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THE MOST PERFECT CRIME EVER COMMITTED:The Sinking Of The Titanic 1912, Created To Be A Tomb For The Wealthy Opposing The Federal Reserve Act 1913

 
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You a naval architect?







It's already been shown though that those rivets were sub- industry standard junk. They were placed along the bow section of the outer hull, stretching the first 5 watertight compartments. 5 flooded compartments on Titanic equaled doom. After that they transition to steel. It could have been a designed crumple zone. Murdoch should have rammed the berg. Instead he dragged the berg straight across this designed weak spot.

His behavior, along with Capt. Smith's that night, was very strange.


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Re-read the reply to this that I posted earlier. The impact of the collision has been determined at 1,173,000 foot TONS by the US Hydrographic Office. That's enough energy to lift 14 Washington Monuments off the ground at the same time. Of course the rivets failed. Welds would fail too. Actually the best rivets were placed in the hull, not that it mattered. As I said before, how do we know for certain that the 48 rivets used in the recent test even came from the hull? Yet after the sinking, the hull survived a 30-plus knot collision with the bottom, and most of the sub industry-standard junk rivets are still there.

Do you have any idea how difficult it would have been to engineer such a precise collision with an iceberg in pitch blackness? Have you ever been at sea at night in mid-Atlantic with no moon? Even if you could find such an officer, he's not going to be the kind of guy who'll go along with such a scheme. Murdoch, though he should have rammed the berg head-on, was doing his damnedest to avoid a collision.

What in particular about Smith's and Murdoch's behavior was strange? Apart from ignoring the ice warnings, of course. High speed was common back then until and iceberg was actually sighted, though this practice ended after the Titanic disaster.
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The impact of the collision has been determined at 1,173,000 foot TONS by the US Hydrographic Office. That's enough energy to lift 14 Washington Monuments off the ground at the same time.
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As I recall the 'impact' was actually several smaller impacts, and the force of these impacts was distributed along the side of the ship. So does 1,173,000 foot tons distributed along a 300' long section of the ship overcome the combined tensile strength of thousands of rivets made of junk iron? What about as compared to steel?




As I said before, how do we know for certain that the 48 rivets used in the recent test even came from the hull?
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From the Times link from earlier in the thread.

"The scientists discovered that Harland and Wolff also used steel rivets — but only on the Titanic’s central hull, where stresses were expected to be greatest. Iron rivets were chosen for the stern and bow."


Do you have any idea how difficult it would have been to engineer such a precise collision with an iceberg in pitch blackness? Have you ever been at sea at night in mid-Atlantic with no moon?
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Right, you would need help to chart such a course. That help charting a course came from Californian, a ship that was chartered on it's course from England to Boston. The Californian had the means to radio to Capt. Smith the course he would need to maintain in order to encounter the iceberg.


What in particular about Smith's and Murdoch's behavior was strange?
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There is testimony that Murdoch, who was said to have tried to port round the ship to avoid the iceberg, gave the command "hard to starboard". Why? And when exactly?

Smith was said to be in a fog during the whole fiasco.

And Capt. Lord of the Californian tried to omit the reports of the distress rockets that were seen that night.


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As I recall the 'impact' was actually several smaller impacts, and the force of these impacts was distributed along the side of the ship. So does 1,173,000 foot tons distributed along a 300' long section of the ship overcome the combined tensile strength of thousands of rivets made of junk iron? What about as compared to steel?

The impact was more or less continuous, but did intermittent damage, probably due to the ice continuously breaking and crumpling against the hull. As you know, the plates bent, and the rivets popped out. But yes, this force does overcome the strength of the rivets, whether "junk iron" as you claim or not. Compared to steel? There'd be little difference when we're talking about this amount of force being exerted against two so disparate masses. A 500 million ton iceberg against a puny 46,000 ton ship. The object with the smaller mass (much smaller!)will suffer more. Recall the sinking of that Canadian liner last year--she had a modern welded hull, better-constructed and with better materials than Titanic had, yet a much larger mass of ice than her displacement still did her in. This is why we have the International Ice Patrol. There's also very good reason to believe that Titanic grounded on a spur on the iceberg in addition to hitting it on the side of the hull. This caused racking damage from the forward hull section being forced upward by the impact, which caused the bulkhead adjoining the firemans' passage to buckle, resulting in its watertight door not closing all the way. This compartment, according to eyewitness accounts, was otherwise not breached from the side collision. An informative article on this can be found through the messageboard at encyclopediatitanica.com.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, different grade rivets were used for different areas of Titanic and her sisters. Since the scientists quoted in the NY Times article don't specify from which parts of the ship the rivets tested were obtained, I remain skeptical. They could easily be the lowest-grade rivets used for non-load-bearing members in the superstructure, which would be inferior even to the iron rivets used in the bow and stern. I haven't read their book yet, but the fact they didn't feel the need to specify the original location of these rivets in a high-profile article on their experiment is telling. But given the force of impact and the difference in mass I mentioned, it wouldn't have mattered. The rivets would have failed. Period.










Right, you would need help to chart such a course. That help charting a course came from Californian, a ship that was chartered on it's course from England to Boston. The Californian had the means to radio to Capt. Smith the course he would need to maintain in order to encounter the iceberg.

No, I'm talking about AFTER the berg was sighted. Murdoch has ordered full astern on both reciprocating engines (which causes the center screw driven by the turbine to stop, depriving the rudder of the steady flow of water needed to make it effective) yet still has enough maneuverability to engineer the collision in just such a way that the first five compartments will be breached? All this in pitch blackness? I remind you that the berg they hit wasn't one of the white ones you see in pictures; it was a "black berg", one which has capsized in the water and has its slick, dark underside surface on top and is MUCH less visible. The lookouts in the crows' nest have no binoculars to help him hit it correctly, or even see the berg in time. The sea is flat calm, so there aren't even any waves to show the berg at its base. And there's no moon to illuminate the berg from above. By all accounts, less than 40 seconds elapsed between sighting and the collision. Titanic had no searchlights. And Smith wasn't even on the bridge. Murdoch must be an absolute master at seamanship; it's a wonder why he didn't have his own command already, or at least been the Chief Officer in place of Henry Wilde.

