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A Drug Recall That Should Frighten Us All About The FDA

 
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Pay attention, as I can’t say this seriously enough. Last week, the FDA took a drug off the market, and the reasons should send shivers of fear down the backs of consumers, investors, generic drug companies – and the FDA.

The FDA announced last week that the 300mg generic version of Wellbutrin XL manufactured by Impax Laboratories and marketed by Teva Pharmaceuticals was being recalled because it did not work. And this wasn’t just a problem with one batch – this is a problem that has been going on with this particular drug for four or five years, and the FDA did everything it could to ignore it.

The FDA apparently approved this drug – and others like it – without testing it. The FDA just assumed if one dosage strength the drug companies submitted for approval works, then the other higher dosages work fine also. With this generic, American consumers became the FDA’s guinea pigs to see if the FDA’s assumption was right. It wasn’t.

In December 2006, the first generic versions of the popular anti-depressant Wellbutrin XL were approved by the FDA. The drug comes in two dosage strengths, 150 milligrams and 300mg. The 300mg dose is generally used for patients with more severe depression and anxiety and patients who don’t respond to the lower dose. The FDA approved generic versions of both dosage strengths from a few generic drug companies: Teva Pharmaceuticals (manufactured by Impax Laboratories and marketed by Teva Pharmaceuticals), Anchen, Actavis, Watson Pharmaceuticals and Mylan Pharmaceuticals. Almost immediately, the FDA started receiving reports from patients that claimed the 300mg dose was being associated with side effects and reduced efficacy.

The People’s Pharmacy, a well-known syndicated radio and newspaper columnist husband and wife team, notified the FDA that hundreds of patients had logged their own complaints of side effects with the then-recently approved generic version of Wellbutrin XL. The FDA brushed off the People’s Pharmacy and others that raised the issue, stating that they had faith that the drugs were equivalent and that perhaps the patients, who had mental disease, were more prone to perceived problems with a change in the medication than others. This was seen by many as essentially telling patients “it’s all in their head.” After several more years and public outcry, the FDA was forced to take action.

Instead of doing its own study on the drug, the FDA asked the drug maker to conduct a study to determine whether the generic drug was equivalent to the brand. The FDA, in their recent press release, claims that Teva started the trial but later abandoned it because of slow patient enrollment. It was already 2010, several years after knowing there was a problem, the FDA was forced to do its own study.

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Fuck them!
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The wall of text doesn't say anything about what side effects patients actually experienced.

Wellbutrin has the 'suicidal' side effect among others generic or not.
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this is a big deal. people with depression and anxiety are lied to and poisoned. this is a vulnerable population - you know, not feeling their best - then wham! gotcha. and it's called medication management of mental illness. sick.

let's go for mental wellness and say FUCK IT to the pharmaceutical criminals.
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Fuck them!
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Happy I don't do drugs. hf
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Oh yes, the magical wellbutrin.

I was put on that for nerves and almost died from violent episodes of vomiting daily.

Then another time I wanted to quit smoking. Dr gave me Rx said it would help. Zyban? I think.
Anyway, I almost died from that, come to find out it was WELBUTRIN in disguise.

Some Dr tried recently to push it on my husband. I dumped them down the toilet and demanded something else for him.

I hope they bring a class action lawsuit, I will jump on that wagon for sure.

PS. I know I shouldn't have dumped them in the toilet. I don't know why I did that.

Last Edited by natasha77 on 07/06/2013 11:46 AM
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OP, this is good information and people should know what goes on, yet in this day and age when almost anyone can research the FDA, drugs and the whole medical establishment, it doesn't take much research to know that drugs to treat depression is is likely to give the patient a lifetime of woe.

Nutrition, vitamins, exercise, sunlight, Vitamin D, .....the side effects of anti depressants alone should send sane people running for cover.

Depression is real, people need treatment, yet drug therapy is a poor excuse for not bothering to get to the root of the problem and solving the issue.

Your Dr. or even your Vet, is trained to prescribe drugs, and administer vaccines. The side effects will have you back in their offices for more drugs. (until you die). Not knocking Dr.'s but their training. I guess you could add dentists in who tell you mercury is safe as well as fluoride.

This seems to be a timeline of stubborn people who refuse to see what is in front of their eyes and are having a most difficult time waking up.

At this rate I shudder to think what it will take to wake people up who have been snoozing this long.
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Generics contain unnamed components that even pharmacists can't find to reference...even they have no idea what is in generics they dispense. This is how they operate flying blind and this informational deep canyon doesn't phase them.
It's all based on TRUST with them.

I just got off the phone with a fantastically uncurious pharmacist.
I use one pharma and that is an eyedrop for glaucoma I've used since '94. ($114 for 1/8th tsp bottle 1 month)

Now that my insurance charges a penalty for brand name I then accepted the "new" generic. I thought the daily 6 hour dull headaches were sinus and the Blue Windows in my visual field were just a passing thing.

Pharmacist: "It must be you, nobody else is having problems"
Mind you based on ZERO information what their generic contains.

I went back to name brand/penalty and symptoms vanished within a day.

