Were You Part Of The "Mentally Gifted Minds" Program In California Scools back in the 70's?

email to his mom just now:

thank you. it is all downstairs by the door.

i wish you would acknowledge what he said about the gate program.

i personally have met through very interesting circumstances, another man who went through it....and i just got off the phone with a good friend of mine who did too. BOTH of them say exactly the same thing gus did....exactly....and gus called to you and his dad for help. what he went through was real, he is NOT crazy, and the fact that his dearest loved ones called him that and refused to talk to him about it is honestly what put him over the edge.

think about it.

your son was an incredibly honest, good person, a very rare thing to find. he was NOT crazy. i wish you had given him some real support. the letter from his dad calling him crazy was very bad for him...the fact that max turned him away at his door, after telling the police he would be safe at his house, was devastating. and sebastians lack of connection? i am disgusted. i would never, ever do that to my loved one, a father, mother, son or daughter.

what gus was going through was NOT paranoid delusion, or schizophrenia. it was very real and you ALL chose to ignore him and say he was crazy. well i had a mom like that too. and it has taken me 43 years of healing and peace-finding to come to terms with it. gus spoke to me about very deep personal things...and i wish he had been able to share them with you. because he wanted so badly just to have it acknowledged.

you have the email.

(see above post for contents of this)


if you had responded with empathy, he would not be gone now.


so have max come and get his stuff and let's be done. deal with what you did.

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to P

There is no point in communicating with anyone. I have tried to explain to you on the phone exactly what was going on here with work and with the memories I have recovered from my early years in the MGM/GATE program. It all pretty much fits together as a puzzle from my recent experiences at Intel and with other events in my life. You cannot ignore anymore that this country is controlled by sick people who will stop at nothing to get what they want. I have done so much research on the MGM/GATE program, the people who developed it, and what their true intentions were for identifying children back then and basically shattering their minds/personalities because of certain traits they possessed beyond just having a high IQ. These things included having an innate sense of justice in this world and treating all people regardless of race, gender, etc. as all important in this world. I would never have believed this until I began recovering memories of what they did to me in that classroom back in 1974-1976. Other people have recovered memories also, but they have set the system up so that anyone who does remember will look like they are crazy. These programs are connected to MKULTRA which was a real mind control program that existed within the CIA. You can google it. There were even congressional hearings in the early 70s on this. I am not going to go into details because there is no point anymore nor would you or dad listen to it and take it seriously.

So, as for my experiences at Intel. Intel is a cover organization for the CIA. They hired me because they basically brought me in to reshatter my mind with the same bullshit used on me in the MGM/GATE program. They made four very psychological threats of death against me. First was a conference room with taped Xs on the floor behind each chair upon which my boss made comments about it looking like it was setup for a killing in there. Second was during a teleconference meeting where they played train noises in the background when there were no trains anywhere near the office where the other person was. Third was another teleconference meeting where they had a person on one of the phone lines sounding like they were being strangled to death. Fourth was in the hallways prior to a meeting where a guy said “If he doesn’t do what I say, I will just have him killed”.



We have tried to call you and you do not called back. And M has said he has tried to contact you and cannot reach you, if you are having problems and need help call your Brother and he can try and get you help. People are there to help you if you ask, we all have problems from time to time. I can understand you not contacting me or your Dad but I do not understand you not contacting T or F, they are worried ! You are their Dad they have bonded with you from the day of their birth ! They love you so much and it hurts them not knowing if you are OK, so please contact them or your Brother so someone will know you are OK. Love, Mom

do you people even fucking care about this??????

HELP! this shit is so fucking real!

i just got off the phone with an ex...never thought to ask if he was in the gifted but i did today...yes he was...he totally confirmed everything i asked based on what my lover said to me before he killed himself....everything i had already had confirmed....everything confirmed here...NONE of it mentioned before conversation....all of it just casual questions...all of it totally validated....

don't you even want to get some answers?

my lover said many like him had killed themselves....yet here you are...tell me how you fucking dealt with it!

and you all just don't fucking care that these people have ruined lives and are committing suicide?

fucking HELP!!!!!!!! jesus fucking christ!!!!!!