By all accounts, only two exchanges ever took place between Titanic and Californian. The first was earlier on April 14 when Californian reported passing ice. The second was around 11:30 PM when Californian attempted to send a message reporting their ship was stopped and surrounded by ice. Chief Wireless Officer Phillips cut this message off though, saying "Shut up, shut up; I'm working Cape Race and you're jamming me." I can't believe any claim of Californian being involved in this conspiracy without hard evidence. I haven't seen ANY of that on this board so far. And insinuations and coincidences do NOT count as evidence.





There is testimony that Murdoch, who was said to have tried to port round the ship to avoid the iceberg, gave the command "hard to starboard". Why? And when exactly?

Smith was said to be in a fog during the whole fiasco.

And Capt. Lord of the Californian tried to omit the reports of the distress rockets that were seen that night.


Murdoch gave the command "hard a'starboard", which in 1912 meant turning the stern to starboard (thus the bow to port), intending to pass the berg on the left, and unwittingly exposing the starboard side to impact. When Titanic came even with the berg, he gave the order hard a'port, (meaning of course to turn the stern to port) intending to try to swing the stern of the ship out of the way of the berg. These commands were a carryover from the days of sail, when steering was done by a tiller; moving the tiller to the right had the effect of moving the bow of the ship to the left--hope I'm not confusing you here!

Smith was a passive figure during the sinking, but that's not really mysterious--he'd never before encountered a dire situation like this as captain (the Olympic's collision with HMS Hawke was over pretty quickly) and I'm sure he was feeling guilt and shock at having been responsible for this.

Of course Captain Lord was trying to omit reports of rockets from his log. He had realized the next day that he was tragically near the greatest marine disaster in history and wanted to try to remove all attention from himself. It's also why he claimed that another ship was between Titanic and his own vessel. That's a lot more plausible than a totally unsupported claim that he was a willing participant in a scheme to kill Guggenheim and Astor (I think we can safely rule out Straus after the newspaper articles I mentioned earlier.) Unless someone comes forth with some real evidence showing that Californian was a conspirator, but by now I've learned not to expect anything like that here. Some hard evidence showing Astor/Guggenheim opposed the Federal Reserve Act would be kinda nice, too. One can only hope.
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E.J. Smith was most definitely a Methodist. Funny how I have yet to see a reference to ANY primary sources confirming that John Jacob Astor IV, Benjamin Guggenheim, Isidor Straus, or any of the other wealthy aboard the Titanic had ANY vote on the Federal Reserve Act or indeed any interest in it one way or the other. As fervently as some people here believe this theory, it seems quite odd how little real evidence supporting it is being presented.

It's also interesting that the Jekyll Island meeting in which the Federal Reserve Act in its original form was conceived took place in late 1910, when construction of the Titanic was already well under way. How could the ship have been deliberately built as a murder weapon when she was conceived and designed in 1907, more than three years before the Federal Reserve Act was proposed? Titanic's keel was laid in 1909...
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Where is your prove that E.J. Smith was a methodist!
His mother was...which does not mean he was! (see my previous posts)

John Jacob Astor IV boarded the ship "by accident" on his own title...a classical case of bad luck...he was not on the death list of the bankers...
(see my previous posts)

I will research the other two you mention.

And for the rest, you don`t understand it: iit was not about a DIRECT vote on the bill...they were rich and had there contacts....everywhere, even in congress
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On April 14th (the same date in history as the assassination of Abraham Lincoln) of 1912, the Titanic struck an iceberg and all opposition to the Federal Reserve was eliminated.

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On April 14th (the same date in history as the assassination of Abraham Lincoln) of 1912, the Titanic struck an iceberg and all opposition to the Federal Reserve was eliminated.

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WOW!!!
I did not know that!

As you (may) know, Lincoln, opposed the first tries, by the British, to establish a Federal Bank in America..That was the real reason for the civil war..and that was why he was killed...
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On April 14th (the same date in history as the assassination of Abraham Lincoln) of 1912, the Titanic struck an iceberg and all opposition to the Federal Reserve was eliminated.

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WOW!!!
I did not know that!

As you (may) know, Lincoln, opposed the first tries, by the British, to establish a Federal Bank in America..That was the real reason for the civil war..and that was why he was killed...
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Abraham Lincoln, Why Did He Die

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The Trail of Blood
Abraham Lincoln

Lincoln's Birthday gives us an appropriate opportunity to examine some deep American traditions which may also give us some unusual insights into the "principalities and powers" of Ephesians Chapter 6.

Abraham Lincoln worked valiantly to prevent the Rothschild's attempts to involve themselves in financing the Civil War.

Interestingly, it was the Czar of Russia who provided the needed assistance against the British and French, who were among the driving forces behind the secession of the South and her subsequent financing. Russia intervened by providing naval forces for the Union blockade of the South in European waters, and by letting both countries know that if they attempted to join the Confederacy with military forces, they would also have to go to war with Russia.

The Rothschild interests did succeed, through their agent Treasury Secretary Salmon P. Chase, to force a bill (the National Banking Act) through Congress creating a federally chartered central bank that had the power to issue U.S. Bank Notes. Afterward, Lincoln warned the American people:

"The money power preys upon the nation in time of peace and conspires against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me, and causes me to tremble for the safety of our country. Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the republic is destroyed. "4

Lincoln continued to fight against the central bank, and some now believe that it was his anticipated success in influencing Congress to limit the life of the Bank of the United States to just the war years that was the motivating factor behind his assassination.
The Lone Assassin Myth is Born

Modern researchers have uncovered evidence of a massive conspiracy that links the following parties to the Bank of Rothschild:5 Lincoln's Secretary of War Edwin Stanton, John Wilkes Booth, his eight co-conspirators, and over seventy government officials and businessmen involved in the conspiracy.

When Booth's diary was recovered by Stanton's troops, it was delivered to Stanton. When it was later produced during the investigation, eighteen pages had been ripped out. These pages, containing the aforementioned names,were later found in the attic of one of Stanton's descendants.

