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ENCRYPT YOUR SHIT NOW: DHS Watchdog OKs ‘Suspicionless’ Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border (Affects all people within 100miles of border)

 
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The Department of Homeland Security’s civil rights watchdog has concluded that travelers along the nation’s borders may have their electronics seized and the contents of those devices examined for any reason whatsoever — all in the name of national security.

The DHS, which secures the nation’s border, in 2009 announced that it would conduct a “Civil Liberties Impact Assessment” of its suspicionless search-and-seizure policy pertaining to electronic devices “within 120 days.” More than three years later, the DHS office of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties published a two-page executive summary of its findings.

“We also conclude that imposing a requirement that officers have reasonable suspicion in order to conduct a border search of an electronic device would be operationally harmful without concomitant civil rights/civil liberties benefits,” the executive summary said.

Read more: [link to www.wired.com]

Fuck these assholes and their constitution free 100 mile zone [link to www.aclu.org]

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I thought was BS until I started reading.
The 4th amendment has been revoked for most of the US population.
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I thought was BS until I started reading.
The 4th amendment has been revoked for most of the US population.
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Yep. Most don't even know that fact. You could be a U.S. citizen living in a U.S. city and the DHS can raid your car, home, and now extract information from your electronics with out a warrant and now this new rule states that they don't even need to suspect you of anything.

All in the name of "National Security"

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I thought was BS until I started reading.
The 4th amendment has been revoked for most of the US population.
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Yep. Most don't even know that fact. You could be a U.S. citizen living in a U.S. city and the DHS can raid your car, home, and now extract information from your electronics with out a warrant and now this new rule states that they don't even need to suspect you of anything.

All in the name of "National Security"
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Meanwhile, the people they are looking for will not have anything important on their electronic equipment.
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send your device USPS, insured. That's how these gold companies ship....
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send your device USPS, insured. That's how these gold companies ship....
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I think you may not understand the situtation.

The rules do not apply to only those who are crossing the border. The rules apply to those already in the United States who are located within 100miles of the US border.

Ex. You live in Fresno, CA (or any other city in the US within 100 miles of an international boundary line: you can see if you live in a constitution free zone here [link to www.aclu.org] ) and are pulled over. The agents now have the authority to seize your electronics and download all the data from them without a warrant or even suspicion. Think stop-and-frisk but for your electronic devices.
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The Department of Homeland Security’s civil rights watchdog has concluded that travelers along the nation’s borders may have their electronics seized and the contents of those devices examined for any reason whatsoever — all in the name of national security.

The DHS, which secures the nation’s border, in 2009 announced that it would conduct a “Civil Liberties Impact Assessment” of its suspicionless search-and-seizure policy pertaining to electronic devices “within 120 days.” More than three years later, the DHS office of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties published a two-page executive summary of its findings.

“We also conclude that imposing a requirement that officers have reasonable suspicion in order to conduct a border search of an electronic device would be operationally harmful without concomitant civil rights/civil liberties benefits,” the executive summary said.

Read more: [link to www.wired.com]

Fuck these assholes and their constitution free 100 mile zone [link to www.aclu.org]
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Dafuq does this have to do with things outside the border? Title specifically says border...
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The Department of Homeland Security’s civil rights watchdog has concluded that travelers along the nation’s borders may have their electronics seized and the contents of those devices examined for any reason whatsoever — all in the name of national security.

The DHS, which secures the nation’s border, in 2009 announced that it would conduct a “Civil Liberties Impact Assessment” of its suspicionless search-and-seizure policy pertaining to electronic devices “within 120 days.” More than three years later, the DHS office of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties published a two-page executive summary of its findings.

“We also conclude that imposing a requirement that officers have reasonable suspicion in order to conduct a border search of an electronic device would be operationally harmful without concomitant civil rights/civil liberties benefits,” the executive summary said.

Read more: [link to www.wired.com]

Fuck these assholes and their constitution free 100 mile zone [link to www.aclu.org]
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Dafuq does this have to do with things outside the border? Title specifically says border...
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derp inside, fucking dyslexia.
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hah I was just about to post the same thing.

