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Azeratel Axo User ID: 20063747 Canada 02/18/2013 03:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have met many who are very psychotic but wear nice business suits and are not homeless Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32538141 but have what this world deems as 'respectable careers' Believe me I have met many psychotics make a lot of money in high careers not all psychotics are homeless When a person is in psychosis, they are unable to function in a normal manner, mate. What you are describing is not psychosis. There are a lot of different mental illnesses. A person who is in psychosis cannot 'get away with appearing normal'. lol at that. Yes they can. Some of the most psychotic individuals in the world are charming and highly eloquent. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34690082 Australia 02/18/2013 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find your posts ironic because you have no idea what I do ... Quoting: Creation Poetique In fact, let's leave it at that. However, I can tell you that your little stereotype is COMPLETE bullshit. They make up the BULK of the homeless population? Want to share some evidence to back that up or are you going to keep spewing nonsense and pretending to sound like you know what you're talking about? Let me guess...you KNOW because you were homeless (but also psychotic). Just because you had a crazy breakdown doesn't mean you have any further insight to this. It just means you had psychotic break (which I'm guessing a nice little psychiatrist told you, yes? then put you on hmmmm lemme guess...risperidone? haliperidol? olanzapine?) READ the article: "In the past, the city Department of Health would ask cops for help finding mentally ill people who aren’t taking their court-mandated meds so they could be taken to clinics. But that only applied to those who had known addresses — and patients who went off the grid were rarely pursued...Cops in the NYPD’s Real Time Crime Center are using high-tech methods to first track down the individuals, and detectives on the street have been assigned to then go after them"... So YES this IS New and Odd. We're talking about a high-tech round-up of people the "authorities" have deemed "mentally ill" and "dangerous". If you can't see the slippery slope, hun, then forget it. I'm not going to argue the obvious with you. Let me stop here before I continue a rant about the quackery that IS the field of psychiatry... wow you know what? you are extremely rude. I find your attitude in this post disgustingly rude. um excuse me on your judgement of my condition and what you suppose I did and had diagnosed and was medicated? The answer is no to all of your assumptions on it. but really that is none of your business. And seriously, you are way too rude to even be replying to. your attitude is disgusting and welcome to my ignore list. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 15737046 United States 02/18/2013 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | wow you know what? you are extremely rude. I find your attitude in this post disgustingly rude. Quoting: Requiem um excuse me on your judgement of my condition and what you suppose I did and had diagnosed and was medicated? The answer is no to all of your assumptions on it. but really that is none of your business. And seriously, you are way too rude to even be replying to. your attitude is disgusting and welcome to my ignore list. Don't want people to respond to what you say? DON'T PUT YOUR CONDITION ON A PUBLIC FORUM THEN. Cripes. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1259776 United States 02/18/2013 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Requiem so by reading this thread you you guys just don't have any idea what psychotic mental illness is all about eh. I was homeless for 5 months because of psychosis. I should have been in hospital and so should many homeless people. The people they are targeting are genuinely dangerous.. because they are absolutely crazy.. have you ever had contact with someone that crazy? they are literally dangerous and need to be hospitalised. For their safety and for everyone else's. this warrant they talk about is in many countries. It's not new and it's not odd - it's for people who are in a dangerous state and who should be being medicated and kept out of public until they are better but who just run off and go fuck it. They cause genuine fucking trouble, these people. becuase they are as insane as it gets... unless you have seen it or been it don't just go OMG they want to take away our liberty blar de blar it's for no reason!!!!.. um no.. it's for a very good reason. Are you certain they all are located in NYC? what about other big cities like Washington DC and shitcongo? sorry but i don't understand how your comments relate to my post. There are psychotic homeless people everywhere, in every city, in every homeless population. They form the bulk of homeless people, really; people in various types of mental illnesses, who have no family or no family who cares enough to make sure they are looked after. That is one area which just falls through every crack a society has. Perhaps the northern European countries have learned how to deal with it, I would guess that if any countries have, they would have, but still I wouldn't expect it. I have met many who are very psychotic but wear nice business suits and are not homeless but have what this world deems as 'respectable careers' Believe me I have met many psychotics make a lot of money in high careers not all psychotics are homeless right I have a hive of them living in the rental beside me and they scare me shitless. Right now theyare driving across my drive, and across the sidewalk to enter the highway; creating an ice patch on the public sidewalk in front of my house, and the driveway, before I can shovel the soft snow away and salt the area. If anyone slips and falls on it I will be sued, so I have to do something about it. I cannot just ignore it. So, i have to try to think of ways of what you would do with a wild animal to discourage it away from any troublesome area it is creating. It is a weird and scary life, but I have dealt with such, as a farmer and in my work-life as a HHA. I thought I could retire, but I guess not. |