From Booth's trunk, a coded message was found that linked him directly to Judah P. Benjamin, the Civil War campaign manager in the South for the House of Rothschild. When the war ended, the key to the code was found in Benjamin's possession.

The assassin, portrayed as a crazed lone gunman with a few radical friends, escaped by way of the only bridge in Washington not guarded by Stanton's troops.

"Booth" was located hiding in a barn near Port Royal, Virginia, three days after escaping from Washington. He was shot by a soldier named Boston Corbett, who fired without orders. Whether or not the man killed was Booth is still a matter of contention, but the fact remains that whoever it was, he had no chance to identify himself. It was Secretary of War Edwin Stanton who made the final identification. Some now believe that a dupe was used and that the real John Wilkes Booth escaped with Stanton's assistance.

Mary Todd Lincoln, upon hearing of her husband's death, began screaming, "Oh, that dreadful house!" Earlier historians felt that this spontaneous utterance referred to the White House. Some now believe it may have been directed to Thomas W. House, a gun runner, financier, and agent of the Rothschild's during the Civil War, who was linked to the anti-Lincoln, pro-banker interests.6
The Federal Reserve

Another myth that all Americans live with is the charade known as the "Federal Reserve." It comes as a shock to many to discover that it is not an agency of the United States Government.

The name "Federal Reserve Bank" was designed to deceive, and it still does. It is not federal, nor is it owned by the government. It is privately owned.7 It pays its own postage like any other corporation. Its employees are not in civil service. Its physical property is held under private deeds, and is subject to local taxation. Government property, as you know, is not.

It is an engine that has created private wealth that is unimaginable, even to the most financially sophisticated. It has enabled an imperial elite to manipulate our economy for its own agenda and enlisted the government itself as its enforcer. It controls the times, dictates business, affects our homes and practically everything in which we are interested.

It takes powerful force to maintain an empire, and this one is no different. The concerns of the leadership of the "Federal Reserve" and its secretive international benefactors appear to go well beyond currency and interest rates.
Andrew Jackson

Andrew Jackson was the first President from west of the Appalachians. He was unique for the times in being elected by the voters, without the direct support of a recognized political organization. He vetoed the renewal of the charter for the Bank of the United States on July 10, 1832.

In 1835, President Andrew Jackson declared his disdain for the international bankers:

"You are a den of vipers. I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning."8

There followed an (unsuccessful) assassination attempt on President Jackson's life. Jackson had told his vice president, Martin Van Buren, "The bank, Mr. Van Buren, is trying to kill me...."9

Was this the beginning of a pattern of intrigue that would plague the White House itself over the coming decades? Was his (and Lincoln's) death related by an invisible thread to the international bankers?
James Garfield

President James Abram Garfield, our 20th President, had previously been Chairman of the House Committee on Appropriations and was an expert on fiscal matters. (Upon his election, among other things, he appointed an unpopular collector of customs at New York, whereupon the two Senators from New York--Roscoe Conkling and Thomas Platt--resigned their seats.)

President Garfield openly declared that whoever controls the supply of currency would control the business and activities of all the people. After only four months in office, President Garfield was shot at a railroad station on July 2, 1881. Another coincidence.
John F. Kennedy

President John F. Kennedy planned to exterminate the Federal Reserve System. In 1963 he signed Executive Orders EO-11 and EO-110, returning to the government the responsibility to print money, taking that privilege away from the Federal Reserve System.10

Shortly thereafter, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated.11 The professional, triangulated fire that executed the President of the United States is not the most shocking issue. The high- level coordination that organized the widespread coverup is manifest evidence of the incredible power of a "hidden government" behind the scenes. (Sound preposterous? Read Kill Zone, by Craig Roberts for an update on the events in Dealey Plaza.)
The Trail of Blood Continues

In the 70's and 80's, Congressman Larry P. McDonald spearheaded efforts to expose the hidden holdings and intentions of the international money interests. His efforts ended on August 31, 1983, when he was killed when Korean Airlines 007 was "accidentally" shot down in Soviet airspace. A strange coincidence, it would seem.

Senator John Heinz and former Senator John Tower had served on powerful Senate banking and finance committees and were outspoken critics of the Federal Reserve and the Eastern Establishment. On April 4, 1991, Senator John Heinz was killed in a plane crash near Philadelphia.12 On the next day, April 5, 1991, former Senator John Tower was also killed in a plane crash. The coincidences seem to mount.13

Attempts to just audit the Federal Reserve continue to meet with failure. It is virtually impossible to muster support for any issue that has the benefit of a media blackout.14 (The bizarre but tragic reality that the American people suffer from a managed and controlled media is a subject for another discussion.)
Beginning of a Series

For many years, numerous authors have attempted to sound the alarm that there exists a hidden "shadow government" that actually rules America. Most of us have dismissed these "conspiracy theory" views as extremist and unrealistic. However, when I had the opportunity to have lunch with Otto von Habsburg,15 Member of the European Parliament, he made two remarks that caught my attention. The first was: "The ignorance in America is overwhelming." Indeed, the contrast in general awareness of world affairs between the average American and the average European is striking.

It was his second observation that really provoked me: "The concentration of power in America is frightening."16 As a reasonably circumspect senior executive, having spent three decades in international finance and viewing America as a broadly based representative democracy, his remark shocked me. It prompted me to do some more homework. The results of my inquiries are most disturbing.

Is the predicted One World Government distant, or is it on the immediate threshold? How would one tell when it is imminent? We will address some of these issues in future articles.
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E.J. Smith was most definitely a Methodist. Funny how I have yet to see a reference to ANY primary sources confirming that John Jacob Astor IV, Benjamin Guggenheim, Isidor Straus, or any of the other wealthy aboard the Titanic had ANY vote on the Federal Reserve Act or indeed any interest in it one way or the other. As fervently as some people here believe this theory, it seems quite odd how little real evidence supporting it is being presented.

