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Does Jesus Return before or after the AntiChrist is Revealed?

 
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Why do Christians always think Jesus is coming back?

Was he nailed to a boomerang???
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Jesus never technically said he would return.
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Didn't have to.

He taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

That is, everyone 'returns'.

Michael
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Teaching one thing that you the listener interpreted and actually saying you will do something are two VERY different things.

If you speak through "resurrection" then that has already been completed. 2nd coming is nowhere in those cards and was made up so humans could better grasp the journey.

Think of the entire Universe as a bubble single entity
If Jesus never left and is on another plane then his actual words "you will be with me and my father in heaven" does NOT mean he is supposed to come back, pick you up and be your bus driver to get there!

Remember this ancient advanced being we call Jesus was speaking to primitive beings at their level.

Words written by other men about returning on a white horse, etc were just that, WRITTEN BY OTHER MEN!

I could make up a story about Obama for instance saying that he shall rise again in the year 2345 but unless he was a magical advanced being and stated it himself, who am I (or who was John or Peter) to say anything? I wouldn't put too much stock in it.
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Get lost Atheist. You are on the lowest rung of the ladder for satanism. We dont need you in this thread.
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An Aetheist is one who does not believe in a Creator so you got me wrong there. Your ignorant hypothesis of the entire book is lacking any faith or witness.
Read the original Hebrew & Aramaic translations of the book you live by and be enlightened.

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And who was ruling during Pauls time?

THE ROMAN EMPIRE.

2Th 2:7
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

The Mystery of Iniquity was working with the Roman Empire, A government structure.

When Satan took Christ to the Pinnacle and showed him all the Kingdoms, Christ rejected... Who accepted that? THE ROMANS, a government structure.

You're out of your mind if you don't think Satan can't give rulership, power and prestige in this Earth.

Job 9:24 The earth is given into the hand of the wicked: he covereth the faces of the judges thereof; if not, where, and who is he?

The true Judges of this Earth are blind to the fact that they are the Chosen people of this Earth, why? Because the current structure keeps them blinded!

Stop waiting on one boogeyman and open your eyes.
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You have provided great posts throughout this thread.

Unfortunately, they will be ignored.

The antichrist is alive and well.

I think that I know who you are "anonymous" lol.

Can you give your incite on Daniel Chapter 7?

We are definitely under the chaotic 4th beast that is unlike any beast before it.
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He comes after the tribulation as expressed in Matthew 24:29-31. There will be no pre-rapture...

29 Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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Debunking The Rapture

“18)The LORD knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever.
19)They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.
20)But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
21)The wicked borroweth, and payeth not again: but the righteous sheweth mercy, and giveth.
22)For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.
23)The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.
24)Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth him with his hand.
25)I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.
26)He is ever merciful, and lendeth; and his seed is blessed.
27)Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell for evermore.
28) the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
29)The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
30)The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.
31)The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.
32)The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him.
33)The LORD will not leave him in his hand, nor condemn him when he is judged. 34)Wait on the LORD, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it.
35)I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree.
36)Yet he passed away, and, lo, he was not: yea, I sought him, but he could not be found.
37)Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace.
38)But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off.
39)But the salvation of the righteous is of the LORD: he is their strength in the time of trouble.
40)And the LORD shall help them, and deliver them: he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him.” - Psalms Ch37

“30)The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.” - Proverbs Ch10

“31)In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32)Remember Lot's wife.
33)Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
34)I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35)Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36)Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37)And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.” - Luke Ch17

"48) Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away 49) So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50) And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth" - Matthew Ch13


(KJV)Revelation 14:15-20
And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

[16] And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

[17] And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

[18] And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

[19] And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

[20] And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.