This is one small occasion among so many cumulative ones that fill me with helpless rage about this country.
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Agree this is good info to bring up for discussion and an important issue that applies to many generics, not just Wellbutrin...

For clarification, the excerpt quoted in your post refers to the recall happening "last week", but the linked article is from October 2012. Has there been a new development on the story?
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Here is 25% list for Wellbutrin XL so who can IMAGINE what side effects are from generic Wellbutrin:
Pancreatitis Severe
Muscle Problems that cause Abnormal Movement Severe
Heart Attack Severe
Abnormal Heart Rhythm Severe
Hepatitis Severe
Hepatitis caused by Drugs Severe
Erythema Multiforme Severe
Stevens-Johnson Syndrome Severe
Hallucination Severe
Seizures Severe
A Feeling of Restlessness with Inability to Sit Still Severe
Voluntary Movement Difficulty Severe
Abnormal Liver Function Tests Severe
Life Threatening Allergic Reaction Severe
Giant Hives Severe
Allergic Reaction caused by a Drug Severe
Syndrome of Inappropriate Antidiuretic Hormone Secretion Severe
Behaving with Excessive Cheerfulness and Activity Severe
Delusions Severe
Paranoia Severe
Mental Disorder with Loss of Normal Personality & Reality Severe
Suicidal Severe
Having Thoughts of Suicide Severe
Thoughts of Hurting or Killing Others Severe
Aggressive Behavior Less Severe
Feeling Anger Toward Something Less Severe
Problem Behavior Less Severe
Bleeding Not Related to Menstrual Period Less Severe
Sun-Sensitive Skin Less Severe
Feeling Faint Less Severe
Taste Problems Less Severe
Puffy Face from Water Retention Less Severe
Trouble Breathing Less Severe
Urination During the Night Less Severe
Panic Disorder Less Severe
False Sense of Well-Being

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Generics contain unnamed components that even pharmacists can't find to reference...even they have no idea what is in generics they dispense. This is how they operate flying blind and this informational deep canyon doesn't phase them.
It's all based on TRUST with them.

I just got off the phone with a fantastically uncurious pharmacist.
I use one pharma and that is an eyedrop for glaucoma I've used since '94. ($114 for 1/8th tsp bottle 1 month)

Now that my insurance charges a penalty for brand name I then accepted the "new" generic. I thought the daily 6 hour dull headaches were sinus and the Blue Windows in my visual field were just a passing thing.

Pharmacist: "It must be you, nobody else is having problems"
Mind you based on ZERO information what their generic contains.

I went back to name brand/penalty and symptoms vanished within a day.

This is one small occasion among so many cumulative ones that fill me with helpless rage about this country.
 Quoting: DawaSatso


Reading that just blew me away on two counts! I had no idea that the generics of drugs were different chemical makeups and had no clue people could face penalties for brand name drugs.
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Instead of doing its own study on the drug, the FDA asked the drug maker to conduct a study to determine whether the generic drug was equivalent to the brand. The FDA, in their recent press release, claims that Teva started the trial but later abandoned it because of slow patient enrollment. It was already 2010, several years after knowing there was a problem, the FDA was forced to do its own study.
 Quoting: Fhirinne


This story needs to go viral just because of this part above IMO!

Drug makers doing their own safety studies thats just a (Red Alert) if I ever heard one. It's on par with GLP Uncle stuff or posting without a link, it don't fly in the real world but these freaks seem to think it does.

Hell I've read reports of emails to and fro from the drug maker to the FDA about missing safety data concerning their drug, to which the drug maker replyed to the FDA saying we will get the missing data to you after the drug is put on the market and jaw dropping the FDA was fine about that.
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Instead of doing its own study on the drug, the FDA asked the drug maker to conduct a study to determine whether the generic drug was equivalent to the brand. The FDA, in their recent press release, claims that Teva started the trial but later abandoned it because of slow patient enrollment. It was already 2010, several years after knowing there was a problem, the FDA was forced to do its own study.
 Quoting: Fhirinne


This story needs to go viral just because of this part above IMO!

Drug makers doing their own safety studies thats just a (Red Alert) if I ever heard one. It's on par with GLP Uncle stuff or posting without a link, it don't fly in the real world but these freaks seem to think it does.

Hell I've read reports of emails to and fro from the drug maker to the FDA about missing safety data concerning their drug, to which the drug maker replyed to the FDA saying we will get the missing data to you after the drug is put on the market and jaw dropping the FDA was fine about that.
 Quoting: Fhirinne

Tip o' the iceberg, OP. Generic makers are slobs second only to enforced regulations/testing/standards loose as a bridge made of rubber bands.
Food/drug/ingredients are far more frequently outsourced to china and the like as well. Not regulated until they're caught as well as a recent eastern u.s. lab got shut down filled with black mold and accumulated filth. Tells you how lax even cursory inspections are.
If there's one there's many more.
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It is all a sham

like everything else in the world

A front org

Those who depend on these drugs are the real losers

their lives are a living hell and cut way short

If you are dependent on big pharma for drugs to live

you had better rethink your positions and start living a clean drug free life.
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Shoulda just smoked marijuana
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I was on a sleep aide, for years. One month it didn't seem to work, so I mentioned it to her. She then said who ever puts in the lowest bid, gets the contract for the med. They may not always work the same. She was honest. However imagine if it happened to someone on a life saving med!
What really pisses me off is there are cures for every disease! It's about letting ppl die in order to make money!
Major diseases were intentionally introduced into the world then saying there is no cure. These ppl are not human!
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Revelation 18:23 For they were great men of the earth for by their pharmaceuticals were all nations deceived!
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Oh dear.

