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Disassemble All Nuclear Power Plants NOW!

 
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Many of our nuclear plants are of the same design as those in Japan and cannot be considered stable.


 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


21 GE Mark I BWR reactors are presently in use here in the US.
Flawed design.. their own scientists resigned in protest.

Millions of people are endangered.
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Are you going to power the industry with wood as well? OMG you ppl are without any sense for reality, really.
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how about we dump the radioactive waste in your back yard? still happy with it?
 Quoting: wildhoney


How about you stop using the nuclear electricity now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975

We managed for thousands of years till recently without..I dont see why we cant manage without nuclear electricity again

after Japan..in my opinion..we have no option..the risks I think are just too high

Besides I dont know about your neck of the woods..but here my electricity bills keep getting higher and higher..go figure
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We managed because of population. There are BILLIONS of people on the Earth now; you can't sustain them all with wood. Also, where exactly does the "Dump radioactive waste in your back yard" thing come from? We'd have a quicker problem with overpopulation than running out of places to dump it. The earth is a pretty big place, believe it or not.
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how about we dump the radioactive waste in your back yard? still happy with it?
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How about you stop using the nuclear electricity now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975

We managed for thousands of years till recently without..I dont see why we cant manage without nuclear electricity again

after Japan..in my opinion..we have no option..the risks I think are just too high

Besides I dont know about your neck of the woods..but here my electricity bills keep getting higher and higher..go figure
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We managed because of population. There are BILLIONS of people on the Earth now; you can't sustain them all with wood. Also, where exactly does the "Dump radioactive waste in your back yard" thing come from? We'd have a quicker problem with overpopulation than running out of places to dump it. The earth is a pretty big place, believe it or not.
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Not big enough..

Take a deep breath..

Now, ask yourself... did I just ingest a radioisotope
that will kill me 20 years from now..?
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Any idea where to put the hundreds of thousands of ton extremely radioactive waste then?
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Leave it where it is and concrete over it like they did with Chernobyl. What do they intend to do with it now anyway?
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


Hi Ralph.

From what I understand it's the spent fuel pools that are the problem. They need indefinte cooling and expensive "casking". Our country is in danger with all this spread out and near water supplies. We should have brought it all to Yucca.....
We can't just cover pools...they must be cooled and hopefully transported to common location for our security..
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Any idea where to put the hundreds of thousands of ton extremely radioactive waste then?
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Sure, where we should be sending it in the first place, outerspace no harm no foul, its all radation anyways.
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Any idea where to put the hundreds of thousands of ton extremely radioactive waste then?
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Sure, where we should be sending it in the first place, outerspace no harm no foul, its all radation anyways.
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Yeah but it is a fortune to overcome gravity in such weighty packages.....
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Any idea where to put the hundreds of thousands of ton extremely radioactive waste then?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30881614


Sure, where we should be sending it in the first place, outerspace no harm no foul, its all radation anyways.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30557522


Yeah but it is a fortune to overcome gravity in such weighty packages.....
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Subduction zones...

Let the earth eat it..
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TESLA!!!!!!!!!! he was a genius and very close to free energy! =/ they don't want us to have free anything!
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Try life without electricity and internet, first.
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the technology is there for solar power, but they WANT us as slaves to gas, the supply chain, nuclear power.
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Indeed, I have quit gas and oil all together. I am heating with wood now. A lot of people in Denmark do, guess what the government does: Put's taxes on wood for heating!
 Quoting: Miss Malla


Do you know how long it takes a tree to grow for you to burn it? Years. Ignorance rules.
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AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ever heard of Hybrid Poplars?

The answer is 2-3 years. One acre with quarter rotation will provide the BTUs need for a single family household even in extreme winters.

Part of the problem with wood is the POLLUTION it creates, so places in the US have outlawed new wood fireplace and stove installation because of the pollution created.

