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truthwillsetyoufreeagain  User ID: 23952927  United States12/16/2012 03:05 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: truthwillsetyoufreeagain It's disgusting. This young woman hid her class in the closet and when the shooter came into her room told him the kids are all in the gym. He shot her and walked out of the room. By all accounts she was an amazing person and she adored the kids in her class and they adored her. I expect before long someone will post on here that she's not really dead. truthwillsetyoufreeagain: Just as a matter of debate, HOW do you know that - how do you know what she or anyone really did? I believe this is the teacher one of the fathers was speaking about - (as he spoke for his son who was not on camera) - and HIS story was that she and the kids were in a room, the shooter came in, shot her, and the kids ran out past him . . . AND the father says the boy told him that the shooter HAD NO FACIAL EXPRESSION . . . but all reports say he was wearing a mask! The story is so muddied, so convoluted, it's impossible for even the most intelligent and discerning people to make any definitive statements . . . other than that it's muddied and convoluted. True, I don't 100% know that's what she did. But in reading about her she seems like a pretty decent person. If someone did set that page up in tribute to her, there are no tributes. Just people arguing about when the page was put up and what the motive was. Maybe that was the intent, for the person to have his five minutes, even anonymously. For those that think there is something suspicious about that page, who exactly do you think put it up in advance of the killing spree? And why? But you didn't address the conflicting info about the teacher and the boy saying the shooter had no facial expression . . . I make those points to show the incredible contradictions floating around. As for the FB page, I'm not sure what that's all about or what the implication is . . . if it was a psyop, someone would have been stupid to create that before the event date. Right now, it appears there's a lot of protesting going on over there about conspiracy theorists. If the URL can be changed and apparently some have proven it can, perhaps it would help if the person who created the page would come forward and explain what their intent was when they created it on the 10th. I didn't hear anyone say the name of the teacher being Ms. Soto where the class ran out. Six hundred students = many classes. I believe that it's two different teachers. As far as the mask, he might have worn it for part of the time and then taken it off. Of course this whole thing is going to be muddled and convoluted. When one person gets murdered it can take quite a while to sort out all the facts. Twenty-eight murders, a killer who is no longer alive, and it's not even 48 hours. If it was some kind of planned operation to create the FB page, then that group is awful stupid and incompetent. Yet, they're smart enough to fake the deaths of 28 children/adults and convince all the relatives that their loved ones are dead. I too was thinking that the person who created the page should come forward to explain themselves. Last Edited by truthwillsetyoufreeagain on 12/16/2012 03:06 AM  ______________ As long as I am an American citizen and American blood runs in these veins I shall hold myself at liberty to speak, to write, and to publish whatever I please on any subject.” - Elijah Parish Lovejoy(1802-1837) All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent...Thomas Jefferson The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government...Thomas Jefferson When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty...Thomas Jefferson Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains to bring it to light...George Washington |
| Debauchery User ID: 15455863 United States12/16/2012 03:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Debauchery I've said in other threads that I'm on the fence about the events that took place, I am reading about and going over everything, I haven't come to a conclusion about the shooter or shooters, why it happened, how it happened, who was involved or anything else. The only thing I will say I'm 100% certain of is that 28 people were murdered. Why are you 100% certain? Upon what do you base such certainty? I simply cannot understand how anyone can make such definitive statements - unless they were there, personally witnessing the event - and I asumme you were not there. I didn't witness a lot of murders but I'm sure they happened. I know it's tough to believe in a perfect world/country such as this, I mean there aren't psychos wondering around, rapists, serial killers, mass murderers, disturbed individuals with mental problems, on powerful medications and so on. I didn't realize I had to see shit in order for it to be true. Is that how it works now? It's idiotic to think an entire community and a school full of children, hundreds of them with hundreds of parents are just lying and going along with a fake story. It wouldn't fly. Too many people involved, way too many. Families all across the country will come forward and speak of their dead relatives, still it wont be good enough for you people. There's