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Anonymous Coward User ID: 102279 United States 03/22/2010 04:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In Jude 1:14, the Lord returns "with tens of thousands of his saints", not 2 billion Christians of varying dedication. I had a vision of the gathering in the clouds, whereas I was "caught up with them to meet the Lord" in spirit. Immediately, the clouds opened up and the Lord descended from the sky, levitated downward, in a hail of hostile fire. Then a friend noticed that I was in a trance and starting shaking me out of it, which I did not like at all. All true Christians will be caught up in the clouds in spirit, and some physically. The claim that all Christians will be raptured out is false, for Revelations predicts the beheadings of Christians, right? That's my take, take it or leave it. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 720033 United States 03/22/2010 04:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Only those that have accepted Jesus and Lord and Saviour will go in the RAPTURE. Those who believe that HE is the ONLY WAY TO SALVATION. Not "one" of the ways but the ONLY way. All people who have placed their Hope, Trust and Faith in Him will be taken. We are commanded to pray that we are worthy to be taken and always to keep watch and be ready in Jesus Christ. God Bless!!! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 720033 United States 03/22/2010 04:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "We are commanded" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 922410This is your view of a God, thus the reason I am so happy the rapture will take people like you. I do not see heaven as being commanded in eternity. You have a point, I used the wrong word there. Here is the actual scripture below. It is more of an encouragement or "advice" rather than a command. You'll have to excuse my poor word choice here. But you can see from the scripture below what the spirit of the "advice" is. Luke 21: 20-36 20"When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. 25"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." 29He told them this parable: "Look at the fig tree and all the trees. 30When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near. 31Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near. 32"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 33Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. 34"Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you unexpectedly like a trap. 35For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. 36Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 922410 Austria 03/22/2010 04:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whaaaaaaaaaaaat??? 2 billions catholics and 20,000 taken by Jesus??? You could as well take the rest once you started to set up this religious cult. Why taking the cream and leaving out the rest to continue to teach us not to find God by ourselves? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 720033 United States 03/22/2010 04:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | rapture is false doctrine Quoting: Anonymous Coward 664728If the rapture is a false doctrine why then is it that Jesus Himself said to pray and always be ready to "ESCAPE" all these things that are about to happen, as the scripture I quoted above says? If we go are to go through the TRIBULATIONS as some of you believe, then how is that that Jesus says we will ESCAPE it? Jesus says clearly the word ESCAPE here and I for one am going to take Him up on that offer! God Bless!!! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 922410 Austria 03/22/2010 04:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am not going to follow the Annunakis and this one God view is too close to the way they are thinking. I have been kicked by the Andromedans to the Pleiades as to being the devil to them. I will keep my good work in rejecting religious worship. I am already in hell? What worse could happen to me? If I get uncreated because of not accepting another savior, I guess 99% are going to be it too. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 720033 United States 03/22/2010 04:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yea. just because you people subscribed to an organized religion invented in middle east, you were going to get teleported here and there. Quoting: yeahyeah 922422what matters is what's inside you. not religion. What would Turkey know about God? You who believe in a god that instructs violence to do his will? Once Turkey had cities and churches that worshipped Jesus Christ and revered Him and still I am sure there are a few that believe unto His name, but oh my have you fallen low. How is it that you have been so deceived by your new "president" who turns your eyes away from the true God to the false one called "allah"? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 720033 United States 03/22/2010 04:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so where is jesus going to take you? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 664728you know, heaven is to be here on earth so, where are you raptured folks going to go? We are going to heaven for 7 years while the World is judged for we are not meant for judgement. When the Lord comes back at the end of the 7 years, WE will come with HIM, for from the point we are RAPTURED, WE WILL ALWAYS BE WITH THE LORD. WE WILL BECOME GOD'S PEOPLE!!! And all those who come to belief in Him during the Tribulations will also join us. And then after the 1000 years of Jesus Christ's reign on Earth, He, our CREATOR will create a New Heaven and a New Earth where all evil will pass away. WE WILL BE FOREVER WITH GOD AND GOD WILL BE FOREVER WITH US AS HE PROMISES TO THOSE WHO OVERCOME AND CHOOSE HIM AND HIS SON, JESUS CHRIST!!! God Bless!