Why the North Korean missile launch is different this time and some history of North Korea. | |
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Chrit User ID: 27088294 United States 04/13/2013 05:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is a good read, I was looking for NK estimated fuel numbers when I found it. But this does address most everything I have been quietly watching that the news does not talk loudly about. In theory NK only has a couple of weeks of fuel tops if a war breaks out and china is making it even tighter by the day. Snip; “Kim knows that the bottom line is that the only thing China fears more than a nuclear North Korea is a collapsed North Korea” and is likely banking on Beijing remaining its loyal benefactor, said Melissa Hanham, an East Asia security analyst at the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies in Monterey. China would be inundated with North Korean refugees fleeing a conflict, Hanham said, and would do anything necessary to avoid drawing U.S. forces into the region to fulfill treaty obligations to defend South Korea. China has reduced fuel shipments to North Korea in the past month, Hanham noted, and Chinese trade figures released Thursday showed a marked drop in goods bought from the impoverished country that relies heavily on Beijing’s trade and aid. [link to www.latimes.com] Now "officially" what we are agreeing on with china so far from April 13 2013. Snip; The United States and China committed Saturday to a process aimed at ridding North Korea of its nuclear weapons, with the Obama administration gaining at least the rhetorical support of the only government that can exert significant influence over the reclusive North. The question now is whether Beijing will make good on its pledge to uphold "peace and stability" and work with Washington on achieving the goal of a nuclear-free Korean peninsula. [link to www.stripes.com] When you pull up the Kim family tree, there is no one left to take control of the government if something happens to him. It is looking like we were giving the green light for china to do whatever they want if this started to escalate anymore. There is no way they will let NK military leaders fight it out amongst themselves to control NK if something happens to Kimmy. Keep an ear open everyone, the truth is in the shadows. Last Edited by Chrit on 04/13/2013 05:46 PM I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw. We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36056064 Canada 04/13/2013 05:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | my take on the whole fiasco There is something in the background, very likely that there is some sort of unsrest or social backlash/internal whispers about "lil kim's" ability to run NK that would cause them to ratchet up their rhetoric to this level they will launch, it will fissle or Japan will shoot it out of the sky and that will be the end of that little fiasco, I don;t beleive that NK army is willing and ready to acutally die for the "cause" this time around. More likely they will toss him out and start moving towards a more free society. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37991422 Greece 04/13/2013 05:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Actions speak louder than words when it comes to China. They will support North Korea no matter what. They are heavily invested in North Korea. They have joint agreements to develop North Korea's natural resources, oil in the Bonhai Sea, rare earth metals and uranium. They are not walking away from that or letting anyone else in. They also will not allow Kim's regime to fall and make those assets unavailable to them. "Yet despite their frustration with Pyongyang, however, investigations in Dandong by The Sunday Telegraph last week suggest that the Chinese still prefer the devil they know. North Korea, even with its endless bluster and war threats, remains a country with which it can work, and represents a crucial buffer against what China sees as an American attempt to "encircle" it. If the regime collapsed, China would either be forced to take over the running of the country, or risk the possibility that it is subsumed into South Korea, bringing pro-western forces right to the Chinese border. Which is why, on a single morning last week at the main branch of the Bank of Dandong, 11 people had no difficulty in transferring money from within China to the capital of North Korea despite the new UN sanctions. While Kwangson bank may have lost its branch office, it is now possible instead to send money through this smaller local, but still state-run, bank. Inside the branch, Wu Junhong, an assistant to the manager, held up a completed transfer slip. "Look," she said, "We just sent across €15,000 to Pyongyang - it's that easy. "It takes one day, and you can send as much money as you like, there is no upper limit. And we offer five different currency options: dollars, euros, yen, Korean won and Chinese yuan." "One of the main effects of the UN sanctions regime has been to authorise weapons seizures, but that will remain a largely ineffective measure until the Chinese implement it," said a former Western diplomat. At the Bank of Dandong, Mrs Wu laughed at the suggestion that the sanctions might have stopped the flow of money. "How is that possible?" she asked. "Business is still going on. We have lots of people every day." [link to www.telegraph.co.uk] |
