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| ANNONYMOUS (OP) User ID: 8415236 United States12/06/2012 04:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not to bust your bubble or anything, but the unions were the primary reason for the auto industry bailout. Unions have been holding GM hostage for decades and a lot of it is complete and total bullshit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18432713   moren that, the unions are the actual ones responsible for the wage-price spiral, what with holding the economy hostage periodically and pissing on the only ones not at the bargaining table, the non union or self employed worker. Make no mistake about unions, you cant start your own, you have to be one of the annointed organized crime ones. You try to start your own union, and you end up in a shallow grave in the desert or in a cubed junk car being fed into a foundry pot. The only fair method of negotiations with a union is to have a non union entity also in the bargain, but unions have, in collusion with the dems made any version of competition impossible, having been granted a de facto monopoly for the public to pay for.  You sir are purely delusional but then again it might make a great Hollywood plot run wih it! |
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| smokahontas User ID: 23237790 United States12/06/2012 04:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I prefer down with Rickster and the whole Repo establishment. Think BIG! We live in an inverted totalitarian state, soon to be a full blown dictatorship. Political parties are a diversion and the President is a puppet, has been for 150 years. "I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire "Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley |
| ANNONYMOUS (OP) User ID: 8415236 United States12/06/2012 04:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I prefer down with Rickster and the whole Repo establishment. Think BIG! We live in an inverted totalitarian state, soon to be a full blown dictatorship. Political parties are a diversion and the President is a puppet, has been for 150 years. I'm not sure what you are smoking but I sure would check its quality! Just sayin.......... |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 25390958 United States12/06/2012 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not to bust your bubble or anything, but the unions were the primary reason for the auto industry bailout. Unions have been holding GM hostage for decades and a lot of it is complete and total bullshit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18432713 moren that, the unions are the actual ones responsible for the wage-price spiral, what with holding the economy hostage periodically and pissing on the only ones not at the bargaining table, the non union or self employed worker. Make no mistake about unions, you cant start your own, you have to be one of the annointed organized crime ones. You try to start your own union, and you end up in a shallow grave in the desert or in a cubed junk car being fed into a foundry pot. The only fair method of negotiations with a union is to have a non union entity also in the bargain, but unions have, in collusion with the dems made any version of competition impossible, having been granted a de facto monopoly for the public to pay for. You sir are purely delusional but then again it might make a great Hollywood plot run wih it! And you can gfys sideways beeyatch. In case you didnt notice, I dont need your approval and someone else beside me should teach you that simply because you say something doesnt make it so, so, gfys. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 25390958 United States12/06/2012 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh contrare I have a BA from the U of M with a concentration in US History. Perhaps you have heard of the U its in A2. awww, a whole BA, and only one? tool, even if it were true, and it aint you apparently didnt pay attention or had that Mckinnon bitch for all your classes. |
| smokahontas User ID: 23237790 United States12/06/2012 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh contrare I have a BA from the U of M with a concentration in US History. Perhaps you have heard of the U its in A2. You have a degree in history? Then you should be familiar with the Reese Committe and the real history that is not taught in schools, The Rothschild banking dynasty and Operation mockingbird? The charters of the 1st and 2nd banks of the United States? that both sides of every war since the revolution has been controlled on both sides by the same people. Last Edited by smokahontas on 12/06/2012 04:56 PM "I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire "Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley |
| smokahontas User ID: 23237790 United States12/06/2012 05:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire "Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 25390958 United States12/06/2012 05:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not to bust your bubble or anything, but the unions were the primary reason for the auto industry bailout. Unions have been holding GM hostage for decades and a lot of it is complete and total bullshit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18432713 moren that, the unions are the actual ones responsible for the wage-price spiral, what with holding the economy hostage periodically and pissing on the only ones not at the bargaining table, the non union or self employed worker. Make no mistake about unions, you cant start your own, you have to be one of the annointed organized crime ones. You try to start your own union, and you end up in a shallow grave in the desert or in a cubed junk car being fed into a foundry pot. The only fair method of negotiations with a union is to have a non union entity also in the bargain, but unions have, in collusion with the dems made