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Halcyon Daze (OP) User ID: 57203240 United States 09/09/2014 10:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As someone with a nice, stimulating job, I agree that work can help people flourish. But in an economy that is flatly failing to produce enough jobs to satisfy the need, a universal basic income will start to seem more plausible — even necessary. ................. The sad part that pisses me off is this piece of shit communist dick head is probably right when he says..."a universal basic income will start to seem more plausible ..even necessary." They will force feed this idea to,the sheeple until it's seems rational to them. They have been already. The price of everything is going up while salaries either stagnate or decrease for those who have jobs. When you do the math, it doesn't add up. Brick by brick they are dismantling America and we are all living witnesses. History will not remember us well. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62718368 Germany 09/09/2014 10:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not sure I've seen such a blatantly socialistic/communistic MSM article to date. Quoting: Halcyon Daze The claim: jobs are drying up so EVERYONE should get UBI...Universal Basic Income. They are right in that jobs are drying up but they fail to mention that Obama's policies, that have all but destroyed a nation, are to blame. The idea of fighting back, showing the American spirit are nowhere to be found here. The government and MSM have been infiltrated by those who wish to destroy what has been built here. Call it the powers that be or whatever but the goal is clear: Top down destruction. Snip.... The history of nearly universal labor participation is only about a century and a half old. Back in the early days of capitalism, demand for labor was so strong that all the ancient arrangements of society and family were shredded to accommodate it. Marx's Capital famously described how women and very young children were press-ganged into the textile mills and coal mines, how the nighttime was colonized for additional shifts, and how capitalists fought to extend the working day to the very limits of human endurance (and often beyond). [link to theweek.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62717577 Spain 09/09/2014 10:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I want you all to think about the following question. Name me one job a human does today a machine cannot do thirty years from now. Just one. Think really long and hard about it because even as we speak robotics is evolving at a mind blowing pace. Then when you have answered that question answer if it would make more sense for machines to do the work or humans? Then maybe you will start seeing the picture. A few decades from now there will not be enough work for everyone... Then what? Post natal abortions? UBI is inevitable. It is a transition phase for humanity. And after UBI is implemented give it no more than 20 years before money as we know it ceases to exist all together and mankind will finally turn towards their true destiny. The question is not IF but WHEN. |
Halcyon Daze (OP) User ID: 57203240 United States 09/09/2014 10:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A few years back I posted about the end of capitalism. And got a red karma for my trouble. Now you are seeing it start. Quoting: Dervish The end game of communism and capitalism is the same. A very strong elite, and the unwashed masses. Once you get to that level, the game is over. In the past we had war and revolution to spur economic growth and political change. But now, we have technology that makes labor unnecessary. Think about that. Unneeded labor. Robotics, 3d printing, nanotechnology, self replicating smart machines. Bang, the vast majority of the workplace is out of a job all of a sudden. That is why universal basic income is talked about. "the jobs are going boys,and they aint comin back" So, do not get concerned about capitalism, communism etc. Those are just words. Their are much bigger games in play. We are only a few years away from machines that can scan your body and either perform a procedure or prescribe a drug . Those machines will be smarter than any doctor now, able to grab even the most obscure medical research. Even the highly educated jobs are in danger. So what do we do? Give them a stipend. Till when? Till the current money based economic model is no longer in use. I know it sounds silly. But with no work, and no shortages, what will economics be based on? The short answer, nothing. Nothing at all. It will cease to exist . Some of you will snicker in disdain, but that is because you have not thought it out far enough. Doesn't sound silly at all. You've thought it through for all of us and I doubt anyone here will disagree with you. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 29804770 United States 09/09/2014 10:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | At least that is what I've read on the subject. Am I for it, no not really but with machines doing most things in the future I'm not sure what else can be done but to make up menial tasks for people to do. |
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Useless Cookie Eater User ID: 29696048 United States 09/09/2014 10:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think a couple have basic income confused. The purposed method would just be like everyone getting social security. Just enough to survive with the basic essentials.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29804770 ....which is Communism. The basic essentials were what USSR Commies were all about. Read a book sometime imbecile. |
Halcyon Daze (OP) User ID: 57203240 United States 09/09/2014 10:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think a couple have basic income confused. The purposed method would just be like everyone getting social security. Just enough to survive with the basic essentials, while those that worked would make money on top of that. As pointed above machines will be doing most of the work and those working would be the more specialized or driven people and they would get all the cool toys while the other squeaked by. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29804770 At least that is what I've read on the subject. Am I for it, no not really but with machines doing most things in the future I'm not sure what else can be done but to make up menial tasks for people to do. So maybe the true battle of the future is Man vs. Machine (and the people who produce such machines). The forgone conclusion here is that the machines WILL exist. But who is making that conclusion? Last Edited by Halcyon Daze on 09/09/2014 10:45 PM |