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my 2 cents User ID: 26646007 Canada 02/18/2013 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what.... We all know the hospitals don't want them anyway. They will look them over and turn them right back out. It's a revolving door system and has been since Reagan shut down all the "nut" houses in the 80's. It's just a dog and pony show to make the sheeples think "something" is being done. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34191459 Lots of room for them and all the other dissenters in the new FEMA camps. These camps are springing up like mushrooms in a shit pile. Patriotism is supporting your country always -- and your government when they deserve it. Mark Twain Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who kept their swords. -Benjamin Franklin |
Requiemdream (Ghost) User ID: 34068611 United States 02/18/2013 03:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did no one else spot these false-flag 'type' (I'll say it that way) events when they were HYPED by the press? Did you not find it ODD? Back to back subway attacks being shown all over the press? Anytime something is emblazoned across the media (Sandy Hook-guns, Dorner-drones) prepare for a follow up action. They set this up nicely, don't you think? WAKE UP! Perpetually dumbfounded. “I have learned now that while those who speak about one's miseries usually hurt, those who keep silence hurt more." C.S. Lewis “Sticks and stones may break your bones but words can break hearts.” Tim Minchin |
Chris12138 User ID: 33218228 United States 02/18/2013 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find your posts ironic because you have no idea what I do ... Quoting: Creation Poetique In fact, let's leave it at that. However, I can tell you that your little stereotype is COMPLETE bullshit. They make up the BULK of the homeless population? Want to share some evidence to back that up or are you going to keep spewing nonsense and pretending to sound like you know what you're talking about? Let me guess...you KNOW because you were homeless (but also psychotic). Just because you had a crazy breakdown doesn't mean you have any further insight to this. It just means you had psychotic break (which I'm guessing a nice little psychiatrist told you, yes? then put you on hmmmm lemme guess...risperidone? haliperidol? olanzapine?) READ the article: "In the past, the city Department of Health would ask cops for help finding mentally ill people who aren’t taking their court-mandated meds so they could be taken to clinics. But that only applied to those who had known addresses — and patients who went off the grid were rarely pursued...Cops in the NYPD’s Real Time Crime Center are using high-tech methods to first track down the individuals, and detectives on the street have been assigned to then go after them"... So YES this IS New and Odd. We're talking about a high-tech round-up of people the "authorities" have deemed "mentally ill" and "dangerous". If you can't see the slippery slope, hun, then forget it. I'm not going to argue the obvious with you. Let me stop here before I continue a rant about the quackery that IS the field of psychiatry... wow you know what? you are extremely rude. I find your attitude in this post disgustingly rude. um excuse me on your judgement of my condition and what you suppose I did and had diagnosed and was medicated? The answer is no to all of your assumptions on it. but really that is none of your business. And seriously, you are way too rude to even be replying to. your attitude is disgusting and welcome to my ignore list. Don't want people to respond to what you say? DON'T PUT YOUR CONDITION ON A PUBLIC FORUM THEN. Cripes. As an impartial observer I will say that Requiem's assertion that the majority of homeless are clinically insane is probably a little off. But I also don't think that rounding up 25 folks who are presumably VERY sick equals a slippery slope to tyranny. I know exactly where your coming from though I am extremely skeptical of the pseudo-science they call "psychiatry". But there are some homeless out there that are extremely dangerous. They harm innocent people and slip in and out of society so I assume "high tech" methods are required to find these disturbed people in such a highly populated city. I would say it's a slippery slope in both directions that just needs a little common sense applied to it. Last Edited by Gator! on 02/18/2013 03:26 PM |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 15737046 United States 02/18/2013 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since they have already declared most of as "mentally unstable" and potential terrorists, this could be the first step toward locking up anyone that doesn't support their agenda. Support the 2nd amendment, it might be all that keeps them from locking you up! Quoting: Epic Beard Guy Thank you. THIS is the point. The slippery slope of "high-tech" round ups. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34691583 United States 02/18/2013 03:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | flash back Austin City Manager Marc Ott spends night in homeless shelter and walks the streets to better understand homelessness [link to www.youtube.com] |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 15737046 United States 02/18/2013 03:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As an impartial observer I will say that Requiem's assertion that the majority of homeless are clinically insane is probably a little off. But I also don't think that rounding up 25 folks who are presumably VERY sick equals a slippery slope to tyranny. Quoting: Chris12138 I know exactly where your coming from though I am extremely skeptical of the pseudo-science they call "psychiatry". But there are some homeless out there that are extremely dangerous. They harm innocent people and slip in and out of society so I assume "high tech" methods are required to find these disturbed people in such a highly populated city. You are right. There are also many people who are NOT homeless who are extremely violent and dangerous as well. So tell me this: where do we draw the line on rounding up potentially "dangerous" folk? How do we standardize such a term? Who has the authority to standardize what constitutes a potential threat? Do we start a Minority Report type society? Do you see where this goes? |
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Chris12138 User ID: 33218228 United States 02/18/2013 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As an impartial observer I will say that Requiem's assertion that the majority of homeless are clinically insane is probably a little off. But I also don't think that rounding up 25 folks who are presumably VERY sick equals a slippery slope to tyranny. Quoting: Chris12138 I know exactly where your coming from though I am extremely skeptical of the pseudo-science they call "psychiatry". But there are some homeless out there that are extremely dangerous. They harm innocent people and slip in and out of society so I assume "high tech" methods are required to find these disturbed people in such a highly populated city. You are right. There are also many people who are NOT homeless who are extremely violent and dangerous as well. So tell me this: where do we draw the line on rounding up potentially "dangerous" folk? How do we standardize such a term? Who has the authority to standardize what constitutes a potential threat? Do we start a Minority Report type society? Do you see where this goes? Totally know what your getting at. You start classifying people as "potentially dangerous" and "disturbed" next thing you know we're getting rounded up for stockpiling ammo, believing in individualism, not believing in "fairness" and "spreading the wealth around." etc etc. I just don't want to get my faced chewed off by some poo flinger on the subway ranting about the microchip in his brain when this person should have been institutionalized a long time ago LOL. Last Edited by Gator! on 02/18/2013 03:36 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31194169 Canada 02/18/2013 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As an impartial observer I will say that Requiem's assertion that the majority of homeless are clinically insane is probably a little off. But I also don't think that rounding up 25 folks who are presumably VERY sick equals a slippery slope to tyranny. Quoting: Chris12138 I know exactly where your coming from though I am extremely skeptical of the pseudo-science they call "psychiatry". But there are some homeless out there that are extremely dangerous. They harm innocent people and slip in and out of society so I assume "high tech" methods are required to find these disturbed people in such a highly populated city. You are right. There are also many people who are NOT homeless who are extremely violent and dangerous as well. So tell me this: where do we draw the line on rounding up potentially "dangerous" folk? How do we standardize such a term? Who has the authority to standardize what constitutes a potential threat? Do we start a Minority Report type society? Do you see where this goes? jacuzzi albinos? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32538141 United States 02/18/2013 03:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have met many who are very psychotic but wear nice business suits and are not homeless Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32538141 but have what this world deems as 'respectable careers' Believe me I have met many psychotics make a lot of money in high careers not all psychotics are homeless When a person is in psychosis, they are unable to function in a normal manner, mate. What you are describing is not psychosis. There are a lot of different mental illnesses. A person who is in psychosis cannot 'get away with appearing normal'. lol at that. Yes they can. Some of the most psychotic individuals in the world are charming and highly eloquent. My ex sister in law is one of them |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32538141 United States 02/18/2013 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32538141 Are you certain they all are located in NYC? what about other big cities like Washington DC and shitcongo? sorry but i don't understand how your comments relate to my post. There are psychotic homeless people everywhere, in every city, in every homeless population. They form the bulk of homeless people, really; people in various types of mental illnesses, who have no family or no family who cares enough to make sure they are looked after. That is one area which just falls through every crack a society has. Perhaps the northern European countries have learned how to