absolutely no reason to think anyone would fabricate the murder of 26 children. They're dead, how many parents need to come forward before you people get it? Do you need to see their little bodies in person, torn apart and riddled with bullets to be sure? Autopsy photos? It's not going to happen. People are murdered EVERY DAY, there's no need to fabricate shit. If anything is being made up here it's about who did it, why it happened and who may have been pulling the strings. But hey..why don't you drive there and find out for yourself, or at the very least contact the parents of the fake dead children. I think your anger and emotions are convoluting your ability to logically discuss a topic. You need to calm down and be nice. First of all, I have not formed an opinion about what happened . . . I'm open-minded to know that ANYTHING is possible, plausible, likely in these times. If you were a person who believes in rational skepticism, you wouldn't believe just anything you're told, especially by the media and government. You say you didn't witness a lot of murders but you're sure they happened . . . how? Just saying that some things can be proven, others cannot. I won't address the histrionics in your post - but you need to stop and think about WHY those parents were denied the right to see their own children and why they were shown photos to ID them. If you have children, would YOU tolerate that? I sure as hell would not. Most parents would not - they'd be screaming to the rafters, tearing through blockades, doing whatever they could to get to their babies. So, as of right now, as far as we all know, there is NO proof that those children are dead. They likely are indeed deceased, but there are numerous unanswered questions, countless contradictions, and a story too muddied to decipher. Sorry you refuse to recognize and acknowledge the truths of all the deceit. I have logically discussed the situation. I've made my thoughts on it very clear. I've stated repeatedly I don't believe the official story but that I do believe 28 people are dead. What is your beef with that? What you're allowed to believe what you want but I'm wrong for believing the way I do? That's the gist of this conversation between the two of us. You initiated this little back and forth debate. Never quite satisfied with my response. Belief..do you know what it means? I believe the father that came forward and spoke of his dead daughter. I believe the mother of the teacher that came forward. I believe their statements. I believe we will all be seeing photos and videos of 20+ caskets in the very near future. We aren't going to agree on this. Even when you see the caskets I'm sure you'll deny the obvious. And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it. I am an evil giraffe, and I shall eat more leaves from this tree than perhaps I should, so that other giraffes may die. |
| truthwillsetyoufreeagain User ID: 23952927 United States12/16/2012 03:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And I also think a good part of why the story is so muddled is due to the lame stream media. In their rush for ratings, instead of confirming what they are putting on the air (as in the old days), they just throw anything on the air, whether it be rumor, supposition, something to suit their agenda, and present it as fact. ______________ As long as I am an American citizen and American blood runs in these veins I shall hold myself at liberty to speak, to write, and to publish whatever I please on any subject.” - Elijah Parish Lovejoy(1802-1837) All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent...Thomas Jefferson The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government...Thomas Jefferson When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty...Thomas Jefferson Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains to bring it to light...George Washington |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29993976 United States12/16/2012 03:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have logically discussed the situation. Quoting: Debauchery I've made my thoughts on it very clear. I've stated repeatedly I don't believe the official story but that I do believe 28 people are dead. What is your beef with that? What you're allowed to believe what you want but I'm wrong for believing the way I do? That's the gist of this conversation between the two of us. You initiated this little back and forth debate. Never quite satisfied with my response. Belief..do you know what it means? I believe the father that came forward and spoke of his dead daughter. I believe the mother of the teacher that came forward. I believe their statements. I believe we will all be seeing photos and videos of 20+ caskets in the very near future. We aren't going to agree on this. Even when you see the caskets I'm sure you'll deny the obvious. Bleh, I ignore posters who are so utterly illogical and refuse to employ intelligent reason and healthy skepticism. Run along now and believe what you will. |