“17)These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
18)But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
19)Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
20)And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
21)I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
22)Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
23)Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
24)And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25)And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
26)But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
27)And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.” - Daniel Ch7


"13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
13:7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
13:8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.
13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible." - Isaiah Ch13


“1)And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2)And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3)And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4)And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5)And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6)And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7)And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8)And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” - Revelation Ch13

“12)Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.” - 2 Timothy Ch3


“3)And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4)And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5)For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6)And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7)For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8)All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9)Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10)And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11)And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12)And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13)But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14)And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15)When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16)Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17)Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18)Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20)But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21)For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22)And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23)Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24)For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25)Behold, I have told you before.
26)Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27)For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28)For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29)Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30)And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31)And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32)Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33)So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34)Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35)Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36)But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37)But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38)For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39)And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40)Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41)Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42)Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43)But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44)Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45)Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46)Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47)Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48)But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49)And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50)The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51)And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” - Matthew Ch24

“1)But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2)For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3)For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4)But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5)Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6)Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7)For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8)But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9)For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10)Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
11)Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.” - 1 Thessalonians Ch5

“2)In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.
3)And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4)When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.
5)And the LORD will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.
6)And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the day time from the heat, and for a place of refuge, and for a covert from storm and from rain.” - Isaiah Ch4

“9)After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10)And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11)And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12)Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13)And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14)And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15)Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16)They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17)For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.” - Revelation Ch7

“3)Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD's anger.” - Zephaniah Ch2


“8)But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9)Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” - Romans Ch5

“51)Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52)In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” - 1 Corinthians Ch15

1 Peter 4:12-19
12)Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
13)But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
14)If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.
15)But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.
16)Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
17)For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
18)And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
19)Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
(Refer to Revelation Ch13)

“4)Riches profit not in the day of wrath: but righteousness delivereth from death.” - Proverbs Ch11

"15) I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil" - John Ch17

“1)Wherefore when we could no longer forbear, we thought it good to be left at Athens alone;
2)And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:
3)That no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto.
4)For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.
5)For this cause, when I could no longer forbear, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter have tempted you, and our labour be in vain.” - 1 Thessalonians Ch3

“6)For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.” - Malachi Ch3


“11)For there is no respect of persons with God.” - Romans Ch2

The last three (1 Thessalonians, Malachi and Romans) is meant to let you know that God does not change nor has no respect for persons. Furthermore, if all the chosen of God suffered tribulation and persecution, then it is heresy to think that God would choose us, (the most terrible generation of all time), to NOT suffer tribulation.,
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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2 Thessalonians 2

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2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
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The Apostle Paul who wrote Thesolonians was never told by Jesus, "I will return one day after I have already returned and ressurected"

When Jesus stated "look for my return on the third day..." He was referring to his ressurection from the dead.

The resurrection of the "Undead" if you will
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Why do Christians always think Jesus is coming back?

Was he nailed to a boomerang???
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Revelation 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Sir, just remember you live hour by hour. You don't know everything, but if you are willing to bank on your extremely limited knowledge...God help you.

DON'T DIE IN YOUR SINS...ACCEPT CHRIST!!!
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This is us in heaven after the rapture in Revelation 7:9-17. We're the large innumerable multitude of all nations and languages. The rapture & tribulation (daniel's 70th week) begin at the 6th seal . We are on the precipice of the 6th seal when tSHTF any day now. The 6th seal will open when God's fury comes up in his face at seeing Israel's enemies surrounding her. (Psm17,ezek38,isa13)

Look for All these events to take place in spring,Suddenly&Simultaneously.
Maybe march21 -April 2 ?

Song of Soloman 2:10-13 =rapture
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And remember what the Chief said,

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Now, I am not a fan of ANY religion in this Earth, but who comes in the name of CHRIST? You should look at THEM for the biggest deception...

It's not the Muslims, It's not the Buddhist, it's not the Hindus or even satanist, ITS THE CHRISTIANS.

Modern day Christianity promoted Anti-Christ teachings! From the "law is done away with" doctrine, to the holidays, Sunday worship, virgin birth nonsense, the trinity, ash wednesday, Easter .. I mean the list goes on and on.. all of that is Against the truth of Christ and the Bible.

Modern day Christianity was hi-jacked by Constanstine in the 4th Century and fused pagan doctrine with the NAME of Christ.

Its really easy folks. Start reading your bible and stop listening to what man has to say.
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Okay, but how do you know what Jesus really taught? How do you know what has been tampered with?
I do know that the council of Nicea is where they voted on Jesus being God and that the vote wasn't unanimous. (I imagine the bribes flowing to vote a certain way.)
The truth has already been twisted to a specific agenda of tptb, that is what I believe, but even in walking away from that I still have this place in my heart that believes in the teachings of the man called Jesus.
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Why do Christians always think Jesus is coming back?

