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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28822130 United States 01/12/2013 08:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No... that's why our founding fathers created a democracy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28822130 The majority is always persuaded by propaganda, which leads to maniacal power hungry people ending up in power disobeying the law, because the masses want it. Fear is a very useful tool in democracy. I meant our founding fathers created a republic |
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fellowearthling (OP) User ID: 32070279 New Zealand 01/12/2013 08:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No... that's why our founding fathers created a democracy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28822130 The majority is always persuaded by propaganda, which leads to maniacal power hungry people ending up in power disobeying the law, because the masses want it. Fear is a very useful tool in democracy. I meant our founding fathers created a republic A republic which morphed into one of the 'leading democracies' - appearing to show a few cracks in the structure now, eh! The maniacs do seem to have the power which is ironical given the initial intent - to empower ALL the citizens... "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
Mr. D User ID: 4603964 United States 01/12/2013 08:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No capitalism is synonymous with a democracy and Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1103018 capitalism will fail because of infinite growth and finite resources. There are technologies that can be employed that would let mankind have infinite resources if used correctly however TPTB do not want that. They want a world full of slaves. |
fellowearthling (OP) User ID: 32070279 New Zealand 01/12/2013 08:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who are 'they'? "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
fellowearthling (OP) User ID: 32070279 New Zealand 01/12/2013 08:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what democracy? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32069748 there is no country in the world that employs democracy, not one! The charades continue ad-nauseum, eh? "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
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fellowearthling (OP) User ID: 32070279 New Zealand 01/12/2013 08:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No capitalism is synonymous with a democracy and Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1103018 capitalism will fail because of infinite growth and finite resources. Can the market operate differently? Is there a more natural alternative? "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
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fellowearthling (OP) User ID: 32070279 New Zealand 01/12/2013 08:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A republic that actively spreads democracy, eh? Why not spread republicanism? "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
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Life's-A-Bitch User ID: 1243271 United States 01/12/2013 08:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The life Expectancy of a Democracy. In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship.” “The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence: 1. From bondage to spiritual faith; 2. From spiritual faith to courage; 3. From courage to liberty; 4. From liberty to abundance; 5. From abundance to complacency; 6. From complacency to apathy; 7. From apathy to dependence; 8. From dependence back to bondage.” Just because YOU don’t believe in the Rougarou; or the Loup Garou, don’t make you safe; No ! The Constitution is a blend of 'moral certitude' -- which is one of the reasons that criminals are determined to be rid of it and We the People must be even more determined to defend it. "If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." - Thomas Paine The only thing the Illuminati fears is an independent person who can live, eat, sleep, stay warm and defend themselves separate from Federal help. Pray that the Lord gives us more time! The End is near and time is short! A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion. ~Proverbs 18:2 For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - James Keller Checkd, Keked, and Rekt! #Kids2 |
fellowearthling (OP) User ID: 32070279 New Zealand 01/12/2013 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No capitalism is synonymous with a democracy and Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1103018 capitalism will fail because of infinite growth and finite resources. There are technologies that can be employed that would let mankind have infinite resources if used correctly however TPTB do not want that. They want a world full of slaves. It will take a collective effort to change this... The 'Re-Abolition of Slavery' "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
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fellowearthling (OP) User ID: 32070279 New Zealand 01/12/2013 09:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No capitalism is synonymous with a democracy and Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1103018 capitalism will fail because of infinite growth and finite resources. No the economic structure and government structure are two separate things. What if we applied market forces to our government(s)? "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
fellowearthling (OP) User ID: 32070279 New Zealand 01/12/2013 09:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, democracy (and republic) are the easiest types of government to subvert. Quoting: Zombietard All the ones in the American continent have already been. Not only there either. "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
fellowearthling (OP) User ID: 32070279 New Zealand 01/12/2013 09:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The life Expectancy of a Democracy. Quoting: Life's-A-Bitch In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship.” “The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence: 1. From bondage to spiritual faith; 2. From spiritual faith to courage; 3. From courage to liberty; 4. From liberty to abundance; 5. From abundance to complacency; 6. From complacency to apathy; 7. From apathy to dependence; 8. From dependence back to bondage.” Is this cycle unbreakable? "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
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Useless Cookie Eater User ID: 29696048 United States 01/12/2013 09:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The life Expectancy of a Democracy. Quoting: In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship.” “The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence: 1. From bondage to spiritual faith; 2. From spiritual faith to courage; 3. From courage to liberty; 4. From liberty to abundance; 5. From abundance to complacency; 6. From complacency to apathy; 7. From apathy to dependence; 8. From dependence back to bondage.” Is this cycle unbreakable? Ahhh...that is the question isn't it? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1103018 United Kingdom 01/12/2013 10:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No capitalism is synonymous with a democracy and Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1103018 capitalism will fail because of infinite growth and finite resources. Can the market operate differently? Is there a more natural alternative? One does not need to point out an alternative to know the current syistem will fail. Anarchism/hybrids are the future. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25023241 United States 01/12/2013 11:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No... that's why our founding fathers created a democracy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28822130 The majority is always persuaded by propaganda, which leads to maniacal power hungry people ending up in power disobeying the law, because the masses want it. Fear is a very useful tool in democracy. No. They created a REPUBLIC... NOT a democracy. |
Halcyon Dayz, FCD User ID: 31033756 Netherlands 01/12/2013 11:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's a very specific use of the word republic. The rest of the world calls it a liberal democracy. [link to en.wikipedia.org] Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |