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OH NO! -- Judge Rules New York Can Begin Collecting Cigarette Taxes On Indian Lands

 
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The local tribes have made threats of violence should this have been passed. Well now it has...

[link to morichesdaily.com]

A New York State appeals court lifted Tuesday the temporary order that prevented the state from collecting taxes on cigarettes sold to non-Indian customers. But the dominant tribe in the market remained temporarily immune from the tax.

Earlier this month, a state appellate judge restored the order that kept the state from collecting the $4.35 per-pack tax. The courtís five-judge panel later ruled the state properly approved regulations for the tax.

The Seneca and Cayuga nations say the fee violates their sovereign rights and will damage their economies. However, Governor David Paterson says the state needs the $200 million the tax is expected to generate.
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New York State is cash strapped and looking for the golden goose to solve the economic woes a liberal government finds itself lost spending spree, Governor Patterson is being held captive by the greed of the unions, and may have found his sticky fingers in a hornetís nest and all will be stung.
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No matter what any state might have to say about it, when this goes to a fed. appeals court, the Native Americans will win... they always do in cases like these.

Gambling, vice/sin taxes, self governance, etc...
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No matter what any state might have to say about it, when this goes to a fed. appeals court, the Native Americans will win... they always do in cases like these.

Gambling, vice/sin taxes, self governance, etc...
 Quoting: LennyDaRetard

And so it should be.
Fucking land thieves to take away the land and stick us onto small little patches of waste land.
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No matter what any state might have to say about it, when this goes to a fed. appeals court, the Native Americans will win... they always do in cases like these.

Gambling, vice/sin taxes, self governance, etc...
 Quoting: LennyDaRetard



I am not so sure remember the day of the Fort Hood shootings and obama had his nose up the Native Americans backsides and finally made mention of the slayings at Ft. Hood. If obama kisses the backside of any group, you can be sure that he will betray you and sure enough, obama followed up with the Pact Act.
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No matter what any state might have to say about it, when this goes to a fed. appeals court, the Native Americans will win... they always do in cases like these.

Gambling, vice/sin taxes, self governance, etc...

And so it should be.
Fucking land thieves to take away the land and stick us onto small little patches of waste land.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1098522


Waste lands for sure especially in Canada I was stationed at Cold Lake in Canada where there was a large Indian Reservation and as bad as Americans treat Native Americans Canada treats them worse.
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What really sickens me, is NY isn't even TRYING to come up with a decent excuse. If "We need the money" is a valid legal excuse, I can see muggings going through the roof...
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The local tribes have made threats of violence should this have been passed. Well now it has...

[link to morichesdaily.com]

A New York State appeals court lifted Tuesday the temporary order that prevented the state from collecting taxes on cigarettes sold to non-Indian customers.
 Quoting: DreamTheater


I've got a brillant idea...
make all customers honorary members of the tribe!

tounge

Screw NY taxes!!!!!
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09/15/2010 01:56 AM
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Explosions in the nesr future.
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No matter what any state might have to say about it, when this goes to a fed. appeals court, the Native Americans will win... they always do in cases like these.

Gambling, vice/sin taxes, self governance, etc...

And so it should be.
Fucking land thieves to take away the land and stick us onto small little patches of waste land.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1098522


+ a million!
This is BULLSHIT! It's a damn "Put'em in a corner and keep crowding them". I say do whatever is neccassary. F##k 'em!
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The local tribes have made threats of violence should this have been passed. Well now it has...

[link to morichesdaily.com]

A New York State appeals court lifted Tuesday the temporary order that prevented the state from collecting taxes on cigarettes sold to non-Indian customers. But the dominant tribe in the market remained temporarily immune from the tax.

Earlier this month, a state appellate judge restored the order that kept the state from collecting the $4.35 per-pack tax. The courtís five-judge panel later ruled the state properly approved regulations for the tax.

The Seneca and Cayuga nations say the fee violates their sovereign rights and will damage their economies. However, Governor David Paterson says the state needs the $200 million the tax is expected to generate.
 Quoting: DreamTheater

This sets a precedence that now not only can the State of New York impose tax collection for its own coffers from the Soverign Indian lands but also from every State in the Union as well as every nation on Earth....
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it'll get thrown out. A local judge can't rule that.
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What really sickens me, is NY isn't even TRYING to come up with a decent excuse. If "We need the money" is a valid legal excuse, I can see muggings going through the roof...
 Quoting: Calare

and armed robbery, kidnapping, child sex prostitution and trafficing, drug growing and selling, murder by the State for hire., State sexual rape for money.. yea, any excuse because they need the $$$ because everything has to be sacrficed to their god of Mammon - Money.
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it'll get thrown out. A local judge can't rule that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 769657

true enough. It's a federal issue because the treaties with the Indian Tribes are between the Federal Government and those Indian Tribes. Thsi thing has to go clear up to the SCOTUS and then evne to every single Tribal Government... A treaty is a pact, one that either party can dissolve if they see the other party breaking it.
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09/15/2010 02:12 AM
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I live in Seneca County where this is taking place. Most of the local sheep are such idiots about this issue. They are almost all against the Indians and think they should pay.