Vytautas User ID: 36251711 Lithuania 04/13/2013 05:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | my take on the whole fiasco Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36056064 There is something in the background, very likely that there is some sort of unsrest or social backlash/internal whispers about "lil kim's" ability to run NK that would cause them to ratchet up their rhetoric to this level they will launch, it will fissle or Japan will shoot it out of the sky and that will be the end of that little fiasco, I don;t beleive that NK army is willing and ready to acutally die for the "cause" this time around. More likely they will toss him out and start moving towards a more free society. Kim was little bit angry about USA nuclear treats and because of successful nuke tests was no so afraid as usual. Of course western bullshit media skipped all that dirty part and claimed that Kim just had PMS so started talking like this. kk |
Vytautas User ID: 36251711 Lithuania 04/13/2013 06:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It WAS plan that Soviets invade North and USA South, but because of continuously bad weather and then pour that part of Asia roads Soviets arrived way after war and after USA invaded their part with sea landings to take their gift. kk |
pmb1 User ID: 37718975 United States 04/13/2013 06:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just saying that if #4 was to happen and Japan or the US shoots it down. If that thing happens to have a nuclear war head on it what will happen when we hit it?? Also what if it has an EMP based war head? Would we set it off if we hit it?? |
Vytautas User ID: 36251711 Lithuania 04/13/2013 06:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just saying that if #4 was to happen and Japan or the US shoots it down. If that thing happens to have a nuclear war head on it what will happen when we hit it?? Also what if it has an EMP based war head? Would we set it off if we hit it?? Quoting: pmb1 It will explode. like fireworks and ~5 cm size parts sink into water. Mainstream bullshit media will say that unnamed official said that it was nuke inside and that will become main dogma of new religion for fanatics going to die in Korea. kk |
SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 04/13/2013 06:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just saying that if #4 was to happen and Japan or the US shoots it down. If that thing happens to have a nuclear war head on it what will happen when we hit it?? Also what if it has an EMP based war head? Would we set it off if we hit it?? Quoting: pmb1 IF it did, which it doesn't...the odds of anything detonating anything, even an EMP are probably a million to one against. It's one of the best ways to stop a nuclear missile from exploding, blow it up with another missile, anti-missile missile. Any nuclear "warhead" is very sophisticated, and takes a fairly delecate and complicated chain of events to make work, critical timing and trigger devices etc etc...blowing them out of the sky will almost always cause them to break and fail. You would have the radioactive material to deal with after, but that is a minuscule problem when compared to a nuclear blast. ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 04/13/2013 06:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just saying that if #4 was to happen and Japan or the US shoots it down. If that thing happens to have a nuclear war head on it what will happen when we hit it?? Also what if it has an EMP based war head? Would we set it off if we hit it?? Quoting: pmb1 It will explode. like fireworks and ~5 cm size parts sink into water. Mainstream bullshit media will say that unnamed official said that it was nuke inside and that will become main dogma of new religion for fanatics going to die in Korea. The Nukerists....or maybe nukleacs?....LOL! ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 37971074 Italy 04/13/2013 06:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Firing the missile(s) after the Monday parade would be good for them. It would be surprising since almost everyone expects the launch on Monday at the latest and it could avoid drama if the launch fails. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens AFTER the parade. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36542417 United States 04/13/2013 06:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good read SHR, But I don't think you should necessarily be a leading authority on North Korea, what they're capable of, and what the world expects of them. That being said we really know nothing about them. I know not where you get your intel, and it's probably none of my business, but for you to say the intelligence communities don't know is mildly asinine. None the less, good read. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37991422 Greece 04/13/2013 06:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In March, as the North Korean crisis began to heat up, President Obama ordered another 14 interceptors be sent to Greely, bringing its arsenal to 44 from 2017. "If all it has to worry about is a single missile coming at it, chance it could kill it. If you fire six missiles at one time... and if one gets through, your whole day is ruined.... The problem is sooner or later North Korea will improve its missile ranges, so the question you have to ask is will our anti-missile capabilities make sufficient progress so it could work against a more robust threat?" Sigal said. "What we've got at Greely is of some limited utility. It's better than nothing," he said. [link to news.yahoo.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37971414 Egypt 04/13/2013 06:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First of all Kim Un isn't going to be nuking anyone with an atomic warhead on any missile, they don't have the ability to do that, regardless of what any "intelligence" agency is speculating about. Even IF they could, which they cannot, I seriously doubt anyone, even the crazyass North Koreans are in the mood for suicide anytime soon, they just aren't that stupid. They also aren't going to EMP'ing anyone or using any other sort of exotic weapons, so you can forget the hyped up bullshit, we all know that kind of crap never happens anyway. Quoting: SHR Very impressed with that summary. I think Option 4 that US would shoot down a missile is out of the question. Japan would do it, if it came near them, as you don't know where their junk might land. I somehow think Option 2 is more likely. what a show all this is. 5*'s OP Last Edited by SHR on 04/13/2013 07:07 PM |
SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 04/13/2013 07:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good read SHR, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36542417 But I don't think you should necessarily be a leading authority on North Korea, what they're capable of, and what the world expects of them. That being said we really know nothing about them. I know not where you get your intel, and it's probably none of my business, but for you to say the intelligence communities don't know is mildly asinine. None the less, good read. I agree...no one on earth is a "leading authority" on all those things. Also didn't say intel agencies didn't know, I said "what they are saying".... Last Edited by SHR on 04/13/2013 07:09 PM ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37971414 Egypt 04/13/2013 07:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good read SHR, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36542417 But I don't think you should necessarily be a leading authority on North Korea, what they're capable of, and what the world expects of them. That being said we really know nothing about them. I know not where you get your intel, and it's probably none of my business, but for you to say the intelligence communities don't know is mildly asinine. None the less, good read. I agree...no one on earth is a "leading authority" on all those things. Also didn't say intel agencies didn't know, I said "what they are saying".... It's interesting what the intel is saying, and what then US Officials say and backtrack on the intel reports. Should tell us all something. This whole situation is VERY interesting to say the least but you nailed it in your summary imo. |
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RoXY User ID: 33855101 Netherlands 04/13/2013 07:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of my closets friends - a real soulmate - returned from Seoul this week after a month stay in the S-Korean capital, and she said that nobody there is making a big issue of the N-Korean threats. It's business as usual to them. If CNN and all the other alphabet soup newscasters would put only 10% of the time they spend on their 'N-Korea threat news' into explaining the world's economic situation... Last Edited by RoXY on 04/13/2013 07:14 PM Fabulous tracks (1988-2013) [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] Pure Happiness Thread: FEEL GOOD !!! # FOUR (4) - & more - MINUTES of PURE HAPPINESS !!! # (Videos) Good Food Thread: MONSANTO # (GMO) FOOD 4 THOUGHT - Know What You Eat # (Ongoing Videos & Articles) Watch This! Thread: WATCH THIS !!! # An Ongoing, Carefully Selected Collection of MUST SEE VIDEOS Big Brother Thread: BIG BROTHER in the age of INTERNET # (Ongoing - Links, Articles & Videos) Economy Thread: THE ECONOMY & YOU # (Daily Updated Videos & Articles) UFOs Thread: UFO PHOTOS (1200+) # World UFO Photo Gallery + Ongoing Links, Articles & Videos The Better You Look, The More You See... Educate Yourself! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37971414 Egypt 04/13/2013 07:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of my closets friends - a real soulmate - returned from Seoul this week after a month stay in the S-Korean capital, and she said that nobody there is making a big issue of the N-Korean threats. Quoting: RoXY It's business as usual to them. If CNN and all the other alphabet soup newscasters would put only 10% of the time they spend on their 'N-Korea threat news' into explaining the world's economic situation... ^^ this I'm sure most SK's aren't even bothered, it's the same saber rattling as usual. Just like me hearing about my neighbors conflicts. But it's just a great distraction you know...never mind your inflation, rising prices, unemployment etc... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37991422 Greece 04/13/2013 07:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of my closets friends - a real soulmate - returned from Seoul this week after a month stay in the S-Korean capital, and she said that nobody there is making a big issue of the N-Korean threats. Quoting: RoXY It's business as usual to them. If CNN and all the other alphabet soup newscasters would put only 10% of the time they spend on their 'N-Korea threat news' into explaining the world's economic situation... ^^ this I'm sure most SK's aren't even bothered, it's the same saber rattling as usual. Just like me hearing about my neighbors conflicts. But it's just a great distraction you know...never mind your inflation, rising prices, unemployment etc... What are they going to do? Flee en masse? It's going to be business as usual until a missile goes off or an invasion happens. Many foreigners quietly left. Keep in mind it was business as usual in Hiroshima up until the bomb dropped. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 37971414 Egypt 04/13/2013 07:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One of my closets friends - a real soulmate - returned from Seoul this week after a month stay in the S-Korean capital, and she said that nobody there is making a big issue of the N-Korean threats. Quoting: RoXY It's business as usual to them. If CNN and all the other alphabet soup newscasters would put only 10% of the time they spend on their 'N-Korea threat news' into explaining the world's economic situation... ^^ this I'm sure most SK's aren't even bothered, it's the same saber rattling as usual. Just like me hearing about my neighbors conflicts. But it's just a great distraction you know...never mind your inflation, rising prices, unemployment etc... What are they going to do? Flee en masse? It's going to be business as usual until a missile goes off or an invasion happens. Many foreigners quietly left. Keep in mind it was business as usual in Hiroshima up until the bomb dropped. If a nuke or missile gets dropped on them hitting target or any US territory it's a CIA/Mossad hit. I bet my ass on it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33726938 United States 04/13/2013 07:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good read SHR, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36542417 But I don't think you should necessarily be a leading authority on North Korea, what they're capable of, and what the world expects of them. That being said we really know nothing about them. I know not where you get your intel, and it's probably none of my business, but for you to say the intelligence communities don't know is mildly asinine. None the less, good read. I agree...no one on earth is a "leading authority" on all those things. Also didn't say intel agencies didn't know, I said "what they are saying".... Then my bad SHR. I passed this article to a few friends who were asking me what is going on with the NK stink lately Thanks- Trav |
RoXY User ID: 33855101 Netherlands 04/13/2013 07:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What are they going to do? Flee en masse? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37991422 It's going to be business as usual until a missile goes off or an invasion happens. Many foreigners quietly left. Keep in mind it was business as usual in Hiroshima up until the bomb dropped. bs, no ex-pads who didn't plan to leave already, left S-Korea. And comparing this with Hiroshima makes me wonder if you really want to understand this issue, or just want to add some more doom & gloom because you like to see you're post being quoted... Fabulous tracks (1988-2013) [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] Pure Happiness Thread: FEEL GOOD !!! # FOUR (4) - & more - MINUTES of PURE HAPPINESS !!! # (Videos) Good Food Thread: MONSANTO # (GMO) FOOD 4 THOUGHT - Know What You Eat # (Ongoing Videos & Articles) Watch This! Thread: WATCH THIS !!! # An Ongoing, Carefully Selected Collection of MUST SEE VIDEOS Big Brother Thread: BIG BROTHER in the age of INTERNET # (Ongoing - Links, Articles & Videos) Economy Thread: THE ECONOMY & YOU # (Daily Updated Videos & Articles) UFOs Thread: UFO PHOTOS (1200+) # World UFO Photo Gallery + Ongoing Links, Articles & Videos The Better You Look, The More You See... Educate Yourself! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37971414 Egypt 04/13/2013 08:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What are they going to do? Flee en masse? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37991422 It's going to be business as usual until a missile goes off or an invasion happens. Many foreigners quietly left. Keep in mind it was business as usual in Hiroshima up until the bomb dropped. bs, no ex-pads who didn't plan to leave already, left S-Korea. And comparing this with Hiroshima makes me wonder if you really want to understand this issue, or just want to add some more doom & gloom because you like to see you're post being quoted... Expats leave only on company order - embassy has not issued evacuation. Neither have I heard of any expat companies issuing evacuations. That's the current situation. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 37991422 Greece 04/13/2013 08:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What are they going to do? Flee en masse? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37991422 It's going to be business as usual until a missile goes off or an invasion happens. Many foreigners quietly left. Keep in mind it was business as usual in Hiroshima up until the bomb dropped. bs, no ex-pads who didn't plan to leave already, left S-Korea. And comparing this with Hiroshima makes me wonder if you really want to understand this issue, or just want to add some more doom & gloom because you like to see you're post being quoted... How would you know? South Korea give you a list of who left personally? Try reading some news. The comparison to Hiroshima is an appropriate one. It's a good analogy. It's what happens in these situations. It's a matter of being realistic. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 37971414 Egypt 04/13/2013 08:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What are they going to do? Flee en masse? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37991422 It's going to be business as usual until a missile goes off or an invasion happens. Many foreigners quietly left. Keep in mind it was business as usual in Hiroshima up until the bomb dropped. bs, no ex-pads who didn't plan to leave already, left S-Korea. And comparing this with Hiroshima makes me wonder if you really want to understand this issue, or just want to add some more doom & gloom because you like to see you're post being quoted... How would you know? South Korea give you a list of who left personally? Try reading some news. The comparison to Hiroshima is an appropriate one. It's a good analogy. It's what happens in these situations. It's a matter of being realistic. Show the news then and do you have a list of companies/expats who were evacuated? so far nobody is evacuating their staff, it's business as usual til now. unless of course some jewish people were given a warning...maybe you can provide the names/companies. |
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