You can't go anywhere these days without some faggot stealing your laptop and molesting your genitals.

It's about goddamn time for a hard rain to wash the filth from these streets, you know what I mean?
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The Department of Homeland Security’s civil rights watchdog has concluded that travelers along the nation’s borders may have their electronics seized and the contents of those devices examined for any reason whatsoever — all in the name of national security.

The DHS, which secures the nation’s border, in 2009 announced that it would conduct a “Civil Liberties Impact Assessment” of its suspicionless search-and-seizure policy pertaining to electronic devices “within 120 days.” More than three years later, the DHS office of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties published a two-page executive summary of its findings.

“We also conclude that imposing a requirement that officers have reasonable suspicion in order to conduct a border search of an electronic device would be operationally harmful without concomitant civil rights/civil liberties benefits,” the executive summary said.

Read more: [link to www.wired.com]

Fuck these assholes and their constitution free 100 mile zone [link to www.aclu.org]
 Quoting: Dr. Ben Schillen


Dafuq does this have to do with things outside the border? Title specifically says border...
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derp inside, fucking dyslexia.
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The .gov considers areas within 100 miles of the international boundary line to be border areas. As I mentioned in a previous post, those living as far north as Fresno, CA are affected. There is a map of the US in the OP that shows all the areas affected by this (click the ACLU link). Border no longer means Tijuana/San Diego area, etc.
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Fresno within 100 miles? Ok...
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Fresno within 100 miles? Ok...
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Look for yourself [link to www.aclu.org]

Border does not mean what you and I think it means.
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I hope they enjoy my porn.
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I fucking hate this country. I can only pray that all the politicians and corporate CEO's and wall street executives get terrible ass cancer and die a slow horrible death. It's what they deserve.
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Try over 300 miles. Fail.
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Try over 300 miles. Fail.
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Try this fucktard [link to www.aclu.org] Fresno is highlighted because it's with 100miles of the 'coastal border'

You fail

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Fresno within 100 miles? Ok...
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When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
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From the ACLU site about the constitution free zones in the US

December 15, 2006

Using data provided by the U.S. Census Bureau, the ACLU has determined that nearly 2/3 of the entire US population (197.4 million people) live within 100 miles of the US land and coastal borders.

The government is assuming extraordinary powers to stop and search individuals within this zone. This is not just about the border: This " Constitution-Free Zone" includes most of the nation's largest metropolitan areas.

Read more [link to www.aclu.org]
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Try over 300 miles. Fail.
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Try this fucktard [link to www.aclu.org] Fresno is highlighted because it's with 100miles of the 'coastal border'


You fail
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Owned. Well done Dr.
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"Some choose to hear, few decide to listen".

"Question what you know and know why you question".

"GLP will never be the sane...uhhh...same".

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...which makes everyone in Florida... screwed...
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Well there goes the end of freedom huh?
Might as well go so far as to just do all my computing in North Korea for fuck sakes.

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send your device USPS, insured. That's how these gold companies ship....
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I think you may not understand the situtation.

The rules do not apply to only those who are crossing the border. The rules apply to those already in the United States who are located within 100miles of the US border.

Ex. You live in Fresno, CA (or any other city in the US within 100 miles of an international boundary line: you can see if you live in a constitution free zone here [link to www.aclu.org] ) and are pulled over. The agents now have the authority to seize your electronics and download all the data from them without a warrant or even suspicion. Think stop-and-frisk but for your electronic devices.
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just a guise to steal beach-front property. Follow the money, Honey.

"Isreal" is trying to corner the market on the Tourist Industry.

Obama: “I will never waver from supporting Israel"

“Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon
October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as
reported on Kol Yisrael radio:
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
[link to us.yhs4.search.yahoo.com]
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Do Not Consent. Illegals? OK. Citizens. Bad idea uncle sam.
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The Department of Homeland Security’s civil rights watchdog has concluded that travelers along the nation’s borders may have their electronics seized and the contents of those devices examined for any reason whatsoever — all in the name of national security.