| Debauchery User ID: 15455863 United States12/16/2012 03:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And I also think a good part of why the story is so muddled is due to the lame stream media. In their rush for ratings, instead of confirming what they are putting on the air (as in the old days), they just throw anything on the air, whether it be rumor, supposition, something to suit their agenda, and present it as fact. Quoting: truthwillsetyoufreeagain If they gave it to us straight they wouldn't be able to milk any more air time out of it, would they? You can bet they're all orgasmic over the number of victims. My god the news stories they can do on each person, it'll be 6 months or more before it's calmed down and then we'll be approaching the anniversary of the massacre. Last Edited by Debauchery on 12/16/2012 03:18 AM And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it. I am an evil giraffe, and I shall eat more leaves from this tree than perhaps I should, so that other giraffes may die. |
| Debauchery User ID: 15455863 United States12/16/2012 03:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have logically discussed the situation. Quoting: Debauchery I've made my thoughts on it very clear. I've stated repeatedly I don't believe the official story but that I do believe 28 people are dead. What is your beef with that? What you're allowed to believe what you want but I'm wrong for believing the way I do? That's the gist of this conversation between the two of us. You initiated this little back and forth debate. Never quite satisfied with my response. Belief..do you know what it means? I believe the father that came forward and spoke of his dead daughter. I believe the mother of the teacher that came forward. I believe their statements. I believe we will all be seeing photos and videos of 20+ caskets in the very near future. We aren't going to agree on this. Even when you see the caskets I'm sure you'll deny the obvious. Bleh, I ignore posters who are so utterly illogical and refuse to employ intelligent reason and healthy skepticism. Run along now and believe what you will. You too. Get back to me when you find out they are in fact dead. Fool. And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it. I am an evil giraffe, and I shall eat more leaves from this tree than perhaps I should, so that other giraffes may die. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29993976 United States12/16/2012 03:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And I also think a good part of why the story is so muddled is due to the lame stream media. In their rush for ratings, instead of confirming what they are putting on the air (as in the old days), they just throw anything on the air, whether it be rumor, supposition, something to suit their agenda, and present it as fact. Quoting: truthwillsetyoufreeagain On that, we agree, very irresponsible reporting . . . but they are bought and paid for, no doubt. madworld (didn't log in) |
| truthwillsetyoufreeagain User ID: 23952927 United States12/16/2012 03:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have logically discussed the situation. Quoting: Debauchery I've made my thoughts on it very clear. I've stated repeatedly I don't believe the official story but that I do believe 28 people are dead. What is your beef with that? What you're allowed to believe what you want but I'm wrong for believing the way I do? That's the gist of this conversation between the two of us. You initiated this little back and forth debate. Never quite satisfied with my response. Belief..do you know what it means? I believe the father that came forward and spoke of his dead daughter. I believe the mother of the teacher that came forward. I believe their statements. I believe we will all be seeing photos and videos of 20+ caskets in the very near future. We aren't going to agree on this. Even when you see the caskets I'm sure you'll deny the obvious. Bleh, I ignore posters who are so utterly illogical and refuse to employ intelligent reason and healthy skepticism. Run along now and believe what you will. Nothing wrong with some healthy skepticism. The operative word being "healthy." ______________ As long as I am an American citizen and American blood runs in these veins I shall hold myself at liberty to speak, to write, and to publish whatever I please on any subject.” - Elijah Parish Lovejoy(1802-1837) All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent...Thomas Jefferson The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government...Thomas Jefferson When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty...Thomas Jefferson Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains to bring it to light...George Washington |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29993976 United States12/16/2012 03:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh good comeback. Playground much? Your anger and hate-filled character come through so strongly on this forum (and in your anonymous karma voting). Very sad. Now please, move on to others who might want to engage you in the types of domineering debate you so obviously crave. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 28897562 United States12/16/2012 03:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Bushido User ID: 1679487  Netherlands12/16/2012 03:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This? : [link to www.insidefacebook.