Dervish User ID: 56952143 United States 09/09/2014 10:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another snip... Quoting: Halcyon Daze As someone with a nice, stimulating job, I agree that work can help people flourish. But in an economy that is flatly failing to produce enough jobs to satisfy the need, a universal basic income will start to seem more plausible — even necessary. ................. The sad part that pisses me off is this piece of shit communist dick head is probably right when he says..."a universal basic income will start to seem more plausible ..even necessary." They will force feed this idea to,the sheeple until it's seems rational to them. They have been already. The price of everything is going up while salaries either stagnate or decrease for those who have jobs. When you do the math, it doesn't add up. Brick by brick they are dismantling America and we are all living witnesses. History will not remember us well. Op, you have the perfect nic for yourself. So let us go back to the halycon days of yesteryear. America was founded on a tax protest. Since then we have been taxed more than the Crown could ever hope to dream. We started off as a country hoping to avoid foreign entanglements. Now we have bases, bombs and graves in almost every part of the world. We believed in a Federal gov being small and states rights being the ultimate power. And that ended back in 1865. All of these things started before anyone here was born. So what exactly will future generations complain about? Considering we got a bill of goods from about 1812 on? I think many of you do not know history. America was not The Waltons and Little House on the Prairie. America was the Gangs of New York, death and disease in the frontier, corruption at all levels by bought politicians, judges and sheriffs. I know enough to know that I know nothing |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60583524 United States 09/09/2014 10:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look at any closed up factory and around it you find closed up stores, diners, bars, bowling alleys, etc. Mega rich fuckers sent all the jobs overseas so they could be even mega richer. The Walmart generation - cheap junk, throw away everything. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62717577 Spain 09/09/2014 10:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think a couple have basic income confused. The purposed method would just be like everyone getting social security. Just enough to survive with the basic essentials.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29804770 ....which is Communism. The basic essentials were what USSR Commies were all about. Read a book sometime imbecile. So you are proposing letting those who cannot find jobs in the future because there are no more jobs rot and die on the streets. ...which is Fascism. You have not thought at all about the future have you? Social issues must be addressed, and should be addressed without prejudice. |
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chowan User ID: 62718571 United States 09/09/2014 10:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I want you all to think about the following question. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62717577 Name me one job a human does today a machine cannot do thirty years from now. Just one. Think really long and hard about it because even as we speak robotics is evolving at a mind blowing pace. Then when you have answered that question answer if it would make more sense for machines to do the work or humans? Then maybe you will start seeing the picture. A few decades from now there will not be enough work for everyone... Then what? Post natal abortions? UBI is inevitable. It is a transition phase for humanity. And after UBI is implemented give it no more than 20 years before money as we know it ceases to exist all together and mankind will finally turn towards their true destiny. The question is not IF but WHEN. This guy has a point fits in with depopulation and agenda 21 as well Nothing personal fellow humans your just not needed anymore. However I will be very surprised if robotics and high tech survives the next 30 years one large well aimed CME and human skill will be important again. sheell be right mate |
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Spine monkey User ID: 39475233 United States 09/09/2014 10:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is one of the final stages of late industrial capitalism. The jobs are disappearing because of automation. Increasing automation means increasing job loss. Clever fellows who think that THEY will never be replaced by a bot of some sort look and smirk at those less fortunate, believing that THEY are immune. The whole process of industrialization involves leveraging oilpower/windpower and manpower to achieve goals; when it can be done with solar power/renewables and bots of all sorts, the need for manpower dwindles and dwindles and dwindles. What, then, do we do with the excess manpower? Have wars to lower the #s? Or give people money to live and achieve goals beneficial to the society. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 43035839 United States 09/09/2014 10:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great even more incentive not to get a job and support your family yourself. Quoting: ESP83 And where is this money gonna come from exactly? Is the fed just going to keeps printing dollars? How is this possibly going to end well? Credits. Money has whatever value everyone agrees it has regardless of how much is in circulation. Your current way of thinking about it is a scam. As we are all seeing might and necessity are the true determiners of money's value rather than computer and paper amounts. Debt amounts are meaningless once they reach a level that can never be paid back. That's why such unpayable debt must be forgiven every so often but not without credit honor loss for failure to keep your contract for whatever reason. When machines do the work more efficiently and sufficiently enough to allow the slaves that helped build it all a chance to relax if they want to isn't it kind to allow them that luxury? If they find work that is in demand they will accumulate more status and higher quality goods and thus it will be everyone's incentive to be all they can be at whatever is actually needed or what they enjoy. Of course like any system it will only work if it is fair and honorable and isn't abused. Our current system is inadequate and unnecessary and is being abused and exploited to the max. |
