Is it even legal for the Government to arm and train "moderate rebels" without the permission of its citizens? | |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 5458383 United States 10/13/2015 06:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is it even legal for the Government to arm and train "moderate rebels" without the permission of its citizens? Maybe it's time to retire the word legal, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37383889 maybe the word justice too. Perhaps so, law and order seems to have gone out the window in the passed 14 years. Nobody is held accountable for anything anymore where it counts. In a modern context though, we have a president who is basically a psychotic killer, while toeing the line of nice guy unflinchingly. He kills people with a smile. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 5458383 United States 10/13/2015 06:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is it even legal for the Government to arm and train "moderate rebels" without the permission of its citizens? Maybe it's time to retire the word legal, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37383889 maybe the word justice too. Perhaps so, law and order seems to have gone out the window in the passed 14 years. Nobody is held accountable for anything anymore where it counts. In a modern context though, we have a president who is basically a psychotic killer, while toeing the line of nice guy unflinchingly. He kills people with a smile. |
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Sungaze_At_Dawn User ID: 70246439 Canada 10/13/2015 07:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is it even legal for the Government to arm and train "moderate rebels" without the permission of its citizens? It's not legal, but unfortunately the system is set up so there are no counsels of citizens as watchdogs, which should be mandatory. Jury duty style. AND a reject, arrest immediately, fire immediately, call another election immmediately BUTTON. Without that, its not a democracy,not a representational democracy, its a fascist state, where evil and unlawful things, happen all the time and no one does squat about it. Now that could change if the people got up, met in the town square and surrounded their offices until they left, even if their reserve armies attacked and droned them nonstop. And then the people ensured that there was mandatory counsels of citizens, and fire buttons, arrest buttons etc. I've been waiting all my life for people to do something, and brought up in school that unless that was in place, this was not a democracy and voting was irrelevant. The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist. The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist. Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1361088 United Kingdom 10/13/2015 07:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is it even legal for the Government to arm and train "moderate rebels" without the permission of its citizens? Be funny if Russia started arming La Raza in their 'struggle' as payback for the Ukraine, and see how America would react (Obama would probably secretly approve though, anything to destroy the Country gives him a happy). Same with the NSA shit, if this was Russia or China spying on citizens around the world Americans in particular would have been outraged and the Politicians would consider it an "act of war" which it is (it's only acceptable to spy on the other sides spies and persons of interest not the general population), but if it's America it's for the "greater good" and the world is just expected to deal with it. |
Lady Jane Smith Forum Administrator 10/13/2015 07:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is it even legal for the Government to arm and train "moderate rebels" without the permission of its citizens? There are no more moderate rebels. Any moderate ones are long gone. The "rebels" are just another branch of ISIS now. Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69766226 United States 10/13/2015 08:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is it even legal for the Government to arm and train "moderate rebels" without the permission of its citizens? It is a corporation. Since The Act of 1871, the United States Federal Corporation has taken over the federal government of the United States. It took until 1933 to completely, 100% break it (when they bankrupted it and it went into receivership). Simple, documented fact: the United States Federal Corporation (later named The United States Government to further confuse you) has absolutely no authority to rule over you. Its just a business. By 1940 all of the state governments were all incorporated also. Everything they tell you, you actually have no lawful obligation of obey. But, most people are just too uninformed to know or realize it. Please call me a liar! Please call me a conspiracy theorist! If you do I will challenge you to an intellectual duel and you will lose, bigtime. Why? Because everything I have said, above, is documented in law, color of law and federal, state and local records. Oh, yeah, its cryptic, but you can understand it if you really want to read. The trouble is, if you really accepted what I am saying, you'd be red-faced angry and then you'd have to do something about it. So, you won't. You'll just continue going to your jobs and ball games and watching your entertainment and being a good little sheep. You are an enabler. It is why they do what they do: humans (the vast majority of them) were made to be slaves. Hope you enjoy yourselves and I hope your master decides to keep you when they cull the herd. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13797970 United States 10/13/2015 08:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is it even legal for the Government to arm and train "moderate rebels" without the permission of its citizens? It's actually against International Law (offshoot of Nuremberg)regardless of whether US citizens approve of the action. Nations aren't allowed to interfere with other countries Sovereignty unless there is a direct threat to it, and it is considered a major war crime. America long stopped worrying over obeying International Law though, although they expect others to. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1361088 Be funny if Russia started arming La Raza in their 'struggle' as payback for the Ukraine, and see how America would react (Obama would probably secretly approve though, anything to destroy the Country gives him a happy). Same with the NSA shit, if this was Russia or China spying on citizens around the world Americans in particular would have been outraged and the Politicians would consider it an "act of war" which it is (it's only acceptable to spy on the other sides spies and persons of interest not the general population), but if it's America it's for the "greater good" and the world is just expected to deal with it. Just slow down a tad. The American people, especially real freedom loving Americans do not agree with what the American Government is doing. I, for one, do not agree with the foreign policies that American politians promote. I believe America should be working with Russia and China more directly in an attempt to cool violent extremism down, and promote worldwide security. Things will not get better if the three biggest powers in the World are not working together. Evryone seems to have their own agenda, but what you and the rest of the World sees on the news is not what Americans want from their country- I promise. |
