THE MOST PERFECT CRIME EVER COMMITTED! : The Sinking Of The Titanic 1912, CREATED To Be A Tomb For The Wealthy, Opposing The Federal Reserve Act 1913

And half the lifeboats were removed - unsightly.
High sulfur iron. No metalurgists in 1900?
And upon the death of Morgan - ostensibly whitestar lines owner - was revealed the bulk of the funds actually were Rothchild money. Plans like this may be a decade in fruition.

Alexander Carlisle of Harland & Wolff, the builders of Titanic, wanted to put 32 lifeboats on the ship, but Ismay decided against it, not J.P. Morgan. Yes, the steel used in Titanic was high in sulfur by today's standards, but was among the best available in 1912. Her sister ship Olympic was built with the same steel and she enjoyed a long 20-year career. The Queen Mary was built with identical steel in the 1930s, and she survived a major collision with a cruiser in 1943 (the cruiser sank) and the QM is still afloat today in Long Beach. Metallurgy didn't make leaps and bounds until after World War II.

When Morgan died in 1913, he left about $100,000,000, which was much less than everyone expected. Where's your source that it was Rothschild money?

Who would build watertight bulkheads that were open at the top? The answer is every shipbuilder in the world in 1912. And probably quite a few today. In fact the Titanic's watertight compartment system was better than what the Andrea Doria (built in 1953) had. The Lusitania had a better compartment system than Titanic, yet she sank in only 15 minutes after a torpedo hit.

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Yes. And the 1998 article on Titanic's steel you submitted has since been disproven, based on an investigation of the iceberg damage on the wreck via ultrasound. What they found was that the hull plates had been bent inward, causing rivets to pop at the seams, which admitted seawater and doomed the ship. In other words, although steel of this composition becomes brittle at low temps, it didn't fracture in the iceberg collision, which is amazing, actually.

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It's already been shown though that those rivets were sub- industry standard junk. They were placed along the bow section of the outer hull, stretching the first 5 watertight compartments. 5 flooded compartments on Titanic equaled doom. After that they transition to steel. It could have been a designed crumple zone. Murdoch should have rammed the berg. Instead he dragged the berg straight across this designed weak spot.

His behavior, along with Capt. Smith's that night, was very strange.

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The impact of the collision has been determined at 1,173,000 foot TONS by the US Hydrographic Office. That's enough energy to lift 14 Washington Monuments off the ground at the same time.

As I said before, how do we know for certain that the 48 rivets used in the recent test even came from the hull?

Do you have any idea how difficult it would have been to engineer such a precise collision with an iceberg in pitch blackness? Have you ever been at sea at night in mid-Atlantic with no moon?

What in particular about Smith's and Murdoch's behavior was strange?

As I recall the 'impact' was actually several smaller impacts, and the force of these impacts was distributed along the side of the ship. So does 1,173,000 foot tons distributed along a 300' long section of the ship overcome the combined tensile strength of thousands of rivets made of junk iron? What about as compared to steel?

The impact was more or less continuous, but did intermittent damage, probably due to the ice continuously breaking and crumpling against the hull. As you know, the plates bent, and the rivets popped out. But yes, this force does overcome the strength of the rivets, whether "junk iron" as you claim or not. Compared to steel? There'd be little difference when we're talking about this amount of force being exerted against two so disparate masses. A 500 million ton iceberg against a puny 46,000 ton ship. The object with the smaller mass (much smaller!)will suffer more. Recall the sinking of that Canadian liner last year--she had a modern welded hull, better-constructed and with better materials than Titanic had, yet a much larger mass of ice than her displacement still did her in. This is why we have the International Ice Patrol. There's also very good reason to believe that Titanic grounded on a spur on the iceberg in addition to hitting it on the side of the hull. This caused racking damage from the forward hull section being forced upward by the impact, which caused the bulkhead adjoining the firemans' passage to buckle, resulting in its watertight door not closing all the way. This compartment, according to eyewitness accounts, was otherwise not breached from the side collision. An informative article on this can be found through the messageboard at encyclopediatitanica.com.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, different grade rivets were used for different areas of Titanic and her sisters. Since the scientists quoted in the NY Times article don't specify from which parts of the ship the rivets tested were obtained, I remain skeptical. They could easily be the lowest-grade rivets used for non-load-bearing members in the superstructure, which would be inferior even to the iron rivets used in the bow and stern. I haven't read their book yet, but the fact they didn't feel the need to specify the original location of these rivets in a high-profile article on their experiment is telling. But given the force of impact and the difference in mass I mentioned, it wouldn't have mattered. The rivets would have failed. Period.










