Pardon me Mr Astro Atheist but if even TinkerToys require deliberate calculated assembly, doesn't the universe as well

OK I accept your premise. Nothing can come into being without being created. So now please explain to me what created your God Jehovah?

Then explain to me what created the creator of Jehovah, and what created the creator of the creator of Jehovah and so on and so forth.

Not all astronomers are atheists.
I can name at least one, who regularly posts here, who isn't.

Not even all cosmologists are atheists.

Why do all your arguments boil down to arguments from incredulity.
YOU not being able to understand something tells us very little about that something.

The question doesn't need to be answered.

We're simply showing that design requires there to be a designer.

The universe has deliberate design. Therefore there is a designer.

Where the designer came from is irrelevant in this argument.

That seems easy enough, since something can't form from nothing we must not really be here.

I admit explaining the assembly of the universe is a big question. So what about TinkerToys, something that simple at least could surely self assemble without deliberate intentions yes?

how do you know nothing can come into being without being created?

And the purpose of this post is to... What, come to a definitive conclusion?
I really wish you'd all stop it. No amount of internet logic is going to answer the chicken or the egg. Always going to be left with the same initial question. What is the point, if no answer can be determined this way?

I can take a lesson from TinkerToys. Every time I see them assembled I know there was an assembler even if I didn't watch. Being that the universe is more complex, I have a hunch it's has a designer who worked out it's infinitely complex physics equations, and then assembled them.

WHY, WHY, WHY is this important to you???!!

America is falling apart at the seams and few give a damn about today, tomorrow, the future, because they spend so much precious time trying to figure out how the universe was created and debating god vs. atheism.

Because it is God who blesses a nation. You and the majority of others miss this fact and thus you have created the very thing you hats.

God does not bless nations or any feature of Satan's nuclear military industrial complex. He will only bless his chosen ones when he intercepts the inevitable launch;

"While he was sitting upon the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, When will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?”
4 And in answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads YOU; 5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. 6 YOU are going to hear of wars and reports of wars; see that YOU are not terrified. For these things must take place, but the end is not yet.
7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.
9 “Then people will deliver YOU up to tribulation and will kill YOU, and YOU will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name. 10 Then, also, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and mislead many; 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off. 13 But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved. 14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.
.... for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short." Mt24:21

It's ironic to me how Christians beLIEve in a higher form of truth even though they are not aware, it is an obfuscation if not perceived correctly ,It's not a surprises to me how atheist feel so content of life in comparison to a similar type the nihilistic individual that has a opposite reaction of feelings.

Are Christians, Jewish and Muslim unmindful to the possibility that could be worshiping the devil?

Obviously, their perception Satan, since I do not believe in religion, only the gems that are relevant according to The Divine Law of this realm.

Sharing gems of wisdom is highly encouraged here. Such as;
"Who is wise and understanding among YOU? Let him show out of his fine conduct his works with a mildness that belongs to wisdom. 14 But if YOU have bitter jealousy and contentiousness in YOUR hearts, do not be bragging and lying against the truth. 15 This is not the wisdom that comes down from above, but is [the] earthly, animal, demonic. 16 For where jealousy and contentiousness are, there disorder and every vile thing are.
17 But the wisdom from above is first of all chaste, then peaceable, reasonable, ready to obey, full of mercy and good fruits, not making partial distinctions, not hypocritical. 18 Moreover, the fruit of righteousness has its seed sown under peaceful conditions for those who are making peace." Ja3:13

Yes, it does. The designer would have to have a designer himself if we are going to accept the premise that everything has a designer, which is the theological argument here.

Absolute idiocy.

So then, since something can't come from nothing... do or don't we exist?

Either 1) your concept of "nothing" doesn't exist

or

2) Something can come from nothing, just as life can emerge from the state of 'non-living'.

Unless this is all a dream there is now something.
IF there was at some point in the past nothing (which is not actually known) than yes something obviously can come from nothing.
'Cause that's what happened.

No guarantee that a rule like "something can't come from nothing" applies outside our universe.

How can minerals come alive, don't they first need at least one cell to be built?

They can't, they need several minerals to come together in a cataclysmic chemical reaction, to start the others using all their own energy.
Like selfless soldiers dying helping injured civilians giving their own energy to make the energy of the others.

Something and nothing are one and the same.
That's the key here, think about it...

Well ok, I did but I didn't get it.

Research tunnel diodes and come back and tell me if you think we're here.

Even nothing has to be something right?

How could we otherwise be talking about it?

I'm thinking we were talking about something but now....

They sound entirely opposite to me.