The Anti-Christ is a world figure, and is not the Pope!

Quoting Anonymous Coward
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NEWSFLASH, the Pope is a WORLD WIDE figure, ummm just incase you haven't noticed all the hype about them in the news lately!

As I stated early in my post we can not foretell who the A/C is at this point in time, but we the Bible clearly indicates that there will be three separate entities, The Devil, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet

Now, since the bible does indicate that there will be three and not one or two as you suggest, yes count them 1,2,3, entities (very good!)how could one The Pope as you say, fill two of the three roles.

Why not go even further with your ridiculous argument and cut to the chase, by saying the the Pope will in fact be all three characters??? Oh, but that doesn't fit in to your little self perceive notion now does it!

The Bible is very clear, there are three distinct entities which make up this unholy alliance. I know you'll find this hard to believe, but hey that's what the good book says, so get over it already!!!

As far as the Pope being a world figure you are correct, I didn't think I would have to elaborate to much on this point as most people are intelligent enough to know what I was referring to except imbeciles like you, but here you are anyway!

If you would have read my earlier posts, you would have learned,

Anti-Christ - World Figure
Not necessarily Political, but He will fill that world role.

Pope - False Prophet
Who is destroyed by the Beast (The Anti-Christ) sometime during the Great Tribulation! and therefore can not be the
Anti-Christ as some are claiming

Satan - Is Satan, who else?

Please remove yourself from this intelligent conversation.

Thank you!









And I stand corrected thank you, you are correct! For I didn't think I would have to spell it all out for imbeciles, like you, but again here you are!


Everyone, I would like to reinterate that The AC is a world (Political) Figure!

I would like to clarify that my previous statement was accidentally posted before finishing editing and I stand by my previous statement up to the last three or four lines of text.

I as have stated and still hold unto,

Anti-Christ - World Figure
Not necessarily Political, but He will fill that world role.

Pope - False Prophet
Who is destroyed by the Beast (The Anti-Christ) sometime during the Great Tribulation! and therefore can not be the
Anti-Christ as some are claiming

Satan - Is Satan, who else?

End of previous statement, I apologize for any misunderstanding on my part. (Thank you!)

Even So, praise God!

Scriptures for the anti Christ
1 John 2:18 Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus (Iesous) Christ (Christos) as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

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antichrist - RCC... they are a world figure with the pope at the head of the power

False prophet - the United States

They both get their power from satan, that's obvious

and the man of sin (antichrist) is not always against Christ, it can also mean "in the place of" Christ, such as the Pope thinking he's Jesus in a veil of flesh and the priests thinking they're "so many gods" as they say in their own writings!! Antichrist exalts himself above all that is called God or worshipped!

again the antichrist is RELIGIOUS as well as POLITICAL in nature! the issue at the end is over worship, more specifically WHO we really worship!

Yes your right if you become the impostor you are against them because you word is now all that matters. That is why the vicor of christ the pope is in place of christ and aganist christ, so who ever is the anti christ will do the same....

2 Thess 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Again, the man of sin (antichrist) comes from RIGHT within the church! People would NOT be deceived by a political figure about worshipping God! They are deceived by RELIGIOUS figures who EXALT themselves and DECEIVE, and draw away disciples after themselves!!

well i see a shadow entity not exactly in a elites role 2 people that stand out as puppet masters, if i am to run with religious suggestiveness,and curiosities as to why would govts do that. 1. henry kissenger or 2. david wynn miller both are in positions enough to be considered. dwm was my first choice though.
k.... for the war mongering and security fascism, dwm for his grammar persae logic. which is propping us economy so he boasts. which nullifies cannon law with correct grammar persae.if he truly has equated mathematical solvent to grammar so it read mathematical correct front and back then he hold the global dowry.

dwm he states he has a post master general status and a 72 degree mason level, gone to the vatican, took a friend over seas with a stamp attach to him as mail, applied this logic to cancer, cure you of cancer with 105 degrees fever over 5 days he implies that there is a absolute threshold in this temperate.he also states he holds a federal judge status.

Yeah,
because you esteem I know nothing
my words have no values for you
and I am a hindrance to your believe

I didn't read the Bible, my path was some else
But I am wise to see between lines and hidden meanings

The Book was corrupted/cripted by Hand made/God will
So it won't be understood until the end

But then, why would you believe me...

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I just want to beware you about making interpretations of the Bible,
even more in this time of false prophets...