Was he nailed to a boomerang???
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Revelation 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Sir, just remember you live hour by hour. You don't know everything, but if you are willing to bank on your extremely limited knowledge...God help you.

DON'T DIE IN YOUR SINS...ACCEPT CHRIST!!!
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Gross.
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Why do Christians always think Jesus is coming back?

Was he nailed to a boomerang???
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Revelation 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Sir, just remember you live hour by hour. You don't know everything, but if you are willing to bank on your extremely limited knowledge...God help you.

DON'T DIE IN YOUR SINS...ACCEPT CHRIST!!!
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Gross.
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Satan?
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Jesus explain to Bernarda Fernandez just when he is reveal we are going
home.She was taken to Heaven and Hell listen to this


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Why do Christians always think Jesus is coming back?

Was he nailed to a boomerang???
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Revelation 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Sir, just remember you live hour by hour. You don't know everything, but if you are willing to bank on your extremely limited knowledge...God help you.

DON'T DIE IN YOUR SINS...ACCEPT CHRIST!!!
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Gross.
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Satan?
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What's a Satan? Is that your gods nemesis?

I don't believe in fairy tales, I'm an adult.
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Jesus never technically said he would return.
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Didn't have to.

He taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

That is, everyone 'returns'.

Michael
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If you speak through "resurrection" then that has already been completed.
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What is it about the word "rebirth" that you do not understand?

Reborn to live lives in the future.

You have, almost certaintly, returned from a previous life.

I have returned from previous lives; because I remember.

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This is us in heaven after the rapture in Revelation 7:9-17. We're the large innumerable multitude of all nations and languages. The rapture & tribulation (daniel's 70th week) begin at the 6th seal . We are on the precipice of the 6th seal when tSHTF any day now. The 6th seal will open when God's fury comes up in his face at seeing Israel's enemies surrounding her. (Psm17,ezek38,isa13)

Look for All these events to take place in spring,Suddenly&Simultaneously.
Maybe march21 -April 2 ?

Song of Soloman 2:10-13 =rapture
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According to Chapter 12, verse 9 of the Book of Daniel, "these words"--that is, the Book of Daniel itself--"will remain secret and sealed until the time of the End."

And, according to Revelations 5:3-10, the only person capable of explaining the Revelation of John is the "Son of man".

So, none of what you have written above is even believable.

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Doesn't ChristianAfterlife Doctrine follow Sharia law?

Worship this man or be beaten, raped, and tortured in hell for all eternity!
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buddhas teachings can be forgotten even when the texts are read and certain interpretations lived out, just as with the bilbe, holy texts are made to preserve the mystery of god until the right timing, so they are made to be read wrongly, because this is ordained by the creator.

there is no other time for a return then now, because the creation stands on 2 pillars, and both of them are fulfilled, the arc of logic has been carried, and the paradox of god having choice is fullfilled with it.

meaning, there is no time left, the christ will return and by his presence divide the world, because many will think he is the antichrist, a beast that is described in the bible as being many, and not one, many that are divided from seeing the whole of god together, and maitreya will see you as a part of his own body, and give hope, hope that we will need, and after it he will be taken, so as to fullfill the fundament of creation, and give god free will where he has not, to suffer that that has no value more. so god can be free. and after it people will realise he was not anti. And through this process the world will divide, come otgether, divide and finlly come together in the next period of time, which will be the garden, the garden of preparation, not anymor ein the land of the 2 rivers that divided the lands, the sea (souls) will elimante its own beast of division and the land(peace or false peace for some) will trample the beast of the lands, ignorance.
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the coming of the christ, called elijah (which is a SEAL, not a person)elijah is the completion of the son that becomes one with the father and comes back to fullfill a function on earth (meaning prepare the way), will not be to be in a function of pope nor any other thing. he comes for 2 things only, one reason for the people, one for god. the reason for the people is HOPE, he will not take away our pain but strengthen us, even the one that hate him, will be strengthened by their hate, because they will be more secure in their believes, and through this indirect way he strengthens them. And he comes for another reason to, to fullfill gods mystery and do as jesus did, but in another way.

the two witnesses, father and son , comes to earth as one, and will not be recognised by all because of this.


this is why everyone is confused when jesus talked about elijah, and told us john is the greatest, because through this seal you will become the greatest. for you the stars were made, for you the prophets were made, and the heavens, will become you. after you "prepared" in Love.And love has many mistakes because it will first fail to protect,, and protection is what shapes capacity.


capacity is where hate gets access in our soulds, and it is where love drives us to hate and divide, the beast that comes for from the spirits. but it is a beast that is different then the beast of the lands.