Alternatives are needed but the products aren't available yet beside the worst idea ever conceived was centralized power instead of locally produced.
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disassemble all nuclear power plants and pursue other kinds of energy. These power plants are ticking time bombs just waiting to destroy ourselves. Our children will ask why our generation were such fools....
 Quoting: SnowboardingAlien


Ask the nuclear power folks what about the waste? Radio active and dangerous for thousands of years? What do we currently make that will hold nuclear waste for thousands of years?

It is a joke...these power plants are more dangerous than the atomic bomb only a few countries have....yet how many countries have nuclear power plants that are seemingly non-dangerous but I think about innocent FUKUSHIMA and CHERNOBYL.


Yikes....we are really idiots for doing this to ourselves.
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Anyone see the new movie Cloud Atlas? That had a lot to do with Nuclear Power Plants among other things...

No wonder the movie had to be funded by many independent studios.
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Where did the russian dude get to...?
A little light reading for him.
It seems that his countrymen have come up with a solution to the nuclear waste problem...


This is a really nasty one...

This is How Russia Disposes Of Its Dated Nuclear Submarines (The Slow Fukushima of Russia)
The question of how to dispose of nuclear-powered equipment and irradiated waste has been a nagging companion for the world’s advanced navies for decades, and in the case of the former Soviet Union one of its solutions was evidently to sink it into the Arctic Ocean.

Information now provided to the Norwegian daily Aftenposten by Russia’s authorities catalogue “enormous quantities” of Soviet-era nuclear reactors and radioactive waste dumped into the Kara Sea over the course of decades, far worse than previously known, and which include the experimental K-27 submarine that was eventually scuttled in 1981 once repairs to its liquid metal nuclear power plant were deemed impossible to complete.
[link to www.businessinsider.com]
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the technology is there for solar power, but they WANT us as slaves to gas, the supply chain, nuclear power.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21761661


Indeed, I have quit gas and oil all together. I am heating with wood now. A lot of people in Denmark do, guess what the government does: Put's taxes on wood for heating!
 Quoting: Miss Malla


Do you know how long it takes a tree to grow for you to burn it? Years. Ignorance rules.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975







AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ever heard of Hybrid Poplars?

The answer is 2-3 years. One acre with quarter rotation will provide the BTUs need for a single family household even in extreme winters.

Part of the problem with wood is the POLLUTION it creates, so places in the US have outlawed new wood fireplace and stove installation because of the pollution created.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10372663


The earth can deal with wood smoke..
Forest fires are constantly burning, somewhere.

It is a natural process.. renewal, as it were.
Some fir species' seed must be burned before it will even germinate...

Nuclear contamination... not so much.
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Any idea where to put the hundreds of thousands of ton extremely radioactive waste then?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30881614


Sure, where we should be sending it in the first place, outerspace no harm no foul, its all radation anyways.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30557522


Yeah but it is a fortune to overcome gravity in such weighty packages.....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30901294


Subduction zones...

Let the earth eat it..
 Quoting: Waterbug


cool...what about yucca?
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Try life without electricity and internet, first.
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no need to do that, just need to find safer ways to generate power. its stupid to have such a huge risk hanging over our heads
 Quoting: SnowboardingAlien


List the other ways.

Coal? Most coal has uranium in it - when burnt the uranium goes up with the smoke and get spread around the world.
[link to www.scientificamerican.com]

Shall we burn more coal?

Dams kill fish. Salmon are on the way out, why? Because we dammed up their rivers. Several species of salmon are extinct, with more on the endangered list.


And sadly its not just the salmon that are dying, salmon were (past tense) one of the key stones of how the ecology of most of the pacific northwest operated, their swimming up stream brought nutrients which were carried around by bears and deposited all over. The loss of those nutrients lead to devastating changes in ecology which has lead to contemporary tree (forest) die offs due to disease because those trees were no longer getting those nutrients.

[link to www.google.com] Start reading.

