[PIN] Alert!! How Elenin causes earthquake - 138x Tidal Force in late Sep than Mar 11!!!

Well. Sounds plausible. Thanks.

Can you explain the video of ejecting plasma in Pg 9?

I found comet Neat and CME from the Sun in 2003 were intriguing, but maybe unrelated to the current events of Elenin.

[link to www.thunderbolts.info]

An interesting read

Speaking of Neat.... Do you know if it ever had similar alignments with the Earth and sun as Elenin is having?

Interesting Question. The answer is no.

You can check the orbit diagram of Comet NEAT in NASA JPL Small Object Database

[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]

Nov 28, 2002, NEAT-Earth-Sun
Feb 18, 2003, Earth-NEAT-Sun

I don't find M7+ EQ around the two dates

[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]
[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]

The result is predictable because the inclination of Comet NEAT is 81.706°. The CME caused by NEAT wasn't directed to Earth at all.

Here's a brand spanking new image of Elenin from SLOOH. Unfortunately SLOOH's camera didn't go deep enough to spot the asteroid I'm after (plus it may have been obscured by a nearby magnitude 15 galaxy), and it's too hazy here for me to have any hope of capturing it tonight, but I'll just keep trying when the weather clears.
[link to flickr.com]
Nonetheless, the image does show that Elenin is still following its predicted orbit with exacting precision. You can see the time in GMT that the image was taken, right there on the image. Here are the coordinates Elenin should have been at at that moment:
10 27 43.87 +08 07 41.5
And here are the coordinates it was detected at according to astrometry:
10h 27m 44s, +8d 07' 42"
Well within the 2.15 arcsecond per pixel resolution of the image, it's right where it should be. Now if the weather would just clear up a bit, I'd be set.

I see. Thank you

So if the encounter is not captured by someone on internet, the next step is to track 1999 RQ176, right?

If it's not perturbed by Elenin, we should be able to find it where it should be in the next couple of days. Otherwise, something is wrong.



Last Edited by Geophysical Events on 05/21/2011 04:29 AM

Right, you should be able to find it on its orbit, provided you can capture magnitude 19 objects. It requires perfect conditions and very long exposures.

If SLOOH had gone deep enough to capture it, this is where it would be in the image. There is a bit of noise there, but I'm not confident enough to say that's really the asteroid. Searching for another farther asteroid in the same field (Davidhardy) produced a similar result; something might be there, but might just be camera noise.

The object at the top left corner is a magnitude 15 galaxy, the asteroid's predicted position is right in the middle of the image. There are some pixels there, but it's right at the noise level of the camera.
[link to i319.photobucket.com]

I'm not sure if I want to attempt going after it tonight with my telescope or wait til tomorrow night; I don't want to miss catching ISS tomorrow morning before sunrise. That's my top priority, the asteroid will still be there sunday night, perturbed or not.

Last Edited by Astromut on 05/21/2011 10:02 AM

Pity, let's see if we can spot the asteroid next week.

1999 RQ176 is indeed very dim, but it is the last close encounter. 4336 Jasniewicz is brighter, can we observe it with the position derived from old orbital data? It should be easier.

Last Edited by Geophysical Events on 05/21/2011 10:47 AM

Thanks for that answer and for the direction to the link.
I guess I can't use the comet Neat didn't do anything to Earth, so Elenin won't theory anymore.

4336 Jasniewicz might be a possibility, it would certainly also show perturbations if Elenin were a massive object and it is a magnitude brighter, but I'm going to give 1999 RQ176 another shot tonight, this time with multiple stacked long exposure images from SLOOH's .5 meter telescope to try to bring it out. That way I can focus my own telescope on getting ISS tomorrow morning before sunrise.

I HOPE THE NIGHT WAS CLEAR.

Waiting with high hopes.

Got it, finally (at some personal cost to myself). It's faint as hell, and this was with a telescope as large as GLP's new main scope, this one located in the Canary Islands. Different optical design though. First, here's the image of 1999 RQ176. Elenin's clearly visible on the right end of the image as well.
[link to flickr.com]
The purple sheen is just due to white balance issues. Asteroid 1999 RQ176 is just barely visible. This is actually a stack of 4 exposure runs of the telescope, the first exposure ending at 22:34:31 GMT May 21st.

Elenin's position was predicted to be 10h 27m 32.27s, +08d 09' 03.5". According to astrometry, it was detected at 10h 27m 32s, +08d 09' 04", well within the 2.15 arcsecond per pixel resolution of the image.

Asteroid 1999 RQ176 was predicted to be at 10h 28m 35.60s, +08d 05' 23.1". According to the same astrometry, it was actually detected at 10h 28m 36s, +08d 05' 23", again right on the money and within the resolution of the image.

Elenin failed to detectably perturb this little asteroid at all despite encountering it at a very close distance of 0.002 AUs and even pelting it with its tail as it passed between the asteroid and sun during that close approach. I hope this sets some minds at ease.

I still hope that you can provide two photos to prove that it's actually a moving asteroid instead of a remote star.

I think I can happily call this thread DEBUNKED once I see the photos of moving RQ176.

Let's move the discussion to your thread Thread: Elenin fails to perturb a small asteroid at 0.002 AUs distance

Last Edited by Geophysical Events on 05/22/2011 03:40 AM

start watching at around the 2:40 mark



Mercury, Venus, Mars, Elenin alignment for June 23rd-27th
Sun, Mercury, Elenin, Saturn alognment for July 7th

7.2 2011/06/24 03:09:40 52.008 -171.859 62.6 FOX ISLANDS, ALEUTIAN ISLANDS, ALASKA
6.3 2011/06/24 06:33:07 -10.919 165.945 62.6 SANTA CRUZ ISLANDS

here is a link to the Indonesia Lake changing color and the fish kill of June 20th that he talks about
[link to theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com]