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 922422 Turkey 03/22/2010 04:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What would Turkey know about God? You who believe in a god that instructs violence to do his will? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 720033Once Turkey had cities and churches that worshipped Jesus Christ and revered Him and still I am sure there are a few that believe unto His name, but oh my have you fallen low. How is it that you have been so deceived by your new "president" who turns your eyes away from the true God to the false one called "allah"? ask that to turkey. not me. i dont have any business with your 'religions'. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 664728 New Zealand 03/22/2010 04:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so where is jesus going to take you? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 720033you know, heaven is to be here on earth so, where are you raptured folks going to go? We are going to heaven for 7 years while the World is judged for we are not meant for judgement. Uhhh--heaven is ON THE EARTH. have you bothered to actually READ the Bible? how can you be LEAVING the earth and GOING to heaven when heaven is ON THE EARTH???? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 720033 United States 03/22/2010 04:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so where is jesus going to take you? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 664728you know, heaven is to be here on earth so, where are you raptured folks going to go? We are going to heaven for 7 years while the World is judged for we are not meant for judgement. Uhhh--heaven is ON THE EARTH. have you bothered to actually READ the Bible? how can you be LEAVING the earth and GOING to heaven when heaven is ON THE EARTH???? Heaven is where Jesus Christ IS, where GOD Is. Is Jesus Christ here during the Tribulations? Even the New Jerusalem comes DOWN FROM HEAVEN when Jesus Christ starts His Kingdom. Do you read the Bible? Did you READ Revelations? Revelations 21: 1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." 5He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true." 6He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liarstheir place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." 9One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb." 10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. 11It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. 13There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west. 14The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 15The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls. 16The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia[a]in length, and as wide and high as it is long. 17He measured its wall and it was 144 cubits thick,[c] by man's measurement, which the angel was using. 18The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. 19The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony, the fourth emerald, 20the fifth sardonyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst.[d] 21The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of pure gold, like transparent glass. 22I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 883319 Canada 03/22/2010 04:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I didn't read your whole post but I can asssure you that msot Christians aren't Christians at all. SOme aren't truly spiritual, some enjoy the sufferings of others (gays and muslims), some persecute and try to force others to believe as they do instead of living a good life. I am a Christian, but if the rapture happens I don't expect to go, nor is it necessary for me. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 720033 United States 03/22/2010 05:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I forgot to add, that New Jerusalem that came down from Heaven? Thats that house Jesus promised us who believe in Him. Remember when His apostles asked Him where He was going, He said: John 14:1 1"Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God[a]; trust also in me. 2In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4You know the way to the place where I am going." This is WHERE WE ARE GOING IN THE RAPTURE!!! WE are going to this place that Jesus Christ said He is going to first to make a place for US! This is where we are going to the NEW JERUSALEM!!! God Bless!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 720033 United States 03/22/2010 05:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 144,000 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 922434No the 144,000 are the Jews from Israel who have comed to belief in Jesus Christ during the TRIBULATIONS who will go and spread the message of the Gospel of Christ during this 7 year period. For the Church will not exist on Earth anymore, for we will ALL have been taken during the RAPTURE. All those who have placed their Hope, Trust and Faith in Jesus Christ. A great deal MORE than 144,000. God Bless!