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UPDATE: Sandy Hook Inconsistencies Abound - Survivors from Ms. Soto's class - Censored by WTIC radio

 
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UPDATE: Sandy Hook Inconsistencies Abound - Survivors from Ms. Soto's class - Censored by WTIC radio
Yesterday I posted the following thread on glp:

Thread: Another Sandy Hook Inconsistency - Caught on local talk radio

The thread deals with a person who called in to WTIC's Jim Vicevich show regarding his granddaughter, one of the surviving students from Ms. Soto's class. He said she escaped by running out of the room with other children. He sounded genuine, though we have no way of knowing at this point if he was.

What he said was problematic, because the media reported that the survivors from Ms. Soto's class were found by police still hiding in the closet after the shooting. [link to www.courant.com] Thus the two accounts are in conflict. Then there's the interview with the local man from Newtown who said the survivors from Ms. Soto's class fled to his house.

I called the show today to address this on air with fill in host (Vicevich was off today). The screener asked my name and what I wanted to talk about. I told him the above. I was thoroughly polite and respectful. He put me on hold for about 5 minutes. He came back and told me that the host, Pastor Will Marotti, would not take my call "because he didn't want to talk about that subject on the air." This show has a conservative slant, and they take calls from all kinds of people with all kinds of points of view. Yet they refused to take my call that pertained to a legitimate question about what happened in probably the most infamous crime in our state's history.

*********UPDATE: 12/22/12

Here's the link to the archived shows. Note, however, that Thursday 12/20's show, the show that includes the call referenced above, is not included. Perhaps they haven't put it on there yet???
[link to connecticut.cbslocal.com]

This particular issue, namely the fate of the SEVEN SURVIVORS from Ms. Soto's class is, if I may say, the smoking gun.

The other component to this is the Gene Rosen situation. Remember, he was the one who came out and found the survivors from Soto's class in his driveway. Here's the interview with Fox:

[link to www.youtube.com]

Note how at 1:04 he refers to a man "talking to the childern harshly" as the children sat in an orderly fashion. At 5:57 he mentions a FEMALE bus driver "had the presence of mind to call her superior.

I have some questions. First, the overriding one: did the seven survivors from Soto's class escape the massacre and end up at Gene Rosens as he claims, and as the caller to the Vicevich show claims; or were they found in the closet by the police officer after the shooting, as the Courant claims?

Second, if they did escape, how did they end up at Rosen's? Where is his house in relation to the school? Who was the man "talking harshly" when Rosen supposedly came upon them? Who was the bus driver?

Finally, if these children did escape, why has it been reported, with no retraction, that they were found in the closet? Those two possibilities are mutually exclusive.

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The fix is in!

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Strange...when that same grandfather was on CNN he told them the kids hid in the closet UNTILL they escaped some how maybe when the shooter left for the next classroom I don't know. Then they walked down the road and went to this guys house and sat in his driveway but not before the bus driver randomly saw them and stayed with them in the driveway.

My biggest question is who heard Ms. Soto say "the kids are in the auditorium." This statement has been rehashed many times on cnn fox etc. I just wonder how they got it.
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Strange...when that same grandfather was on CNN he told them the kids hid in the closet UNTILL they escaped some how maybe when the shooter left for the next classroom I don't know. Then they walked down the road and went to this guys house and sat in his driveway but not before the bus driver randomly saw them and stayed with them in the driveway.

My biggest question is who heard Ms. Soto say "the kids are in the auditorium." This statement has been rehashed many times on cnn fox etc. I just wonder how they got it.
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On air, he said they left while he was reloading. If they were hiding in the closet, how would they know if he was reloading? Did the closet door have windows? Wouldn't make a great hiding spot if it did...
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Nothing adds up with sotos class:

Gene Rosens story has many leaks:


Also Sotos family is not a real family. Its made up of actors:

laid out here:
Thread: Another pair of actors in Sandy hoax exposed. 100% BUSTED! (Page 12)
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Maybe:


Thread: the movie "Millennium" could explain Sandy Hook & Aurora, Co.

definitely explains all the "Actors"
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Father of one of the victims joking and smiling before getting on air, where he suddenly becomes "shaken".