It's also interesting that the Jekyll Island meeting in which the Federal Reserve Act in its original form was conceived took place in late 1910, when construction of the Titanic was already well under way. How could the ship have been deliberately built as a murder weapon when she was conceived and designed in 1907, more than three years before the Federal Reserve Act was proposed? Titanic's keel was laid in 1909...


Where is your prove that E.J. Smith was a methodist!
His mother was...which does not mean he was! (see my previous posts)

John Jacob Astor IV boarded the ship "by accident" on his own title...a classical case of bad luck...he was not on the death list of the bankers...
(see my previous posts)

I will research the other two you mention.
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Here is your answer:

On Isidor Straus:

Near tragedy on the seas for Straus Family

[link to www.encyclopedia-titanica.org]

Mr. and Mrs. Isadore Strauss were on board, and occupying one of the suites on the upper deck. Mr. Isadore Strauss was a man much beloved and respected, especially amongst the poor of New York. His charities were unbounded, but he will be chiefly remembered for his establishments, all over the city, for the free supply of pasteurised milk. Any mother could obtain, without any charge or formality, this sterilised milk either for herself or her children.


Well here is your answer...:Isadore Strauss was in favor of the poor, which is a crime in the eyes of the Illuminati, who`s only goal is to rob and enslave the poor...through the FED

Therefore he was a threat to them, because he would never support the act, directly or indirectly..knowing what it`s real purpose was.

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More on Isadore Strauss

Why Isadore Strauss was a threat to the federal reserve bankers:

[link to www.encyclopedia-titanica.org]

From a speech he gave before the Coinage Committee of the House of Representatives in Washington:

"I am a merchant," he said, "'and as such my interest lies entirely with the consumers, not with the banks or with the capitalists. In any fluctuation in the value of the yardstick of commerce, the gold dollar or its equivalent, the banker, the capitalist, and the merchant are amply able to take care of themselves, for from the nature of their calling they foresee to some extent the effect which development may produce, and in commercial matters as well as in physical to be forewarned is to be forearmed. It is the laborer, the mechanic, and the farmer who are apt to be taken unawares, and hence they are the chief sufferers in the variance of the unit of value on which commerce is based.

"There is no greater fallacy than that we in the East are gold bugs because we are capitalists. The capitalist is more frequently a borrower than a lender of money. It is the working classes who are the owners of large amounts of ready money. They have their deposit in savings banks, and in trust companies, and in life insurance companies. Take these moneys and you have to a large extent---probably two-thirds---all the loanable funds that the Eastern cities command. The clamor for more money can be better satisfied by establishing more banks than by coinage of silver."
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E.J. Smith was most definitely a Methodist. Funny how I have yet to see a reference to ANY primary sources confirming that John Jacob Astor IV, Benjamin Guggenheim, Isidor Straus, or any of the other wealthy aboard the Titanic had ANY vote on the Federal Reserve Act or indeed any interest in it one way or the other. As fervently as some people here believe this theory, it seems quite odd how little real evidence supporting it is being presented.

It's also interesting that the Jekyll Island meeting in which the Federal Reserve Act in its original form was conceived took place in late 1910, when construction of the Titanic was already well under way. How could the ship have been deliberately built as a murder weapon when she was conceived and designed in 1907, more than three years before the Federal Reserve Act was proposed? Titanic's keel was laid in 1909...


Where is your prove that E.J. Smith was a methodist!
His mother was...which does not mean he was! (see my previous posts)

John Jacob Astor IV boarded the ship "by accident" on his own title...a classical case of bad luck...he was not on the death list of the bankers...
(see my previous posts)

I will research the other two you mention.


Here is your answer:

On Isidor Straus:

Near tragedy on the seas for Straus Family

[link to www.encyclopedia-titanica.org]

Mr. and Mrs. Isadore Strauss were on board, and occupying one of the suites on the upper deck. Mr. Isadore Strauss was a man much beloved and respected, especially amongst the poor of New York. His charities were unbounded, but he will be chiefly remembered for his establishments, all over the city, for the free supply of pasteurised milk. Any mother could obtain, without any charge or formality, this sterilised milk either for herself or her children.


Well here is your answer...:Isadore Strauss was in favor of the poor, which is a crime in the eyes of the Illuminati, who`s only goal is to rob and enslave the poor...through the FED

Therefore he was a threat to them, because he would never support the act, directly or indirectly..knowing what it`s real purpose was.
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And here is my definitive answer:

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All the wealthy and powerful men the Jesuits wanted to get rid of were invited to take the cruise. Three of the richest and most important of these were Benjamin Guggenheim, Isador Strauss, the head of Macy’s Department Stores, and John Jacob Astor, probably the wealthiest man in the world. Their total wealth, at that time, using dollar values of their day was more than 500 million dollars. Today that amount of money would be worth nearly eleven billion dollars. These three men were coaxed and encouraged to board the floating palace. They had to be destroyed because the Jesuits knew they would use their wealth and influence to oppose a Federal Reserve Bank as well as the various wars that were being planned.

ALSO:

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Three of the richest people in the world opposed the Illuminati/Jesuits' plan to establish a central bank in the United States because they knew what would happend to America if this happened. Alse these people would most likely of also tried to stop the Jesuits's plan to engineer world War I. These three people were Benjamin Guggenheim, Isa Strauss and John Jacob Astor.

The Jesuits were determined to create the Federal Reserve bank in America and so they HAD to somehow get rid of these three people.

This is how the Jesuits did it.....

There were a number of powerful men who were NOT in favor of the Federal Reserve System.

Benjamin Guggenheim, Isa Strauss and John Jacob Astor opposed the formation of a Federal Reserve System. These men were arguably the richest men in the world and stood in the way of the Jesuits'/Illuminati plan.


These three men were coaxed and encouraged to board the Titanic. Not only were these enemies of the Jesuits againts the Federal Reserve Bank, but they would have used their wealth and influence to oppose World War I.
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And here is my definitive answer:

htHere is your answer:

On Isidor Straus:

Near tragedy on the seas for Straus Family

[link to www.encyclopedia-titanica.org]

Mr. and Mrs. Isadore Strauss were on board, and occupying one of the suites on the upper deck. Mr. Isadore Strauss was a man much beloved and respected, especially amongst the poor of New York. His charities were unbounded, but he will be chiefly remembered for his establishments, all over the city, for the free supply of pasteurised milk. Any mother could obtain, without any charge or formality, this sterilised milk either for herself or her children.