any version of competition impossible, having been granted a de facto monopoly for the public to pay for. I don't mind the unions organizing private employers quite so much. What is really bad is the public employee unions like teacher unions. They have an actual monopoly and can force us to pay taxes to pay their contracts. As FDR said such unions should be outlawed. obviously any deal made between consenting parties is acceptable, but consenting doesnt include picket lines, union thugs, beatings, sabotage, mafia hits, etc. The unions have taken their dues and instead of investing them in something productive, have looted them for their officers, and now seek the public they have looted once already, to pay their pay and bennies for them yet again, so, in theory a deal is a deal, but a deal with a gun to your head is no deal, public entity or private company, the history is rife with union thugs shutting out competitions eg 'scabs' and destroying company property, so, in effect that's not a fair deal, it is essentially a deal where the public pays the ransom and the management and union keep shut and take their money. Until an employer has the honest choice of union, AND nonunion labor, it is still a hostage situation, and all outside parties are the ones paying the ransom |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 8415236 United States12/06/2012 05:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh contrare I have a BA from the U of M with a concentration in US History. Perhaps you have heard of the U its in A2. awww, a whole BA, and only one? tool, even if it were true, and it aint you apparently didnt pay attention or had that Mckinnon bitch for all your classes. Aha a doubting Thomas. Add to that an MA from Eastern Michigan and a year and a half at Wayne State's School of Law. No Mc when I was there but then again I am probably twice your age. Try William Leslie/Shaw Livermore etc.. I hate to say it but you really should lay off the revisionist bullshit. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 25390958 United States12/06/2012 05:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh contrare I have a BA from the U of M with a concentration in US History. Perhaps you have heard of the U its in A2. You have a degree in history? Then you should be familiar with the Reese Committe and the real history that is not taught in schools, The Rothschild banking dynasty and Operation mockingbird? The charters of the 1st and 2nd banks of the United States? that both sides of every war since the revolution has been controlled on both sides by the same people. he specialized in liberal history and no doubt roomed at the chabad house. If one pays attention, union history communistm and zionist history are inseparable and all serve the same goal |
| smokahontas User ID: 23237790 United States12/06/2012 05:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well I guess he is not aware of the things I have brought up. Not a student of history I guess, even if you have a degree, most are educated idiots. "I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire "Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1243271 United States12/06/2012 05:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| ANNONYMOUS (OP) User ID: 8415236 United States12/06/2012 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh contrare I have a BA from the U of M with a concentration in US History. Perhaps you have heard of the U its in A2. You have a degree in history? Then you should be familiar with the Reese Committe and the real history that is not taught in schools, The Rothschild banking dynasty and Operation mockingbird? The charters of the 1st and 2nd banks of the United States? that both sides of every war since the revolution has been controlled on both sides by the same people. he specialized in liberal history and no doubt roomed at the chabad house. If one pays attention, union history communistm and zionist history are inseparable and all serve the same goal Sorry ASSHOLE it was West Quad. Take your anti-semetism to Stormfront where it belongs! |
| ANNONYMOUS (OP) User ID: 8415236 United States12/06/2012 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| smokahontas User ID: 23237790 United States12/06/2012 05:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well I guess he is not aware of the things I have brought up. Not a student of history I guess, even if you have a degree, most are educated idiots. Quoting: smokahontas Well I have run into them as well but they always seem to fair better than the un-educated ones such as you! Why would you assume that I am uneducated you pompass fucking asshole. I was just waiting for a response to my questions. You have insulted me three times so far, that does not lead me to believe your very bright. Since you live in Michigan that pretty much seals it. Enjoy your shithole of a state. "I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire "Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 25390958 United States12/06/2012 05:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: ANNONYMOUS 8415236 Oh contrare I have a BA from the U of M with a concentration in US History. Perhaps you have heard of the U its in A2. You have a degree in history? Then you should be familiar with the Reese Committe and the real history that is not taught in schools, The Rothschild banking dynasty and Operation mockingbird? The charters of the 1st and 2nd banks of the United States? that both sides of every war since the revolution has been controlled on both sides by the same people. he specialized in liberal history and no doubt roomed at the chabad house. If one pays attention, union history communistm and zionist history are inseparable and all serve the same goal Sorry ASSHOLE it was West Quad. Take your anti-semetism to Stormfront where it belongs! I seriously doubt that, it was certainly east quad with all the other heterophobes. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11803834 United States12/06/2012 07:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah the auto industry employs very few people in the area of MI I live in. The factories around here are all non-union now, paying 8-12/hr. It seems like the service industry is the only thing employing a good deal of people and they're not going to unionize unless you agree to pay $10 for your cheeseburger from now on. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11803834 Well good luck to you on that hourly rate. $10 per hour equates to about $21,000 gross. After taxes and Soc Sec perhaps $18,000 a year clear. Your people are LIVING BELOW the poverty rate! No shit, how do you propose the wages are raised without a huge increase in price, or just more off-shoring when workers demand a living wage? The charitable elites decide they won't get paid anymore? Why would they do that? Or, alternately, wages become 'liveable' across the board, prices all rise accordingly, and we're in the same place, but carrying around more pieces of paper than before to get the same things? Wow you must live under a rock. The price increases have and will continue. Prices aren't receeding. 9% actual increase this year alone. It's the wages that for the most part have not kept up with the rate of inflation. In short that means tha the standard of living of a large number of Americans has in reality declined. The only reason this has not created a revolution was EASY CREDIT. Credit took the place of wage increases allowing the average person to maintain their standard of living as long as they payed it back. Of course prices have been fucking increasing, the money supply has grown and gone almost solely into the pockets of those at the top. The money supply doesn't care who gets the money, just that it exists. I agree that it's not fair, and people deserve a real wage. With globalism though unions will do nothing but encourage the elites to pack more shit up to take it overseas for child labor. The only reason they haven't totally yet is so that we have just enough money to keep buying the shit they sell. Unions are not the answer anymore. The owners of capital have enough money and the means to go anywhere in the world. All we'll do is lose more jobs. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11803834 United States12/06/2012 07:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | On the other hand, there is no union conspiracy. No one is a member of a union in the US hardly at all. We have almost no unions. Maybe people wouldn't have such sour grapes against them if they stopped funding political campaigns with dues. It's pretty funny though that people at GM who can barely read or write are making $60. I know many of them personally from living here in MI |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11803834 United States12/06/2012 07:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As soon as the Chinese have the disposable bullshit consumer culture we wallow in and some expendable dough, they'll close the doors on America once and for all. Then when they get too 'greedy' there, ie want a real life, they'll move elsewhere and repeat the cycle again. |
| Old MacDonald User ID: 28707337  Canada12/06/2012 07:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did someone say Union Busting........GOOD In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act - George Orwell Rachel Maddow is HOT!!! - Seriously I'd hit it. A VOTE FOR JUSTIN TRUDEAU IN 2015, WOULD BE THE MOST COWARDLY & IRRESPONSIBLE THING A CANADIAN CITIZEN COULD DO TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE. GUN GRABBERS ARE THE COMMON ENEMY OF ALL PEOPLE. GUN CONTROL HAS RESULTED IN THE SLAUGHTER OF 262 MILLION CITIZENS BY THEIR GOVERNMENTS OVER THE PAST 100 YEARS. THE LIBERAL PARTY OF CANADA & THE NDP ENDORSE GUN CONTROL, AN ESSENTIAL POLICY OF HITLER, STALIN, MAO, POL POT, EDI AMIN, QADDAFI, SADDAM, ASSAD, & EVERY OTHER TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT THIS PAST CENTURY. CANADIANS MUST NEVER FORGET THE BETRAYAL OF BILLS C-68 & C-17. WE MUST NOT REST UNTIL THEY ARE FULLY REPEALED. C-19 WAS A GOOD START......BUT JUST A START. GET OFF YOUR COLLECTIVE ASSES AND MAKE AN IMPACT. WE HAVE 26 MONTHS. I, THEE BOB, SWEAR ON THE ALTER OF GOD TO FIGHT ALL FORMS OF CANADIAN TYRANNY AND SAVE MY COUNTRY FROM THE EVILS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER. I WILL NEVER HAND IN MY GUNS. EVER. I AM A FREE MAN, I WILL NOT BE THE BITCH OF THE SOCIALIST ESTABLISHMENT. LEAVE ME ALONE. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27889364 United States12/06/2012 07:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 30 year union member here.right across the lake.we are fucked.maybe not as fucked as MI but fucked just the same.we cost to much we are being locked out of jobs.pickett lines are ignored.the recession has worked just like they wanted.every man for himself.at least i have a trade and can find some work.this shit will never get fixed in my lifetime.even the local governments are "privatizing"every thing.rahm is just as bad a union buster as the govs of MI and WI.out of 30 or so tradesmen i talked to only 2 voted for O.as many people are waking up to half pay beats no pay.great living in such a progressive state.10% sales tax.8000 property tax.5% state income tax.and god help you if you smoke,drink or drive.by the way my neghbor acrooss the lake ,we are probably building 5 casinos over here so that sucks for you s/w MI folks . |