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 28897562 United States12/16/2012 03:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Debauchery User ID: 15455863 United States12/16/2012 03:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh good comeback. Playground much? Your anger and hate-filled character come through so strongly on this forum (and in your anonymous karma voting). Very sad. Now please, move on to others who might want to engage you in the types of domineering debate you so obviously crave. My karma isn't anonymous. Don't point a finger unless you know what you are talking about. Your karma, however, was anonymous. Sign your name next time. Last Edited by Debauchery on 12/16/2012 03:37 AM And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it. I am an evil giraffe, and I shall eat more leaves from this tree than perhaps I should, so that other giraffes may die. |
| *~Yiskah~* User ID: 18783189 United States12/16/2012 03:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay, I just looked on facebook, for all the staff that were killed. None of them had a facebook page, until after the shootings, then someone else apparently made pages in memory for them. I find it odd that none any of these staff members did not have a facebook page. I realized not everyone has one, but most teachers I know, have their own page. Plus, looking on at the pages that were created for these people, there are a lot "comments," but in reading them (and no, I didn't go through all of them, but quite a few) I did not see any from family members or family. I just lost two very close friends recently, and the day of, and the days following their deaths, their family members and relatives posted on their profiles. It seems to be a way for family and friends to say their goodbyes. |
| Debauchery User ID: 15455863 United States12/16/2012 03:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay, I just looked on facebook, for all the staff that were killed. None of them had a facebook page, until after the shootings, then someone else apparently made pages in memory for them. I find it odd that none any of these staff members did not have a facebook page. I realized not everyone has one, but most teachers I know, have their own page. Quoting: *~Yiskah~* Plus, looking on at the pages that were created for these people, there are a lot "comments," but in reading them (and no, I didn't go through all of them, but quite a few) I did not see any from family members or family. I just lost two very close friends recently, and the day of, and the days following their deaths, their family members and relatives posted on their profiles. It seems to be a way for family and friends to say their goodbyes. They have sites..myschooldesk.net. School related of course but they're there. You can look at them if you go to this link.. [link to newtown.sandyhook.schooldesk.net] And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it. I am an evil giraffe, and I shall eat more leaves from this tree than perhaps I should, so that other giraffes may die. |
| GooliaJulia User ID: 12655659 United States12/16/2012 04:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | :MV8yMDgyNzQ3XzM1MDcxMDY3XzU2NzU5MkUy] Quoting: Foodstampok well since someone was able to take one of the memorial pages and cache it in google and find out that it was formally this [link to webcache.googleusercontent.com] Quoting: GooliaJulia some iglasias fan page which was turned into the new memorial page... how come when I try to do it with [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] page nothing comes up absolutely nothing meaning that this page was nothing, there would of been a cache to correct? I mean if it was changed? I used this. [link to www.akshatblog.com] it might not have indexed into google yet. takes a while sometimes. ah that I did not know Sheep the moon |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11995984 United States12/16/2012 04:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If this was her personal page and someone just changed the name after her death, it appears she wasn't active at all since creating it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29888516 Very odd. that's what happens when you try to make reality out of bs and it nvr happened....they mess up..go figure..look at news fk'n up the whole day- it's all BS no kids died and it nvr happened it's just way to get gun bans yet again another hoax! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11995984 United States12/16/2012 05:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | a youtube record of this page and all on it.. Quoting: FreedomWrangler [link to www.youtube.com] STINKS STINKS STINKS. ... MORE AND MORE EVERY MINUTE! And this photo uploaded is not a family or personal photo, it is a crop from ABC news as if you look at the photo. So no personal family member created this page or it would have been a family or personalized photo, not a news channels release! Fishy SOMEONE TOOK THE PAGE DOWN..WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO SEE PEOPLE ACTUALLY GET THAT RECORDED SO THEY COULD UPLOAD EVERYTIME IT WAS TAKEN DOWN! UNTIL I HAD BEEN THERE TO SEE THE 28 CORPSES ALL BULLET RIDDEN TAKEN OUT OF THAT SCHOOL AND PROVEN REAL I WILL NVR BELIEVE THIS HAPPENED!  