PIR User ID: 48619281 United States 10/13/2015 08:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is it even legal for the Government to arm and train "moderate rebels" without the permission of its citizens? It's actually against International Law (offshoot of Nuremberg)regardless of whether US citizens approve of the action. Nations aren't allowed to interfere with other countries Sovereignty unless there is a direct threat to it, and it is considered a major war crime. America long stopped worrying over obeying International Law though, although they expect others to. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1361088 Be funny if Russia started arming La Raza in their 'struggle' as payback for the Ukraine, and see how America would react (Obama would probably secretly approve though, anything to destroy the Country gives him a happy). Same with the NSA shit, if this was Russia or China spying on citizens around the world Americans in particular would have been outraged and the Politicians would consider it an "act of war" which it is (it's only acceptable to spy on the other sides spies and persons of interest not the general population), but if it's America it's for the "greater good" and the world is just expected to deal with it. 100% correct. |
Travis User ID: 48754946 United States 10/13/2015 08:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is it even legal for the Government to arm and train "moderate rebels" without the permission of its citizens? That's a bit of a stretch. Can't expect a straight answer to that kind of question when shit's so fucked up. This is how it is, when Governments throw the rule of law under the bus. It literally means nothing to them. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 5458383 United States 10/13/2015 08:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is it even legal for the Government to arm and train "moderate rebels" without the permission of its citizens? There are no more moderate rebels. Any moderate ones are long gone. The "rebels" are just another branch of ISIS now. Quoting: Lady Jane Smith It doesn't sound like they were very 'moderate' to begin with honestly. Even in the beginning stages of the "revolution" there were reports of horrendous atrocities being committed at the hands of the so called "moderates", atrocities exactly like what isis has done, only they didn't film it and put it up on the internet. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70553087 United States 10/13/2015 08:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is it even legal for the Government to arm and train "moderate rebels" without the permission of its citizens? There's no one that's going to prosecute it, so what are you going to do about it? Nothing. All you can do is sit back and watch and hope you don't get blown up also. Either by another country OR your own very special drone operators. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 5458383 United States 10/13/2015 08:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is it even legal for the Government to arm and train "moderate rebels" without the permission of its citizens? This entire situation is crooked to the core, and most of it seems to be totally illegal too. Hopefully there are some legal consequences to this insanity, but I'm not holding my breath. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70551655 Germany 10/13/2015 08:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is it even legal for the Government to arm and train "moderate rebels" without the permission of its citizens? Lets consider that tax payer dollars have been used to train and arm so called "moderate rebels". Is the Government not required to consult the people in some capacity to do this? is this not totally illegal? especially considering that if the American people had been consulted, there would have been an overwhelming rejection of the idea, and for the Government to still do it would have been in direction violation of the wishes of the people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5458383 Of course it isn`t. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 38320026 United States 10/13/2015 08:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is it even legal for the Government to arm and train "moderate rebels" without the permission of its citizens? [link to www.businessinsider.com] “That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons in order to prevent any future act of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations, or persons." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69800727 United States 10/13/2015 08:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is it even legal for the Government to arm and train "moderate rebels" without the permission of its citizens? lol like your opinion matters OP to the global elite. Do you ask, for example, your dogs permissi0on to take him to the vet? Or does your state legislature ask your dog before they make laws affecting dogs? you are a itty bitty sheep in a very very big world, just stay outta the tigers' and lions' way and you should be ok. |
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Sungaze_At_Dawn User ID: 70246439 Canada 10/13/2015 08:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is it even legal for the Government to arm and train "moderate rebels" without the permission of its citizens? lol like your opinion matters OP to the global elite. Do you ask, for example, your dogs permissi0on to take him to the vet? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69800727 Or does your state legislature ask your dog before they make laws affecting dogs? you are a itty bitty sheep in a very very big world, just stay outta the tigers' and lions' way and you should be ok. We're the powers, and we need to throw those assholes in very deep holes. PERIOD!!!! So everyone has safe world and equality/freedoms wedded. And we can progress with clean technology. All predators thrown in deep dungeons, where they belong. The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist. The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist. Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69192367 United States 10/13/2015 08:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is it even legal for the Government to arm and train "moderate rebels" without the permission of its citizens? lol like your opinion matters OP to the global elite. Do you ask, for example, your dogs permissi0on to take him to the vet? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69800727 Or does your state legislature ask your dog before they make laws affecting dogs? you are a itty bitty sheep in a very very big world, just stay outta the tigers' and lions' way and you should be ok. A sheep that knows is still, never the less, a sheep. The least they could do is resist, and break through the fence. But, no, even if they know and understand, they will never resist. Just keep plodding along. Take the easiest path. Obey the rules. Pay all your taxes. Be good little Americans so Uncle Sam can pat you on the head. (...of course they murdered the real Uncle Sam and chopped his body up and threw it all in a dumpster. This is a look-alike hired to fool you.) I at least cost them far more than they make off of me. |
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