Well here is your answer...:Isadore Strauss was in favor of the poor, which is a crime in the eyes of the Illuminati, who`s only goal is to rob and enslave the poor...through the FED

Therefore he was a threat to them, because he would never support the act, directly or indirectly..knowing what it`s real purpose was.
tp://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-472081-t​itanic-conspiracy.html

All the wealthy and powerful men the Jesuits wanted to get rid of were invited to take the cruise. Three of the richest and most important of these were Benjamin Guggenheim, Isador Strauss, the head of Macy’s Department Stores, and John Jacob Astor, probably the wealthiest man in the world. Their total wealth, at that time, using dollar values of their day was more than 500 million dollars. Today that amount of money would be worth nearly eleven billion dollars. These three men were coaxed and encouraged to board the floating palace. They had to be destroyed because the Jesuits knew they would use their wealth and influence to oppose a Federal Reserve Bank as well as the various wars that were being planned.

ALSO:

[link to www.rense.com]

Three of the richest people in the world opposed the Illuminati/Jesuits' plan to establish a central bank in the United States because they knew what would happend to America if this happened. Alse these people would most likely of also tried to stop the Jesuits's plan to engineer world War I. These three people were Benjamin Guggenheim, Isa Strauss and John Jacob Astor.

The Jesuits were determined to create the Federal Reserve bank in America and so they HAD to somehow get rid of these three people.

This is how the Jesuits did it.....

There were a number of powerful men who were NOT in favor of the Federal Reserve System.

Benjamin Guggenheim, Isa Strauss and John Jacob Astor opposed the formation of a Federal Reserve System. These men were arguably the richest men in the world and stood in the way of the Jesuits'/Illuminati plan.


These three men were coaxed and encouraged to board the Titanic. Not only were these enemies of the Jesuits againts the Federal Reserve Bank, but they would have used their wealth and influence to oppose World War I.
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Did you read the NY Times articles I mentioned earlier, showing Straus's support of central banking and of the Federal Reserve? Have you read what I wrote earlier on the history of the Federal Reserve Act? In my earlier post I described how the final form of the Act was a totally different animal from the one originally proposed.

There doesn't appear to be any info so far on how Guggenheim and Astor IV felt about the FED in its original form (the Aldrich Bill). Which makes you wonder where the author of the conspiracy theory got it--if he isn't merely stating his opinion, that is. And I've already shown that it was impossible for the FED to have had any impact on the outbreak of World War I as the 12 Federal Reserve Banks didn't begin operations until 3 months after it started.

Furthermore, what influence did these three men have on Eastern European politics, which began the war via the actions of the Serbian Black Hand? It would be helpful to expand on HOW these 3 multimillionaires proposed to oppose the war, so I can better understand where you're coming from.

The combined wealth of all 325 of Titanic's 1st Class passengers was $500 million dollars. Am I to understand that the Jesuits wanted to kill other people in 1st class besides these three? If so, that makes the theory that much more ridiculous seeing as how these people had the best access to the lifeboats. It would be slightly more sensible if they'd designed the ship to kill the steerage passengers.
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More on Isadore Strauss

Why Isadore Strauss was a threat to the federal reserve bankers:

[link to www.encyclopedia-titanica.org]

From a speech he gave before the Coinage Committee of the House of Representatives in Washington:


The speech you've quoted here is showing Straus's opposition to the Free Silver movement. This is unrelated to the two proposals for the Federal Reserve Act. Basically Straus felt that mass dumping of silver coinage into circulation would be helpful for the poor western and southern states, as it increased inflation, but harmful to HIS interests in the northeast, who were largely the creditors and would thus be hurt by inflation.

Straus was a conservative Democrat--his opposition to Free Silver was not in line with what the party stood for at that time and led to a falling-out between him and the Democratic Party, and with people like William Jennings Bryan, a supporter of Free Silver and later a main opponent of the Federal Reserve.
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And here is my definitive answer:

htHere is your answer:

On Isidor Straus:

Near tragedy on the seas for Straus Family

[link to www.encyclopedia-titanica.org]

Mr. and Mrs. Isadore Strauss were on board, and occupying one of the suites on the upper deck. Mr. Isadore Strauss was a man much beloved and respected, especially amongst the poor of New York. His charities were unbounded, but he will be chiefly remembered for his establishments, all over the city, for the free supply of pasteurised milk. Any mother could obtain, without any charge or formality, this sterilised milk either for herself or her children.


Well here is your answer...:Isadore Strauss was in favor of the poor, which is a crime in the eyes of the Illuminati, who`s only goal is to rob and enslave the poor...through the FED

Therefore he was a threat to them, because he would never support the act, directly or indirectly..knowing what it`s real purpose was.
tp://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-472081-t​itanic-conspiracy.html

All the wealthy and powerful men the Jesuits wanted to get rid of were invited to take the cruise. Three of the richest and most important of these were Benjamin Guggenheim, Isador Strauss, the head of Macy’s Department Stores, and John Jacob Astor, probably the wealthiest man in the world. Their total wealth, at that time, using dollar values of their day was more than 500 million dollars. Today that amount of money would be worth nearly eleven billion dollars. These three men were coaxed and encouraged to board the floating palace. They had to be destroyed because the Jesuits knew they would use their wealth and influence to oppose a Federal Reserve Bank as well as the various wars that were being planned.

ALSO:

[link to www.rense.com]

Three of the richest people in the world opposed the Illuminati/Jesuits' plan to establish a central bank in the United States because they knew what would happend to America if this happened. Alse these people would most likely of also tried to stop the Jesuits's plan to engineer world War I. These three people were Benjamin Guggenheim, Isa Strauss and John Jacob Astor.

