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Anonymous Coward User ID: 33153695 United States 01/27/2013 09:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i think that they want money. if they strap a license to every weapon, they got some CASH FLOW. their number one goal in life is to extract wealth from every citizen. money is their drug. they will probably tax ammo too. the supreme court will back them up on all of it. in a depression, where you choose to eat or pay your gun license, many will turn in their guns instead of going hungry. CHECKMATE suckers! they will win in the long run, and the pathetic peasants will continue to vote for them all along. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7879907 United States 01/27/2013 09:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We all know the Federal Government has us ridiculously outgunned. Apaches, Drones, Satellites, Missiles, Tanks, Nukes, etc. Quoting: Iconoclastics So why are they so concerned about getting the guns? It's not what you think. They aren't worried about private weapons and munitions posing a challenge to Federal power. They are well aware of their own capabilities. They are, however, worried about the pawns who will presumably carry out all this nonsense against us, i.e. traitorous and/or ignorant law enforcement, military, and private security (like Blackwater). If these assholes KNOW they aren't going to get any resistance, like gun fights threatening their safety, they will be much more confident and fierce in their execution of the police state. It's simple, if the pawns meet too much resistance they may lose faith in the plan and give up. The PTB know that what they are planning is already so fucked up that a lot of would-be pawns won't even go for it (think Oathkeepers). The ones that do go for it however are obviously going to be selfish as fuck, so the safer the PTB can make it for them to carry this plan out the more likely they are to be successful. Yesy Think of it this way... how many people would be willing to pick up a rattlesnake? Not many. How many people would be willing to pick up a de-fanged rattlesnake? Just about everyone. Make sense? Yes, but theres more to it... 9/11/2001 9/11/2013 (12 years) When u sign up for military there is usually 6 yr service, plus 6 yrs of addtl timr u can be called back to service. Some of the most patrioyic ppl in the nation,those joining service post 9/11, are coming home, cimpletely out of service and able to speak freely on any issue.. coming home to a nation arming and funding the same terrorist they fought. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4655644 United States 01/27/2013 09:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It IS hard to argue your logic. Keep in mind that cops like to kicks the crap out of people once that are tasered, handcuffed and semi conscious. When the enemy shoots back they tend to squeal like the pigs they are and call for thousands in backup and artillery support. Yes, this does make sense. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7879907 United States 01/27/2013 09:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We all know the Federal Government has us ridiculously outgunned. Apaches, Drones, Satellites, Missiles, Tanks, Nukes, etc. Quoting: Iconoclastics So why are they so concerned about getting the guns? It's not what you think. They aren't worried about private weapons and munitions posing a challenge to Federal power. They are well aware of their own capabilities. They are, however, worried about the pawns who will presumably carry out all this nonsense against us, i.e. traitorous and/or ignorant law enforcement, military, and private security (like Blackwater). If these assholes KNOW they aren't going to get any resistance, like gun fights threatening their safety, they will be much more confident and fierce in their execution of the police state. It's simple, if the pawns meet too much resistance they may lose faith in the plan and give up. The PTB know that what they are planning is already so fucked up that a lot of would-be pawns won't even go for it (think Oathkeepers). The ones that do go for it however are obviously going to be selfish as fuck, so the safer the PTB can make it for them to carry this plan out the more likely they are to be successful. Yesy Think of it this way... how many people would be willing to pick up a rattlesnake? Not many. How many people would be willing to pick up a de-fanged rattlesnake? Just about everyone. Make sense? Yes, but theres more to it... 9/11/2001 9/11/2013 (12 years) When u sign up for military there is usually 6 yr service, plus 6 yrs of addtl timr u can be called back to service. Some of the most patrioyic ppl in the nation,those joining service post 9/11, are coming home, cimpletely out of service and able to speak freely on any issue.. coming home to a nation arming and funding the same terrorist they fought. #Realtalk |