We were meant to live for so much more, have we lost ourselves?
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The reporting on the Soto classroom has been contradictory. Early reports have her saving the kids by telling the shooter they were in the gym or auditorium. ....

Maybe what happened is that the kids wee hiding in a closet and they heard her say that. Then as he stopped to reload they ran out ....

Maybe the children are the ones who told authorities about the teacher saying this. Who else would?
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The reporting on the Soto classroom has been contradictory. Early reports have her saving the kids by telling the shooter they were in the gym or auditorium. ....

Maybe what happened is that the kids wee hiding in a closet and they heard her say that. Then as he stopped to reload they ran out ....

Maybe the children are the ones who told authorities about the teacher saying this. Who else would?
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But the media says the survivors from Soto's class were found by the police in the closet.

[link to www.courant.com]
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Would kids this age even know what reloading meant that they would know to escape? And if they exited the closet, the gun man just let them run by without trying to block them, hit them, shoot them with one of his other guns?
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This story is fascinating. Watching from NZ one can see that none of the official explanations make sense.
It is logical to assume that more than one person is involved in the shootings.
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The reporting on the Soto classroom has been contradictory. Early reports have her saving the kids by telling the shooter they were in the gym or auditorium. ....

Maybe what happened is that the kids wee hiding in a closet and they heard her say that. Then as he stopped to reload they ran out ....

Maybe the children are the ones who told authorities about the teacher saying this. Who else would?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1478493


But the media says the survivors from Soto's class were found by the police in the closet.

[link to www.courant.com]
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Got that on my site! Thanks. sun [link to www.sandyhookhoax.com]
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Strange...when that same grandfather was on CNN he told them the kids hid in the closet UNTILL they escaped some how maybe when the shooter left for the next classroom I don't know. Then they walked down the road and went to this guys house and sat in his driveway but not before the bus driver randomly saw them and stayed with them in the driveway.

My biggest question is who heard Ms. Soto say "the kids are in the auditorium." This statement has been rehashed many times on cnn fox etc. I just wonder how they got it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8194616


On air, he said they left while he was reloading. If they were hiding in the closet, how would they know if he was reloading? Did the closet door have windows? Wouldn't make a great hiding spot if it did...
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6-year-old kids would NOT go running out to escape just because they heard the guns stop. 6-year-olds would not escape all together like that and run down the road!!! 10-year-olds MIGHT do something like that. Maybe a couple of 6-year-olds would be that brave to venture into the hall where a scary man was just shooting, but I know children that age, and they would still be cowering in the closet until found. This must be a lie!
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See the updated info in the main body of the thread.
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Yesterday I posted the following thread on glp:

Thread: Another Sandy Hook Inconsistency - Caught on local talk radio

The thread deals with a person who called in to WTIC's Jim Vicevich show regarding his granddaughter, one of the surviving students from Ms. Soto's class. He said she escaped by running out of the room with other children. He sounded genuine, though we have no way of knowing at this point if he was.

What he said was problematic, because the media reported that the survivors from Ms. Soto's class were found by police still hiding in the closet after the shooting. [link to www.courant.com] Thus the two accounts are in conflict. Then there's the interview with the local man from Newtown who said the survivors from Ms. Soto's class fled to his house.

I called the show today to address this on air with fill in host (Vicevich was off today). The screener asked my name and what I wanted to talk about. I told him the above. I was thoroughly polite and respectful. He put me on hold for about 5 minutes. He came back and told me that the host, Pastor Will Marotti, would not take my call "because he didn't want to talk about that subject on the air." This show has a conservative slant, and they take calls from all kinds of people with all kinds of points of view. Yet they refused to take my call that pertained to a legitimate question about what happened in probably the most infamous crime in our state's history.

*********UPDATE: 12/22/12

Here's the link to the archived shows. Note, however, that Thursday 12/20's show, the show that includes the call referenced above, is not included. Perhaps they haven't put it on there yet???
[link to connecticut.cbslocal.com]

This particular issue, namely the fate of the SEVEN SURVIVORS from Ms. Soto's class is, if I may say, the smoking gun.

