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Based on your rather terse interpretation of what Clif is doing, I come to the conclusion that Clif is taking page upon page of unrelated phrases gleaned out of context from multiple sites (they are out of context because he's not using the full context) then throwing his significant bias into the the interpretation.

Essentially, he is coming up with his own bullshit - just like Nancy uses her bias to warp what's going on in the world to fit her "poleshift" beliefs.

Basically, it's ALL BULLSHIT!

...and you're gullible enough to send him money for his snakeoil interpretations of world events.
 Quoting: bob_909


Yep, Clif's method is as about as reliable as the Bible Code. And then there's Harold Camping who used his own method of interpreting the Bible and using math. We know how that worked out - every one of his doomsday predictions FAILED miserably.
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He has assigned an "emotional value" to about 300,000 words..
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


First of all, I don't think he's actually going to all that trouble to simply recycle what appears here and on other similar sites.

But let's say your description is valid. That still means he is choosing the words he wants for his reports. If you search the web for "Justin Bieber" "American Idol" and "orgasm" that's what you're going to find. If you search for "war" "disease" and "famine" that's what you're going to find.

So what is the basis for assigning "terrorist" higher emotional value than "Justin Bieber" other than personal bias?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3559821


So what is the basis for assigning "terrorist" higher emotional value than "Justin Bieber" other than personal bias?

First of all - he filters out "names" as primary search keys. But a name might come up if the spyder finds a phrase like "Justin Bieber supports the war on terror", while looking for the words "war" and "terror", and if that phrase appeared in some 14 year old girl's blog, and not an API news release (those get filtered too, so that the release is searched only once, even though it might appear 300 times on different news sites.) Also note the appearance of TWO highly emotional words "war" and "terror" would garner extra attention for the phrase.

Yes - there would be some degree of "personal bias" involved, but certainly the word "terrorist" would get a higher emotional value than the word "cantelope".

But even if "Justin Bieber" comes up that way, he won't use his name in a "shape report".

Yes, rational minds can differ about whether the word "terrorist" should get a higher emotional value than the word "genocide" - but not whether it gets a higher value than the word "sconce".

There is method to his madness.

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Based on your rather terse interpretation of what Clif is doing, I come to the conclusion that Clif is taking page upon page of unrelated phrases gleaned out of context from multiple sites (they are out of context because he's not using the full context) then throwing his significant bias into the the interpretation.

Essentially, he is coming up with his own bullshit - just like Nancy uses her bias to warp what's going on in the world to fit her "poleshift" beliefs.

Basically, it's ALL BULLSHIT!

...and you're gullible enough to send him money for his snakeoil interpretations of world events.
 Quoting: bob_909


Yep, Clif's method is as about as reliable as the Bible Code. And then there's Harold Camping who used his own method of interpreting the Bible and using math. We know how that worked out - every one of his doomsday predictions FAILED miserably.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


That would be your OPINION - but I note that you present it as FACT. And it seems rather obvious that debunkers have been spinning the idea that "opinions" presented as "FACTS" are in "fact" LIES.

ULY

So rather than trying to pass final judgment on the "conversation" (such that it is), can you just FOR ONCE answer a simple question?

All humans are "psychic" - whether they know it or not.

So before we go ANY further - do you accept or reject that premise????

I'll even settle for a "don't know".

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And it seems rather obvious that debunkers have been spinning the idea that "opinions" presented as "FACTS" are in "fact" LIES.


 Quoting: **ZetaMax**



What does that mean? Seriously.

Clif himself has used the word "lies" to describe what he is doing.

No spinning involved from skeptics.
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That would be your OPINION - but I note that you present it as FACT. And it seems rather obvious that debunkers have been spinning the idea that "opinions" presented as "FACTS" are in "fact" LIES.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


I did no such thing - you simply ASSume that I am. But let's not forget the many things YOU'VE tried to pass off as fact - such as your claim about palm fronds being found in the Artic. You even said you were going to present evidence to support that but never did. Shall I list some other examples?
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Some people just don't respond to "please". You know, it seems to me that one of the "tasks" a PAID SHILL would be expected to perform, is to advocate a passive approach to ALL aggression - no matter how obvious, forceful or violent.
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It's amazing how that can be used to describe Nancy Lieder and so many other failed doomsday cult leaders.
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Some people just don't respond to "please". You know, it seems to me that one of the "tasks" a PAID SHILL would be expected to perform, is to advocate a passive approach to ALL aggression - no matter how obvious, forceful or violent.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


It's amazing how that can be used to describe Nancy Lieder and so many other failed doomsday cult leaders.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Why do you REFUSE to answer my simple question about whether humans are "psychic" or not?