One of the saddest/funniest statements was from a family member when he was bitching about the Indians trying to take our land. He had no idea how ironic that was.
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Soverign Indian lands
^^^^THIS PEOPLE^^^^^^

Look up the word SOVERIGN (sp).
This is BULL. It is just ANOTHER broken PROMISE.
Sooner or later this crap will bring ugly results, mark my words.
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Soverign Indian lands
^^^^THIS PEOPLE^^^^^^

Look up the word SOVERIGN (sp).
This is BULL. It is just ANOTHER broken PROMISE.
Sooner or later this crap will bring ugly results, mark my words.
bump hiding
 Quoting: Pea Vine

The Indians are the only ones I've seen who have the balls to stand up to these criminals.
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The local tribes have made threats of violence should this have been passed. Well now it has...

[link to morichesdaily.com]

A New York State appeals court lifted Tuesday the temporary order that prevented the state from collecting taxes on cigarettes sold to non-Indian customers. But the dominant tribe in the market remained temporarily immune from the tax.

Earlier this month, a state appellate judge restored the order that kept the state from collecting the $4.35 per-pack tax. The courtís five-judge panel later ruled the state properly approved regulations for the tax.

The Seneca and Cayuga nations say the fee violates their sovereign rights and will damage their economies. However, Governor David Paterson says the state needs the $200 million the tax is expected to generate.
 Quoting: DreamTheater

man thats messed up, im moving to NY near a indian reservation with my cousin soon and he gets his cigg's real cheap from a Indian smoke shop
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09/15/2010 02:19 AM
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They want the new buffalo too: gaming, tobacco, etc.
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09/15/2010 02:24 AM
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Yea, let the tax man come on the Mohawk rez and try and collect - I was there in the early 90's when something similar was taking place and they shot down a state police helicopter. The natives play for keeps in NY if you mess wth their livelihood and they don't care.
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09/15/2010 02:32 AM
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I live in Seneca County where this is taking place. Most of the local sheep are such idiots about this issue. They are almost all against the Indians and think they should pay.

One of the saddest/funniest statements was from a family member when he was bitching about the Indians trying to take our land. He had no idea how ironic that was.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1099130


Get ready for Tire burning and no route west on 86..didn't they put something on the train tracks a couple of months ago and a train came to a sudden stop..I'm from the area too..This is not right to tax them a treaty is a treaty..
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Soverign Indian lands
^^^^THIS PEOPLE^^^^^^

Look up the word SOVERIGN (sp).
This is BULL. It is just ANOTHER broken PROMISE.
Sooner or later this crap will bring ugly results, mark my words.
bump hiding

The Indians are the only ones I've seen who have the balls to stand up to these criminals.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1099130


You just don't fuck with those that don't have anything much to lose. This is beyond pathetic. The Feds have WAY crossed the line. GOD, I wish the REST of the U.S. would get their head and their ass wired TOGETHER! It's comin' folks. If shit don't change, we're gonna be two-blocked. Not just with this issue, but all-together. They won't let us live and be well. Indian OR White. Just look at how they got us dodgin' and duckin'! The Feds are Creating a WHOLE NEW CRIMINAL CLASS!Earn money LEGALLY, then CHANGE the rules and STEAL the money right back!

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you can now expect "terrorist" attacks coming from indians in the near future... kind of like in the revolutionary days.
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The local tribes have made threats of violence should this have been passed. Well now it has...

[link to morichesdaily.com]

A New York State appeals court lifted Tuesday the temporary order that prevented the state from collecting taxes on cigarettes sold to non-Indian customers.


I've got a brillant idea...
make all customers honorary members of the tribe!

tounge

Screw NY taxes!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1099205


perfect, email them and tell them

i like it!
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The local tribes have made threats of violence should this have been passed. Well now it has...

[link to morichesdaily.com]

A New York State appeals court lifted Tuesday the temporary order that prevented the state from collecting taxes on cigarettes sold to non-Indian customers.


I've got a brillant idea...
make all customers honorary members of the tribe!

tounge

Screw NY taxes!!!!!


perfect, email them and tell them

i like it!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1071666


in fact, if every non-reservation American was adopted (legally) by an Indian, then would anyone have to pay taxes?

ANY taxes?

this should be explored!
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09/15/2010 03:51 AM
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The sooner EVERYONE rejects the colonialist corporation called the USA, the better off everyone will be. The tribes of North America will lead the counter-attack!!





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