posting elsewhere, got a response from a very close and wonderful friend:

yes yes yes, they tried to get me in gate when I was in elementary school when I moved from the bay area Catholic school to the central valley.I was put in a special class for my reading skills with one other boy. He was troubled and I wish I could ask him more questions about his experience. The teacher tried to come unto me a number of times and he was finally removed for beating up a student. I believe I was spared because being abused from a friend of the family I didn't need anymore, I was at a turning point and embracing the Anarchic lifestyle and no longer trusting of authrority. They try to look for cues to see how much they can turn the screw in your head. Since I already lost my innocence, I was not a good canidate as others who hadn't yet experienced the lack boundries. I am praying for gus and I hope he is just hiding off the grid somewhere. I wasn't aware of my dossier till after I moved back and dated someone whose mother worked for the CIA. She asked my name and after that, my bf was gone from our house. Makes you wonder. It is interesting that men seem to get the worst of it as you mention they seem to be the consistant victims of these experiments. God bless gus and your friends, I hope they can heal from this!

..in this corner of Va in the late 80's, the term I heard was, 'enrichment'. There were 3-4 of us at the time. No special classroom, unless considering a stair-well leading to a supply area at the top of the school, special. The other kids seemed to know why they were there, but I did not. I have never felt 'smart'. Logical, maybe. This was my 3rd grade year.. next step was to enroll in a program called 'Plato' at one of the nearby elem. schools. I thought it was 'play-dough' or something, and remember thinking it didn't especially sound like something for 'gifted' kids. Until someone explained it to me.. evidently, $ was an 'issue' to enroll in this program, which still does not make sense to me, considering my mother and I were 'approached', not the other way around.. so, back to normal classes and fast forward a bit to my first year of mid. school.. In the 6th grade I took the standardized tests like everyone else, and scored above 97% in all 5 categories. Even snagged a couple of 99's. So, in the 7th grade I was prompted to take the SATs at the nearby HS, with again, 3-4 (not the same ones as before) students in my class. I remember for some reason our results were not an actual score, but a percentage correct. This was explained, but I don't remember why. So, I scored 1/3 correct, if I remember. I know I remember thinking that didn't sound like a very good score at all. Evidently, it was a good enough score for me to begin receiving letters from Johns Hopkins U, in the 8th grade. Once again, I was told, $ was an issue..

So, now I'm almost 33, and a total mess.. never took the SATs in HS. Never applied to or attended any colleges. My work record is shit. I'm semi-disabled (ankylosing spondylitis). I have no life to speak of. I live in a shittly old trailer from '69. I have no money with which to do anything. And I have developed somewhat of an aversion to societal conformities. I don't know what to do. I don't really enjoy life, and it's difficult for me to obtain pleasure, or excitement, etc. from the every-day things that 'normal' people do.

'Neglect' is a prominent word in the back of my mind. I feel like it was done to the person I was 'supposed' to be for so long, and now I am doing it to the rest of what remains. I stay to myself to avoid ridicule, confrontation, and really all things 'external'. I am so lost. But some would say, "Who the hell isn't!?!"
Oh well..

I'm sorry you're going through such a tough time.
It's hard when someone close to us takes their life, especially when there are unresolved issues with the family.

Personally, I take things one day at a time.

another early 80's soCal GATE program kid here. was tested in 3rd grade & was switched over to the gifted class. had a great teacher, extra curricular activities, a computer in our class, was challenged for the first time academically. good times.

then we moved to another district where they didn't have a GATE program. it was "high achievers" & AP classes which isn't the same. subsequently i was bored with school ever since. i have made it a hobby to spot & coagulate with other people who appear gifted or advanced to me. though few seem to want to team up & stage a revolution, so it's mostly for personal entertainment. i think it's interesting how some people seem to excel tremendously in a specific area, while others are "above average" on a broad spectrum of stuff.



Last Edited by metaball on 10/19/2012 06:21 PM

What do you want from us? We've been trying to get answers and we've been making some headway, I think. You must've missed my post telling you to look at the past few pages of links and info that we have been finding.

Yes, there is a higher suicide and drug/alcohol abuse rate for those who were in the gifted program. Many of my friends are gifted and have had longstanding issues with depression, suicide attempts, drug abuse, masochism and more. Some of us ended up in jails even with probably zero hope of ever recovering any sort of sanity or closure, whichever it be. I've attempted suicide twice. Who do you think you're talking to? People that don't know suffering? We KNOW suffering and I guarantee that most of us know suffering very well and firsthand.