AFRAID????
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Why do you REFUSE to answer my simple question about whether humans are "psychic" or not?


AFRAID????

 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


I didn't see anything that indicated you addressed that question specifically to me. Why do YOU refuse to answer questions that are posed to you? Why do you refuse to provide that evidence about palm fronds being found in the Artic?

AFRAID????

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No - I was referring to March 2nd; in fact the ENTIRE month of March.

By April 1st, the continuation of our way of life will be in extreme jeopardy. Clif says by June, CHAOS reins.

 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

What a surprise! He's pushing back the date or extending his predictions of doom - just like Nancy. And, no surprise here either, you're buying it.

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BAN MELFY!!!!
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It definitly won't be choice 4 When Zetatalk "chat" retires from GLP. Nancys Planet x prediction failed in 2003 yet they're still here and have plenty of followers.
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Thats because there is an endless supply of utter and complete FUCKHEADS on this planet..and PLENTY of DOGS!
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That is precisely the kind of "cherry picking" I would expect from a paid shill, or one who's mind is already made up about someone, and who goes fishing for tidbits - taken COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT - to "support" their position.

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That is EXACTLY what Clif is doing. You couldn't have described it better!
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It definitly won't be choice 4 When Zetatalk "chat" retires from GLP. Nancys Planet x prediction failed in 2003 yet they're still here and have plenty of followers.
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Thats because there is an endless supply of utter and complete FUCKHEADS on this planet..and PLENTY of DOGS!
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Hmm, I would say that your post is "self-referential".
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Even Gandhi <>
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Now you're comparing HIgh to Gandhi?
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Even Gandhi <>
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Now you're comparing HIgh to Gandhi?
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Of course. My question for YOU is, why should Clif be held to an even HIGHER standard than Gandhi??

YOU are the one critizing him for inconsistency on the non-violent question.
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No - I was referring to March 2nd; in fact the ENTIRE month of March.

By April 1st, the continuation of our way of life will be in extreme jeopardy. Clif says by June, CHAOS reins.

 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

What a surprise! He's pushing back the date or extending his predictions of doom - just like Nancy. And, no surprise here either, you're buying it.

omg
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 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Clif's radio schedule for his next two appearances:

February 22, 2012 - 4 to 6pm pst with Bill Xam, at Surrounded by Idiots Radio .

February 26, 2012 - 6 to 9pm pst with James Aurthur Jancik (the hottest foot in radio).

FIVE FULL HOURS OF CLIF!!!!!

Mexcited Mexcited Mexcited Mexcited Mexcited

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Even Gandhi <>
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Now you're comparing HIgh to Gandhi?
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Of course. My question for YOU is, why should Clif be held to an even HIGHER standard than Gandhi??

YOU are the one critizing him for inconsistency on the non-violent question.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


And, of course, Gandhi was responding to 200 years of actual occupation of his country by a foreign nation.

Clif is not only erratic in his statements, he is threatening violence against imaginary "masons, illuminati, [amd] agents of rome."

Once again, quite arguably a symptom of some sort of mental illness.
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Even Gandhi <>
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Now you're comparing HIgh to Gandhi?
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Of course. My question for YOU is, why should Clif be held to an even HIGHER standard than Gandhi??

YOU are the one critizing him for inconsistency on the non-violent question.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


And, of course, Gandhi was responding to 200 years of actual occupation of his country by a foreign nation.

Clif is not only erratic in his statements, he is threatening violence against imaginary "masons, illuminati, [amd] agents of rome."

Once again, quite arguably a symptom of some sort of mental illness.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3559821


>> imaginary "masons, illuminati, [amd] agents of rome."

Seriously? You've got to be kidding!

dwagain

His threats are clearly aimed at the REPTILIANS.

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BAN MELFY!!!!
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offtopic
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And that is the best reason to ban your lying, trolling ass!
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BAN MELFY!!!!
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offtopic
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And that is the best reason to ban your lying, trolling ass!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4832919


The Zetas via their emissary Nancy Lieder endorsed Clif and his work and said that it had an accuracy track record. Therefore, Clif is definitely ON TOPIC.
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>> imaginary "masons, illuminati, [amd] agents of rome."

Seriously? You've got to be kidding!


 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


There is no masonic conspiracy for world domination and there is zero evidence of the continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati beyond the 18th century.