deal with it, I would guess that if any countries have, they would have, but still I wouldn't expect it. I have met many who are very psychotic but wear nice business suits and are not homeless but have what this world deems as 'respectable careers' Believe me I have met many psychotics make a lot of money in high careers not all psychotics are homeless right I have a hive of them living in the rental beside me and they scare me shitless. Right now theyare driving across my drive, and across the sidewalk to enter the highway; creating an ice patch on the public sidewalk in front of my house, and the driveway, before I can shovel the soft snow away and salt the area. If anyone slips and falls on it I will be sued, so I have to do something about it. I cannot just ignore it. So, i have to try to think of ways of what you would do with a wild animal to discourage it away from any troublesome area it is creating. It is a weird and scary life, but I have dealt with such, as a farmer and in my work-life as a HHA. I thought I could retire, but I guess not. I worked with one as a 'boss' for a year and a half...the way he got around it was he never spoke to me unless he had to and left all speaking up to the other part owner.... When he did speak he would be in a delusional tirade of yelling that made no sense to logic what so ever.... he was good at certain type of law and this is what kept bread on his table.... but to say he was NOT a psychotic one would have to really evaluate that one!!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1555009 Netherlands 02/18/2013 03:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | According to the NY Post, NYC has begun a "roundup" of the mentally ill homeless who hang around subway stations. Quoting: Creation Poetique The city has already drawn up a list of 25 targets This comes after a pair of high-profile subway-shove fatalities from December. “After the Queens subway attack [of immigrant Sunando Sen], the [city] decided to take a proactive approach to track down the most dangerous mental-health patients that currently have mental-hygiene warrants” out for them, a law-enforcement source said. () Cops in the NYPD’s Real Time Crime Center are using high-tech methods to first track down the individuals, and detectives on the street have been assigned to then go after them and take them to hospitals, law-enforcement sources said. [link to www.nypost.com] So, it begins with the mentally ill "undesirables".... I hope they have lots of room! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 34124903 United States 02/18/2013 03:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this is more complicated than that. I have a sibling who manages ok on meds(can feed herself, pay the bills, do all the regualar stuff) but unfortunately goes off them reguarly.She can't take care of herself off meds because the paranoia sets in she scares everyone and she ends up evicted. So she is mentally ill and receives disability and can see a state assigned psychiatrist but when she goes off the meds and won't see the doc there is not a damn thing anyone can do. I am pretty sure she is about to be homeless this time because the state can't lock her up in a mental hospital unless she hurts someone. so now do you know why there are so many crazy homeless people? So if you go crazy and manage to get disability you better take the pills remember that. It is better than being homeless and then picked up by the Bloomberg mental hygiene squad. What happens then? |
Xarian User ID: 34698297 Australia 02/18/2013 03:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In a perfect world, with good intentions and rainbows and shit... this is a good idea. But.. yeah.. this aint no perfect world by any stretch, and America is on a tightrope right now balancing 2 rabid rottweilers.. and a poodle on heat just ran by... In this society that just loves to classify each human into some hole, we already have rectangles being forced into triangle holes. the loose terminology in the statement presented in the OP is beyond scary, as is my point.. there will be no "line", they will go for that extra mile and if you cannot see that.. then i have a bridge to sell you. Seriously.. Metal "health" is a joke, psychology is a dark art of guesswork and chemical manipulation. it wasn't that long ago they were still doing nasty things to try and figure out "how that works" .. not that long ago.. Don't get me started on "body language" and other dangerous fads that have been adopted by certain "professionals" even if they don't admit they use it to diagnose.. they'll talk your ear of about how they know someones lying because they looked to the left or scratched their nose.. There really isn't any good in much of it, this "law" will make it worse, and if it spreads (as these thing like to do once proved effective and easy) we're ALL in serious shit. Thought i'd come back and add to my previous "raggghhhhhh!!" with some clarity (caffine is awesome!) |