Quoting: PPP above
But then, why would you believe me...

First time I agree with you.

Hey Mike, are you online now?

Yes I am, how may I help you?

Quoting: All of you the pope is the A/C crowd

If what you say is true, that the Pope is actually the A/C, then explain this for me???

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. (Rev 17:16-18)

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25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
(Matt 12:24-25)

So if the Pope is in fact as you all claim the A/C, that would also mean according to own logic, that the Catholic Church was/is in fact the end times apostate church.

So further reasoning with your logic, How/why is it that the Pope(A/C)turns against his own apostate church???.

Antichrist
Definition: Antichrist means against or instead of Christ. The term applies to all who deny what the Bible says about Jesus Christ, all who oppose his Kingdom, and all who mistreat his followers. It also includes individuals, organizations, and nations that falsely claim to represent Christ or that improperly ascribe to themselves the role of Messiah.

Does the Bible refer to only one antichrist?
1 John 2:18: “Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard that antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists; from which fact we gain the knowledge that it is the last hour.”

2 John 7: “Many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.” (Notice that the “many antichrists” of 1 John 2:18 are here referred to collectively as “the antichrist.”)
Is the coming of the antichrist reserved for some future time?

1 John 4:3: “Every inspired expression that does not confess Jesus does not originate with God. Furthermore, this is the antichrist’s inspired expression which you have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world.” (That was written near the end of the first century C.E.)

1 John 2:18: “Even now there have come to be many antichrists; from which fact we gain the knowledge that it is the last hour.” (By “last hour” John evidently meant the end of the apostolic period. The other apostles had died, and John himself was very old.)

Some of those identified as antichrist—
Persons who deny that Jesus is truly the Messiah
1 John 2:22: “Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ [or, Messiah, anointed one]? This is the antichrist.”

All who deny that Jesus is the unique Son of God
1 John 2:22: “This is the antichrist, the one that denies the Father and the Son.”

Compare John 10:36; Luke 9:35.

Apostates
1 John 2:18, 19: “There have come to be many antichrists . . . They went out from us, but they were not of our sort.”

Those who oppose Christ’s true followers
John 15:20, 21: “If they have persecuted me, they will persecute you also . . . But they will do all these things against you on account of my name.”

Individuals and nations that oppose Christ as King or that themselves falsely claim the Messianic role

Ps. 2:2: “The kings of earth take their stand and high officials themselves have massed together as one against Jehovah and against his anointed one [Christ, or Messiah].”
See also Revelation 17:3, 12-14; 19:11-21.

Matt. 24:24: “False Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones.”

Do you have a picture of Lindsey Lohan doing the backwards crab-walk?

...Just a clothed version is good enough, thanks....

Joel Osteen is the anti-Christ

The Antichrist Exposed
HOW would you protect yourself if you knew that a deadly epidemic was raging in your area? You would likely build up your immune system and stay away from people who are contagious. We must do the same in a spiritual sense. The Scriptures tell us that the antichrist “is already in the world.” (1 John 4:3) If we want to escape “infection,” we must identify the “carriers” and avoid them. Thankfully, the Bible sheds considerable light on the subject.

“Antichrist” means “against (or instead of) Christ.” So in its broadest sense, the term refers to all who oppose or lyingly claim to be the Christ or his representatives. Jesus himself said: “He that is not on my side is against me [or is antichrist], and he that does not gather with me scatters.”—Luke 11:23.

Of course, John wrote about the antichrist over 60 years after Jesus died and was resurrected to heaven. Hence, the antichrist’s activities must be understood in the light of how they affect Jesus’ loyal followers on earth.—Matthew 25:40, 45.

The Antichrist Is Anti-Christian
Jesus warned his followers that the world in general would hate them. He said: “People will deliver you up to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name. And many false prophets will arise and mislead many.”—Matthew 24:9, 11.

Because Jesus’ disciples are persecuted “on account of [Jesus’] name,” the persecutors are clearly antichrist, against Christ. The “false prophets,” some of whom were once Christians, are also in that category. (2 John 7) These “many antichrists,” wrote John, “went out from us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us.”—1 John 2:18, 19.
The words of both Jesus and John plainly indicate that the antichrist is not a single person but is made up of many individual antichrists. Moreover, because they are false prophets, one of their main objectives is religious deception. What are some of their devices?