The DHS, which secures the nation’s border, in 2009 announced that it would conduct a “Civil Liberties Impact Assessment” of its suspicionless search-and-seizure policy pertaining to electronic devices “within 120 days.” More than three years later, the DHS office of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties published a two-page executive summary of its findings.

“We also conclude that imposing a requirement that officers have reasonable suspicion in order to conduct a border search of an electronic device would be operationally harmful without concomitant civil rights/civil liberties benefits,” the executive summary said.

Read more: [link to www.wired.com]

Fuck these assholes and their constitution free 100 mile zone [link to www.aclu.org]
 Quoting: Dr. Ben Schillen
There's no commercially available encryption DHS can't decrypt. Most security software comes with back-doors for this very reason, so access is easy for "authorities". The only way to be somewhat safe is a custom decryption methods, but even that is time limited on being pulled out.
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The Department of Homeland Security’s civil rights watchdog has concluded that travelers along the nation’s borders may have their electronics seized and the contents of those devices examined for any reason whatsoever — all in the name of national security.

The DHS, which secures the nation’s border, in 2009 announced that it would conduct a “Civil Liberties Impact Assessment” of its suspicionless search-and-seizure policy pertaining to electronic devices “within 120 days.” More than three years later, the DHS office of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties published a two-page executive summary of its findings.

“We also conclude that imposing a requirement that officers have reasonable suspicion in order to conduct a border search of an electronic device would be operationally harmful without concomitant civil rights/civil liberties benefits,” the executive summary said.

Read more: [link to www.wired.com]

Fuck these assholes and their constitution free 100 mile zone [link to www.aclu.org]
 Quoting: Dr. Ben Schillen
There's no commercially available encryption DHS can't decrypt. Most security software comes with back-doors for this very reason, so access is easy for "authorities". The only way to be somewhat safe is a custom decryption methods, but even that is time limited on being pulled out.
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Once again MA speaks the truth.
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The Department of Homeland Security’s civil rights watchdog has concluded that travelers along the nation’s borders may have their electronics seized and the contents of those devices examined for any reason whatsoever — all in the name of national security.

The DHS, which secures the nation’s border, in 2009 announced that it would conduct a “Civil Liberties Impact Assessment” of its suspicionless search-and-seizure policy pertaining to electronic devices “within 120 days.” More than three years later, the DHS office of Civil Rights and Civil Liberties published a two-page executive summary of its findings.

“We also conclude that imposing a requirement that officers have reasonable suspicion in order to conduct a border search of an electronic device would be operationally harmful without concomitant civil rights/civil liberties benefits,” the executive summary said.

Read more: [link to www.wired.com]

Fuck these assholes and their constitution free 100 mile zone [link to www.aclu.org]
 Quoting: Dr. Ben Schillen


There's no commercially available encryption DHS can't decrypt. Most security software comes with back-doors for this very reason, so access is easy for "authorities". The only way to be somewhat safe is a custom decryption methods, but even that is time limited on being pulled out.
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Commercially available...maybe, but have you not considered open source sources? penguinpenguin

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Do Not Consent. Illegals? OK. Citizens. Bad idea uncle sam.
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you are part of the problem. You just don't see it do you?
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1 - they have been doing this now for at least seven years.
2 - they can can break any encryption.
3 - it's a police state situation a
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1 - they have been doing this now for at least seven years.
2 - they can can break any encryption.
3 - it's a police state situation a
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Do Not Consent. Illegals? OK. Citizens. Bad idea uncle sam.
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you are part of the problem. You just don't see it do you?
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I dont think you have a say in what happens here in the states judge.
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1 - they have been doing this now for at least seven years.
2 - they can can break any encryption.
3 - it's a police state situation a
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#2 is not necessarily true. it depends on the implementation

Full disk encryption is too good, says US intelligence agency
[link to www.extremetech.com]

Open source encryption stymies FBI hackers
[link to www.computerworlduk.com]

there are other stories out there you just need to find them.

there's also the issue of forcing one to decrypt their data because the .gov cannot do it, whether or not it is unconstitional (5th amendment violation).

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