Even the elect will be deceived in the Last Days... (Opinions)

I can already tell you that it is! I was born in Arizona where these are all over...my dad even has a bunch of these Kachina Dolls in his home. Handmade by the Hopi.

You cannot turn scripture against itself. That is what you do, and that is wrong. Men far brighter than you had the spirit of God in them. Even Paul was picked by Christ on the road to Damascus. Who are you to deny his teachings and harmony in the scripture?

a rose is always right

do you know about the Rose of the World?

"The Rose of the World sees its surreligiosity and Interreligiosity in the reunification of Christian faiths and in the further amalgamation of all religions of Light in order to focus their combined energies on fostering humanity's spiritual growth and on spiritualizing nature. Religious exclusivity will not only be foreign to its followers, it will be impossible. Co-belief with all peoples in their highest ideals—that is what its wisdom will teach.
The structure of the Rose of the World will therefore suggest a series of concentric circles. No followers of any right-hand religion should be considered outside the global church. Those who have not yet reached an awareness of surreligious unity will occupy the outer circles; the middle circles will be composed of the less active and creative of the Rose of the World's followers, the inner circles will be for those who have equated the meaning of their life with conscious and free divine creative work.
May a Christian enter a Buddhist temple with reverence and respect. Eastern peoples, separated from the centers of Christianity by deserts and mountain ranges, have over thousands of years intuited through the wisdom of their teachers the truth about different regions of the heavens. Glimmering through the smoke of incense are statues of the high guardians of other worlds and the great messengers who spoke to people of those worlds. Few Western people have had contact with those worlds. May the knowledge preserved in the East enrich their minds and souls.
May a Muslim enter a Hindu temple with a peaceful, pure, and solemn feeling. Those are not false gods that gaze on them there, but provisional images of great spirits perceived and passionately loved by the peoples of India. Other nations should accept testimony about them with joy and trust.
May an orthodox follower of Shinto not pass by the nondescript building of a synagogue with disdain or indifference. There, another great people that has enriched humanity with profound treasures preserves their knowledge of those truths through which the spiritual world revealed itself to them and no one else."

[link to www.roseofworld.org]

Jeremiah 3:14 "Return, faithless people," declares the LORD, "for I am your husband. I will choose you--one from a town and two from a clan--and bring you to Zion.

Hosea 2:16 "In that day," declares the LORD, "you will call me 'my husband'; you will no longer call me 'my master.'

Hosea 2:19 I will betroth you to me forever; I will betroth you in righteousness and justice, in love and compassion.

I can already tell you that it is! I was born in Arizona where these are all over...my dad even has a bunch of these Kachina Dolls in his home. Handmade by the Hopi.

I think there's a difference between [the Law being engraved upon our heart] and [obeying it as a checklist of do's and don'ts in order to be saved]

Why do you/we have to make it all about keeping commandments to the letter? Haven't you figured out we can't?

In Galatians, Paul wrote about how we are NOT to obey the Law. If we try, we lose our salvation (Galatians 5:1-6).

maybe change really does come from recognizing what is change within mySELF

I AM accepting of all religions because the religious within mySELF are evolved to be ALL inclusive

for this is the way in which the infinite one speaks and notice the is the way in which I AM speaking

if you have accepted this Love from the Infinite Self then welcome to the best show in town for u truly are inheriting the earth right now

I'm going to contest this, actually, as the key is verse 4: 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are *justified* by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Where there are three, there is divinity.

She is unbound.

I can already tell you that it is! I was born in Arizona where these are all over...my dad even has a bunch of these Kachina Dolls in his home. Handmade by the Hopi.

the Kachina appeared to me in a dream. There was an alter,and we were placing things on it.

-snip-
The fig is the cursed fruit. It is of the tree of knowledge. It would not grow for the perfect man, and he is telling us to do the same to the fig tree. The fact that the coming of the Son of Man is prior to the fig tree bearing fruit is his intent to take the flock prior to it bearing it.

I've put this to a lot of thought. Who are the elect and how exactly will they be deceived? What constitutes an elect person? And then how will these people, obviously in some kind of respected hierarchy of sorts, be deceived in the Last Days?

A few ideas for me have been:

1) False flag alien ships that come to "save us" but which really take us to labor/indoctrination/slaughter camps.

2) That the Church of Christ itself will be so eaten from within because the Christian Right (I've noticed this as a Christian Libertarian myself) is OBSESSED with anger, rancor, the "law", gun-play, etc. I was a big part of that for years, but now I see the idiocy in it - the true followers of Christ need no weapon. They need no food either. Their spirit is their weapon and "manna" is their food(?). REMEMBER, THEORIES.

