5 Reasons Why Christians Should Not Obtain a State Marriage License | |
Forever.the.Student User ID: 28441220 ![]() 05/05/2019 10:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...oops Last Edited by Forever.the.Student on 05/05/2019 10:25 AM "Things are more like they are right now than they ever have been." - Dwight D. Eisenhower In religion and politics people’s beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing - Mark Twain it's all mental masturbation. Seeing through the game isn't winning the game ! "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." - Henry David Thoreau |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77441624 ![]() 05/05/2019 10:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | by Pastor Matt Trewhella Quoting: rachel 529732 Every year thousands of Christians amble down to their local county courthouse and obtain a marriage license from the State in order to marry their future spouse. They do this unquestioningly. They do it because their pastor has told them to go get one, and besides, "everybody else gets one." This pamphlet attempts to answer the question - why should we not get one? 1. The definition of a "license" demands that we not obtain one to marry. Black’s Law Dictionary defines "license" as, "The permission by competent authority to do an act which without such permission, would be illegal." We need to ask ourselves- why should it be illegal to marry without the State’s permission? More importantly, why should we need the State’s permission to participate in something which God instituted (Gen. 2:18-24)? We should not need the State’s permission to marry nor should we grovel before state officials to seek it. What if you apply and the State says "no"? You must understand that the authority to license implies the power to prohibit. A license by definition "confers a right" to do something. The State cannot grant the right to marry. It is a God-given right. 2. When you marry with a marriage license, you grant the State jurisdiction over your marriage. When you marry with a marriage license, your marriage is a creature of the State. It is a corporation of the State! Therefore, they have jurisdiction over your marriage including the fruit of your marriage. What is the fruit of your marriage? Your children and every piece of property you own. There is plenty of case law in American jurisprudence which declares this to be true. In 1993, parents were upset here in Wisconsin because a test was being administered to their children in the government schools which was very invasive of the family’s privacy. When parents complained, they were shocked by the school bureaucrats who informed them that their children were required to take the test by law and that they would have to take the test because they (the government school) had jurisdiction over their children. When parents asked the bureaucrats what gave them jurisdiction, the bureaucrats answered, "your marriage license and their birth certificates." Judicially, and in increasing fashion, practically, your state marriage license has far-reaching implications. 3. When you marry with a marriage license, you place yourself under a body of law which is immoral. By obtaining a marriage license, you place yourself under the jurisdiction of Family Court which is governed by unbiblical and immoral laws. Under these laws, you can divorce for any reason. Often, the courts side with the spouse who is in rebellion to God, and castigates the spouse who remains faithful by ordering him or her not to speak about the Bible or other matters of faith when present with the children. As a minister, I cannot in good conscience perform a marriage which would place people under this immoral body of laws. I also cannot marry someone with a marriage license because to do so I have to act as an agent of the State! I would have to sign the marriage license, and I would have to mail it into the State. Given the State’s demand to usurp the place of God and family regarding marriage, and given it’s unbiblical, immoral laws to govern marriage, it would be an act of treason for me to do so. 4. The marriage license invades and removes God-given parental authority. When you read the Bible, you see that God intended for children to have their father’s blessing regarding whom they married. Daughters were to be given in marriage by their fathers (Dt. 22:16; Ex. 22:17; I Cor. 7:38). We have a vestige of this in our culture today in that the father takes his daughter to the front of the altar and the minister asks, "Who gives this woman to be married to this man?" Historically, there was no requirement to obtain a marriage license in colonial America. When you read the laws of the colonies and then the states, you see only two requirements for marriage. First, you had to obtain your parents permission to marry, and second, you had to post public notice of the marriage 5-15 days before the ceremony. Notice you had to obtain your parents permission. Back then you saw godly government displayed in that the State recognized the parents authority by demanding that the parents permission be obtained. Today, the all-encompassing ungodly State demands that their permission be obtained to marry. By issuing marriage licenses, the State is saying, "You don’t need your parents permission, you need our permission." If parents are opposed to their child’s marrying a certain person and refuse to give their permission, the child can do an end run around the parents authority by obtaining the State’s permission, and marry anyway. This is an invasion and removal of God-given parental authority by the State. 