The other component to this is the Gene Rosen situation. Remember, he was the one who came out and found the survivors from Soto's class in his driveway. Here's the interview with Fox:

[link to www.youtube.com]

Note how at 1:04 he refers to a man "talking to the childern harshly" as the children sat in an orderly fashion. At 5:57 he mentions a FEMALE bus driver "had the presence of mind to call her superior.

I have some questions. First, the overriding one: did the seven survivors from Soto's class escape the massacre and end up at Gene Rosens as he claims, and as the caller to the Vicevich show claims; or were they found in the closet by the police officer after the shooting, as the Courant claims?

Second, if they did escape, how did they end up at Rosen's? Where is his house in relation to the school? Who was the man "talking harshly" when Rosen supposedly came upon them? Who was the bus driver?

Finally, if these children did escape, why has it been reported, with no retraction, that they were found in the closet? Those two possibilities are mutually exclusive.
 Quoting: GladioDaddy-O


MAJOR REVERSAL BY HARTFORD COURANT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT!!

just came over 40 min ago: [link to www.courant.com]

Now they're saying the survivors from Soto's class DID escape, and WERE NOT found in the closet as first reported.

I need people to take screenshots of the original article before it disapppears.

[link to www.courant.com]
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Strange...when that same grandfather was on CNN he told them the kids hid in the closet UNTILL they escaped some how maybe when the shooter left for the next classroom I don't know. Then they walked down the road and went to this guys house and sat in his driveway but not before the bus driver randomly saw them and stayed with them in the driveway.

My biggest question is who heard Ms. Soto say "the kids are in the auditorium." This statement has been rehashed many times on cnn fox etc. I just wonder how they got it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8194616


On air, he said they left while he was reloading. If they were hiding in the closet, how would they know if he was reloading? Did the closet door have windows? Wouldn't make a great hiding spot if it did...
 Quoting: GladioDaddy-O


6-year-old kids would NOT go running out to escape just because they heard the guns stop. 6-year-olds would not escape all together like that and run down the road!!! 10-year-olds MIGHT do something like that. Maybe a couple of 6-year-olds would be that brave to venture into the hall where a scary man was just shooting, but I know children that age, and they would still be cowering in the closet until found. This must be a lie!
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This is true. Six-year-old children would stay where they were put if they are scared. They would not come out.
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What I can't figure out is WHY IN THE FUCK you guys are even considering anything that Gene Rosen said?! He's such an OBVIOUS FAKE -- and is a Screen Actors' Guild member. It just boggles the mind!

If it's not credible, it must be THROWN OUT!
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What I can't figure out is WHY IN THE FUCK you guys are even considering anything that Gene Rosen said?! He's such an OBVIOUS FAKE -- and is a Screen Actors' Guild member. It just boggles the mind!

If it's not credible, it must be THROWN OUT!
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So if he's lying, then what happened?
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MAJOR REVERSAL BY HARTFORD COURANT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT!!

just came over 40 min ago: [link to www.courant.com]

Now they're saying the survivors from Soto's class DID escape, and WERE NOT found in the closet as first reported.

I need people to take screenshots of the original article before it disapppears.

[link to www.courant.com]
 Quoting: GladioDaddy-O


Really interesting. From the article:

"He killed himself as police entered the building."

This is exactly at the time in the police scanner that 'end the life of Adam' or some phrase that sounds a lot like it can be heard.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Re: UPDATE: Sandy Hook Inconsistencies Abound - Survivors from Ms. Soto's class - Censored by WTIC radio
Yesterday I posted the following thread on glp:

Thread: Another Sandy Hook Inconsistency - Caught on local talk radio

The thread deals with a person who called in to WTIC's Jim Vicevich show regarding his granddaughter, one of the surviving students from Ms. Soto's class. He said she escaped by running out of the room with other children. He sounded genuine, though we have no way of knowing at this point if he was.