Here is the terrible truth, there is no replacement for nuclear power that is less dangerous than nuclear power. Each potential 'alternative' carries with it its own set of risks and devastation to the environment.

Solar power cells - sorry, the materials needed to make cheap solar cells is deadly to the environment, and the by product of manufacturing does more damage per year than all of the nuclear 'accidents' we have seen to date.

[link to www.google.com]

Wind - those magnets that make the generation possible are hard to get off and release thorium - oddly enough rare earth metals are often all but saturated with thorium. Thorium is radioactive. Processing of those rare earth metals include chemicals which cause cancer - you are more likely to develop cancer living next to a rare earth magnet factory than you are next to a nuclear power plant.

[link to www.pbs.org]

Thorium: [link to www.google.com]

Anyway you want to slice the 'problem' of power as in replacing was to produce power, you end up hitting deadly consequences.

When you start really looking at these technologies, you discover that the impact of even the primative solid fuel fission reactors poise less risks and dangers than solar cells and wind - which are considered 'green' and 'sustainable'.

The only way to actually do the energy thing and not harm or have a huge risk factor is for everyone to cut back on energy usage.

But we all know that ain't gonna happen.

Hopefully (and if you looked at thorium) we will move toward using thorium reactors in the near future. This suddenly makes the use of wind power less radioactive (as in we are using the waste which is thorium of mining rare earths).

But since its really, really hard to build bombs with thorium reactors, we most likely won't see that for a long time to come.
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Sure, where we should be sending it in the first place, outerspace no harm no foul, its all radation anyways.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30557522


Yeah but it is a fortune to overcome gravity in such weighty packages.....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30901294


Subduction zones...

Let the earth eat it..
 Quoting: Waterbug


cool...what about yucca?
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Aside from the possibility of seismic faults in the mountain..
Nevada doesn't want it..

We could bury it in the nuclear plant owners' backyards..
but I don't think they'd go for that idea..
They don't mind sticking that money in their pockets, 'tho.
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disassemble all nuclear power plants and pursue other kinds of energy. These power plants are ticking time bombs just waiting to destroy ourselves. Our children will ask why our generation were such fools....
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There is company just starting in this town st Augustine Fl. There manufacturing hydrogen cells. Each cell is the size of a small house, capable of energizing 200 house ea. Clean, no waste, works on the principle of dry cells you can put in your car, to save on gas.
Closest thing to cold fusion which does exsist.
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Name? Public? Private?
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i cant rember the name, but here is an article about the same, type manufacturing in conn.;
[link to www.norwichbulletin.com]
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disassemble all nuclear power plants and pursue other kinds of energy. These power plants are ticking time bombs just waiting to destroy ourselves. Our children will ask why our generation were such fools....
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Does your electricity come from a nuke plant? If so what are you using as an alternative right now? Not later or in the future but right NOW?! How is it your on the internet? And if your on another form of power production how can YOU (judge jury and executioner) decide who lives when your nice and warm and using electricity on unnecessary power usage (the internet)?

It's been between 1 - 15F at night here what do you do to stay warm?
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disassemble all nuclear power plants and pursue other kinds of energy. These power plants are ticking time bombs just waiting to destroy ourselves. Our children will ask why our generation were such fools....
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Does your electricity come from a nuke plant? If so what are you using as an alternative right now? Not later or in the future but right NOW?! How is it your on the internet? And if your on another form of power production how can YOU (judge jury and executioner) decide who lives when your nice and warm and using electricity on unnecessary power usage (the internet)?

It's been between 1 - 15F at night here what do you do to stay warm?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10372663


Dude...

Most of the power that is generated.. no matter how... goes
for industrial use..
If they were forced to use nukes.. small ones, as being introduced in Norway..
that would make the civilian [much, much less] use of power much more attainable by alternate means..

Build industrial/nuclear complexes... segregated from humans.. enclosed and triple redundant..
Make the owners live there..
If you profit from nuclear.. you take the risk..