5. When you marry with a marriage license, you are like a polygamist. From the State’s point of view, when you marry with a marriage license, you are not just marrying your spouse, but you are also marrying the State. The most blatant declaration of this fact that I have ever found is a brochure entitled "With This Ring I Thee Wed." It is found in county courthouses across Ohio where people go to obtain their marriage licenses. It is published by the Ohio State Bar Association. The opening paragraph under the subtitle "Marriage Vows" states, "Actually, when you repeat your marriage vows you enter into a legal contract. There are three parties to that contract. 1.You; 2. Your husband or wife, as the case may be; and 3. the State of Ohio." See, the State and the lawyers know that when you marry with a marriage license, you are not just marrying your spouse, you are marrying the State! You are like a polygamist! You are not just making a vow to your spouse, but you are making a vow to the State and your spouse. You are also giving undue jurisdiction to the State. When Does the State Have Jurisdiction Over a Marriage? God intended the State to have jurisdiction over a marriage for two reasons - 1). in the case of divorce, and 2). when crimes are committed i.e., adultery, bigamy. etc. Unfortunately, the State now allows divorce for any reason, and it does not prosecute for adultery. In either case, divorce or crime, a marriage license is not necessary for the courts to determine whether a marriage existed or not. What is needed are witnesses. This is why you have a best man and a maid of honor. They should sign the marriage certificate in your family Bible, and the wedding day guest book should be kept. [link to www.mercyseat.net] Do you understand that a few of the reasons for the adoption of the state license was to prevent incest, the marriage of young children and polygamy? And you do understand that such laws came into being via the exercise of state legislative processes. You also understand that legal marriage is a recognized legally binding contract both between two individuals and between those individuals and the state. And you understand that anyone, including homosexuals, have ALWAYS had the freedom to participate in any marriage ceremony they want and could call themselves married in the name of God, Gaia, Baal or Donald Duck if they so choose. "Legal: state sanctioned marriage" only stipulates that the marriage will be recognized in compliance with certain standards that have been set within the state by its citizens thru their elected representatives, no different than standards set forth for a driver's license, fishing license or medical license. I suppose a "true Christian" would opt out of all those things too. ![]() |
Forever.the.Student User ID: 28441220 ![]() 05/05/2019 10:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The original marriage licenses were so slaves could be married to free men. U.S.citizenship (2nd class) was created on July 16th, 1868 for slaves only! (what class of citizen existed from 1776 to 1868?) The first marriage licenses were issued so slave citizens (U.S. citizens) could marry first class (state) citizens (free men) who didn't need the license. (government was their servant...not their master) The first licenses in my home state (from 1868 to 1900) actually said sovereign and slave for the signatures.. this was changed to groom and bride. Do you guys realize there was no formal "federal government" from 1776 to 1781, until the Articles of the Confederation was ratified by the people? ALL were State Citizens? Last Edited by Forever.the.Student on 05/05/2019 10:43 AM "Things are more like they are right now than they ever have been." - Dwight D. Eisenhower In religion and politics people’s beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing - Mark Twain it's all mental masturbation. Seeing through the game isn't winning the game ! "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." - Henry David Thoreau |
KLC User ID: 75919805 ![]() 05/05/2019 10:40 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The marriage laws protect people from terrible circumstances when the relationship breaks bad, like one party selling joint property, alimony, custody, and things like that. It's a protection.........mostly for women. Without laws, things would be completely out of control and insane. Quoting: Lisa*Lisa This pastor is off in left field somewhere. When children are born, the state can do whatever they want to them if there is a problem, married or not. His reasoning makes no sense. Lisa its insane enough already and you dumb fuck Christians always want more state conrol when you are to resist state control. common law suffices in any thinking people. I suppose you still expect we should have drivers licenses too, right, and enforced insurance, and social security numbers, right? the SS# is your chip you know... you do know that right? Go ahead and live under common law if you want. But many states don't recognize it, and if your relationship breaks bad you're not protected. It's really just that simple. Stay at home wife and mom will fair the worst in that circumstance. No marital assets, no alimony, no husband's social security........the laws protect married women in many circumstances when they stayed at home and raised the kids and took care of the home all those years instead of going out and working. No law is perfect, but it's better then nothing. or both could honor and respect their vows the "laws" are 100% one sided designed to control the man or fleece him if he refuses to be controlled (°ö°) Swirl Life |