Spreading Religious Lies
The apostle Paul warned his fellow worker Timothy to beware of the teachings of apostates, such as Hymenaeus and Philetus, whose “word will spread like gangrene.” Paul added: “These very men have deviated from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already occurred; and they are subverting the faith of some.” (2 Timothy 2:16-18) Apparently, Hymenaeus and Philetus taught that the resurrection was a symbolic one and that Christians had already been resurrected in a spiritual sense. Granted, becoming a genuine disciple of Jesus brings one to life from God’s standpoint, which Paul himself plainly stated. (Ephesians 2:1-5) Nevertheless, the teaching of Hymenaeus and Philetus disregarded Jesus’ promise of a literal resurrection of the dead under God’s Kingdom rule.—John 5:28, 29.

Ideas of a purely symbolic resurrection were later developed by a group called Gnostics. Believing that knowledge (gno′sis in Greek) could be derived in a mystical way, Gnostics combined apostate Christianity with Greek philosophy and Oriental mysticism. For instance, they held that all physical matter is evil, and for that reason, Jesus did not come in the flesh but only seemed to have a human body—a belief called Docetism. As we have seen, this is precisely what the apostle John had warned against.—1 John 4:2, 3; 2 John 7.

Another fabrication, concocted centuries later, is the doctrine of the so-called holy Trinity, which makes the assertion that Jesus is both Almighty God and the Son of God. In his book The Church of the First Three Centuries, Dr. Alvan Lamson states that the doctrine of the Trinity “had its origin in a source entirely foreign from that of the Jewish and Christian Scriptures; that it grew up, and was ingrafted on Christianity, through the hands of the Platonizing Fathers.” Who were these “Platonizing Fathers”? They were apostate clerics who were infatuated with the teachings of pagan Greek philosopher Plato.
The engrafting of the Trinity was a masterstroke of the antichrist, for this doctrine shrouded God in mystery and blurred his relationship with the Son. (John 14:28; 15:10; Colossians 1:15) Just think, how can one “draw close to God,” as encouraged by the Scriptures, if God is a mystery?—James 4:8.

Adding to the confusion, many Bible translators have taken God’s name, Jehovah, out of their translations, even though it occurs over 7,000 times in the original text! Clearly, attempting to turn the Almighty into not just a mystery but a nameless mystery is an act of gross disrespect for our Creator and his inspired Word. (Revelation 22:18, 19) Furthermore, replacing the divine name with such titles as Lord and God is a violation of Jesus’ model prayer, which says in part: “Thy name be hallowed [or, made holy].”—Matthew 6:9, The New English Bible.

Antichrists Reject God’s Kingdom
Antichrists have become particularly active during “the last days,” the time in which we now live. (2 Timothy 3:1) A key objective of these modern-day deceivers is to mislead people in regard to Jesus’ role as King of God’s Kingdom, a heavenly government that will soon rule over the entire earth.—Daniel 7:13, 14; Revelation 11:15.

For example, some religious leaders preach that God’s Kingdom is a condition in the heart of men, a view that finds no basis in the Scriptures. (Daniel 2:44) Others claim that Christ works through human governments and institutions. Yet, Jesus stated: “My kingdom is no part of this world.” (John 18:36) Indeed, Satan, not Christ, is “the ruler of the world” and “the god of this system of things.” (John 14:30; 2 Corinthians 4:4) This explains why Jesus will soon eliminate all human governments and become earth’s sole Ruler. (Psalm 2:2, 6-9; Revelation 19:11-21) People pray for this outcome when they recite the Lord’s Prayer, saying: “Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth.”—Matthew 6:10, King James Version.

Because they support the political systems of the world, many religious leaders have opposed, even persecuted, those who proclaim the truth about God’s Kingdom. Interestingly, the Bible book of Revelation mentions a symbolic harlot—“Babylon the Great”—who is “drunk with the blood of the holy ones and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.” (Revelation 17:4-6) She also practices spiritual harlotry by lending her support to earth’s “kings,” or political rulers, receiving favors in return. This symbolic woman is none other than the false religions of the world. She is a major part of the antichrist.—Revelation 18:2, 3; James 4:4.

The Antichrist ‘Tickles Ears’
Besides rejecting Bible truth, many so-called Christians have renounced Bible standards of conduct in favor of popular morality. God’s Word foretold this development, saying: “There will be a period of time when they [people professing to serve God] will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled.” (2 Timothy 4:3) These religious frauds are also described as “false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.” The Bible goes on to say: “Their end shall be according to their works.”—2 Corinthians 11:13-15.