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 922263 United States 03/22/2010 05:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Before we go any further, let's clarify what the RAPTURE is. I Thessalonians 4:16-17 says, "For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we ever be with the Lord." Quoting: Gods Word Is Absolutely TrueThe Rapture is the GREAT ESCAPE from the horrendous Tribulation period that is SOON to come on ALL THE WORLD! It is for a body of born-again believers in Jesus Christ. The question is IS THE RAPTURE FOR ALL CHRISTIANS? You contridict yourself with your own reasoning. You say the christians "will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord". So most christians I talk to say when they are raptured then they will go to heaven and be with Jesus forever. But yet it clearly says that Jesus will be on earth during and after that time. I think if there is any thing to the rapture then its only his people going up into the clods to greet him and they all come down back to earth to finish off satan. I mean seriously just what work is there to do in Heaven? Nothing...all the work will be down here and the church will be AWOL? Give me a break. . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 720033 United States 03/22/2010 05:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Before we go any further, let's clarify what the RAPTURE is. I Thessalonians 4:16-17 says, "For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we ever be with the Lord." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 922263The Rapture is the GREAT ESCAPE from the horrendous Tribulation period that is SOON to come on ALL THE WORLD! It is for a body of born-again believers in Jesus Christ. The question is IS THE RAPTURE FOR ALL CHRISTIANS? You contridict yourself with your own reasoning. You say the christians "will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord". So most christians I talk to say when they are raptured then they will go to heaven and be with Jesus forever. But yet it clearly says that Jesus will be on earth during and after that time. I think if there is any thing to the rapture then its only his people going up into the clods to greet him and they all come down back to earth to finish off satan. I mean seriously just what work is there to do in Heaven? Nothing...all the work will be down here and the church will be AWOL? Give me a break. . I'm not sure why your saying i'm contradicting myself when I have not done so in anything of what I said. If what I have said has not been clear, let me spell it out for you. RAPTURE = The dead in Christ rises first. Then we who are ALIVE are caught up with the dead (who are now resurrected) in the clouds with the Lord and the Lord takes us to the New Jerusalem City that He prepared for us. Jesus comes and doesn't actually DESCEND TO EARTH, He comes to take us out from the AIR, IN THE CLOUDS. After the 7 year TRIBULATION is over, when Jesus comes back and puts His actual FEET ON THE EARTH, We will also come back with Him in His 1000 year reign and Kingdom and after that when He makes a New Heaven and New Earth. How is it that you say I contradicted myself? I think the chronology of what I am saying speaks for itself. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 922263 United States 03/22/2010 05:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 144,000 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 720033No the 144,000 are the Jews from Israel who have comed to belief in Jesus Christ during the TRIBULATIONS who will go and spread the message of the Gospel of Christ during this 7 year period. For the Church will not exist on Earth anymore, for we will ALL have been taken during the RAPTURE. All those who have placed their Hope, Trust and Faith in Jesus Christ. A great deal MORE than 144,000. God Bless!!! I think you are totaly wrong. Revelation 7:1-8 Revelation 7 144,000 Sealed 1After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. 2Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3"Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God." 4Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel. 5From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, 6from the tribe of Asher 12,000, from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000, 7from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000, 8from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000 It clearly says that only 12 thousand will be from the tribe of Judah. All Jews are from the tribe of Judah. So that means the rest are from the lost ten tribes who are not jewish. Not all Israelis are jewish. Most of them are gentiles. Fact! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 720033 United States 03/22/2010 05:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 144,000 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 922263No the 144,000 are the Jews from Israel who have comed to belief in Jesus Christ during the TRIBULATIONS who will go and spread the message of the Gospel of Christ during this 7 year period. For the Church will not exist on Earth anymore, for we will ALL have been taken during the RAPTURE. All those who have placed their Hope, Trust and Faith in Jesus Christ. A great deal MORE than 144,000. God Bless!!! I think you are totaly wrong. Revelation 7:1-8 Revelation 7 144,000 Sealed 1After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. 2Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3"Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God." 4Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel. 5From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, 6from the tribe of Asher 12,000, from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000, 7from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000, 8from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000 It clearly says that only 12 thousand will be from the tribe of Judah. All Jews are from the tribe of Judah. So that means the rest are from the lost ten tribes who are not jewish. Not all Israelis are jewish. Most of them are gentiles. Fact! Yes they are sealed by God to do the ministry they were prepared to do during the Tribulations. Nowhere does it say these are the ones that are going to be taken during the RAPTURE, is there? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 922263 United States 03/22/2010 05:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not sure why your saying i'm contradicting myself when I have not done so in anything of what I said. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 720033If what I have said has not been clear, let me spell it out for you. RAPTURE = The dead in Christ rises first. Then we who are ALIVE are caught up with the dead (who are now resurrected) in the clouds with the Lord and the Lord takes us to the New Jerusalem City that He prepared for us. Jesus comes and doesn't actually DESCEND TO EARTH, He comes to take us out from the AIR, IN THE CLOUDS. After the 7 year TRIBULATION is over, when Jesus comes back and puts His actual FEET ON THE EARTH, We will also come back with Him in His 1000 year reign and Kingdom and after that when He makes a New Heaven and New Earth. How is it that you say I contradicted myself? I think the chronology of what I am saying speaks for itself. But the "servants of god" are the 144,000 and they are on earth. How can you be servants of god and be in heavan? If you were not judged good enough to be one of the 144,000 then I question if you are good enough to be hiding out in Heaven when TSHTF. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 922263 United States 03/22/2010 05:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes they are sealed by God to do the ministry they were prepared to do during the Tribulations. Nowhere does it say these are the ones that are going to be taken during the RAPTURE, is there? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 720033Oh I see.....2 classes of "servants of God". The ones called the 144,000 left on earth do all the heavy lifting while the rest of you deadbeat rapture "servants of god" are having a good time in heaven surfing the internet and follicking around in heavenly bliss. . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 720033 United States 03/22/2010 05:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not sure why your saying i'm contradicting myself when I have not done so in anything of what I said. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 922263If what I have said has not been clear, let me spell it out for you. RAPTURE = The dead in Christ rises first. Then we who are ALIVE are caught up with the dead (who are now resurrected) in the clouds with the Lord and the Lord takes us to the New Jerusalem City that He prepared for us. Jesus comes and doesn't actually DESCEND TO EARTH, He comes to take us out from the AIR, IN THE CLOUDS. After the 7 year TRIBULATION is over, when Jesus comes back and puts His actual FEET ON THE EARTH, We will also come back with Him in His 1000 year reign and Kingdom and after that when He makes a New Heaven and New Earth. How is it that you say I contradicted myself? I think the chronology of what I am saying speaks for itself. But the "servants of god" are the 144,000 and they are on earth. How can you be servants of god and be in heavan? If you were not judged good enough to be one of the 144,000 then I question if you are good enough to be hiding out in Heaven when TSHTF. ? Everyone who does God's will is a servant of God. That doesn't mean these 144,000 are the only ones. They are servants of God because they will be doing His ministry while the Church is absent during the TRIBULATIONS. Where does it say that these 144,000 are the ONLY servants of God? Why are you again assuming things that are NOT written in scripture? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 720033 United States 03/22/2010 05:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes they are sealed by God to do the ministry they were prepared to do during the Tribulations. Nowhere does it say these are the ones that are going to be taken during the RAPTURE, is there? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 922263Oh I see.....2 classes of "servants of God". The ones called the 144,000 left on earth do all the heavy lifting while the rest of you deadbeat rapture "servants of god" are having a good time in heaven surfing the internet and follicking around in heavenly bliss. . Hmm are you now mocking God? The only reason the Church is taken is because they have placed their Faith and Trust in Jesus Christ and He promised to come back for them. The 144,000 are those of the JEWS who have come to Faith and Trust in Jesus Christ WHILE IN THE TRIBULATIONS and they set out to do what the Church HAS BEEN DOING before they were Raptured out. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 918725 Australia 03/22/2010 05:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ya know I personally hope the rapture comes REAL soon. Then we would be rid of all these loony toon glazed eyed, single dimensional christians .. Yep.. hows about all the non christians like me help ya'll pack ..? I'm there !!! Will lend a hand .. with pleasure !! I also live in hope that frootloop christians will find ANOTHER forum .. not a conspiracy,fringe forum like GLP The name isn't an invitation for christian nut jobs but is surely being overrun by them rolls eyes.. sheesh This is the first and LAST rant I have at you guys .. wot a pain in the arse you all are .. good luck with the rapture .. Byeeeee |