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BRIEF AND TO THE POINT User ID: 974711 United States 05/18/2010 09:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's 4000 times worth of bullshit, so we gained like 1000... so everything is getting better...right? Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it! when you rob Paul to give to Peter ... ... ... you will always get Peters support! :Brieffromnativea: |
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Riker User ID: 954773 United States 05/18/2010 09:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: ***UPDATE*** OIL SPILL IS EQUAL PARTS METHANE AND OIL *** OIL SPILL METHANE WILL TURN THE OCEANS TO ACID and could make the ATMOSPHERE IGNITE???? DOO thats what I be sayin You shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall set you free. ********************************* rikerglp (at) gmail.com ********************************* |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 973441 United States 05/18/2010 09:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Riker As have I |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 974709 United States 05/18/2010 09:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't worry, there is an upside to all that gas in the atmosphere... Thread: Oil spill is a last ditch effort to keep the coming Ice Age at bay |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 973441 United States 05/18/2010 09:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't worry, there is an upside to all that gas in the atmosphere... Thread: Oil spill is a last ditch effort to keep the coming Ice Age at bay Quoting: Anonymous Coward 974709Anyone feel like we are a |
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Rex Kristos User ID: 90749 United States 05/18/2010 10:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My friend and I were talking about this. This underwater land mass should become completely unstable. Shouldn't all this gas and oil holding the surrounding underwater land mass cave in on itself? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 966567Or blow out from the over pressure. "And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 938245 United States 05/18/2010 10:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 973441 From one of the links in that thread. That info was from 1992. [link to marine.usgs.gov] BP is actively looking for the stuff is our gov and other oil cos. They knew it was in MC Block 252. That is why they only went to 18,000 feet. They have already helped in an experimental drilling in coordination with USGS in the waters off Alaska last year. The industry loves the possibility of methane hydrate production. They are all salivating at the mouth. They already know where most of those reserves are, already mapped them out. Quotes have already been made that there are enough gas hydrates to fuel the world. Gas hydrates = biomass = alternatives to BP. They don't call themselves Beyond Petroleum for nothin'. Folks are starting to see the tip of the iceberg with drilling for methane hydrates. BP is just a pimple on the butt of the Oiligarchy. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 938245 United States 05/18/2010 10:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: ***UPDATE*** OIL SPILL IS EQUAL PARTS METHANE AND OIL *** OIL SPILL METHANE WILL TURN THE OCEANS TO ACID and could make the ATMOSPHERE IGNITE???? DOO Quoting: Anonymous Coward 938245thats what I be sayin As have I From one of the links in that thread. That info was from 1992. [link to marine.usgs.gov] BP is actively looking for the stuff is our gov and other oil cos. They knew it was in MC Block 252. That is why they only went to 18,000 feet. They have already helped in an experimental drilling in coordination with USGS in the waters off Alaska last year. The industry loves the possibility of methane hydrate production. They are all salivating at the mouth. They already know where most of those reserves are, already mapped them out. Quotes have already been made that there are enough gas hydrates to fuel the world. Gas hydrates = biomass = alternatives to BP. They don't call themselves Beyond Petroleum for nothin'. Folks are starting to see the tip of the iceberg with drilling for methane hydrates. BP is just a pimple on the butt of the Oiligarchy. Try this link. It brings us up to date for the quest for gas hydrates to just last year. [link to www.usgs.gov] |