Right, you would need help to chart such a course. That help charting a course came from Californian, a ship that was chartered on it's course from England to Boston. The Californian had the means to radio to Capt. Smith the course he would need to maintain in order to encounter the iceberg.

No, I'm talking about AFTER the berg was sighted. Murdoch has ordered full astern on both reciprocating engines (which causes the center screw driven by the turbine to stop, depriving the rudder of the steady flow of water needed to make it effective) yet still has enough maneuverability to engineer the collision in just such a way that the first five compartments will be breached? All this in pitch blackness? I remind you that the berg they hit wasn't one of the white ones you see in pictures; it was a "black berg", one which has capsized in the water and has its slick, dark underside surface on top and is MUCH less visible. The lookouts in the crows' nest have no binoculars to help him hit it correctly, or even see the berg in time. The sea is flat calm, so there aren't even any waves to show the berg at its base. And there's no moon to illuminate the berg from above. By all accounts, less than 40 seconds elapsed between sighting and the collision. Titanic had no searchlights. And Smith wasn't even on the bridge. Murdoch must be an absolute master at seamanship; it's a wonder why he didn't have his own command already, or at least been the Chief Officer in place of Henry Wilde.

By all accounts, only two exchanges ever took place between Titanic and Californian. The first was earlier on April 14 when Californian reported passing ice. The second was around 11:30 PM when Californian attempted to send a message reporting their ship was stopped and surrounded by ice. Chief Wireless Officer Phillips cut this message off though, saying "Shut up, shut up; I'm working Cape Race and you're jamming me." I can't believe any claim of Californian being involved in this conspiracy without hard evidence. I haven't seen ANY of that on this board so far. And insinuations and coincidences do NOT count as evidence.





There is testimony that Murdoch, who was said to have tried to port round the ship to avoid the iceberg, gave the command "hard to starboard". Why? And when exactly?

Smith was said to be in a fog during the whole fiasco.

And Capt. Lord of the Californian tried to omit the reports of the distress rockets that were seen that night.

Murdoch gave the command "hard a'starboard", which in 1912 meant turning the stern to starboard (thus the bow to port), intending to pass the berg on the left, and unwittingly exposing the starboard side to impact. When Titanic came even with the berg, he gave the order hard a'port, (meaning of course to turn the stern to port) intending to try to swing the stern of the ship out of the way of the berg. These commands were a carryover from the days of sail, when steering was done by a tiller; moving the tiller to the right had the effect of moving the bow of the ship to the left--hope I'm not confusing you here!

Smith was a passive figure during the sinking, but that's not really mysterious--he'd never before encountered a dire situation like this as captain (the Olympic's collision with HMS Hawke was over pretty quickly) and I'm sure he was feeling guilt and shock at having been responsible for this.

Of course Captain Lord was trying to omit reports of rockets from his log. He had realized the next day that he was tragically near the greatest marine disaster in history and wanted to try to remove all attention from himself. It's also why he claimed that another ship was between Titanic and his own vessel. That's a lot more plausible than a totally unsupported claim that he was a willing participant in a scheme to kill Guggenheim and Astor (I think we can safely rule out Straus after the newspaper articles I mentioned earlier.) Unless someone comes forth with some real evidence showing that Californian was a conspirator, but by now I've learned not to expect anything like that here. Some hard evidence showing Astor/Guggenheim opposed the Federal Reserve Act would be kinda nice, too. One can only hope.
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E.J. Smith was most definitely a Methodist. Funny how I have yet to see a reference to ANY primary sources confirming that John Jacob Astor IV, Benjamin Guggenheim, Isidor Straus, or any of the other wealthy aboard the Titanic had ANY vote on the Federal Reserve Act or indeed any interest in it one way or the other. As fervently as some people here believe this theory, it seems quite odd how little real evidence supporting it is being presented.

It's also interesting that the Jekyll Island meeting in which the Federal Reserve Act in its original form was conceived took place in late 1910, when construction of the Titanic was already well under way. How could the ship have been deliberately built as a murder weapon when she was conceived and designed in 1907, more than three years before the Federal Reserve Act was proposed? Titanic's keel was laid in 1909...

On April 14th (the same date in history as the assassination of Abraham Lincoln) of 1912, the Titanic struck an iceberg and all opposition to the Federal Reserve was eliminated.

Bastards

On April 14th (the same date in history as the assassination of Abraham Lincoln) of 1912, the Titanic struck an iceberg and all opposition to the Federal Reserve was eliminated.

Bastards


WOW!!!
I did not know that!

As you (may) know, Lincoln, opposed the first tries, by the British, to establish a Federal Bank in America..That was the real reason for the civil war..and that was why he was killed...