What he said was problematic, because the media reported that the survivors from Ms. Soto's class were found by police still hiding in the closet after the shooting. [link to www.courant.com] Thus the two accounts are in conflict. Then there's the interview with the local man from Newtown who said the survivors from Ms. Soto's class fled to his house.

I called the show today to address this on air with fill in host (Vicevich was off today). The screener asked my name and what I wanted to talk about. I told him the above. I was thoroughly polite and respectful. He put me on hold for about 5 minutes. He came back and told me that the host, Pastor Will Marotti, would not take my call "because he didn't want to talk about that subject on the air." This show has a conservative slant, and they take calls from all kinds of people with all kinds of points of view. Yet they refused to take my call that pertained to a legitimate question about what happened in probably the most infamous crime in our state's history.

*********UPDATE: 12/22/12

Here's the link to the archived shows. Note, however, that Thursday 12/20's show, the show that includes the call referenced above, is not included. Perhaps they haven't put it on there yet???
[link to connecticut.cbslocal.com]

This particular issue, namely the fate of the SEVEN SURVIVORS from Ms. Soto's class is, if I may say, the smoking gun.

The other component to this is the Gene Rosen situation. Remember, he was the one who came out and found the survivors from Soto's class in his driveway. Here's the interview with Fox:

[link to www.youtube.com]

Note how at 1:04 he refers to a man "talking to the childern harshly" as the children sat in an orderly fashion. At 5:57 he mentions a FEMALE bus driver "had the presence of mind to call her superior.

I have some questions. First, the overriding one: did the seven survivors from Soto's class escape the massacre and end up at Gene Rosens as he claims, and as the caller to the Vicevich show claims; or were they found in the closet by the police officer after the shooting, as the Courant claims?

Second, if they did escape, how did they end up at Rosen's? Where is his house in relation to the school? Who was the man "talking harshly" when Rosen supposedly came upon them? Who was the bus driver?

Finally, if these children did escape, why has it been reported, with no retraction, that they were found in the closet? Those two possibilities are mutually exclusive.
 Quoting: GladioDaddy-O


MAJOR REVERSAL BY HARTFORD COURANT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT!!

just came over 40 min ago: [link to www.courant.com]

Now they're saying the survivors from Soto's class DID escape, and WERE NOT found in the closet as first reported.

I need people to take screenshots of the original article before it disapppears.

[link to www.courant.com]
 Quoting: GladioDaddy-O


This article conveniently leaves out the fact that Aidan Licata was said to have escaped from Soto's classroom. His parents were interviewed and said that Aidan grabbed "some other boys" and they all ran past the shooter as he stood next to the doorway just after shooting Soto. The story is that they were picked up on the road by a woman and driven to the POLICE STATION. Where Aidan's parents then picked them up.

That is at least 3 boys. Plus the 6 in Cohen's driveway. Plus 6 survived in the closet. Plus 6 shot dead. That makes at MINIMUM 21 total. Alot bigger than the other 1st grade class which was 16 total.

And the Cohen story was a big joke. Who knows how those kids really got there.
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Also from the article:


"Based on initial statements from surviving children and the fact that unfired bullets from Lanza's rifle were found on the ground"

Unfired bullets in Soto's classroom.

"They still are trying to determine how many shots Lanza fired."

Many bullets fired.


Also, keep in mind that Lanza weighed about a buck ten.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Re: UPDATE: Sandy Hook Inconsistencies Abound - Survivors from Ms. Soto's class - Censored by WTIC radio
Yesterday I posted the following thread on glp:

Thread: Another Sandy Hook Inconsistency - Caught on local talk radio

The thread deals with a person who called in to WTIC's Jim Vicevich show regarding his granddaughter, one of the surviving students from Ms. Soto's class. He said she escaped by running out of the room with other children. He sounded genuine, though we have no way of knowing at this point if he was.

What he said was problematic, because the media reported that the survivors from Ms. Soto's class were found by police still hiding in the closet after the shooting. [link to www.courant.com] Thus the two accounts are in conflict. Then there's the interview with the local man from Newtown who said the survivors from Ms. Soto's class fled to his house.