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Forever.the.Student User ID: 28441220 ![]() 05/05/2019 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I did not realize L.B. Bork was still selling copies of The Red Amendment... I bought 20 copies 13 years ago and handed them out to friends... If ANYONE wants to know ALL about the FRAUD that is the 14th Amendment... it's great reading... (i have no affiliation with...) WAKEY WAKEY... [link to www.redamendment.net] Last Edited by Forever.the.Student on 05/05/2019 11:06 AM "Things are more like they are right now than they ever have been." - Dwight D. Eisenhower In religion and politics people’s beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing - Mark Twain it's all mental masturbation. Seeing through the game isn't winning the game ! "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." - Henry David Thoreau |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77159757 ![]() 05/05/2019 11:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rachel... Quoting: Forever.the.Student I did not realize L.B. Bork was still selling copies of The Red Amendment... I bought 20 copies 13 years ago and handed them out to friends... If ANYONE wants to know ALL about the FRAUD that is the 14th Amendment... it's great reading... (i have no affiliation with...) WAKEY WAKEY... [link to www.redamendment.net] link does not work |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77619153 ![]() 05/05/2019 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THIS IS HOW JEWISH PEOPLE AVOID CERTAIN TAXES AND THE WOMEN QUALIFY FOR WELFARE. Some states do not recognize their marriages, and those are the states they flock to. Since they are not "legally" married, the wife gets welfare for all 6-10 children |
Forever.the.Student User ID: 28441220 ![]() 05/05/2019 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rachel... Quoting: Forever.the.Student I did not realize L.B. Bork was still selling copies of The Red Amendment... I bought 20 copies 13 years ago and handed them out to friends... If ANYONE wants to know ALL about the FRAUD that is the 14th Amendment... it's great reading... (i have no affiliation with...) WAKEY WAKEY... [link to www.redamendment.net] link does not work worked for me... i tested it before i posted due to a similar post above got blank at first.. turned on java got a black screen, refreshed it and it worked The link check and the above posts were made on another laptop... The link works for me on this laptop too... LB writes his own code... your ad blocker maybe? Last Edited by Forever.the.Student on 05/05/2019 01:23 PM "Things are more like they are right now than they ever have been." - Dwight D. Eisenhower In religion and politics people’s beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing - Mark Twain it's all mental masturbation. Seeing through the game isn't winning the game ! "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." - Henry David Thoreau |
Forever.the.Student User ID: 28441220 ![]() 05/05/2019 01:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | fixed it for you... THIS IS HOW SOME MUSLIMS AVOID CERTAIN TAXES AND THE WOMEN QUALIFY FOR WELFARE. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77619153 Some states do not recognize their marriages, and those are the states they flock to. Since they are not "legally" married, the wife gets welfare for all 6-10 children "Things are more like they are right now than they ever have been." - Dwight D. Eisenhower In religion and politics people’s beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing - Mark Twain it's all mental masturbation. Seeing through the game isn't winning the game ! "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." - Henry David Thoreau |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80295431 ![]() 04/29/2021 09:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When my ancestors got married in Maryland Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80295431 the LAW was that the marriage HAD to be performed by a Christian clergyman to be recognized as valid. From 1776 to 1963 when civil marriages without benefit of clergy were allowed. Of course this didn't raise any eyebrows because MOST AMERICANS were Christians anyway. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79508218 ![]() 05/02/2021 06:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When my ancestors got married in Maryland Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80295431 the LAW was that the marriage HAD to be performed by a Christian clergyman to be recognized as valid. From 1776 to 1963 when civil marriages without benefit of clergy were allowed. Other men have to give you permission to make it valid, Interesting. When the license expires it's not valid anymore? Have you ever thought when a license expires you have to renew for another year? Does this mean you are dead when it expires and so its not valid. |