Mitheriel User ID: 965104 Canada 05/18/2010 10:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wrote this poem as lyrics for a song about 1994-95 and i have zero prophetic power. The song was about a thermal electric generaton plan on a volcano on another world where prisoners were sent as laborers, but I like the way the lyrics fit exactly to what the extreme doomers are saying NOT THAT I BELIEVE ITS TRUE OR EVEN A POSABILITY but just in Sci-fantasy from 15 years ago being said now by extemists about a real situation I like the way it fits the bill. Subterranean Crematorium Have you ever visions that evolving changes reasons or strip away the ages just to dig the coming seasons When stumbling through a daydream seems like falling through a doorways inverted snapshots, negative apocalyptic glory Say the words “I wish to go,” my riddles shift at will duck the judges shotgun gavel, thief his cats-eye diamond drill Descend below for a wild ride, its non-stop leeward rigging’s projected slope of minds decline, and a pick-axe piece for digging Monolithic wonders stacked, all overkill of vaulted stones as serpent labor torture slaves are whipping mindless Vulcan drones They take you out without a fight and throw you in still breathing “Lashed and bound till skin and bones” said sorrows scathed and bleeding “How can you have a hope to never, hold your breath for fucking ever?” A billion tons of granite mass, pressed and tempered white Super heated shadows forge, atomic birth of Earth and life Go West along the center line, gone wild like the look of day hear approach of evening lift, get pushed atop the waiting stage Get in on, perceive the face, of a mad-dog mineshaft saboteur his smitten suicidal slumps, a ritual mountain massacre Decline the offered second death, fatedly a trap endeavor “Smile like a corpse” the convict states, “You’ll hold your breath for fucking ever,” Ford on a raging Earth-bed sled, where the wicked whirlpool slashes, thrashes a blizzard hail of torment looms, your treacheries in fucking ashes Chambers void of Oxygen, wrought stoney grave entombs these rooms through open gates Platonic wide let noxious vapor screaming demons through Down snakes, lava lakes, cables cut, poisons weaves, dripping sleeves, flesh to touch Fissure cracks, stress fatigue, erupt the beast, chews the wind and spits the word “Cease,” “If you insist, so hang the there, wish eternal. Its your subterranean crematory funeral,” The Underworld is storm encircled, with Ferris molten towers where lava life so endless churns, and scorching burns for hours and hours Poison sucking spazums take, your melted lungs, your precious air not content to quit this time, you’ll hold your breath forever. |
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Riker User ID: 684208 United States 05/19/2010 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 973441 Oh that's your post too! Sorry figured you were someone else since it was a different thread. :-) You shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall set you free. ********************************* rikerglp (at) gmail.com ********************************* |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 973441 United States 05/19/2010 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | damn, if an asteroid hits that zone... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 948994It does not require an asteroid to ignite it, a lightning bolt will do the trick. I would not want to be within a hundred miles of the coastline when it happens. Yep, lightning would do the trick... Did Asteroid-Induced Firestorm Destroy the Dinosaurs? By Michael Paine Special to space.com posted: 03:10 pm ET 18 November 1999 Dinosaurs may have met their demise in a global firestorm of methane gas triggered by an asteroid impact, a team of scientists reports in the latest issue of Geo-Marine Letters. The methane gas was released from the Earth by the asteroid collision and ignited by lightning, says Naval Research Laboratory scientist Barton Hurdle. Hurdle told space.com that he and several colleagues put forth the idea -- a fiery end to Earth's greatest land creatures -- before various teams of researchers in 1991 and 1992 theorized that a crater discovered in Mexico was the site of an asteroid impact responsible for the mass extinctions. "It shook up the ocean, generated tsunamis that ruptured pockets of methane that were trapped under gas hydrates, and it also created slumping -- a sliding down of the ocean bottom -- that released (the methane) too," Hurdle said. "This stuff came out, lightning set it afire, and it burned," Hurdle explained. "There were fantastic quantities of this stuff." The theoretical fire would have burned near the ground and high into the atmosphere, Hurdle said, enveloping much of the planet as shock waves from the impact moved through the planet and dislodged methane around the globe. "The atmosphere itself would have been on fire," Hurdle and his colleagues wrote in the paper. The fire would have incinerated land creatures, he said, while decreasing oxygen supplies and increasing the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. "There was a lot of soot, and that soot has been found," Hurdle said. The theory, also featured in this week's issue of New Scientist magazine, stems from the discovery of vast deposits of methane, a carbon-based molecule, under the