E.J. Smith was most definitely a Methodist. Funny how I have yet to see a reference to ANY primary sources confirming that John Jacob Astor IV, Benjamin Guggenheim, Isidor Straus, or any of the other wealthy aboard the Titanic had ANY vote on the Federal Reserve Act or indeed any interest in it one way or the other. As fervently as some people here believe this theory, it seems quite odd how little real evidence supporting it is being presented.

It's also interesting that the Jekyll Island meeting in which the Federal Reserve Act in its original form was conceived took place in late 1910, when construction of the Titanic was already well under way. How could the ship have been deliberately built as a murder weapon when she was conceived and designed in 1907, more than three years before the Federal Reserve Act was proposed? Titanic's keel was laid in 1909...


Where is your prove that E.J. Smith was a methodist!
His mother was...which does not mean he was! (see my previous posts)

John Jacob Astor IV boarded the ship "by accident" on his own title...a classical case of bad luck...he was not on the death list of the bankers...
(see my previous posts)

I will research the other two you mention.

E.J. Smith was most definitely a Methodist. Funny how I have yet to see a reference to ANY primary sources confirming that John Jacob Astor IV, Benjamin Guggenheim, Isidor Straus, or any of the other wealthy aboard the Titanic had ANY vote on the Federal Reserve Act or indeed any interest in it one way or the other. As fervently as some people here believe this theory, it seems quite odd how little real evidence supporting it is being presented.

It's also interesting that the Jekyll Island meeting in which the Federal Reserve Act in its original form was conceived took place in late 1910, when construction of the Titanic was already well under way. How could the ship have been deliberately built as a murder weapon when she was conceived and designed in 1907, more than three years before the Federal Reserve Act was proposed? Titanic's keel was laid in 1909...


Where is your prove that E.J. Smith was a methodist!
His mother was...which does not mean he was! (see my previous posts)

John Jacob Astor IV boarded the ship "by accident" on his own title...a classical case of bad luck...he was not on the death list of the bankers...
(see my previous posts)

I will research the other two you mention.


Here is your answer:

On Isidor Straus:

Near tragedy on the seas for Straus Family

[link to www.encyclopedia-titanica.org]

Mr. and Mrs. Isadore Strauss were on board, and occupying one of the suites on the upper deck. Mr. Isadore Strauss was a man much beloved and respected, especially amongst the poor of New York. His charities were unbounded, but he will be chiefly remembered for his establishments, all over the city, for the free supply of pasteurised milk. Any mother could obtain, without any charge or formality, this sterilised milk either for herself or her children.


Well here is your answer...:Isadore Strauss was in favor of the poor, which is a crime in the eyes of the Illuminati, who`s only goal is to rob and enslave the poor...through the FED

Therefore he was a threat to them, because he would never support the act, directly or indirectly..knowing what it`s real purpose was.

And here is my definitive answer:

htHere is your answer:

On Isidor Straus:

Near tragedy on the seas for Straus Family

[link to www.encyclopedia-titanica.org]

Mr. and Mrs. Isadore Strauss were on board, and occupying one of the suites on the upper deck. Mr. Isadore Strauss was a man much beloved and respected, especially amongst the poor of New York. His charities were unbounded, but he will be chiefly remembered for his establishments, all over the city, for the free supply of pasteurised milk. Any mother could obtain, without any charge or formality, this sterilised milk either for herself or her children.


Well here is your answer...:Isadore Strauss was in favor of the poor, which is a crime in the eyes of the Illuminati, who`s only goal is to rob and enslave the poor...through the FED

Therefore he was a threat to them, because he would never support the act, directly or indirectly..knowing what it`s real purpose was.
tp://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-47208​1-titanic-conspiracy.html

All the wealthy and powerful men the Jesuits wanted to get rid of were invited to take the cruise. Three of the richest and most important of these were Benjamin Guggenheim, Isador Strauss, the head of Macy’s Department Stores, and John Jacob Astor, probably the wealthiest man in the world. Their total wealth, at that time, using dollar values of their day was more than 500 million dollars. Today that amount of money would be worth nearly eleven billion dollars. These three men were coaxed and encouraged to board the floating palace. They had to be destroyed because the Jesuits knew they would use their wealth and influence to oppose a Federal Reserve Bank as well as the various wars that were being planned.

ALSO:

[link to www.rense.com]

Three of the richest people in the world opposed the Illuminati/Jesuits' plan to establish a central bank in the United States because they knew what would happend to America if this happened. Alse these people would most likely of also tried to stop the Jesuits's plan to engineer world War I. These three people were Benjamin Guggenheim, Isa Strauss and John Jacob Astor.