The Jesuits were determined to create the Federal Reserve bank in America and so they HAD to somehow get rid of these three people.

This is how the Jesuits did it.....

There were a number of powerful men who were NOT in favor of the Federal Reserve System.

Benjamin Guggenheim, Isa Strauss and John Jacob Astor opposed the formation of a Federal Reserve System. These men were arguably the richest men in the world and stood in the way of the Jesuits'/Illuminati plan.


These three men were coaxed and encouraged to board the Titanic. Not only were these enemies of the Jesuits againts the Federal Reserve Bank, but they would have used their wealth and influence to oppose World War I.


Did you read the NY Times articles I mentioned earlier, showing Straus's support of central banking and of the Federal Reserve? Have you read what I wrote earlier on the history of the Federal Reserve Act? In my earlier post I described how the final form of the Act was a totally different animal from the one originally proposed.

There doesn't appear to be any info so far on how Guggenheim and Astor IV felt about the FED in its original form (the Aldrich Bill). Which makes you wonder where the author of the conspiracy theory got it--if he isn't merely stating his opinion, that is. And I've already shown that it was impossible for the FED to have had any impact on the outbreak of World War I as the 12 Federal Reserve Banks didn't begin operations until 3 months after it started.

Furthermore, what influence did these three men have on Eastern European politics, which began the war via the actions of the Serbian Black Hand? It would be helpful to expand on HOW these 3 multimillionaires proposed to oppose the war, so I can better understand where you're coming from.

The combined wealth of all 325 of Titanic's 1st Class passengers was $500 million dollars. Am I to understand that the Jesuits wanted to kill other people in 1st class besides these three? If so, that makes the theory that much more ridiculous seeing as how these people had the best access to the lifeboats. It would be slightly more sensible if they'd designed the ship to kill the steerage passengers.
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The link you provided to the NY Times article is empty, which proves you are a government paid agent...
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And to prove that you are a government paid agent and that your original link does not mention anything on the titanic...here is your original post, which can be found on page 8:


Oh, crap! You found me out---curses, foiled again! LOL! I wish I were a government-paid agent--excellent pay plus benefits and no accountability!

Seriously, though--the site works on my computer, so it may just be an issue with your machine. I don't care much for the NY Times myself, but registration is free and the archive of articles (going back to 1851) is fascinating and interesting to browse. I was able to read the Straus-related articles without having to register.

I'm still dredging through newspapers from 1900-1912, but haven't yet come up with anything on Ben Guggenheim or JJ Astor IV--still looking though. There's also a biography on Captain Smith out there--I'm waiting to receive it--information on his personal religious affiliation (if any) is elusive. I did find a claim from a fellow Titanic buff that he was a Methodist like his mother, and I'm trying to find that site again, until the book comes. I'd like to know TTM's source on him being a Jesuit.
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I did find, however that there's a large memorial plaque dedicated to Captain Smith at Etruria Methodist Church, which he attended as a boy (he went to sea at the tender age of 13). And the service he presided over on the morning of April 14 on the Titanic was indeed a Church of England service (Titanic: An Illustrated History by Don Lynch). So far, there's a lot more information indicating he was a Methodist, or at least a Protestant, than there is to support his being a Jesuit. The author(s) of the conspiracy theory don't provide any reliable evidence in support of the latter.
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I did find, however that there's a large memorial plaque dedicated to Captain Smith at Etruria Methodist Church, which he attended as a boy (he went to sea at the tender age of 13). And the service he presided over on the morning of April 14 on the Titanic was indeed a Church of England service (Titanic: An Illustrated History by Don Lynch). So far, there's a lot more information indicating he was a Methodist, or at least a Protestant, than there is to support his being a Jesuit. The author(s) of the conspiracy theory don't provide any reliable evidence in support of the latter.
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You mean this:
[link to www.findagrave.com]

But that is no prove..the fact he was burried as a methodist, does not mean he was a methodist.
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You mean this:
[link to www.findagrave.com]

But that is no prove..the fact he was burried as a methodist, does not mean he was a methodist.
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Maybe not conclusively, but it's a hell of a lot more substantial than any of the claims that Smith was a Jesuit. I've seen no evidence yet to suggest that he was. None. It wouldn't even matter if he was, because there's a mountain of other evidence against this theory, which I've outlined earlier.

I'm not saying the Jesuits have been the nicest people in the world historically, but if they wanted someone dead, they could easily have come up with a more direct and discreet way of doing it.
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You mean this:
[link to www.findagrave.com]

But that is no prove..the fact he was burried as a methodist, does not mean he was a methodist.
[/c


Maybe not conclusively, but it's a hell of a lot more substantial than any of the claims that Smith was a Jesuit. I've seen no evidence yet to suggest that he was. None. It wouldn't even matter if he was, because there's a mountain of other evidence against this theory, which I've outlined earlier.

I'm not saying the Jesuits have been the nicest people in the world historically, but if they wanted someone dead, they could easily have come up with a more direct and discreet way of doing it.
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Provide any link that proves that Smith was a methodist..!!
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You mean this:
[link to www.findagrave.com]

But that is no prove..the fact he was burried as a methodist, does not mean he was a methodist.
[/c


Maybe not conclusively, but it's a hell of a lot more substantial than any of the claims that Smith was a Jesuit. I've seen no evidence yet to suggest that he was. None. It wouldn't even matter if he was, because there's a mountain of other evidence against this theory, which I've outlined earlier.

I'm not saying the Jesuits have been the nicest people in the world historically, but if they wanted someone dead, they could easily have come up with a more direct and discreet way of doing it.


Provide any link that proves that Smith was a methodist..!!
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Well..? Where are you..?
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You mean this:
[link to www.findagrave.com]

But that is no prove..the fact he was burried as a methodist, does not mean he was a methodist.
[/c


Maybe not conclusively, but it's a hell of a lot more substantial than any of the claims that Smith was a Jesuit. I've seen no evidence yet to suggest that he was. None. It wouldn't even matter if he was, because there's a mountain of other evidence against this theory, which I've outlined earlier.

