Ok Important question for Christians...

what are you going on about BeezleBub? I don't demand anybody believe what I believe, where do you get that from?

Jesus said that the 'Word' will judge us all...

So, in the end , Friend, we will have to answer to that and no other opinion,even BeelzeBuB knows that....

1 Corinthians 1:25King James Version (KJV)
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

Peace

Yes, that is the nature of Consciousness... Please explain how you can seperate your perception of 'truth' from your own Consciousness? Try to separate your perception of 'truth' from your emotions, feelings, personal experiences, subjective Awarenes, etc. You cannot do this. Impossible.

Just as you will claim other religions are false and your religion is the only 'truth', adherents of those others religions will do the same and claim that their religion is the 'truth' - and your religion is false. What makes them mistaken and you correct in making this claim according to you? Only your personal bias of course.

Perhaps this might answer the question about the Jewish people who do not believe in Jesus. (by the way there are many who do) They DO believe in the Messiah. The difference between Jews and Christians is that the Jewish people are still waiting for Christ to come. They do not believe that Jesus is the son of God. They await His return. They know He will come during a great war.

do you realize that your assumptions just proves how judgmental you really are? You are everything you want to accuse others of.

I am one Christian, not "all or some Christians".
I have read Thomas Paine's works, have you? If you did you would know that he expressly denies a belief in Christ.

Jesus said that all those who deny Christ are of the anti-Christ.

I am a bible believing Christian, and that means I defer to the wisdom contained there-in. The Apostle Paul expressly tells us that we are to consider Jews as our elder brother, and we are saved as Gentiles, due to the fact that he is blinded, in part, to the truth of Christ.
Again, I do not know who among the Jews that God intends to save, but He will save all of spiritual Israel.
Therefore how can I "label" them anything other than Jews?
What "judgments about other non-believers" are you even talking about?

the tv beams it into my head while I'm sleeping

Kingdom of Heaven, Kingdom of God




I recently got an email that read as follows:



I am studying with Koinonia Institute and have recently encountered a teaching that is making me feel very uncomfortable. I am being a Berean about this teaching and am therefore looking for some help from you if you can possibly provide some aid.
The teaching is that 1) The Kingdom of God is a separate entity from The Kingdom of Heaven. Additionally, we are being taught that 2) the Bride of Christ is only a remnant of the Body of Christ, thus we need to 3) work out our sanctification in order to inherit “the Kingdom.” Which kingdom, I am not sure. It is being claimed that our inheritance of salvation (justification) is blood bought and cannot be lost. I agree. However, the teaching that we must work for a second inheritance to rule and reign with Christ is not sitting well with me. I do believe that we are to allow the Holy Spirit to sanctify us, but I do not believe that we will “lose” our inheritance. Do you? I do believe we can earn or lose rewards–but not an inheritance. And finally, 4) a lot of Christians will be disappointed when they get to heaven because they will have forfeited their inheritance. Thus Scripture tells us there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, but the God will wipe away every tear.






Pardon my sigh. All I could think of was here we have yet another exegetically baseless “insight” that turns into some new doctrine. I thought readers might be interested in my reply (it’s short – promise).
The phrases kingdom of heaven and kingdom of God are interchanged in the synoptic gospels (e.g., Matt. 3:2 = Mark 1:15 / Matt 11:11 = Luke 7:28), so a distinction is bogus. The OT and Second Temple antecedent literature does the same. In Daniel, for example, there is talk of God’s kingdom interchanged with “heaven rules” and similar phrases. In a nutshell, the phrase “the kingdom of heaven,” is a Jewish circumlocution (roundabout way of speaking) for “the kingdom of God” in order to avoid unnecessary use of the word “God” (cf. Mark 11:30–31; Luke 15:18, 21). See here and here. The one by Davies and Allison is more technical but much shorter.

One cannot commit a sin that results in the loss of salvation. Salvation is not about moral perfection, hence it cannot be lost by moral imperfection. That said, those who profess to believe can turn their backs on God and choose another god or no god at all. Election does not rectify this situation, as Israel was elect, but many (most?) of the Israelites fell into idolatry. The key here is to realize that election and salvation are not synonyms. I’ve blogged about that before.