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11995984 United States12/16/2012 05:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 20115308 United States12/16/2012 06:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Could have been the shooter if this was real date.they said they found smashed computers at his home and proof why hd did it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29964885 Maybe he was in love with Victoria and she didn't return his feelings so he went on a rampage, and the facebook page was made by him on the 10th?? I'm thinking the same thing |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 9094168  United Kingdom12/16/2012 06:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.bbc.co.uk] at around 10 minutes it then goes on to say how another teacher locked the children in a BATHROOM she told the children to be quiet, she told them she loved them all..blub blub... I take it that the BAHTROOM lock-in was BEFORE the CUPBOARD lock-in ?? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 9094168 United Kingdom12/16/2012 06:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| INK3 User ID: 25650162 United States12/16/2012 07:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought this was odd (from the RIP Sandy Hook Elementary FB) "Alexis, a 3rd grader at Sandy Hook Elementary told News 8 there was a lot of police activity Friday morning immediately after reports of a shooting came out." Immediately? How so? "When tyrants tremble in their fear, and hear their death knell ringing, When friends rejoice both far and near, how can I keep from singing" page7 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 219249 United States12/16/2012 07:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Sir Phydeau User ID: 22271457 United States12/16/2012 07:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay, I just looked on facebook, for all the staff that were killed. None of them had a facebook page, until after the shootings, then someone else apparently made pages in memory for them. I find it odd that none any of these staff members did not have a facebook page. I realized not everyone has one, but most teachers I know, have their own page. Quoting: *~Yiskah~* Plus, looking on at the pages that were created for these people, there are a lot "comments," but in reading them (and no, I didn't go through all of them, but quite a few) I did not see any from family members or family. I just lost two very close friends recently, and the day of, and the days following their deaths, their family members and relatives posted on their profiles. It seems to be a way for family and friends to say their goodbyes. Yup, I had to "manage" my mom's page after she passed in May. Not that it was a task that needed being done, but she was flooded with friend requests and subsequent postings to the thing for weeks after. Granted, she spent a lot of time on there but still the point you made is quite accurate. People like to make their mark upon someone's passing for some reason. "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?" — John M. Keynes "The way to see by [blind] faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin Real men keep Torah. Knighted into the Army of Yahuwah on 10-9-10. Dear disaffected Democrats: Welcome to the Libertarian Party, we think you will find our social tolerance delightful. However in exchange for this, you're going to have to find a way to be ok with people keeping their guns and more of their money. Dear disaffected Republicans: Welcome to the Libertarian Party, we think you will find our small government economic policies to your liking. However in exchange you will have to find a way to be ok with "the gays" getting married. Snacks are on the table, help yourself. Please introduce yourself to someone on "the other side", you might be astonished just how much you actually have in common. |
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| SuperPet225 User ID: 29058315  Colombia12/16/2012 08:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | a youtube record of this page and all on it.. Quoting: FreedomWrangler [link to www.youtube.com] STINKS STINKS STINKS. ... MORE AND MORE EVERY MINUTE! the video has been removed PLEASE KEEP A RECORD OF EVERYTHING IN A SEPARATE HARD DRIVE TO EVERYONE: PLEASE TAKE PICTURES, EVERYTHING YOU CAN, SCREENSHOTS, THIS IS ESSENTIAL INFORMATION AND THE GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO TAKE IT OUT, WE NEED IT AS EVIDENCE SuperPet225 |
| SuperPet225 User ID: 29058315 Colombia12/16/2012 08:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | its amazing how this site has many sherlock holmes ppl, running around finding the truth and getting angry about their findings..but even if you had 20 "smoking guns" nothing will happen to correct this horrendous act against humanity! as you see children being killed everyday through violence or lack of food and water but nothing happens nothing changes!..R.I.P children and R.I.P JUSTICE. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29852170 hey anonymous coward from the uk, how much is the government paying you to spread your lies and deception in forums where smart people go to because they get properly informed? you know we don't fall for such cheap tricks so you better back off SuperPet225 |