I called the show today to address this on air with fill in host (Vicevich was off today). The screener asked my name and what I wanted to talk about. I told him the above. I was thoroughly polite and respectful. He put me on hold for about 5 minutes. He came back and told me that the host, Pastor Will Marotti, would not take my call "because he didn't want to talk about that subject on the air." This show has a conservative slant, and they take calls from all kinds of people with all kinds of points of view. Yet they refused to take my call that pertained to a legitimate question about what happened in probably the most infamous crime in our state's history.

*********UPDATE: 12/22/12

Here's the link to the archived shows. Note, however, that Thursday 12/20's show, the show that includes the call referenced above, is not included. Perhaps they haven't put it on there yet???
[link to connecticut.cbslocal.com]

This particular issue, namely the fate of the SEVEN SURVIVORS from Ms. Soto's class is, if I may say, the smoking gun.

The other component to this is the Gene Rosen situation. Remember, he was the one who came out and found the survivors from Soto's class in his driveway. Here's the interview with Fox:

[link to www.youtube.com]

Note how at 1:04 he refers to a man "talking to the childern harshly" as the children sat in an orderly fashion. At 5:57 he mentions a FEMALE bus driver "had the presence of mind to call her superior.

I have some questions. First, the overriding one: did the seven survivors from Soto's class escape the massacre and end up at Gene Rosens as he claims, and as the caller to the Vicevich show claims; or were they found in the closet by the police officer after the shooting, as the Courant claims?

Second, if they did escape, how did they end up at Rosen's? Where is his house in relation to the school? Who was the man "talking harshly" when Rosen supposedly came upon them? Who was the bus driver?

Finally, if these children did escape, why has it been reported, with no retraction, that they were found in the closet? Those two possibilities are mutually exclusive.
 Quoting: GladioDaddy-O


MAJOR REVERSAL BY HARTFORD COURANT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT!!

just came over 40 min ago: [link to www.courant.com]

Now they're saying the survivors from Soto's class DID escape, and WERE NOT found in the closet as first reported.

I need people to take screenshots of the original article before it disapppears.

[link to www.courant.com]
 Quoting: GladioDaddy-O


This article conveniently leaves out the fact that Aidan Licata was said to have escaped from Soto's classroom. His parents were interviewed and said that Aidan grabbed "some other boys" and they all ran past the shooter as he stood next to the doorway just after shooting Soto. The story is that they were picked up on the road by a woman and driven to the POLICE STATION. Where Aidan's parents then picked them up.

That is at least 3 boys. Plus the 6 in Cohen's driveway. Plus 6 survived in the closet. Plus 6 shot dead. That makes at MINIMUM 21 total. Alot bigger than the other 1st grade class which was 16 total.

And the Cohen story was a big joke. Who knows how those kids really got there.
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How those kids got there is key. How far is he from the school? Who was the man "talking harshly" to the children as they sat in orderly fashion? See 1:04 of this video[link to www.youtube.com]
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This article conveniently leaves out the fact that Aidan Licata was said to have escaped from Soto's classroom. His parents were interviewed and said that Aidan grabbed "some other boys" and they all ran past the shooter as he stood next to the doorway just after shooting Soto. The story is that they were picked up on the road by a woman and driven to the POLICE STATION. Where Aidan's parents then picked them up.

That is at least 3 boys. Plus the 6 in Cohen's driveway. Plus 6 survived in the closet. Plus 6 shot dead. That makes at MINIMUM 21 total. Alot bigger than the other 1st grade class which was 16 total.

And the Cohen story was a big joke. Who knows how those kids really got there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30662905


Soto's class size must have been about 21. That's what I got out of the article too.

Rousseau's classroom was 15. 14 killed and one girl who was not in the class (but she was in school that day).

