The Atheist's Riddle...

5) DNA was Designed by a Superintelligence, i.e. God.



Bingo

'Beginnings'

"It's deceptive to say that thus and so "happened in the beginning," or that "in the beginning was the word," or whatever, because there was no official Beginning when God suddenly came parading out of nothingness, bearing the ingredients of mountains, oceans, and land, and trailing sky banners proclaiming the opening of the universe, or the creation of life from a sea of gases.

There are multitudinous beginnings. "The Beginning" is only the one you came in on, so to speak, which is rather like coming into a dream in the middle and wondering what happened earlier. In dreams, everything really happens at once, even though there seems to be a beginning and ending . . . the past and the present and future merge . . . and the universe is like that in a way.

You're bound to wonder what went on or how long it's all been going on, not realizing that in a matter of speaking, it just started when you got there. And in another way, it really isn't there at all.

If you dream that you're in a jungle, for instance, no vines or tangled undergrowth climb up the bedpost, and no exotic animals prowl between the window and the door. Yet the jungle certainly seems real. Where did it come from, or when did it begin? The universe is like the dream jungle. It exists quite properly, yet in a most profound way it makes no sense to ask when it all began. It begins each day, each moment, at each point of our contact with it.

The gods exist in the same manner, like a giant species of consciousness, striding psychological paths of vast proportions that that never really physically appear in the world at all. The gods and the universe really begin everyplace and "everywhere" at once, at every point. Our psychological reality rises from an inner inconceivable divine mind that's invisible to us, since we are It, earthized, individualized. We are the gods in camouflage."
(thanks ever S&J)

w/luv,
just me

The human hand, the eyeball, obvious intelligent design. To those who do not believe, there is no GOD for you. Your future is to be destroyed. Real smart, WAKE THE HELL UP.

Typical Christer threat.

"If you don't agree with me, my invisible fairy friend will torture you after you are dead."

Some of us think that good works should also be done in THIS lifetime.


Some intelligence (says I, near-sighted, night vision already going as I age). Ask any opthamologist if they couldn't think of ten improvements for the human eye right off the bat.

And, what, did he lose the blueprints? Why come up a completely different eye for insects, and yet another for marine invertebrates? And why put a perfectly functional eye on, say, a cave fish that will never have a chance to use it?

And yet your sky fairy won't even stop the massicare of millions of people.

God is a luxury of the decadent.

Free will and the laws of cause and effect are allowed to play out.


You don't want a God in your life, yet you wish there was one to save the world from it's own free will choices.



interesting.

How about this? What is DNA made of? Here is a nice link you might find interesting. What they are talking about is the search for anything that is solid. Is it that we made purely of compressed light? When you think you have found something solid, a closer look shows that it is made of even smaller entities. Nothing exists; yet here we are - it is truly incredible. We are compressed light that thinks.


[link to www.worldontheweb.com]
Scientists seek “God particle”
Written by Daniel Devine
April 1, 2008
Scientists are conducting the largest physics experiment in the world and searching for “the God particle” — a mysterious bit of stuff that would prove the prevailing theory of particle physics. Since the Higgs boson particle should disintegrate and disappear almost as soon as it is created, actually detecting one is a long shot. But if an accelerator can do it, the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) can.

Oh please, even a child knows there is no such thing as free will.

Tell me why again, god kills billions?

LOL the best question is how many times have I asked this?

You make no sense.....children are notorious for making free will choices.


btw.....Did you actually SEE God kill billions??

NO.

If you claim you actually SAW GOD doing that, then we must all assume you believe He exists.

Wrong.

Just pointing out, if you can praise God for doing good things, then you can chastise him for doing ill. He doesn't get a Get Out of Jail Free card.

It's particularly absurd when you realize a great many Christian sects do not care what exercise is made of this vaunted free will except in one arena. Lie, cheat, steal; or be a philanthropist, a doctor, a good samaritan. Doesn't matter. All that God cares about is if you said the Magic Word or not.

I've attended services. The lessons I heard there disgusted me.

When did you actually SEE God do ill?

I assure you, no one is dead, no one is hurt, and no one is getting away with anything.

You fail to grasp simple mechanics. There is no free anything. Certainly no free will.

And yes if you have your god, your god set in motion all death.

Your god sucks, it's a shame you don't understand that. But it's not your fault as your mind is simply constructed in a manner that cannot grasp that.

At least nobody has bothered with painfully simple watches yet...

As for DNA it's funny how there are precursive versions of it, but of course like evoltion the sky goddess people must put their heads in the sand.

but then it's not their fault, they were simply delt that hand.

The only way christers can prove they have a god, is to drag its sorry ass down here on earth for all to see.

Of course they can't do that because their invisible god is non existent.

No real god could be such a nasty lousy murderous scum bag god as the stinking bible god.

It slaughtered every living thing on earth with it's flood. Then it once blew through Egypt and murdered every first born child including all first born animals.

That sort of god is an insame maniac. It can go f itself.