Their works include “loose conduct,” which is a brazen disregard for high moral principles. (2 Peter 2:1-3, 12-14) Do we not see an increasing number of religious leaders and their followers adopting—or at least condoning—unchristian practices, such as homosexuality and sex outside of marriage? Please take a moment to compare these widely accepted views and lifestyles with what the Bible states at Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26, 27; 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10; Hebrews 13:4; and Jude 7.

“Test the Inspired Expressions”
In view of the foregoing, we should heed the apostle John’s words not to take our religious beliefs lightly or for granted. “Do not believe every inspired expression,” he warns, “but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world.”—1 John 4:1.

Consider the good example of certain “noble-minded” people who lived in the city of Beroea in the first century. They “received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things [spoken by Paul and Silas] were so.” (Acts 17:10, 11) Yes, while eager to learn, the Beroeans made sure that what they heard and accepted was firmly rooted in the Scriptures.

Today, too, genuine Christians are not influenced by the ebb and flow of popular views but cling firmly to Bible truth. Wrote the apostle Paul: “This is what I continue praying, that your love may abound yet more and more with accurate knowledge and full discernment.”—Philippians 1:9.

If you have not already done so, make it your aim to acquire “accurate knowledge and full discernment” by learning what the Bible really teaches. Those who imitate the Beroeans are not deceived by the “counterfeit words” of antichrists. (2 Peter 2:3) Instead, they are set free by the spiritual truth of the real Christ and his true followers.—John 8:32, 36.

I looked over the thread, I didn't see anyone mention William except me... I saw a Prince Charles post...


What makes you think its Charles and not William?

Also is Obama of any importance?

Quoting above:

You are partial correct in that no one else mention Prince William but you; But as I mention Prince Charles as a possible candidate I further stated that I believe the house of Windsor (The British Monarchy) had some significance to also consider.

Suggesting that if its not Prince Charles, then possibly his lineage, (Prince William/Prince Harry)

Again this is all speculation/conjecture, as the Bible is very clear no one will actually know who the A/C is until his appointed time.

Is one of the characteristics of the AC supposed to be good looking? Because all Williams life he has been marveled for his looks.

Also the British public want William as King instead of his dad..

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To everyone:

I must confess to you all, that I may have errored when I stated this (below)in my earlier posts.

Pope - False Prophet
Who is destroyed by the Beast (The Anti-Christ) sometime during the Great Tribulation! and therefore can not be the
Anti-Christ as some are claiming

Now before you leave or curse me, it is important to note, Why I stated what I did, the way I did!

Sound reasoning led me to the conclusion, that if the Apostate/Harlot Church mention in Revelation 17 is in fact the Catholic Church, as many others before me also believe, then the leader must also be the false Prophet, spoken of in the book of Revelations.
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But here is the dilemma which must be asked, and examined further by all of us!

If the Pope is the A/C which I do not personally believe, then how is it possible that the Pope would eventually betray the apostate Church which helped him into power???

Likewise, if the Pope turns out to be the False Prophet, as many others claim, (which I still believe!)then how is it he(The Pope)can betray the apostate Church?

And finally if the A/C turns against this apostate church, how is it that the Pope(Given he is the False Prophet)be able to endure/withstand the A/C's betrayal of the apostate
Church?
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For as Jesus stated himself in Matthew 12:26, "And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?"

Given what Jesus stated above it would seem impossible for any of these three scenarios to occur; But given that three scenarios (The Pope is the A/C, the Pope is the False prophet, the Catholic Church is the Apostate Church) as many Christians if not most(myself included) believe then how is this possible???

The Bible is not specific enough for us to discern this outright, which leads many (again myself included)to speculation,(My admitted mistake above!)

Does this suggest that Gods word (The Bible) is at fault? Certainly not! I believe God in his all of his wisdom will reveal these things to those who earnestly seek him out, in God's own good time, here is where our faith must kick in, beyond our own understanding.

So again I apologize to all, for as I have said earlier I do not profess to know all things, for only God alone can know all things.

I hope, that everyone who reads this will understand that it was never my intent to fool or mislead anyone; for as you can plainly see I am admitting to my error.

I understand there will be those would can't read to understand what I have just said here, and will try as they might to find further fault with me, but I have already reconciled myself with the Lord.