Think of it this way. With respect to Israelites, there are no Israelites in heaven whose loyalty was thrown to another god. Their “profession” means nothing if they were disloyal to Yahweh and worshipped another god (or no god at all). One had to believe in the true God. That belief was shown by spiritual loyalty to him, manifest by refusing to worship any other. Salvation in the OT was about believing loyalty. Same for the NT, since Jesus is this same God incarnate. No one will be in heaven who didn’t believe or who chose another God/Savior/faith. Likewise, there are no believers in Jesus in hell. The issue is believing loyalty directed exclusively at Jesus.This doesn’t resolve the question of people who make professions and then do not believe – as to whether they lost salvation or were never saved in the first place. I consider the question irrelevant. The issue is whether someone believes exclusively in Jesus or doesn’t. I don’t really care about their history. Whether someone had a profession or not prior to that question being raised is irrelevant. The solution is the same: believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, for there is salvation in no other name (Acts 4:12).

Neglected to post link for the above.


[link to drmsh.com]

now that's funny, seeing as how all you do BeeBee is bash others who refuse to believe as you do

Your reading comprehension is poor FurPete's... I asked you to answer questions - if I assumed I would have affirmatively stated how you feel, not asked you to answer and clarify.

Furthermore, I do not judge or condemn people on the basis of their belief in any particular religion and I certainly do not claim any special afterlife rewards or to know the fate for those who do or do not believe in any particular religion. Can't say the same for some posts that I've read from you.



I said 'many' - I never said 'all'. Reading comprehension. Why would you include "all" in your post with quotations when I've never made any such claim?



Yes I have. Hard to believe you have based on some of your posts about him. You said he believes in nothing and accused him of being against someone he does not believe existed - which is a fallacy in logic & reasoning.



Wait a minute, earlier you said he was 'an anti-Christ', now he's 'of the anti-Christ'? Who is the anti-Christ that Paine somehow stems from? Please clarify the distinction.... The bible speaks of multiple anti-Christs which all stem from some other anti-Christ?





You said Christ is the Creator and you labeled someone an 'anti-Christ' for not believing as such. I pointed out to you that Jews do not believe any such claims made about Jesus. So I want to know if that makes them 'anti-Christs' according to the same principle you stated earlier. I'm perplexed by your reluctance to do so. Thomas Paine doesn't believe that Christ is the Creator = hes an anti-christ. Israeli Jews and members of the Jewish faith do not believe that Christ is the Creator = you can't judge them, only God knows, and he may save them???



Why the double standard? Is it the whole 'chosen people' ideology, or something else?





See above. Those of us who don't believe = anti-Christs, unless we're Jewish in which case you will refrain from labeling us as such. Too bad you don't pay the same respect to everyone...

lol, one yardstick for them, another for us

I get the distinct feeling backup has been summoned.

yep....

BTW...See you have a horse avatar.

My mare died yesterday. I'm in mourning.

I don't pay respect to the posters who start bait threads and bash Christians or Jews. In fact, I have defended the Jewish faith here with as much vigor as I have the Christian. These posters post lies as well as diatribes against God. According to the bible, those that hate God are not my neighbors and I don't have to respect them, especially if they run to evil, which many do.

You were the one referencing the link, I read that and the author was the one that didn't believe, not Paine.

Oh I am so sorry!

Thanks. Don't mean to go off subject but horse people understand.

yes, how old was she? what kind of horse? Mine is Friesian crossed with Saddle Bred.

Mare owners are a separate breed themselves, lol

All Christians are Jewish apostates. Even in the 1st and 2nd centuries, they were known as Jews.

lol, "answer this! answer that! blah blah blah, I'll write anyway I please, might even write it in Aramaic, would you like that?

Okay well judging from your reply, I see you really don't want to directly answer whether or not Jews qualify as 'anti-Christs' for disbelieving in Christ as the messiah and as the Creator. Since you defend the Jewish faith vigorously - does that mean you support its claims and ideology? If some of us were to convert to Judaism does that mean we will get special treatment from 'God'? Or just from you?





The link we were referencing was posted by another user and it was written by a Christian Apologist who was attempting to counter Paine's assertions from 'The Age of Reason'. I think you are confused about what was being discussed. Not a big deal.

OK, I found his mission statement and I see it now. the text was laid out in such a way as I couldn't tell which was Paine and which was the author. It's a big deal but I always appreciate a little put down.

I am unable to label any Jewish believer an anti-Christ. I do not know what plans God has for those who are spiritual Israel.
What "claims and ideology" are you talking about?
What kind of "special treatment" would you like us to give you?

"Some of my weird notions", like a belief in God and Christ?

"Spiritual" means nothing because it means anything.

Consistently according to its proponents, apparently "spirituality" means any and every attempt to avoid, evade, and deny the Spirit of God, the Creator and Giver of all things, including even the spirits of people.