Not as much fun as the GLP paradigm but it's the truth.
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BAN MELFY!!!!
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offtopic
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And that is the best reason to ban your lying, trolling ass!
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The Zetas via their emissary Nancy Lieder endorsed Clif and his work and said that it had an accuracy track record. Therefore, Clif is definitely ON TOPIC.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


BAN melty FOR LYING, TROLLING AND IN GENERAL BEING AN ASSHOLE!!!
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And that is the best reason to ban your lying, trolling ass!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4832919


The Zetas via their emissary Nancy Lieder endorsed Clif and his work and said that it had an accuracy track record. Therefore, Clif is definitely ON TOPIC.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


BAN melty FOR LYING, TROLLING AND IN GENERAL BEING AN ASSHOLE!!!
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Name ONE single "lie" I have told - I DARE YOU!!!!!
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>> imaginary "masons, illuminati, [amd] agents of rome."

Seriously? You've got to be kidding!


 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


There is no masonic conspiracy for world domination and there is zero evidence of the continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati beyond the 18th century.

Not as much fun as the GLP paradigm but it's the truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3559821


Really now - tell me, just "how" do you go about telling such a LIE and looking at yourself in the mirror??
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 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


There is no masonic conspiracy for world domination and there is zero evidence of the continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati beyond the 18th century.

Not as much fun as the GLP paradigm but it's the truth.


Really now - tell me, just "how" do you go about telling such a LIE and looking at yourself in the mirror??


I have trouble looking in the mirror and seeing an old man but it has nothing to do with telling lies. :)

What you are holding onto is an unexamined belief, just like a Catholic believing in the Virgin Birth without ever questioning it simply because that was what they were taught as children.
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And that is the best reason to ban your lying, trolling ass!
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The Zetas via their emissary Nancy Lieder endorsed Clif and his work and said that it had an accuracy track record. Therefore, Clif is definitely ON TOPIC.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


BAN melty FOR LYING, TROLLING AND IN GENERAL BEING AN ASSHOLE!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4832919


Name ONE single "lie" I have told - I DARE YOU!!!!!
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Try your "Bridget" stunt, or your claim that debunkers re paid. Pure, baldfaced lies and trollery!
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BAN MELFY!!!!
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offtopic
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And that is the best reason to ban your lying, trolling ass!
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The Zetas via their emissary Nancy Lieder endorsed Clif and his work and said that it had an accuracy track record. Therefore, Clif is definitely ON TOPIC.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


But we already have established that Nancy Lieder is full of shit. Hap has had his steak and Melfy is 150 clams down. That is the topic of this thread. Clif has nothing to do with it. And if Nancy endorses Clif, that's another strike against him. The only difference between Clif and Nancy is that Clif made quite a bit more money off his scam than she ever did. I don't know about the rest of the debunkers, but I couldn't give a fig about Clif. I think Max wants TLR to change the name of the thread to something like "ZetaMax trolls for attention", since he always tries to make it about him and his current flavour of doom. That's a thread I don't want to be a part of.
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And that is the best reason to ban your lying, trolling ass!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4832919


The Zetas via their emissary Nancy Lieder endorsed Clif and his work and said that it had an accuracy track record. Therefore, Clif is definitely ON TOPIC.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


But we already have established that Nancy Lieder is full of shit. Hap has had his steak and Melfy is 150 clams down. That is the topic of this thread. Clif has nothing to do with it. And if Nancy endorses Clif, that's another strike against him. The only difference between Clif and Nancy is that Clif made quite a bit more money off his scam than she ever did. I don't know about the rest of the debunkers, but I couldn't give a fig about Clif. I think Max wants TLR to change the name of the thread to something like "ZetaMax trolls for attention", since he always tries to make it about him and his current flavour of doom. That's a thread I don't want to be a part of.
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A VERY good reason to ban his lying, trolling, pathologically stupid ass!
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The Zetas via their emissary Nancy Lieder endorsed Clif and his work and said that it had an accuracy track record. Therefore, Clif is definitely ON TOPIC.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


BAN melty FOR LYING, TROLLING AND IN GENERAL BEING AN ASSHOLE!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4832919


Name ONE single "lie" I have told - I DARE YOU!!!!!
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Try your "Bridget" stunt, or your claim that debunkers re paid. Pure, baldfaced lies and trollery!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4832919


The "stunt" you refer to is the only thing you can come up with? Please explain how that is any worse than the OP's using a script to up the view count - for which he got banned, and the view count slashed to a number probably less than the actual one? Yet he was re-admitted, and still is the OP for this thread. However, I suspect that the banning you call for is a permanent one. Please explain how that is "fair"? As for debunkers being paid, there ARE paid debunkers - the DOD has admitted such, and it is known that many are employed as contractors by public relations firms under contract with said agency. This is not speculation. What *is* speculation is whether any of them show up HERE - in this thread. Suggesting that one of them might from time to time is not "lying".

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