Every prophet is not here for himself but to fullfill, and jesus fullfilled the mirror of the son of man, as elijah will fullfill the mirror of the bride in total.
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Revelation 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Sir, just remember you live hour by hour. You don't know everything, but if you are willing to bank on your extremely limited knowledge...God help you.

DON'T DIE IN YOUR SINS...ACCEPT CHRIST!!!
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Gross.
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Satan?
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What's a Satan? Is that your gods nemesis?

I don't believe in fairy tales, I'm an adult.
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That's you nemisis, sir...

So, how do you think you got here?
Do you believe that by some random act of dumb forces you came from mud on a rock that was struck by lightening?

There were no natural forces prior to the socalled 'Big Bang' (or surge), NOTHING, but in an instant time, space and matter were created. I don't know, but it only takes a little faith for me to believe a supernatural force had to be the cause.
Unfortuantely, for you, a mountain size worth of faith must be needed to believe that we are here by some accident of ranDUMB forces.

Even one of the world's most staunch atheist is having his doubts about his beliefs as a result of our growing knowledge about DNA. He realizes that information has to come from a source...the first law of information science.

Where did consciousness and intelligence come from?

Why is there a moral code written on you heart, and it is not relative, as murder is murder wherever you go, lies are lies, adultry is adultry, theft is theft. If no God, why be accoutable for anything? Why get married, if we can choose whomever we want in the flock?

Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Lenin all got away with murder as they freely came into the world, snuffed out millions of lives with impunity, who cares? What does it matter, there's no hope, as this is it, right?

Why have condoms when there's no accountability for abortion. Those nearly 60 million babies killed since Roe vs. Wade, 1973 are meaningless. Who cares, there's no God, right?

Mother Theresa, Hitler...neither is good or bad. Neither have any worries after this life, right?

Sir, just because you say there's no God, doesn't mean you're right. The truth is knowable...

Christ has never been disproved, if he had, we'd know, trust me.

That Church is in your neeighborhood because many were willing to die to get it there. Who would die for a lie?
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And remember what the Chief said,

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Now, I am not a fan of ANY religion in this Earth, but who comes in the name of CHRIST? You should look at THEM for the biggest deception...

It's not the Muslims, It's not the Buddhist, it's not the Hindus or even satanist, ITS THE CHRISTIANS.

Modern day Christianity promoted Anti-Christ teachings! From the "law is done away with" doctrine, to the holidays, Sunday worship, virgin birth nonsense, the trinity, ash wednesday, Easter .. I mean the list goes on and on.. all of that is Against the truth of Christ and the Bible.

Modern day Christianity was hi-jacked by Constanstine in the 4th Century and fused pagan doctrine with the NAME of Christ.

Its really easy folks. Start reading your bible and stop listening to what man has to say.
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Then maybe you should "read" what it says:
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

He states that; there will be a "Man" or human being, (not a religion), who will claim to be "CHRIST", (an individual), but are not.

Islam, claims a "Jesus" will come back to help destroy the Hebrews and Christianity, is that not Anti Christ like?

Now, have False religions and Teachings arose, and still are even to this very day? Yes indeed.
Modern Christianity has its faults, but clearly you need a deeper understanding of the Bible.
The virgin Birth is a prophetic sign from God, of the Messiah. Otherwise, Jesus, becomes just another person, claiming to be the Christ.
Just like the doctrine of the Trinity, is used to describe how three persons, can be One God. It is used to enable Human minds to grasp things that are beyond their comprehension.