NO, it's perfect.

Phi-1.618

I haven't seen a sky fairy do ANYTHING.

I am just objecting to those who go around saying "oooh, look at all the cool stuff our god did!" and then try to avoid making him responsible for anything other than the cool stuff.

I would think this would be a clear and simple idea. I don't need to have any personal connection or animosity towards a sky fairy to be able to theorize about the actions of one. I can make moral judgements about the behaviors of people in a movie. So what prevents me from making moral judgements about the behavior of people in a Book?

A god? The OP is wanting to discuss an intelligent consciousness. If you can get past pre-school, you're on your way.

I don't believe it's possible that there is not a code. Even chaos must have a code.

-------------------------------------------------------------​-

There can be no free will with an "all knowing" god.
He knows everything we will do in advance. We have no choice in the matter. If we have a choice then your pussy boy god is not "all knowing"

You chirsters can't have it both ways. Your god loves to see babies raped, starved to death, born deformed, and blown to bits when one country attacks another.

Your god loves this stuff. He is a real murderous blood and guts god.

Question before us now is if this thread has been hijacked by knee-jerk Christers (and atheists responding in kind), or if the OP had all along such a transparent purpose there really is no point in discussing the actual mechanics of DNA, information theory, semiotics et al.

Now, I'm confused. OP, I thought you were revealing that there is an intelligent consciousness, that which IS the code of all or behind all. I don't believe it is possible to NOT have that code of ALL THERE IS. I believe even chaos has a code.

Many scientist believe in the God particle. How can one colony of monkeys invent a different way of making something and another group 1000 miles away start doing the same thing? Everything is connected. There is no separation.

There should be no separation between science and spirituality. How does a water molecule form?

Well let's see, creation is pretty darn cool....



what man chooses to do with his free will....not so much.


You do understand what free will means, correct?

This sounds like you are ascribing all "evil" to free will.

At first it looks defensible. God makes the world. He then lets humanity chose what they will do. Some chose violence, torture, self-destruction, etc.


But let's take a closer look at what lies within those choices. I can chose not to apply violence to my fellow humans. Can I chose not to have a virus apply violence to my intestinal tract? Can I chose whether the tiger attacks me? Well -- we might think about applying free will to the tiger. But, being a carnivore, the only path that leads that tiger away from predation is one of self-destruction. Did God set up a world in which the tiger is either damned, or dead? Seems a little pointless to me but anyhow...

Actually, though, I can chose to avoid some of the travails of infection (and malnutrition, and genetic defect...) Among the tools given to me with free will are the tools of science and technology.

This is even more interesting. God has created a world which awards us for using the intelligence and free will he has also given us. Sounds to me like a plan.

As an individual, I can chose to act as an individual, and directly compete for my needs against other individuals. Or I can chose to act as a member of a society, and work together to fulfill my needs in much greater ways. As an individual I can not cook a gourmet meal or compose a symphony; but as a member of society I have access to both of these. Enlightened self-interest on top of instinctual communal behavior.

So, again, God has created a world in which being an intelligent, free-willed individual is rewarded. In which morality itself is rewarded. And it requires no external system of checks and balances, awards and punishments.



Until a religious person comes along with the perfect escape clause.

wait a minute....if I've got this right, you're saying that if a tree fell in the forest and nobody saw it fall, it should not be laying on the ground?

I see trees laying on the ground all the time! I bet nobody saw, at least one of the trees I saw, fall!

AH HA!

----------------------------------------------------------



If we have free will then your god is not "all knowing".
An "all knowing" god knows what we will do before we do it.

Therefore your god is not "all aknowing"

It is also obviously not "all powerful" either., Actually its a nothing god. It can't even do a card trick. it no where and no body. Zero, nothing.

How could that be? You are saying that Chaos is the exact antonym of itself?!?!!? Thats crazy, maaaan!!!!

Well, the above was basically me trying to expand on the theorist above me. I am still not sure what his point was, but I thought I might explore the possibility of a god that does not "evil" but merely stands back.

I guess it depends on your definition of "evil." I can't call a god who created cancer "loving," but I can intellectually understand it as a productive environment.

The problem I ran into -- that my little essay above begins to explore -- is that once you imagine a God who lauds free will, and who has created a world with challenges for the exercise for intelligence, you take the stated purpose of religions out of the picture.

It seems obvious such a world was designed for the benefit of those in that world. We apply our free will and our intelligence towards improving our lots, and the conditions of all humanity (and, perhaps, one day, towards creatures further down the sentience chain as well).

There is no reason to apply that energy and intelligence towards some theoretical life after death.

But even more; in setting up such a set of ground conditions, our theoretical God makes himself unnecessary to the process at all. The world operates without need of a God. The world could even have come to its present shape without need of a god.


Free will, if extrapolated far enough, frees you from requiring a Sky Fairy in the first place.

oh, ok......your perception is that an animal attacking you and an intestinal virus are both evil (satanic) acts.






Which, from your perspective, is what exactly?