It makes unstable people feel good when they can crush and insult others... & might want to change your signature.

Just know that compassion is a sign of emotional maturity


Good thing I'm not Human :)

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Next you pussyhaters will be bitching about how women are too promiscuous sleeping with a different dude every night, not wanting to settle down... complaining because they don't make good marriage material.

Make up your minds, you mommy issue ridden sad sacks.
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Next you pussyhaters will be bitching about how women are too promiscuous sleeping with a different dude every night, not wanting to settle down... complaining because they don't make good marriage material.

Make up your minds, you mommy issue ridden sad sacks.
 Quoting: Mister Obvious


Common MO, you not letting this thread blow your skirt up now are you :)
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11/16/2012 02:03 PM
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What happens in Vegas every night, is alot of married/involved women having a great Fu... Time literally.

So to all the single guys who are financially independent, this is the place to be, no commitment, get it when you want it, an nobody to explain too.

This is Heaven on Earth lol

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What happens in Vegas every night, is alot of married/involved women having a great Fu... Time literally.

So to all the single guys who are financially independent, this is the place to be, no commitment, get it when you want it, an nobody to explain too.

This is Heaven on Earth lol
 Quoting: wise1


So the married/involved men don't also cheat in Vegas?

Don't be biased. My married boss took a trip to Vegas a few years ago just so he could cheat. It goes both ways





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