The belief that Modern Christianity has been Hi jacked, comes from guess who? that's right, MAN.
So take your own advise and reject the teachings of man and stick to the Bible.
If God is who the Bible reveals Him to be, He is more than able to keep man from corrupting His Bible!
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u take the verse out of context, jesus was not talking about one point in time but all times in general way. This is why relgion get confused, they do not put things in the context of the whole.
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NO!
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yes yo do, if you follow jesus teachings taking everything literal out of context for every situation you can not even belief jesus. relgion does not understand it has no logic foundations, but they believe in miracles, and every religion has miracles and warm feelings, still religion is true, but there was deception promised.
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And remember what the Chief said,

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Now, I am not a fan of ANY religion in this Earth, but who comes in the name of CHRIST? You should look at THEM for the biggest deception...

It's not the Muslims, It's not the Buddhist, it's not the Hindus or even satanist, ITS THE CHRISTIANS.

Modern day Christianity promoted Anti-Christ teachings! From the "law is done away with" doctrine, to the holidays, Sunday worship, virgin birth nonsense, the trinity, ash wednesday, Easter .. I mean the list goes on and on.. all of that is Against the truth of Christ and the Bible.

Modern day Christianity was hi-jacked by Constanstine in the 4th Century and fused pagan doctrine with the NAME of Christ.

Its really easy folks. Start reading your bible and stop listening to what man has to say.
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Okay, but how do you know what Jesus really taught? How do you know what has been tampered with?
I do know that the council of Nicea is where they voted on Jesus being God and that the vote wasn't unanimous. (I imagine the bribes flowing to vote a certain way.)
The truth has already been twisted to a specific agenda of tptb, that is what I believe, but even in walking away from that I still have this place in my heart that believes in the teachings of the man called Jesus.
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In the Council of Nicaea, they discussed, argued and voted on whether Jesus was eternal, existing before creation, and before His " birth" or not. Thus making Him equal, with God the Father, or a "lesser" version of the God head.
They also dealt with many other issues of Faith and practice.

The error here, is believing that TPTB are Greater than God!
If so, then God is not, the all powerful one, who he claims to be.
If He is all powerful, then He has kept his Word from being tampered with. It is all in what you believe.
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why should god keep his word clean ?
he does not need that to be all powerfull,
he needs the deception to play out.
God is more the only good, he is in control of a lot of pain in this world, and he allows it, because of a reason, which is bigger then our pain.

god used the bible for two reasons, to help those in need of help, and to hide a mysterie, that will open a trap so the world can be divided, as israel was divided over two mountains.
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jesus being eteranl is not disconnected from gods body as a whole, where everything is eternal, i told you the bible is more then help, it is also a trap, depending on where your heart wants to go. This is why even those who called the name jesus or christ or god without the right intent will no see the eternal.
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Do you really think He's coming back?
To this Hellhole?
this Den of Vipers?
Again?
After all the humiliation, ignorance, backstabbing,lies, torture and execution?
Do you not think He suffered enough?

Meditate on This:

"My kindom is Not of this Realm."
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and befoe i scare someone, god is all loving, he has many names that symbolise his being spirit and truth, christ is the name of the will of god coming alive through men, as jesus became christ... many search god with the name "truth" , not with the name "christ", but still the deception will be also for those that will know eternity, when your heart is not set to love the whole body of god, christ.
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He comes after the tribulation as expressed in Matthew 24:29-31. There will be no pre-rapture...

29 Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

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i think he will be there during the rapture. Hed want to suffer with the humans because he loves them. Coz they are awesome.
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Do you really think He's coming back?
To this Hellhole?
this Den of Vipers?
Again?
After all the humiliation, ignorance, backstabbing,lies, torture and execution?
Do you not think He suffered enough?

Meditate on This:

"My kindom is Not of this Realm."
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God NEEDS to come back, why ?
because he allowed pain in himself for reason, without coming back he can not complete reason, and so he will not be omnipotent because no free god needs pain in his backyard.
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why should god keep his word clean ?
he does not need that to be all powerfull,
he needs the deception to play out.
God is more the only good, he is in control of a lot of pain in this world, and he allows it, because of a reason, which is bigger then our pain.

god used the bible for two reasons, to help those in need of help, and to hide a mysterie, that will open a trap so the world can be divided, as israel was divided over two mountains.
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God would keep His Word, clean because: He and His Word are One.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, glory as of an only begotten from the Father, full of grace and of truth.

That's why.

God passed the Control of this world to us, and through our Sin, we create the pain, not Him, nor is it in His control.
He has show us the way out, and provided the means to overcome it, but it is our choice.

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