Useless Cookie Eater User ID: 29696048 United States 09/09/2014 10:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think a couple have basic income confused. The purposed method would just be like everyone getting social security. Just enough to survive with the basic essentials.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29804770 ....which is Communism. The basic essentials were what USSR Commies were all about. Read a book sometime imbecile. So you are proposing letting those who cannot find jobs in the future because there are no more jobs rot and die on the streets. ...which is Fascism. You have not thought at all about the future have you? Social issues must be addressed, and should be addressed without prejudice. Clearly you are brainwashed as to what fascism really is. Try again sheep. Go back in time and live under Hitler or Mussolini. You wouldn't know a fascist until he bit you in the ass...or shot you in the head. The public miseducation system did a number on your brain cells. Last Edited by Useless Cookie Eater on 09/09/2014 10:51 PM |
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Starknight User ID: 61104463 Venezuela 09/09/2014 10:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think a couple have basic income confused. The purposed method would just be like everyone getting social security. Just enough to survive with the basic essentials.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29804770 ....which is Communism. The basic essentials were what USSR Commies were all about. Read a book sometime imbecile. So you are proposing letting those who cannot find jobs in the future because there are no more jobs rot and die on the streets. ...which is Fascism. You have not thought at all about the future have you? Social issues must be addressed, and should be addressed without prejudice. If you both met someplace in the middle, things would go cool. Extremism is a biatch. 1 John 1–3._ 1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. @Starknight921 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 62717577 Spain 09/09/2014 10:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great even more incentive not to get a job and support your family yourself. Quoting: ESP83 And where is this money gonna come from exactly? Is the fed just going to keeps printing dollars? How is this possibly going to end well? Credits. Money has whatever value everyone agrees it has regardless of how much is in circulation. Your current way of thinking about it is a scam. As we are all seeing might and necessity are the true determiners of money's value rather than computer and paper amounts. Debt amounts are meaningless once they reach a level that can never be paid back. That's why such unpayable debt must be forgiven every so often but not without credit honor loss for failure to keep your contract for whatever reason. When machines do the work more efficiently and sufficiently enough to allow the slaves that helped build it all a chance to relax if they want to isn't it kind to allow them that luxury? If they find work that is in demand they will accumulate more status and higher quality goods and thus it will be everyone's incentive to be all they can be at whatever is actually needed or what they enjoy. Of course like any system it will only work if it is fair and honorable and isn't abused. Our current system is inadequate and unnecessary and is being abused and exploited to the max. Bravo. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28355838 United States 09/09/2014 10:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | many of the problems of lost jobs by factories moving out of the USA is is because of the free trade/NAFTA policies democrats brought on!!!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62717555 NAFTA/GATT was a Republican idea that Bill Clinton signed into law...just as the Insurance Industry will reap what Obamacare sowed. |
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Useless Cookie Eater User ID: 29696048 United States 09/09/2014 10:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | many of the problems of lost jobs by factories moving out of the USA is is because of the free trade/NAFTA policies democrats brought on!!!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62717555 NAFTA/GATT was a PROGRESSIVE idea that Bill Clinton signed into law...just as the Insurance Industry will reap what Obamacare sowed. Fixed. |
Nikola Tesla User ID: 61053943 United States 09/09/2014 10:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The goal of liberalism is progressivism is socialism is communism is Tyranny. ...which equates to another major war to eliminate the plague once again. Yep "One person with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson "You’ve heard that we are what we eat. But we also are what we think". “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." -William F. Buckley Jr. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62717577 Spain 09/09/2014 10:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Clearly you are brainwashed as to what fascism really is. Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater Try again sheep. Go back in time and live under Hitler or Mussolini. You wouldn't know a fascist until he bit you in the ass...or shot you in the head. The public miseducation system did a number on your brain cells. I'll live under Hitler instead of you anytime. Gladly. At least Hitler had a brain before he blew them out. |