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DChar User ID: 76600178 ![]() 05/02/2021 09:23 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought the original intent for a marriage license was for health and medical reasons such as blood RH factor of the parents and to prevent incestuous union as sometimes in small communities adulterous relationships and fornication could pollute the gene pool. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77617927 I don't know about the Rh thing. At one time, everyone was required to have a syphyllis test and blacks were required to be tested for Sickle cell, a genetic disease that could be prevented if 2 people positive for the trait did not have children. I don't know what is required today. For Rh, there may have been a small window where they tested. Today it is not necessary. in 1996 my state required a blood test prior Occult Ritual Transformation and Coronavirus: How Mask Wearing, Hand Washing, “Social Separation” and Lockdowns Are Age-Old Occult Rituals [link to haveyenotread.com (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80259710 ![]() 05/02/2021 03:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The marriage laws protect people from terrible circumstances when the relationship breaks bad, like one party selling joint property, alimony, custody, and things like that. It's a protection.........mostly for women. Without laws, things would be completely out of control and insane. Quoting: Lisa*Lisa This pastor is off in left field somewhere. When children are born, the state can do whatever they want to them if there is a problem, married or not. His reasoning makes no sense. Lisa its insane enough already and you dumb fuck Christians always want more state conrol when you are to resist state control. common law suffices in any thinking people. I suppose you still expect we should have drivers licenses too, right, and enforced insurance, and social security numbers, right? the SS# is your chip you know... you do know that right? Go ahead and live under common law if you want. But many states don't recognize it, and if your relationship breaks bad you're not protected. It's really just that simple. Stay at home wife and mom will fair the worst in that circumstance. No marital assets, no alimony, no husband's social security........the laws protect married women in many circumstances when they stayed at home and raised the kids and took care of the home all those years instead of going out and working. No law is perfect, but it's better then nothing. Christians believe until death do us part. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79324350 ![]() 05/02/2021 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That was always the bullshit part of the whole gay marriage thing. The fight shouldn't have been to let gays have their rights be violated just like the straights, it should have been to get government out of marriage all together. They're all like, "Well if gays can't get married, they can't visit their spouse in the hospital when they are sick". Well fucking why weren't they protesting the goddamned hospitals? There's no law saying who can visit who when they are sick. Well, there wasn't before COVID anyways. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 84634245 ![]() 12/22/2022 04:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The original marriage licenses were so slaves could be married to free men. Quoting: Forever.the.Student U.S.citizenship (2nd class) was created on July 16th, 1868 for slaves only! (what class of citizen existed from 1776 to 1868?) The first marriage licenses were issued so slave citizens (U.S. citizens) could marry first class (state) citizens (free men) who didn't need the license. (government was their servant...not their master) The first licenses in my home state (from 1868 to 1900) actually said sovereign and slave for the signatures.. this was changed to groom and bride. Do you guys realize there was no formal "federal government" from 1776 to 1781, until the Articles of the Confederation was ratified by the people? ALL were State Citizens? Interesting |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75821013 ![]() 01/17/2023 05:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | by Pastor Matt Trewhella Quoting: rachel 529732 Every year thousands of Christians amble down to their local county courthouse and obtain a marriage license from the State in order to marry their future spouse. They do this unquestioningly. They do it because their pastor has told them to go get one, and besides, "everybody else gets one." This pamphlet attempts to answer the question - why should we not get one? 1. The definition of a "license" demands that we not obtain one to marry. Black’s Law Dictionary defines "license" as, "The permission by competent authority to do an act which without such permission, would be illegal." We need to ask ourselves- why should it be illegal to marry without the State’s permission? More importantly, why should we need the State’s permission to participate in something which God instituted (Gen. 2:18-24)? We should not need the State’s permission to marry nor should we grovel before state officials to seek it. What if you apply and the State says "no"? You must understand that the authority to license implies the power to prohibit. A license by definition "confers a right" to do something. The State cannot grant the right to marry. It is a God-given right. 