Iconoclastics (OP) User ID: 30895273 United States 01/27/2013 09:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Looking at the wrong targets. Quoting: NightWisp In a chess game, it is not the pawns you seek. Of the kings, Queens, Knights, Bishops, Rooks playing stupid... you do not need millions of bullets. 1000 bullets would be enough. Yeah, but you cannot touch the kings, queens, etc. without confronting the pawns first. For the record, I am against armed revolution. I don't think it will work and if it does we will have proven nothing about our evolutionary capability. Violence only begets more violence and as long as we use it as a means to an end it will inevitably become our end. maybe for a beginner. knights are very powerful. knights and bishops make the best aggressors. by the middle game, pawns are just material on the board, as structural defense, and mostly inactive. OP probably isn't aware of the praetorians. Obviously he thinks in terms of nation state vs nation state. This a different ball game. Obviously you're more into responding than reading. I read your first reply and I don't see how you "disagree" with me. I think we are seeing eye to eye more than you realize. How am I just thinking in terms of nation state vs. nation state. Explain yourself. P.S. What about the Praetorian? In what context was that meant for, Ancient Rome? Or a maybe a contemporary version, perhaps like our own Navy Seals? Clarify, please. "The person who is in love with their vision of community will destroy community. But the person who loves the people around them will create community everywhere they go." ~ Dietrich Bonhoeffer "Doubt is not a pleasant condition but certainty is absurd" ~ Voltaire "The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion." ~ Thomas Paine On Twitter @Iconoclastics |
Iconoclastics (OP) User ID: 30895273 United States 01/27/2013 09:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, but theres more to it... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7879907 9/11/2001 9/11/2013 (12 years) When u sign up for military there is usually 6 yr service, plus 6 yrs of addtl timr u can be called back to service. Some of the most patrioyic ppl in the nation,those joining service post 9/11, are coming home, cimpletely out of service and able to speak freely on any issue.. coming home to a nation arming and funding the same terrorist they fought. I think you've got something there. I guess 2012 was the paper tiger, 2013 could prove to be the real deal. "The person who is in love with their vision of community will destroy community. But the person who loves the people around them will create community everywhere they go." ~ Dietrich Bonhoeffer "Doubt is not a pleasant condition but certainty is absurd" ~ Voltaire "The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion." ~ Thomas Paine On Twitter @Iconoclastics |
eyestoseeearstohear User ID: 7682049 United States 01/27/2013 09:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No matter how hard they try noting will be accomplished successfully because God will wipe this earth clean of vermin so well that only 1/10 will make it. And if you don’t believe it I promise you will not be in the 1/10. Seek the Armor of God that alone will save you when it gets really bad. Study Hebraic Roots |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 31374763 United States 01/27/2013 10:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Think of it this way... how many people would be willing to pick up a rattlesnake? Not many. How many people would be willing to pick up a de-fanged rattlesnake? Just about everyone. Quoting: Iconoclastics Make sense? I'm jumping into this alittle late... but we just kill the rattle snake and put some Franks hot sauce.. on it and throw it on the grill. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1482838 United States 01/27/2013 10:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Communication is key and they already have it in the vest pocket. Power first and foremost is what comes out of your wall socket for most people. They control that, too. So unless you were well prepared to try to work out some sort of armed but peaceful surrender because you have them "surrounded" like the dot video on the previous page, then I'd like to understand how people think, if you'll pardon the expression, that real change in the country from the path it is on is possible? Anybody? |
Elfsong User ID: 6298338 United States 01/27/2013 10:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is funny that everyone has come up with and explanation as to why the Government wants the public to give up their guns. Yet not one person has considered the outcome of this situation, the disarming of the citizens of the cities and most of the states. Once the public no longer have the ability to protect themselves and the crime rises, the local government will have to request 'back up' from the Federal Government. This means deployment of the military to the different crime ridden cities. With the military deployed, Martial Law is easier to put in place for your "Protection". If this is bringing up questions, look back at Germany during the Pre World War II years. Like many countries, those that do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. |