But the special ed teacher...where was the special ed class?
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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We need to find out definitively how many kids were in Soto's class. The original Courant article makes it sound like only thirteen based on the word "remaining" ; six were killed while the seven "remaining" were found in the closet. The new Courant article doesn't mention the kids in the closet at all, unless I missed that.
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We need to find out definitively how many kids were in Soto's class. The original Courant article makes it sound like only thirteen based on the word "remaining" ; six were killed while the seven "remaining" were found in the closet. The new Courant article doesn't mention the kids in the closet at all, unless I missed that.
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Whoops my bad. It does say seven were in the closet. But there must be a way to verify that (attendance records or other means) Why is this just coming out now?
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Yesterday I posted the following thread on glp:

Thread: Another Sandy Hook Inconsistency - Caught on local talk radio

The thread deals with a person who called in to WTIC's Jim Vicevich show regarding his granddaughter, one of the surviving students from Ms. Soto's class. He said she escaped by running out of the room with other children. He sounded genuine, though we have no way of knowing at this point if he was.

What he said was problematic, because the media reported that the survivors from Ms. Soto's class were found by police still hiding in the closet after the shooting. [link to www.courant.com] Thus the two accounts are in conflict. Then there's the interview with the local man from Newtown who said the survivors from Ms. Soto's class fled to his house.

I called the show today to address this on air with fill in host (Vicevich was off today). The screener asked my name and what I wanted to talk about. I told him the above. I was thoroughly polite and respectful. He put me on hold for about 5 minutes. He came back and told me that the host, Pastor Will Marotti, would not take my call "because he didn't want to talk about that subject on the air." This show has a conservative slant, and they take calls from all kinds of people with all kinds of points of view. Yet they refused to take my call that pertained to a legitimate question about what happened in probably the most infamous crime in our state's history.

*********UPDATE: 12/22/12

Here's the link to the archived shows. Note, however, that Thursday 12/20's show, the show that includes the call referenced above, is not included. Perhaps they haven't put it on there yet???
[link to connecticut.cbslocal.com]

This particular issue, namely the fate of the SEVEN SURVIVORS from Ms. Soto's class is, if I may say, the smoking gun.

The other component to this is the Gene Rosen situation. Remember, he was the one who came out and found the survivors from Soto's class in his driveway. Here's the interview with Fox:

[link to www.youtube.com]

Note how at 1:04 he refers to a man "talking to the childern harshly" as the children sat in an orderly fashion. At 5:57 he mentions a FEMALE bus driver "had the presence of mind to call her superior.

I have some questions. First, the overriding one: did the seven survivors from Soto's class escape the massacre and end up at Gene Rosens as he claims, and as the caller to the Vicevich show claims; or were they found in the closet by the police officer after the shooting, as the Courant claims?

Second, if they did escape, how did they end up at Rosen's? Where is his house in relation to the school? Who was the man "talking harshly" when Rosen supposedly came upon them? Who was the bus driver?

Finally, if these children did escape, why has it been reported, with no retraction, that they were found in the closet? Those two possibilities are mutually exclusive.
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MAJOR REVERSAL BY HARTFORD COURANT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT!!

just came over 40 min ago: [link to www.courant.com]

Now they're saying the survivors from Soto's class DID escape, and WERE NOT found in the closet as first reported.

I need people to take screenshots of the original article before it disapppears.

[link to www.courant.com]
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This article conveniently leaves out the fact that Aidan Licata was said to have escaped from Soto's classroom. His parents were interviewed and said that Aidan grabbed "some other boys" and they all ran past the shooter as he stood next to the doorway just after shooting Soto. The story is that they were picked up on the road by a woman and driven to the POLICE STATION. Where Aidan's parents then picked them up.

That is at least 3 boys. Plus the 6 in Cohen's driveway. Plus 6 survived in the closet. Plus 6 shot dead. That makes at MINIMUM 21 total. Alot bigger than the other 1st grade class which was 16 total.

And the Cohen story was a big joke. Who knows how those kids really got there.
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How those kids got there is key. How far is he from the school? Who was the man "talking harshly" to the children as they sat in orderly fashion? See 1:04 of this video[link to www.youtube.com]
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Cohen lives at 22 riverside rd, which is just past the firehouse, practically next to it.

His driveway is set in a bit.

If they had made it out of the building on their own in the middle of a gun battle, they could have made it to cohen's house by running up dickenson ave. (which is basically the driveway of the school coming from Riverside rd.)

Thing is the school bus driver. If she saw them somewhere along the rd, why would she walk them to cohen's house? After they told her about the shooting, why would she go PAST the firehouse/first aid squad??

But walk them past that, down a small dirt strip, and sit them down in some random driveway?
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This article conveniently leaves out the fact that Aidan Licata was said to have escaped from Soto's classroom. His parents were interviewed and said that Aidan grabbed "some other boys" and they all ran past the shooter as he stood next to the doorway just after shooting Soto. The story is that they were picked up on the road by a woman and driven to the POLICE STATION. Where Aidan's parents then picked them up.

That is at least 3 boys. Plus the 6 in Cohen's driveway. Plus 6 survived in the closet. Plus 6 shot dead. That makes at MINIMUM 21 total. Alot bigger than the other 1st grade class which was 16 total.

And the Cohen story was a big joke. Who knows how those kids really got there.
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Soto's class size must have been about 21. That's what I got out of the article too.

Rousseau's classroom was 15. 14 killed and one girl who was not in the class (but she was in school that day).

But the special ed teacher...where was the special ed class?
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


No rousseau was subbing for a class with 16 children. 1 got away. The class picture shows 15, and one girl, emilie parker, was not there on the day of the class picture, but was present on the day of the shooting, and was supposedly shot dead.
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Cohen lives at 22 riverside rd, which is just past the firehouse, practically next to it.

His driveway is set in a bit.

If they had made it out of the building on their own in the middle of a gun battle, they could have made it to cohen's house by running up dickenson ave. (which is basically the driveway of the school coming from Riverside rd.)

Thing is the school bus driver. If she saw them somewhere along the rd, why would she walk them to cohen's house? After they told her about the shooting, why would she go PAST the firehouse/first aid squad??

But walk them past that, down a small dirt strip, and sit them down in some random driveway?


So who was the "man" talking harshly to the children in the driveway, as mentioned Rosen's interview w/ Fox?
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This article conveniently leaves out the fact that Aidan Licata was said to have escaped from Soto's classroom. His parents were interviewed and said that Aidan grabbed "some other boys" and they all ran past the shooter as he stood next to the doorway just after shooting Soto. The story is that they were picked up on the road by a woman and driven to the POLICE STATION. Where Aidan's parents then picked them up.

That is at least 3 boys. Plus the 6 in Cohen's driveway. Plus 6 survived in the closet. Plus 6 shot dead. That makes at MINIMUM 21 total. Alot bigger than the other 1st grade class which was 16 total.

And the Cohen story was a big joke. Who knows how those kids really got there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30662905


Soto's class size must have been about 21. That's what I got out of the article too.

Rousseau's classroom was 15. 14 killed and one girl who was not in the class (but she was in school that day).

But the special ed teacher...where was the special ed class?
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


No rousseau was subbing for a class with 16 children. 1 got away. The class picture shows 15, and one girl, emilie parker, was not there on the day of the class picture, but was present on the day of the shooting, and was supposedly shot dead.
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From the article:

"The classroom he chose to enter was substitute teacher Lauren Rousseau's, where he proceeded to systematically shoot everyone inside — the 14 children who investigators believe were huddled and clutching one another in fear, Rousseau and a special education teacher who happened to be in the room. Rousseau was filling in for the regular teacher, who was out on maternity leave. Rousseau had been teaching at the school for six weeks.

"There were 14 coats hanging there and 14 bodies. He killed them all," said a law enforcement officer involved in the case."

I think the article has been updated. This paragraph was not in it earlier.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Here's a UK Daily Mail article from 12/17 that also makes it sound like only 13 kids in Soto's class to start. [link to www.dailymail.co.uk] It says that all the kids were in the closet to start, and six ran out and were killed. But why wouldn't the shooter have killed the remaining seven in the closet, their hiding place having been discovered when the other kids ran out? Maybe that was the moment he killed himself???

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The updated version of this article

[link to www.courant.com]

also makes no mention at all of the car.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.

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