I'm not saying the Jesuits have been the nicest people in the world historically, but if they wanted someone dead, they could easily have come up with a more direct and discreet way of doing it.


Provide any link that proves that Smith was a methodist..!!


Well..? Where are you..?
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I'm waiting for you or anyone else to provide proof (primary sources, please) that he was a Jesuit and that he sank the ship on purpose. I've provided quite enough evidence in my posts here and refuse to continue this pointless and time-wasting conversation until I see some coming from you. After all, I'm not the one making these outrageous claims. You are. The burden of proof is therefore on you.
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You mean this:
[link to www.findagrave.com]

But that is no prove..the fact he was burried as a methodist, does not mean he was a methodist.
[/c


Maybe not conclusively, but it's a hell of a lot more substantial than any of the claims that Smith was a Jesuit. I've seen no evidence yet to suggest that he was. None. It wouldn't even matter if he was, because there's a mountain of other evidence against this theory, which I've outlined earlier.

I'm not saying the Jesuits have been the nicest people in the world historically, but if they wanted someone dead, they could easily have come up with a more direct and discreet way of doing it.


Provide any link that proves that Smith was a methodist..!!


Well..? Where are you..?


I'm waiting for you or anyone else to provide proof (primary sources, please) that he was a Jesuit and that he sank the ship on purpose. I've provided quite enough evidence in my posts here and refuse to continue this pointless and time-wasting conversation until I see some coming from you. After all, I'm not the one making these outrageous claims. You are. The burden of proof is therefore on you.
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You still did not provide any link proving Smith was a methodist..The burden of proof is not on my, but on you...since you stated it..
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THE SINKING OF THE TITANIC

Thread: TITANIC SINKING WAS A SATURN OCCULT RITUAL

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When we think of events that have transpired in history over the last one hundred to two hundred years, there are certain events that stand out as ones of great horror, great surprise and great sadness. Of the many that come to mind the most devastating have been the destruction of the the World Trade Center in New York City and the sinking of the Titanic.

The greatest tragedies in the last two hundred years can be traced to the Jesuits. We will now show that the Jesuits planned and carried out the sinking of the Titanic, and we will show why they did it.

Since the early 1830’s, America did not have a central bank. The Jesuits desperately wanted another central bank in America so that they would have a bottomless reservoir from which to draw money for their many wars and other hideous schemes around the world.

In 1910, seven men met on Jekyll Island just off the coast of Georgia to establish a central bank, which they called the Federal Reserve Bank. These men were Nelson Aldrich and Frank Vanderlip, both representing the Rockefeller financial empire; Henry Davison, Charles Norton, and Benjamin Strong, representing J.P. Morgan; and Paul Warburg, representing the Rothschild banking dynasty of Europe. We have already seen that the Rothschilds were the banking agents for the papacy’s Jesuits, holding “the key to the wealth of the Roman Catholic Church.”

The Morgans were friendly competitors with the Rothschilds and became socially close to them. Morgan’s London-based firm was saved from financial ruin in 1857 by the Bank of England over which the Rothschilds held great influence. Thereafter, Morgan appears to have served as a Rothschild financial agent and went to great length to appear totally American....

His [Rockefeller’s] entry into the field was not welcomed by Morgan, and they became fierce competitors. Eventually, they decided to minimize their competition by entering into joint ventures. In the end, they worked together to create a national banking cartel called the Federal Reserve System. — G. Edward Griffin, The Creature from Jekyll Island, American Opinion Publishing, p. 209. (Emphasis supplied).

These three financial families, the Rothschilds, Morgans, and Rockefellers all do the bidding of the Jesuit Order because of Jesuit infiltration in their organizations. They do whatever is necessary to destroy constitutional liberty in America and to bring the pope to world domination. As we look back over the 20th century, we see how successful the Jesuits have been. They have continued to squander the wealth of America and continually attack its great constitution and civil liberties. Daily, the power of the pope in Vatican City increases. One day they will achieve total power again.

The building of the Titanic began in 1909 at a shipyard in Belfast, the capitol of Northern Ireland. Belfast was a Protestant haven and was hated by the Jesuits. World War One began just a few years later.

The Titanic was one of a fleet of ships owned by the White Star Line, an international shipping company.

Banking was not the only business in which Morgan had a strong financial interest. Using his control over the nation’s railroads as financial leverage, he had created an international shipping trust which included Germany’s two largest lines plus one of the two in England, the White Star Lines. — Ibid, p. 246.

There were a number of very rich and powerful men who made it abundantly clear that they were not in favor of the Federal Reserve System. J.P. Morgan was ordered by the Jesuits to build the Titanic. This ‘unsinkable’ ship would serve as the death ship for those who opposed the Jesuits’ plan for a Federal Reserve system.

These rich and powerful men would have been able to block the establishment of the Federal Reserve, and their power and fortunes had to be taken out of their hands. They had to be destroyed by a means so preposterous that no one would suspect that they were murdered, and no one would suspect the Jesuits. The Titanic was the vehicle of their destruction. In order to further shield the papacy and the Jesuits from suspicion, many Irish, French, and Italian Roman Catholics immigrating to the New World were aboard. They were people who were expendable. Protestants from Belfast who wanted to immigrate to the United States were also invited on board.

All the wealthy and powerful men the Jesuits wanted to get rid of were invited to take the cruise. Three of the richest and most important of these were Benjamin Guggenheim, Isador Strauss, the head of Macy’s Department Stores, and John Jacob Astor, probably the wealthiest man in the world. Their total wealth, at that time, using dollar values of their day was more than 500 million dollars. Today that amount of money would be worth nearly eleven billion dollars. These three men were coaxed and encouraged to board the floating palace. They had to be destroyed because the Jesuits knew they would use their wealth and influence to oppose a Federal Reserve Bank as well as the various wars that were being planned.

Edward Smith was the captain of the Titanic. He had been traveling the North Atlantic waters for twenty-six years and was the world’s most experienced master of the North Atlantic routs. He had worked for Jesuit, J.P. Morgan, for many years.

Edward Smith was a ‘Jesuit tempore co-adjator.’ This means that he was not a priest, but he was a Jesuit of the short robe. Jesuits are not necessarily priests. Those who are not priests serve the order through their profession. Anyone could be a Jesuit, and their identity would not be known. Edward Smith served the Jesuit Order in his profession as a sea captain.

Many interesting points about the Titanic are discussed in a videotape made by National Geographic in 1986. The videotape is entitled The Secrets of the Titanic. When the Titanic departed from Southern England on April 10, 1912, Francis Browne, the Jesuit master of Edward Smith, boarded the Titanic. This man was the most powerful Jesuit in all of Ireland and answered directly to the general of the Jesuit Order in Rome. The videotape declares:

A vacationing priest, Father Francis Browne, caught these poignant snapshots of his fellow passengers, most of them on a voyage to eternity. The next day Titanic made her last stop off the coast of Queenstown, Ireland. Here tenders brought out the last passengers; mostly Irish immigrants headed for new homes in America. And here, the lucky Father Browne disembarked.... Father Browne caught Captain Smith peering down from Titanic’s bridge, poised on the brink of destiny. — The Secrets of the Titanic, National Geographic, video tape, 1986.

Here is Jesuit treachery at its finest. The Provincial [Father Francis Browne] boards Titanic, photographs the victims, most assuredly briefs the Captain concerning his oath as a Jesuit, and the following morning bids him farewell. — Eric J. Phelps, Vatican Assassins, Halycon Unified Services, p. 427.

Browne went over with Edward Smith one last time exactly what he was supposed to do in the North Atlantic waters. The Jesuit General told Francis Browne what was to happen; Browne then tells Smith and the rest is history. Edward Smith believed that the Jesuit General

. . . is the god of the [Jesuit] society, and nothing but his electric touch can galvanize their dead corpses into life and action. Until he speaks, they are like serpents coiled up in their wintry graves, lifeless and inactive; but the moment he gives the word of command, each member springs instantaneously to his feet, leaving unfinished whatsoever may have engaged him, ready to assail whomsoever he may require to be assailed, and to strike wheresoever he shall direct a blow to be stricken. — R.W. Thompson, The Footprints of the Jesuits, Hunt and Eaton, pp. 72, 73.

Edward Smith was given an order to sink the Titanic and that is exactly what he did.

By the command of God, [the Jesuit General] it is lawful to murder the innocent, to rob, to commit all lewdness, because he [the Pope] is Lord of life, and death, and of all things; and thus to fulfill his mandate is our duty. — W. C. Brownlee, Secret Instructions of the Jesuits, American and Foreign Christian Union, p. 143.

There is no record in history of an association whose organization has stood for three hundred years unchanged and unaltered by all the assaults of men and time, and which has exercised such an immense influence over the destinies of mankind… ‘The ends justify the means,’ is his favorite maxim; and as his only end, as we have shewn, is the order, at its bidding the Jesuit is ready to commit any crime whatsoever. — G. B. Nicolini, The History of the Jesuits, Henry G. Bohn, pp. 495, 496, emphasis added.

Let us remember the oath that every person takes to become a part of the Jesuit Order:

I should regard myself as a dead body, without will or intelligence, as a little crucifix which is turned about unresistingly at the will of him who holds it as a staff in the hands of an old man, who uses it as he requires it, and as it suits him best. — R. W. Thompson, The Footprints of the Jesuits, Hunt and Eaton, p. 54.

When a person takes the Jesuit Oath, he is bound to his master until the day that he dies. Edward Smith had become a man without will or intelligence. He would commit any crime the Order wanted him to commit. Edward Smith had been required for martyrdom. On board the Titanic that night, Edward Smith knew his duty. He was under oath. The ship had been built for the enemies of the Jesuits. After three days at sea with only one pair of glasses for the bridge, Edward Smith propelled the Titanic full speed ahead, twenty-two knots, on a moonless dark night through a gigantic ice field nearly eighty square miles in area. Edward Smith did this despite at least eight telegrams warning him to be more cautious because he was going too fast.

Did Edward Smith need one caution? No, he had been traveling those waters for twenty-six years. He knew there were icebergs in that area. But eight cautions did not stop this man who was under the Jesuit oath, and under orders to destroy the Titanic.

The absurdity of warning veteran Captain Edward Smith repeatedly on Titanic’s tragic night to slow down is nothing short of preposterous. The fact that Smith never listened or heeded the warnings is insane. He had been given orders from his god in the Vatican, and nothing would turn him from his course.

The encyclopedias paint a very tragic picture of Smith in his last hours. When it came time to give the order to load and lower the lifeboats, Smith wavered and one of his aids had to approach him for the order to be given. Smith’s legendary skills of leadership seem to have left him; he was curiously indecisive and unusually cautious on that fatal night. Are these words to describe a legendary sea captain with 26 years of experience, or are these words to describe a man who was struggling in his mind whether he should do his duty as a sea captain or obey his master who told him to sink the ship?

John Jacob Astor’s wife got into a life boat and was saved, while John Jacob Astor perished in the waters of the North Atlantic. There were not enough lifeboats and many of them were only half full with only women and children.
To prevent nearby freighters from responding with help, the distress flares were white when they should have been red. White flares to passing freighters state that everybody was having a party.

One of the greatest tragedies of the twentieth century, the sinking of the Titanic, lies at the door of the Jesuit Order. The unsinkable ship, the floating palace was created to be the tomb for the wealthy, who opposed the Federal Reserve System. By April, 1912, all opposition to the Federal Reserve was eliminated. In December of 1913, the Federal Reserve System came into being in the United States. Eight months later, the Jesuits had sufficient funding through the Federal Reserve bank to begin World War One.
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The Hundred Years War is now almost over. 1912-3 to 2012.

The takeover is culminating with the temporary ascendancy of London with the 2012 Olympics and Pr William's 30th Bday on the Solstice.
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The Hundred Years War is now almost over. 1912-3 to 2012.

The takeover is culminating with the temporary ascendancy of London with the 2012 Olympics and Pr William's 30th Bday on the Solstice.
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