Iconoclastics (OP) User ID: 30895273 United States 01/27/2013 10:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is funny that everyone has come up with and explanation as to why the Government wants the public to give up their guns. Yet not one person has considered the outcome of this situation, the disarming of the citizens of the cities and most of the states. Quoting: Elfsong 6298338 Once the public no longer have the ability to protect themselves and the crime rises, the local government will have to request 'back up' from the Federal Government. This means deployment of the military to the different crime ridden cities. With the military deployed, Martial Law is easier to put in place for your "Protection". If this is bringing up questions, look back at Germany during the Pre World War II years. Like many countries, those that do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. Good points. Just like the welfare state has made a lot of Americans wholly dependent on the federal government, so will an unarmed population. "The person who is in love with their vision of community will destroy community. But the person who loves the people around them will create community everywhere they go." ~ Dietrich Bonhoeffer "Doubt is not a pleasant condition but certainty is absurd" ~ Voltaire "The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion." ~ Thomas Paine On Twitter @Iconoclastics |
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CowgirlK User ID: 5762158 United States 01/27/2013 10:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was looking for a reason today as to why the big push for the gun grab when I stumbled onto this video. Its 19 minutes long so I clicked on it expecting to watch it for 2 minutes and move along. Besides, I figured the guy was some sort of Rastafarian nut. I could not have been more wrong. This man knows what he is talking about! His video should go viral. It's not really about the guns, It's about the money. Gun Control Distraction, Economy, War and Liberty. [link to youtu.be] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 4655644 United States 01/27/2013 10:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is easy to understand what these sellout, lawyer scum are planning because they have put it all down on paper and all of it is public knowledge. The SAFE FOOD ACT - Gives the government the power to seize food that is deemed unsafe and take it away from whoever has it. The SAFE COMMUNITIES ACT - Gives the Government the power to declare the area in which you live to be "unsafe" and force you to leave and be relocated. The NDAA - Makes us all Terror Suspects if we own guns, ammunition or more than 7 days worth of food. Now, with these three laws now on the books, what is the only thing standing between the government putting ALL OF US into slave labor camps and seizing all of our property? Why our guns of course. So that is what they will legislate next, like OP says to make their job easier, which is what they are all about. Not that talking all day long and screwing little boys is easy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33164436 United States 01/27/2013 10:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not really. Yes they have all those t5hings and they can't stop a few Islamic militants, in Iraq, Afghanistan or any where else they have tried to use them. The "snake" keeps growing new Fangs and Heads! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33164436 American's would be a lot more intelligent and resourceful compared to those militants. Thus a much greater threat. Guns create the feeling of having Independence, and of being able to have Freedom, or at least the hope of such things. Take them away and you demoralize any resistance to the Police State. This program has worked well for many Dictators and Police states. That's because of ROE. If we wanted to we could wipe all those fuckers out tomorrow. Has it ever occurred to people that the people who wanted these wars had no intention of a decisive victory? Keeping it long and drawn out = $$$. It's just like Vietnam. The ROE for Vietnam were ridiculous. They basically guaranteed a stalemate. If and when the hammer does come down stateside I don't think they will be so concerned with ROE. This time it won't be about the $$$ but the power. ROE are not to blame, the ineffectiveness of theses weapons are. You gotta be able to find and define the enemy to eliminate them. These "tools" are great for large armies but poor when engaging small groups. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32854528 United States 01/27/2013 10:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We all know the Federal Government has us ridiculously outgunned. Apaches, Drones, Satellites, Missiles, Tanks, Nukes, etc. Quoting: Iconoclastics Make sense? No. Just like handguns and rifles, these weopons don't shoot anyone, the operator of the firearm does. I don't see people who are required to operate the above firing upon U.S. citizens. The reason? They're going to be wondering if one of their counterparts is firing on their family members. Like in Battle in Seattle. Woody Harrelson's wife loses her baby after she's clubbed by a police officer 'just doing his job'. I think possibly (or hopefully anyway), the ones operating the above will think twice before just following orders to fire. At least I'm hoping they'd have enough sense to think and know that somewhere someone could be firing on their family. Some people still use their brains and don't just do as their told. |