sea floor that are locked in crystals of water ice, forming "methane hydrate." Marine geologist Erwin Suess and co-workers from the Research Center for Marine Geosciences in Germany estimate the total amount of carbon locked in these deposits exceeds the amount in all of the known coal, oil and gas reservoirs. What is more, methane hydrate is very unstable and releases methane if the temperature or pressure rises slightly above that existing under the seafloor. Interest, and skepticism Brown University's Peter Schultz, who studies impact craters and the processes that create them, says Hurdle's idea definitely merits further study. "The observation that there are these methane traps on the bottom of the ocean is pretty well established," Schultz told space.com. He said that while an ocean impact could certainly release this methane, he's not sure if the affect would be over a large enough area to release enough methane to cause the scenario Hurdle describes. "My reservation is whether or not the shock wave could have released as much methane as they say," Schultz said. And as planetary scientists John Lewis and Sidney van Den Bergh point out, there are several other dire consequences of the impact, (the site is known as the Chicxulub crater), that could explain the extinction of the dinosaurs. The methane hydrate proposal is seen by many researchers as credible, but may in fact have been a nail in the coffin rather than the exact cause. Evidence and likelihoods There is ample evidence of a global firestorm at the time of the Chicxulub impact. Iridium-bearing clay in the boundary layer between the Cretaceous Period (a time when dinosaurs roamed) and Tertiary Period (the subsequent geologic time frame when dinosaurs seem to have disappeared) contains soot. The quantity and composition of the soot corresponds to the burning of at least 50 percent of the world's forests. Although Hurdle's idea that methane fires were responsible for this firestorm is plausible, there is another simpler explanation. The Chicxulub impact would have launched millions of tons of rock into ballistic space flight. Over the following hour this debris would have re-entered the Earth's atmosphere at high speed, causing millions of brilliant "shooting stars." The radiant heat from these meteors alone would have been sufficient to ignite the trees around the world. This idea is supported by the discovery of charcoal in tsunami deposits near the impact site. The best explanation may be that the trees were ignited by radiant heat, then swamped soon after by the waves. The shock wave from the impact would indeed have triggered massive earthquakes in the region and indirectly triggered other earthquakes around the globe. A tsunami would have formed from the impact, which occurred in a shallow sea. The giant waves would also have been generated by the earthquakes and undersea landslides triggered by the shock wave. "Megawaves emanating from an impact site would circuit the earth at high speeds and cause worldwide disruption in the entire ocean in a single day," Hurdle and his colleagues wrote. Acid rain and a long, long winter Researchers say the impact fireball and the forest fires would have created huge quantities of nitrogen oxides, which react with water vapor to form acid rain. By chance, the Chicxulub asteroid struck rocks with an unusually large proportion of calcium sulfate. This would have generated sulfur dioxide -- another source of acid rain. There are several signs of a massive dose of acid rain at the time, including sudden weathering of continental rocks. The dust thrown up by the impact, the soot generated by the firestorms and the smog formed from the oxides of nitrogen and sulfur particles would have blocked sunlight for many months. The surface of the Earth would have plunged to freezing conditions -- typically 70 degrees Fahrenheit below normal -- and photosynthesis would not have been possible, even if plants had survived the fires and acid rain. Global warming After several months the dust would have settled and sunlight would have begun heating up the land. Now the greenhouse effect would have taken over due to the excess of carbon dioxide created by the fires and the melting of limestone rocks at the impact site. Methane released from ocean sediments could have added to the greenhouse effect. It has been estimated that the surface temperatures on Earth were at least 10 degrees Fahrenheit above normal for hundreds of thousands of years after the impact. So dinosaurs, if they were not consumed in a firestorm, would have had to live through a torturous sequence of events -- from the barbecue to the freezer, to a dip in acid and then a hothouse baking. Regardless of whether Hurdle's idea is correct, it agrees with mounting evidence that suggests how a massive asteroid impact at Chicxulub may have been the fatal blow to the dinosaurs, as well as 50 percent of all the Earth's species. |