Chris12138 User ID: 33218228 United States 02/18/2013 03:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In a perfect world, with good intentions and rainbows and shit... this is a good idea. Quoting: Xarian But.. yeah.. this aint no perfect world by any stretch, and America is on a tightrope right now balancing 2 rabid rottweilers.. and a poodle on heat just ran by... In this society that just loves to classify each human into some hole, we already have rectangles being forced into triangle holes. the loose terminology in the statement presented in the OP is beyond scary, as is my point.. there will be no "line", they will go for that extra mile and if you cannot see that.. then i have a bridge to sell you. Seriously.. Metal "health" is a joke, psychology is a dark art of guesswork and chemical manipulation. it wasn't that long ago they were still doing nasty things to try and figure out "how that works" .. not that long ago.. Don't get me started on "body language" and other dangerous fads that have been adopted by certain "professionals" even if they don't admit they use it to diagnose.. they'll talk your ear of about how they know someones lying because they looked to the left or scratched their nose.. There really isn't any good in much of it, this "law" will make it worse, and if it spreads (as these thing like to do once proved effective and easy) we're ALL in serious shit. Thought i'd come back and add to my previous "raggghhhhhh!!" with some clarity (caffine is awesome!) Well put. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 15737046 United States 02/18/2013 04:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In a perfect world, with good intentions and rainbows and shit... this is a good idea. Quoting: Xarian But.. yeah.. this aint no perfect world by any stretch, and America is on a tightrope right now balancing 2 rabid rottweilers.. and a poodle on heat just ran by... In this society that just loves to classify each human into some hole, we already have rectangles being forced into triangle holes. the loose terminology in the statement presented in the OP is beyond scary, as is my point.. there will be no "line", they will go for that extra mile and if you cannot see that.. then i have a bridge to sell you. Seriously.. Metal "health" is a joke, psychology is a dark art of guesswork and chemical manipulation. it wasn't that long ago they were still doing nasty things to try and figure out "how that works" .. not that long ago.. Don't get me started on "body language" and other dangerous fads that have been adopted by certain "professionals" even if they don't admit they use it to diagnose.. they'll talk your ear of about how they know someones lying because they looked to the left or scratched their nose.. There really isn't any good in much of it, this "law" will make it worse, and if it spreads (as these thing like to do once proved effective and easy) we're ALL in serious shit. Thought i'd come back and add to my previous "raggghhhhhh!!" with some clarity (caffine is awesome!) Glad you did. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 34207802 United States 02/18/2013 04:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | question for ya,ll.......... what would you do with a grown man who abducted an 8 yr old boy and a 9 yr old girl, and then murderd them both and ate , yes ate, their genitals ????..........................................................................., well in upstate new york about mid 70,s this happend, and he was tried and convicted and served 8-9 yrs in prison. when he was coming up for parole in 1981 , it made the news big time, and no one wanted this guy in their community. buffalo didnt, rochester didnt, syracuse didnt, well then ,it was queit, not a peep!!. fast forward to 1991 or 92 i forget , he made the news , MR. ARTHUR SHAWCROSS had graduated into the serial killer hall of fame , 18 young woman were snuffed out , thanks to art. he should have rode old sparkey first time around no ifs ands or buts.zero tolerance for these kinds of crimes , NO REHAB, NO LIFE IN PRISON, FEED THE BEARS . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34699297 United States 02/18/2013 04:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Seems that Mr. Hitler himself was funded by the Juice. In fact, the same Juice and their Banks currently fucking up America. [link to www.youtube.com] Rothschild. . . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9014106 Australia 02/18/2013 04:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this is more complicated than that. I have a sibling who manages ok on meds(can feed herself, pay the bills, do all the regualar stuff) but unfortunately goes off them reguarly.She can't take care of herself off meds because the paranoia sets in she scares everyone and she ends up evicted. So she is mentally ill and receives disability and can see a state assigned psychiatrist but when she goes off the meds and won't see the doc there is not a damn thing anyone can do. I am pretty sure she is about to be homeless this time because the state can't lock her up in a mental hospital unless she hurts someone. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34124903 so now do you know why there are so many crazy homeless people? So if you go crazy and manage to get disability you better take the pills remember that. It is better than being homeless and then picked up by the Bloomberg mental hygiene squad. What happens then? Ha! Remember 'the pills' or 'injections' as the case may be VERY OFTEN make you worse. Akathisia - very common side effect - can exacerbate psychotic symptoms, make you suicidal, violent or even homicidal. It brings on severe restlessness and a type of internal torture. That's not to mention the continual brain atrophy and organ damage caused. Granted, it is also dangerous to go cold turkey off your meds too - and ideally, you should have a carer that oversees your day to day condition, and takes action to help prevent a relapse. However, in this case, my concern is what happens to the 'homeless' in the psych ward. It is very expensive to keep people in hospital. My guess is that the doctors would be instructed to keep them on such high doses of drugs, they would suffer horrificly, then die (be killed) within a few months or less. Folks, this has happened previously. |
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