| ANNONYMOUS (OP) User ID: 8415236 United States12/06/2012 07:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: ANNONYMOUS 8415236 Well good luck to you on that hourly rate. $10 per hour equates to about $21,000 gross. After taxes and Soc Sec perhaps $18,000 a year clear. Your people are LIVING BELOW the poverty rate! No shit, how do you propose the wages are raised without a huge increase in price, or just more off-shoring when workers demand a living wage? The charitable elites decide they won't get paid anymore? Why would they do that? Or, alternately, wages become 'liveable' across the board, prices all rise accordingly, and we're in the same place, but carrying around more pieces of paper than before to get the same things? Wow you must live under a rock. The price increases have and will continue. Prices aren't receeding. 9% actual increase this year alone. It's the wages that for the most part have not kept up with the rate of inflation. In short that means tha the standard of living of a large number of Americans has in reality declined. The only reason this has not created a revolution was EASY CREDIT. Credit took the place of wage increases allowing the average person to maintain their standard of living as long as they payed it back. Of course prices have been fucking increasing, the money supply has grown and gone almost solely into the pockets of those at the top. The money supply doesn't care who gets the money, just that it exists. I agree that it's not fair, and people deserve a real wage. With globalism though unions will do nothing but encourage the elites to pack more shit up to take it overseas for child labor. The only reason they haven't totally yet is so that we have just enough money to keep buying the shit they sell. Unions are not the answer anymore. The owners of capital have enough money and the means to go anywhere in the world. All we'll do is lose more jobs. Perhaps, but I would maintain that capital or no these corporate clowns must be able to sell their wares whatever they might be. Otherwise no big salaries/no happy stockholders. The answer is withdraw to North American produced products. If you want to sell it here then you make it here and you pay our people accordingly so that they can buy what they produce. Don't con the public into thinking CREDIT is an extra paycheck to be used to maintain ones standard of living because it isn't. As I have said previously the UNIONS are the only ones other than CEOs and that ilk to even come close to keeping even with inflation. I will tell you the creation of a huge middle class made up disproportionally of Union people was a master stroke but it also created a huge amount of envy on the part of those who were not so fortunate. The crazy part is as the Union wages went up so did the income of those less skilled and less fortunate. The same is true on the downside yet they can't even seem to comprehend this. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11803834 United States12/06/2012 07:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes there must be some sort of far more radical solution to saving any hope for a future middle class than people are seeing. The middle class is literally disappearing and morphing into a society of the ultra rich and government dependent poor. It didn't help that the government kept enabling employers to pay nothing through entitlement programs, which people think help them but really just let the business owners pay starvation wages and still have you show up every day. So in conclusion, not necessarily anti-union here...but I think we need to look at some other solutions, more along the line of what you said about products having to be made here to be purchased or something along those lines? No easy answers |
| ANNONYMOUS (OP) User ID: 8415236 United States12/06/2012 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes there must be some sort of far more radical solution to saving any hope for a future middle class than people are seeing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11803834 The middle class is literally disappearing and morphing into a society of the ultra rich and government dependent poor. It didn't help that the government kept enabling employers to pay nothing through entitlement programs, which people think help them but really just let the business owners pay starvation wages and still have you show up every day. So in conclusion, not necessarily anti-union here...but I think we need to look at some other solutions, more along the line of what you said about products having to be made here to be purchased or something along those lines? No easy answers Absolutely! But there is one thing I see clearly destroying the Unions is no answer at all and will leave this country in a far worse position then it currently is. That is what the Rickster and his cohorts see as nirvana. |
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| Old MacDonald User ID: 28707337 Canada12/06/2012 08:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Union Scum --->  <--- The Rest of usWelcome to 2012 We are ALL BROKE In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act - George Orwell Rachel Maddow is HOT!!! - Seriously I'd hit it. A VOTE FOR JUSTIN TRUDEAU IN 2015, WOULD BE THE MOST COWARDLY & IRRESPONSIBLE THING A CANADIAN CITIZEN COULD DO TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE. GUN GRABBERS ARE THE COMMON ENEMY OF ALL PEOPLE. GUN CONTROL HAS RESULTED IN THE SLAUGHTER OF 262 MILLION CITIZENS BY THEIR GOVERNMENTS OVER THE PAST 100 YEARS. THE LIBERAL PARTY OF CANADA & THE NDP ENDORSE GUN CONTROL, AN ESSENTIAL POLICY OF HITLER, STALIN, MAO, POL POT, EDI AMIN, QADDAFI, SADDAM, ASSAD, & EVERY OTHER TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT THIS PAST CENTURY. CANADIANS MUST NEVER FORGET THE BETRAYAL OF BILLS C-68 & C-17. WE MUST NOT REST UNTIL THEY ARE FULLY REPEALED. C-19 WAS A GOOD START......BUT JUST A START. GET OFF YOUR COLLECTIVE ASSES AND MAKE AN IMPACT. WE HAVE 26 MONTHS. I, THEE BOB, SWEAR ON THE ALTER OF GOD TO FIGHT ALL FORMS OF CANADIAN TYRANNY AND SAVE MY COUNTRY FROM THE EVILS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER. I WILL NEVER HAND IN MY GUNS. EVER. I AM A FREE MAN, I WILL NOT BE THE BITCH OF THE SOCIALIST ESTABLISHMENT. LEAVE ME ALONE. |