3) Somehow the Pope will become a world leader that will somehow turn us from self-destruction and a world government will be organized under his reign. Then he'll be killed and the new head will be the anti-Christ. Those who worshipped the first will now be under subjection to the second.

THOUGHTS?

You're right, we cannot turn Scripture against itself. But Paul's words are not Scripture

Jesus warned me to not believe anyone who claims to see him secretly in the desert. Paul claimed just that.

Jesus warned me to not listen to the Pharisees' teachings. Paul is a Pharisee.

I've put this to a lot of thought. Who are the elect and how exactly will they be deceived? What constitutes an elect person? And then how will these people, obviously in some kind of respected hierarchy of sorts, be deceived in the Last Days?

A few ideas for me have been:

1) False flag alien ships that come to "save us" but which really take us to labor/indoctrination/slaughter camps.

2) That the Church of Christ itself will be so eaten from within because the Christian Right (I've noticed this as a Christian Libertarian myself) is OBSESSED with anger, rancor, the "law", gun-play, etc. I was a big part of that for years, but now I see the idiocy in it - the true followers of Christ need no weapon. They need no food either. Their spirit is their weapon and "manna" is their food(?). REMEMBER, THEORIES.

3) Somehow the Pope will become a world leader that will somehow turn us from self-destruction and a world government will be organized under his reign. Then he'll be killed and the new head will be the anti-Christ. Those who worshipped the first will now be under subjection to the s

THOUGHTS?

The bride and groom analogy has always interested me because it implies a level of equality between us and God.

Both very good answers. I feel like it comes from a rotting within the Church of Christ (which emcompasses ALL).

Just like in the days of the Jesus when he walked among the Jews, the Christians will be SOOOOOOOO caught up in the law, and what the Bible says, and what their pastor says, that they will entirely miss the message of Jesus Christ - that His Spirit is with us always. We know WITHIN what's right and wrong...and when we follow that path, then He reveals Himself.

This is the one I'd put the money on, if I had any. :)

Really? You don't see this as Christ's blood covenant with us via the cross?

thanks with love I was not externally aware of this group



I in Joy to see others dancing to the same BEAT

You touch on something here that has presented it's self to me as well.

When Adam and Eve knew they were naked, they chose fig leaves...

If anyone has ever had to pick figs, they you KNOW that fig leaves have small hairs onthem that prick you and the sap will burn your skin if you get enough on you...

I can not think of a more 'self destructive'thing to do that to cover your most private parts with these leaves...

However in the vien of reasoning above...Adam and Eve covered themselves with the leaves of the tree from which they had just been eating...the tree of Knowledge...eh?

Covering themselves in the very sin(covering themselves with death)of which they had just partaken of....

God, when he saw them, knew exactly where they had been shopping for clothes...not victoria secret, but 'satan's secret'...stained forever more.

I thank the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit for my new wardrobe...that I am clothed in His righteousness, that I have been given the oil of Joy, that I bear the fruit of the Spirit...

The Spirit and the Bride say COME, Lord Jesus, come.

ElectricKoolaidAcidTest...

Tom Wolfe writes like a BEAST but his mom sure dresses him funny!

Maybe you will take heed of this. From bible.cc KJV Revelation 22:19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

I disagree with what you are saying. Christians should know God's word. Most don't. We DON'T know WITHIN what's right - that's why we need Jesus. We read his word and follow him, THEN we will know what is right. He had to come to earth to TELL us. WE didn't know. Doctrine IS important. Pastors (most of them) have it wrong though. Only a few are discerning and know what scripture says.

You touch on something here that has presented it's self to me as well.

When Adam and Eve knew they were naked, they chose fig leaves...

If anyone has ever had to pick figs, they you KNOW that fig leaves have small hairs onthem that prick you and the sap will burn your skin if you get enough on you...

I can not think of a more 'self destructive'thing to do that to cover your most private parts with these leaves...

However in the vien of reasoning above...Adam and Eve covered themselves with the leaves of the tree from which they had just been eating...the tree of Knowledge...eh?

Covering themselves in the very sin(covering themselves with death)of which they had just partaken of....

God, when he saw them, knew exactly where they had been shopping for clothes...not victoria secret, but 'satan's secret'...stained forever more.

I thank the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit for my new wardrobe...that I am clothed in His righteousness, that I have been given the oil of Joy, that I bear the fruit of the Spirit...

The Spirit and the Bride say COME, Lord Jesus, come.