How do I cope? Constant questioning. Intermittent periods of doubt that stave off reality just long enough for adjustment. Always believing that there is a way out of this hole that I either I or they have put me in. I truly believe that what happened 30 years ago to me may have defined the following 30 years but I am sure as hell not going to let it define the rest of my life. I also look at the little graces that this line of query have given me. I understand myself far better than I ever have and know more about myself that has awakened in me that I had long forgotten. Things that I have denied while hiding behind a cloak of science for the masses, I finally can accept. These are those little graces. Those positive changes for me that give me hope. Who I am today was not the same person as who I was back in January when I found this thread. I'm the better for it.

i saw your post recently here and understand you are just as lost....please be in contact? or are you a plant? LOL!!!! FUUUUUCK! just got another message from his mom:


From: A
Subject: Re: Questions
To: "P
Date: Thursday, September 27, 2012, 2:47 PM

I am sorry to get angry. I remember what I went through. I am not making it up. Also, I am not accusing mom of being involved. I know you and her had nothing to do with it. I do know it happened. I urge you to read online about others that this has happened to. They purposely try to make it look like we are crazy. We are not.

And, it is ok if you don't believe me. I will continue on until justice is brought upon the people who have done this and who continue these sorts of things. I love you both and I am sorry about my trying to deal with this. It is overwhelming and frustrating and devastating. Try putting yourself in my shoes and having to realize this.

G

how's this for familial support?:

G, this is your dad. You have a severe mental problem. You have a delusion by saying indirectly that your mother conspired with the CIA to kill you by placing you in the GATE program. You are not making sense. Why would she acknowledge something that ridiculous?

We had people come out to help you, but you evidently you told them you would seek help for yourself. I don't think there is anything more we can do for you except pray you will find help for yourself. Hopefully, one day you will take resonsibility for yourself and decisions you've made instead of blaming us or some sinister entity. It is painful for us to picture the torment you are causing yourself and the self-destructive path you are on. Please keep the e-mail coming.
Love, dad

Masochism is not a problem
, it's my bestest friend.

Right on with the rest though :)

I think humour helps as well..without it I'd be battier than I am.

If I'm a plant I'm the kind that digs into the foundation and screws up the sewer system.

I can't for the life of me tell which bits are from who in those emails. I mostly just see the ones from you? I know it shouldn't be that hard to figure out but my head hurts.

Yeesh, you know I'm getting too serious (or too tired) when I forget humour. I absolutely rely on humour a lot. May not seem like it here but I'm constantly making cracks about this subject with my fiance and kids. Like the other day when I "trying" to practice throwing lightning bolts from my hands because I'm clearly an X-men. :) Have to be able to laugh a bit. Nothing dispels demons faster than laughing at them.

And oh, my smoking isn't a problem either. It's how I self medicate. :)

Right now there are no concrete answers. I often question my own sanity, at times, over this issue. I do know that what we've uncovered - the pieces we have put together on who put the program together - is a great start. It helps explain, at least superficially, what the mind-set of these people were. I am not sure we'll ever have the entire picture or all the answers - but I do know that I am feeling a lot of relief over what we've been digging up.

Look back over the last few pages and take a look at what we've found - I hope it helps explain some things to you - even if it doesn't answer any questions fully.

I'm having difficulty with it, too. Tired and head hurts, plus have a deaf friend of my daughter's over who is really, very loud. Fantastic mix and she's staying for dinner.

There's a running joke in my house about where I've hidden the sniper rifle or if I can make one out of household products.

Same here. I don't do drugs or drink much - but herbal remedies are my favorite.

he left all of his things with me. found the rifle mag today. he left me a full bug-out bag. well that would be great but. he never had a gun. he left all his knives...i have 3, two survival, one a switchblade. so, he didn't take those things.

loads of chills reading
recently

LMAO. Yeah, we have the "fun facts from mom" here. My mom honestly started it with her damn creamer. Although I don't know how to construct a sniper rifle out of household products, I do know a few things. :) Mostly survival stuff though a few things are household product related, lol. I blame my grandfather for that. He did go through SAC survival training a la Gen. Curtis LeMay so I'm sure that he passed on plenty of nifty tips to me on the subject. Part of my knowledge base is escape and evasion tactics so yeah, pure Grandpa in me, lol.

This brings up an question. How do you guys handle serious threats? I've been mugged twice and without going into long stories - both times I had the oddest reactions. I was able to talk my way out of it.

I handle stressful situations (life or death kinds) very calmly - its like another person takes over, almost. I'm able to think very clearly and cleverly and even though I'm a small person - I have enormous strength. Not superhuman, lol, but definitely don't look as strong as I am. Hmmm.