2. When you marry with a marriage license, you grant the State jurisdiction over your marriage. When you marry with a marriage license, your marriage is a creature of the State. It is a corporation of the State! Therefore, they have jurisdiction over your marriage including the fruit of your marriage. What is the fruit of your marriage? Your children and every piece of property you own. There is plenty of case law in American jurisprudence which declares this to be true. In 1993, parents were upset here in Wisconsin because a test was being administered to their children in the government schools which was very invasive of the family’s privacy. When parents complained, they were shocked by the school bureaucrats who informed them that their children were required to take the test by law and that they would have to take the test because they (the government school) had jurisdiction over their children. When parents asked the bureaucrats what gave them jurisdiction, the bureaucrats answered, "your marriage license and their birth certificates." Judicially, and in increasing fashion, practically, your state marriage license has far-reaching implications. 3. When you marry with a marriage license, you place yourself under a body of law which is immoral. By obtaining a marriage license, you place yourself under the jurisdiction of Family Court which is governed by unbiblical and immoral laws. Under these laws, you can divorce for any reason. Often, the courts side with the spouse who is in rebellion to God, and castigates the spouse who remains faithful by ordering him or her not to speak about the Bible or other matters of faith when present with the children. As a minister, I cannot in good conscience perform a marriage which would place people under this immoral body of laws. I also cannot marry someone with a marriage license because to do so I have to act as an agent of the State! I would have to sign the marriage license, and I would have to mail it into the State. Given the State’s demand to usurp the place of God and family regarding marriage, and given it’s unbiblical, immoral laws to govern marriage, it would be an act of treason for me to do so. 4. The marriage license invades and removes God-given parental authority. When you read the Bible, you see that God intended for children to have their father’s blessing regarding whom they married. Daughters were to be given in marriage by their fathers (Dt. 22:16; Ex. 22:17; I Cor. 7:38). We have a vestige of this in our culture today in that the father takes his daughter to the front of the altar and the minister asks, "Who gives this woman to be married to this man?" Historically, there was no requirement to obtain a marriage license in colonial America. When you read the laws of the colonies and then the states, you see only two requirements for marriage. First, you had to obtain your parents permission to marry, and second, you had to post public notice of the marriage 5-15 days before the ceremony. Notice you had to obtain your parents permission. Back then you saw godly government displayed in that the State recognized the parents authority by demanding that the parents permission be obtained. Today, the all-encompassing ungodly State demands that their permission be obtained to marry. By issuing marriage licenses, the State is saying, "You don’t need your parents permission, you need our permission." If parents are opposed to their child’s marrying a certain person and refuse to give their permission, the child can do an end run around the parents authority by obtaining the State’s permission, and marry anyway. This is an invasion and removal of God-given parental authority by the State. 5. When you marry with a marriage license, you are like a polygamist. From the State’s point of view, when you marry with a marriage license, you are not just marrying your spouse, but you are also marrying the State. The most blatant declaration of this fact that I have ever found is a brochure entitled "With This Ring I Thee Wed." It is found in county courthouses across Ohio where people go to obtain their marriage licenses. It is published by the Ohio State Bar Association. The opening paragraph under the subtitle "Marriage Vows" states, "Actually, when you repeat your marriage vows you enter into a legal contract. There are three parties to that contract. 1.You; 2. Your husband or wife, as the case may be; and 3. the State of Ohio." See, the State and the lawyers know that when you marry with a marriage license, you are not just marrying your spouse, you are marrying the State! You are like a polygamist! You are not just making a vow to your spouse, but you are making a vow to the State and your spouse. You are also giving undue jurisdiction to the State. When Does the State Have Jurisdiction Over a Marriage? God intended the State to have jurisdiction over a marriage for two reasons - 1). in the case of divorce, and 2). when crimes are committed i.e., adultery, bigamy. etc. Unfortunately, the State now allows divorce for any reason, and it does not prosecute for adultery. In either case, divorce or crime, a marriage license is not necessary for the courts to determine whether a marriage existed or not. What is needed are witnesses. This is why you have a best man and a maid of honor. They should sign the marriage certificate in your family Bible, and the wedding day guest book should be kept. [link to www.mercyseat.net] Link does not work. |