In Conclusion, I would also just like to add for the record that although I willfully admit to my error, there are those here who do not admit to thier! and although I errored, my error in no way changes the course of the final outcome. The Pope still can not be the A/C, because that would mean we are all wrong in interpreting God's word, which I believe is not the case, as it is evident that the holy spirit has already clearly identified the False Prophet and end-times apostate Church.

Even So, Praise God!

That's me, above!!!

I really hate typing on here, with all of their servers problems.

I don't know what else to say folks, except I highly encourage everyone to pray and ask Jesus Christ for his continued guidance.

Search on google for: "Pope and upside down cross"

Don't know what else to say!!!

God Bless, and Peace to all,

Respectfully, Mr Mike

Mike,

have you heard that "if it were possible, even the elect would be deceived" ?


Now, you know how many elects there are?

7.000. Thats 1 in a million.

Ok, now, can you even conceive of a plot so genial by Satan that 999.999 out of 1.000.000 will fall for it?



This is just to put in perspective the ridiculousness of people saying that

"Derp, the pope is the antichrist"

"Derp, obama is the antichrist"

Now, seriously, if thats Satan plan to deceive people, do you think it would deceive 999.999 out of a 1.000.000 ?



999.999 out of 1.000.000 will not be able to see anything, until the 1's in a million start doing what they were bid to do.

All those shills and people paid to pull people away from the truth? Do you think they know the truth? They are in the 999.999 bunch too.

Unless you dont believe 100% on the Bible.

EVEN THE FALSE PROPHET will be deceived.

Only the "frog like" spirits coming out of their mouths and the elect will know the truth! Hah!


Tell me what do are your doubts and I will tell you what is reasonable to expect as a feasible deception design that would foll 999.999 of 1.000.000 and what is not.

You are making confusing questions Mike.

The questions you are asking will not necessarily lead to the truth of this "investigation" :D


Have you heard of this "lukewarm christians"? Not cold, nor hot, that God said he will spit out?

Or have you heard about "Salt" in the Bible, the meaning of it?


People who are just lukewarm, they know the basic: Salvation on the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, who died to redeem us from our sins.

But do you think that just knowing that will save people?

Or saying "Jesus please, save me?" if these people are not really following his teachings, walking on his steps?

If one is an hypocrite, sin by day, pray by night, doesnt he make the whole thing his bitch? Thats certainly not God's intention.

Jesus explain that a few times in different ways. "If you love me,keep my commandments",

Just saying it is not the same thing as believing in it, having faith in it, knowing it in your heart.


Is it clear to you what the purpose of the latter day deceptions are? What is God's intention?


He wants to know who are the ones who really learned something in this life. Those who really got the point across. That all those words on the Bible were not meaningless.

Now, if it wasnt obvious enough.
the Lord in different passages of the Bible, downright tell people the purpose of the parables. Its to not let bad people in, to not let those who dont deserve it, fake and dissimulate their way in.

Its not simply playing the rules, lawyering your way in.

Its not just about understanding the moral of the story by reading a short version of it. They dont want anybody cheating on the exams.

The deceptions that are scripted are our exams. Most people already fail by not realizing a test is going on and that the clock is ticking. For many people it will too late.

So Satan, and company on behalf of God Almighty with God's authorization, will make a cheating-proof exam for the humans of this earth.

Now, thats the 999.999 out 1.000.000 would not have a chance, even 100% would fail the test, if he hadnt prepared 7.000 "good students" to help those people out in the latter days.

There are many new perspectives that could arise from the prophecies.


The whole head wound thing could be a false media attempt at confiscating firearms, only to learn a few weeks later that it was a hoax, and the politician survived. Likely never being shot because of special effects on television and people's belief in the media.


Another thing is that if there is ever a form of global Socialism over the Earth, the political figures would have idols of themselves and statues everywhere, and would be tributed as having divinity. A few examples would be a Pharoah or atheist countries where they worship their leaders like N. Korea.

You, bring some valid points that I understand, but I can not elaborate further without the word of God as reference, as doing so would be dangerous; for there are many things written within the Bible that requires our faith.

That being said, I would just like to speculate that it is feasible to believe that the Pope being the False Prophet
(as I still believe)could still turn against his own apostate church at some point in time.(Mid-Tribulation!)

This would not necessarily mean that the False Prophet would
turn against the A/C, or that either would turn against the other; but does suggests the remote possibility that the Pope will simply be a false prophet to his own apostate church as well.


Regards,