Yep! Not a fan of chemical anything really either and same with the drugs and alcohol. I like to keep my mind sharp. Chamomile here for upset tummies. Warm milk and rest for migraines. Sometimes I feel so "old fashioned" that I think I was born in the wrong time period, lol, because I don't use those fancy new medicines for all my woes! lol

Same here. I found out my heart rate slows down when I'm in crisis situations. Everything just goes fluid, I feel awesome, thoughts flow, and I swear to god I can move faster than everyone else. It's bizarre and it turned me into an adrenaline junkie for the longest time because it's when I feel my best.

Loaded question for me and it's a subject that has come up before. Yep, I switch and am very calm, cool, clear and super fast thinking. I always have known precisely what to do to extricate myself from the situation and rapidly. I did throw my ex-husband to the ground (he had tried to kick me in the stomach out of temper) and pin him entirely so I do have potential physical things. Like I said though, I think that's more from my grandfather than anything else. Most of the time, I can talk myself or even "look" my way out of a situation. I'm very strong, especially in the legs. I remember when I was 17 and lifting weights at a gym, a man who worked at the post office would work out at the same time as me. One day, he said that he hated the fact that we were on the same time schedule and usually ended up following on the machines because he could only do half of what I could and I was such a tiny thing. It apparently humiliated him. But yes, I switch gears entirely. Menny has this, too. Both Menny and I will also both pass out if it's a very emotionally stressful situation (as in no life or death threat).

Yep. My heart doesn't get the adrenaline racing until the event has passed entirely. It slows and yep to the very fast movement/reaction speed. It's not all bad. That speed and calm saved some lives in the past.

I don't get scared/stressed until after. Maybe whatever they did made us able to process thoughts and situations quicker? Or maybe we're just lucky? I don't pass out, but high emotions bring out certain abilities in me. I've had people leave the room because they couldn't handle what I was thinking...haha!

I was born in 1977 put into EEE Extended Enrichment Education it was western Colorado's version of GATE. Mostly we did a lot of Logic puzzles and Guided Visualization. I was in 3rd Grade when I was put into the class. they bussed the kids from 3 different elementary schools to the same school for combined EEE classes everyday for the majority of the day. This class I blame for most of my not being able to conform to societies standards I firmly believe the out of the box thinking I was exposed to pushed me even further outside the norms of society. I am 35 now live in the middle of nowhere I go for weeks without talking to people a modern day hermit or shut in. I am addicted to research and as you can guess being on GLP most of the topics I research are not mainstream. I find most people to be useless ignorant and a waste of my breath I ask my therapist to help me undo the 2 million years of selective programming that pushes us to be social creatures and desire meaningful relationships its such an insane drive seeing as with language no real communication is possible. Lies and self aggrandizing speech being the most common tongue spoken in this world. Since we can never know what another is truly thinking how can we communicate unless we break the boundary of internal dialog through ESP or biochemical means we are all isolated.

Actually, that's what Menny meant by "replacing is easier than erasing". It was a phrase that she had remembered and it actually provided a hit. I'll repost the link: [link to books.google.com]

Gah, google...so long. Anyways, the section of the book describes the creation of a peaceful place trigger as a stress coping technique. In the suggestion of using our best wisdom, knowledge, training, experience and etc, in us, that could have a totally different response than the norm as we directly had training in problem solving and social engineering. In my case, I suspect my ability to also physically defend with hand to hand (not to harm but to subdue) is probably based on my grandpa. He always wished I was a boy, lol.

I've found a hug works wonders when it comes to communication. But then I've gone soft :)

ohh it should be noted of the other children who where in EEE with me One is dead from a skiing accident. Another a recovering meth addict(He has been off it 2 years still looks like death) Another just went through her 2nd divorce and has worked at a grocery store clerk since we all graduated back in 1995. And myself I lived in an rv for several years and followed the frost traveling from oregon to florida several times a year spending a lot of time in west texas new mexico on a psychedelic fueled rush for self discovery did that from about 1997 until 2006 then I started traveling looking for a place to settle down and weather this storm the nation is about to face bought my house 2 years ago on a land contract.

You know, Desertwolf, this is one of those posts that, if my fiance read it, he would be certain I had written it except for the locations, names of programs. Yep to everything but those place and name facts. Replace it with 1969, TAG, and Oregon. I don't live in the middle of nowhere but I've always been a hermit. I make appearances at times because my neighbors are nice and sometimes worry that I've died. Sad that I make a point of coming out during peak neighbor times just for that reason, lol, just so I don't appear to be too "maladjusted" from the norm.