Iconoclastics (OP) User ID: 30895273 United States 01/27/2013 10:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was looking for a reason today as to why the big push for the gun grab when I stumbled onto this video. Its 19 minutes long so I clicked on it expecting to watch it for 2 minutes and move along. Besides, I figured the guy was some sort of Rastafarian nut. I could not have been more wrong. This man knows what he is talking about! His video should go viral. It's not really about the guns, It's about the money. Quoting: CowgirlK Gun Control Distraction, Economy, War and Liberty. [link to youtu.be] Right the fuck on! I love this dude. Thanks for posting, CGK. "The person who is in love with their vision of community will destroy community. But the person who loves the people around them will create community everywhere they go." ~ Dietrich Bonhoeffer "Doubt is not a pleasant condition but certainty is absurd" ~ Voltaire "The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion." ~ Thomas Paine On Twitter @Iconoclastics |
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Iconoclastics (OP) User ID: 30895273 United States 01/27/2013 10:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not really. Yes they have all those t5hings and they can't stop a few Islamic militants, in Iraq, Afghanistan or any where else they have tried to use them. The "snake" keeps growing new Fangs and Heads! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33164436 American's would be a lot more intelligent and resourceful compared to those militants. Thus a much greater threat. Guns create the feeling of having Independence, and of being able to have Freedom, or at least the hope of such things. Take them away and you demoralize any resistance to the Police State. This program has worked well for many Dictators and Police states. That's because of ROE. If we wanted to we could wipe all those fuckers out tomorrow. Has it ever occurred to people that the people who wanted these wars had no intention of a decisive victory? Keeping it long and drawn out = $$$. It's just like Vietnam. The ROE for Vietnam were ridiculous. They basically guaranteed a stalemate. If and when the hammer does come down stateside I don't think they will be so concerned with ROE. This time it won't be about the $$$ but the power. ROE are not to blame, the ineffectiveness of theses weapons are. You gotta be able to find and define the enemy to eliminate them. These "tools" are great for large armies but poor when engaging small groups. One word: Drones. Don't be fooled, elements of our government and other governments around the world are very adept at dealing with small groups. They just choose their battles wisely. "The person who is in love with their vision of community will destroy community. But the person who loves the people around them will create community everywhere they go." ~ Dietrich Bonhoeffer "Doubt is not a pleasant condition but certainty is absurd" ~ Voltaire "The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion." ~ Thomas Paine On Twitter @Iconoclastics |
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s. d. butler User ID: 974819 United States 01/27/2013 10:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Iconoclastics Yeah, but you cannot touch the kings, queens, etc. without confronting the pawns first. For the record, I am against armed revolution. I don't think it will work and if it does we will have proven nothing about our evolutionary capability. Violence only begets more violence and as long as we use it as a means to an end it will inevitably become our end. maybe for a beginner. knights are very powerful. knights and bishops make the best aggressors. by the middle game, pawns are just material on the board, as structural defense, and mostly inactive. OP probably isn't aware of the praetorians. Obviously he thinks in terms of nation state vs nation state. This a different ball game. Obviously you're more into responding than reading. I read your first reply and I don't see how you "disagree" with me. I think we are seeing eye to eye more than you realize. How am I just thinking in terms of nation state vs. nation state. Explain yourself. P.S. What about the Praetorian? In what context was that meant for, Ancient Rome? Or a maybe a contemporary version, perhaps like our own Navy Seals? Clarify, please. I usually don't respond to poor manners as in... Explain yourself... but I'll make this exception. Nation state vs nation state is the way I perceive you are seeing the conflict. The armed forces of one nation against another. This is an entirely different situation. Again it isn't a matter of who has the biggest most high tech 3rd gen military. A military whose loyalty to the regime is not for certain anyway. The intangibles of the situation are much more pronounced and complicated than the