The Jesuits were determined to create the Federal Reserve bank in America and so they HAD to somehow get rid of these three people.
This is how the Jesuits did it.....

There were a number of powerful men who were NOT in favor of the Federal Reserve System.

Benjamin Guggenheim, Isa Strauss and John Jacob Astor opposed the formation of a Federal Reserve System. These men were arguably the richest men in the world and stood in the way of the Jesuits'/Illuminati plan.

These three men were coaxed and encouraged to board the Titanic. Not only were these enemies of the Jesuits againts the Federal Reserve Bank, but they would have used their wealth and influence to oppose World War I.

And here is my definitive answer:

htHere is your answer:

On Isidor Straus:

Near tragedy on the seas for Straus Family

[link to www.encyclopedia-titanica.org]

Mr. and Mrs. Isadore Strauss were on board, and occupying one of the suites on the upper deck. Mr. Isadore Strauss was a man much beloved and respected, especially amongst the poor of New York. His charities were unbounded, but he will be chiefly remembered for his establishments, all over the city, for the free supply of pasteurised milk. Any mother could obtain, without any charge or formality, this sterilised milk either for herself or her children.


Well here is your answer...:Isadore Strauss was in favor of the poor, which is a crime in the eyes of the Illuminati, who`s only goal is to rob and enslave the poor...through the FED

Therefore he was a threat to them, because he would never support the act, directly or indirectly..knowing what it`s real purpose was.
tp://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-47208​1-titanic-conspiracy.html

All the wealthy and powerful men the Jesuits wanted to get rid of were invited to take the cruise. Three of the richest and most important of these were Benjamin Guggenheim, Isador Strauss, the head of Macy’s Department Stores, and John Jacob Astor, probably the wealthiest man in the world. Their total wealth, at that time, using dollar values of their day was more than 500 million dollars. Today that amount of money would be worth nearly eleven billion dollars. These three men were coaxed and encouraged to board the floating palace. They had to be destroyed because the Jesuits knew they would use their wealth and influence to oppose a Federal Reserve Bank as well as the various wars that were being planned.

ALSO:

[link to www.rense.com]

Three of the richest people in the world opposed the Illuminati/Jesuits' plan to establish a central bank in the United States because they knew what would happend to America if this happened. Alse these people would most likely of also tried to stop the Jesuits's plan to engineer world War I. These three people were Benjamin Guggenheim, Isa Strauss and John Jacob Astor.

The Jesuits were determined to create the Federal Reserve bank in America and so they HAD to somehow get rid of these three people.
This is how the Jesuits did it.....

There were a number of powerful men who were NOT in favor of the Federal Reserve System.

Benjamin Guggenheim, Isa Strauss and John Jacob Astor opposed the formation of a Federal Reserve System. These men were arguably the richest men in the world and stood in the way of the Jesuits'/Illuminati plan.

These three men were coaxed and encouraged to board the Titanic. Not only were these enemies of the Jesuits againts the Federal Reserve Bank, but they would have used their wealth and influence to oppose World War I.


Did you read the NY Times articles I mentioned earlier, showing Straus's support of central banking and of the Federal Reserve? Have you read what I wrote earlier on the history of the Federal Reserve Act? In my earlier post I described how the final form of the Act was a totally different animal from the one originally proposed.

There doesn't appear to be any info so far on how Guggenheim and Astor IV felt about the FED in its original form (the Aldrich Bill). Which makes you wonder where the author of the conspiracy theory got it--if he isn't merely stating his opinion, that is. And I've already shown that it was impossible for the FED to have had any impact on the outbreak of World War I as the 12 Federal Reserve Banks didn't begin operations until 3 months after it started.

Furthermore, what influence did these three men have on Eastern European politics, which began the war via the actions of the Serbian Black Hand? It would be helpful to expand on HOW these 3 multimillionaires proposed to oppose the war, so I can better understand where you're coming from.

The combined wealth of all 325 of Titanic's 1st Class passengers was $500 million dollars. Am I to understand that the Jesuits wanted to kill other people in 1st class besides these three? If so, that makes the theory that much more ridiculous seeing as how these people had the best access to the lifeboats. It would be slightly more sensible if they'd designed the ship to kill the steerage passengers.

I did find, however that there's a large memorial plaque dedicated to Captain Smith at Etruria Methodist Church, which he attended as a boy (he went to sea at the tender age of 13). And the service he presided over on the morning of April 14 on the Titanic was indeed a Church of England service (Titanic: An Illustrated History by Don Lynch). So far, there's a lot more information indicating he was a Methodist, or at least a Protestant, than there is to support his being a Jesuit. The author(s) of the conspiracy theory don't provide any reliable evidence in support of the latter.