I take the generic SR 150mg of this drug. Oh dear.
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Oh dear.

I take the generic SR 150mg of this drug. Oh dear.
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Please talk to your doctor. This medicine has been very controversial for years.
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Instead of doing its own study on the drug, the FDA asked the drug maker to conduct a study to determine whether the generic drug was equivalent to the brand. The FDA, in their recent press release, claims that Teva started the trial but later abandoned it because of slow patient enrollment. It was already 2010, several years after knowing there was a problem, the FDA was forced to do its own study.
 Quoting: Fhirinne


This story needs to go viral just because of this part above IMO!

Drug makers doing their own safety studies thats just a (Red Alert) if I ever heard one. It's on par with GLP Uncle stuff or posting without a link, it don't fly in the real world but these freaks seem to think it does.

Hell I've read reports of emails to and fro from the drug maker to the FDA about missing safety data concerning their drug, to which the drug maker replyed to the FDA saying we will get the missing data to you after the drug is put on the market and jaw dropping the FDA was fine about that.
 Quoting: Fhirinne


The drug companies do their own safety studies because the cost is on them. But ALL studies are *monitored* by outside sources (they're, literally, called "monitors"). I used to conduct drug studies and the drug company itself does not validate the study...there are monitors that come in, literally, every single week, to run extensive audits on all the data that's being gathered, all the inventory, etc. And the studies being run at that level are double-blind, meaning the researchers themselves do not know placebos vs. study drug, etc. (actually, even the reseaechers, themselves, do not even work for the drug companies. My pay checks were NOT signed by the drug companies, we were a contract company that did studies for many different drug companies, ones with even competing products). So all the studies are, literally, policed by outside contractors who have nothing to do with the pharmaceutical company at all. It keeps the process ethical, without conflict of interest. And this is how they are able to then publish their results.

Good article though, OP!! I think the fact that generics may not be as effective as name brands, and are not independently validated, is a HUGE story!!!
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I'm amazed anyone still trusts any federal anything. The medical industry and big pharma, are only interested in moving your money from you, to them. I have avoided the whole lot for more than two decades, and at 44 I'm healthier than almost everyone I know, of any age. The youth are so sickly and "need pills for X" I never took care of myself, the only thing I did was avoid "medicine".

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Oh dear.

I take the generic SR 150mg of this drug. Oh dear.
 Quoting: Éireann


Please talk to your doctor. This medicine has been very controversial for years.
 Quoting: natasha77

I have, Tasha. I've been on it for 10 years. I've asked repeatedly to be taken off of all three they have me on because I'm allergic to Gabapentin and all of my meds have traces of it in them.

The Effexor is the worse one. When I wake up in the morning, it's already worn off and I'm so confused and disoriented. It takes me two hours in the morning after I take my meds just to feel normal. How in the hell is this good? How am I ever going to be able to hold down a real job?

Every doctor I've had has told me there is nothing else to treat my disease.
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is that the drug Adam Lanza was taking?
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Teva is a J.o.o.. company by the way
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Oh dear.

I take the generic SR 150mg of this drug. Oh dear.
 Quoting: Éireann


How are you doing on it?
I took the name brand, at 300mg for almost three years. It worked well for the first two. Weaned myself off about a year ago. Deal with my symptoms naturally now, feeling much better.
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OP, this is good information and people should know what goes on, yet in this day and age when almost anyone can research the FDA, drugs and the whole medical establishment, it doesn't take much research to know that drugs to treat depression is is likely to give the patient a lifetime of woe.

Nutrition, vitamins, exercise, sunlight, Vitamin D, .....the side effects of anti depressants alone should send sane people running for cover.

Depression is real, people need treatment, yet drug therapy is a poor excuse for not bothering to get to the root of the problem and solving the issue.

Your Dr. or even your Vet, is trained to prescribe drugs, and administer vaccines. The side effects will have you back in their offices for more drugs. (until you die). Not knocking Dr.'s but their training. I guess you could add dentists in who tell you mercury is safe as well as fluoride.

This seems to be a timeline of stubborn people who refuse to see what is in front of their eyes and are having a most difficult time waking up.

At this rate I shudder to think what it will take to wake people up who have been snoozing this long.
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Tell a person with bi-polar depression that it's just a matter of supplements and working on their issues. No offense but that is ignorance.
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The FDA doesn't actually test any drug. They depend upon the companies own research and reports given to the FDA to determine whether the drug will be approved.
Think about the implications of that for a minute.





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