Leave me and my family out of it.
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disassemble all nuclear power plants and pursue other kinds of energy. These power plants are ticking time bombs just waiting to destroy ourselves. Our children will ask why our generation were such fools....
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Yea, we'll get right on that, hippy.
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disassemble all nuclear power plants and pursue other kinds of energy. These power plants are ticking time bombs just waiting to destroy ourselves. Our children will ask why our generation were such fools....
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Yea, we'll get right on that, hippy.
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The Japan nuke disaster could have easily been avoided by spending a 10 million on equipment that would keep the cooling pumps running.

Anyway.

We need nukes, especially now with the war on coal. The peaking plants are going away along with 25% of all coal fired plants. How are going to make up for it?


When we think of green energy we generally think of solar and wind, around here anyway, (PA WV). It's not a real alternative for us.

What we do have are "alternative" coal fired plants. Check out the ARRIPA. They were built to burn waste coal. Coal that cannot be used in traditional style boilers. Whats interesting about these alternative coal fired plants is that they were built recently, late 80's early 90's and they can pretty much burn anything. Tires, trees, nuts, you name it. Somewhat similar to garbage incinerators.

Another type of alternative power that has been around for a long time is the municipal solid waste and muni sludge waste boilers.

Having those alternatives will not make up for the loss of traditional coal fired plants and they will certainly not make up for any nuke plants being closed.
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disassemble all nuclear power plants and pursue other kinds of energy. These power plants are ticking time bombs just waiting to destroy ourselves. Our children will ask why our generation were such fools....
 Quoting: SnowboardingAlien

Does your electricity come from a nuke plant? If so what are you using as an alternative right now? Not later or in the future but right NOW?! How is it your on the internet? And if your on another form of power production how can YOU (judge jury and executioner) decide who lives when your nice and warm and using electricity on unnecessary power usage (the internet)?

It's been between 1 - 15F at night here what do you do to stay warm?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10372663


Dude...

Most of the power that is generated.. no matter how... goes
for industrial use..
If they were forced to use nukes.. small ones, as being introduced in Norway..
that would make the civilian [much, much less] use of power much more attainable by alternate means..

Build industrial/nuclear complexes... segregated from humans.. enclosed and triple redundant..
Make the owners live there..
If you profit from nuclear.. you take the risk..

Leave me and my family out of it.
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good idea
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The Japan nuke disaster could have easily been avoided by spending a 10 million on equipment that would keep the cooling pumps running.

Anyway.

We need nukes, especially now with the war on coal. The peaking plants are going away along with 25% of all coal fired plants. How are going to make up for it?


When we think of green energy we generally think of solar and wind, around here anyway, (PA WV). It's not a real alternative for us.

What we do have are "alternative" coal fired plants. Check out the ARRIPA. They were built to burn waste coal. Coal that cannot be used in traditional style boilers. Whats interesting about these alternative coal fired plants is that they were built recently, late 80's early 90's and they can pretty much burn anything. Tires, trees, nuts, you name it. Somewhat similar to garbage incinerators.

Another type of alternative power that has been around for a long time is the municipal solid waste and muni sludge waste boilers.

Having those alternatives will not make up for the loss of traditional coal fired plants and they will certainly not make up for any nuke plants being closed.
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"easily been avoided by spending a 10 million"

Isn't it evident now that most of these plants are mismanaged? And could be cause in general for various cancers appearing for many decades. Various types of radiation have been detected in US now that many are concerned about FUKU and guess what? Much is coming from local sources cause people know the fuku radiation signature.

So much is uncertain now since fuku.....question marks arrise like thousands of warning balloons released
The largest concentration in US is the East,,,Western Europe for most of rest....
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glad to see so many aware of the issue.

keep raising awareness, one day we can abolish nuclear energy and pursue clean methods.
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Need to build more tbh
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Try life without electricity and internet, first.
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no need to do that, just need to find safer ways to generate power. its stupid to have such a huge risk hanging over our heads
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