simplistic ,they have drones,tanks, high tech and so forth. All that works both ways or can be countered or negated. In some cases available weapons can't even be used. The battlespace is already defined. The physical battlespace itself is a big problem for TBTB as well as the approaching financial collapse. With any luck the free forces will win the propaganda war with little or no violence or by default when the USG collapses of its own weight and be to weak to cause much destruction. Study up on UW, open source insurgency, 4th and 5th gen warfare and then we can talk. Praetorian guard refers to the king's men. All of them. Read up on the later history to get an idea of how that might backfire on the king. Last Edited by s. d. butler on 01/27/2013 10:46 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31374763 United States 01/27/2013 10:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is funny that everyone has come up with and explanation as to why the Government wants the public to give up their guns. Yet not one person has considered the outcome of this situation, the disarming of the citizens of the cities and most of the states. Quoting: Elfsong 6298338 Once the public no longer have the ability to protect themselves and the crime rises, the local government will have to request 'back up' from the Federal Government. This means deployment of the military to the different crime ridden cities. With the military deployed, Martial Law is easier to put in place for your "Protection". If this is bringing up questions, look back at Germany during the Pre World War II years. Like many countries, those that do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. It is not funny. I, me, want to keep it funny. Because it is turning dangerous. It is getting serious. Serious, and dangerous. Once the killing begins, it is hard to stop. Most americans have never killed bigger than a mouse. Once the killing begins, it is hard to stop. If your family gets killed. it is hard to stop killing. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1184364 United States 01/27/2013 10:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think your theory is very viable. Improved moral for their troops as well as decreased moral for our side would be a major victory for them As an aside, check out the book Patriots Awakening by R.M. Strauhs. It was written several years ago, but has elements to it that closely resemble some of the points you made Thanks for the thread! |
eos User ID: 29094041 United States 01/27/2013 10:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | my thoughts exactly. all that above describes how cowards dig a deeper and deeper hole. let them dig. then they won't need to be buried when it hits. --------------------------------eos--------------------------------------- the first will be last, the last first, captivity captive. |
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AdHocBOHICA User ID: 32335824 United States 01/27/2013 11:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19004483 maybe for a beginner. knights are very powerful. knights and bishops make the best aggressors. by the middle game, pawns are just material on the board, as structural defense, and mostly inactive. OP probably isn't aware of the praetorians. Obviously he thinks in terms of nation state vs nation state. This a different ball game. Obviously you're more into responding than reading. I read your first reply and I don't see how you "disagree" with me. I think we are seeing eye to eye more than you realize. How am I just thinking in terms of nation state vs. nation state. Explain yourself. P.S. What about the Praetorian? In what context was that meant for, Ancient Rome? Or a maybe a contemporary version, perhaps like our own Navy Seals? Clarify, please. I usually don't respond to poor manners as in... Explain yourself... but I'll make this exception. Nation state vs nation state is the way I perceive you are seeing the conflict. The armed forces of one nation against another. This is an entirely different situation. Again it isn't a matter of who has the biggest most high tech 3rd gen military. A military whose loyalty to the regime is not for certain anyway. The intangibles of the situation are much more pronounced and complicated than the simplistic ,they have drones,tanks, high tech and so forth. All that works both ways or can be countered or negated. In some cases available weapons can't even be used. The battlespace is already defined. The physical battlespace itself is a big problem for TBTB as well as the approaching financial collapse. With any luck the free forces will win the propaganda war with little or no violence or by default when the USG collapses of its own weight and be to weak to cause much destruction. Study up on UW, open source insurgency, 4th and 5th gen warfare and then we can talk. Praetorian guard refers to the king's men. All of them. Read up on the later history to get an idea of how that might backfire on the king. Game on boy's and girlie-men........Green headed your way Bud. “Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” ~Seneca PS: I Stole this from another member.... ;) |