For Christians: The scriptural basis for the pre-tribulational Rapture

Did the OP call halftime?

Is it time to rest and eat a sandwich now?

LOL ... I don't know about the OP, but I am taking a break.
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He reached his butt hurt quota.
This requires a yet to be determined amount of pouting in the fetal position in the corner.

BOO!

lol

Was that a typo? Boo-Hoo sounds closer to being right.

The problem is that Chuck Missler is a false teacher.

Great! Keep spreading the teachings of men OP.

Matthew 15:8-9

King James Version (KJV)

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

As for Missler.

Matthew 23:15

King James Version (KJV)

15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

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Last Edited by Keep2theCode on 11/18/2013 05:13 PM

Total Fail.

Jesus was murdered.

The Apostles were murdered.

50 million Bible believing Christians were murdered by the Vatican during the Inquisition, otherwise known as the "Dark Ages". They were dark because the Vatican was murdering everyone that did not submit to papal authority.

Millions more around the world have been murdered and are currently being murdered.

What makes people today "special" in your view?

This is the most wicked generation that has ever lived and you say that we will be raptured.

We are still waiting..... should we begin praying for your rapture? Just tell us and we will all pray that God will rapture you.

Dr. Missler is recognized as one of the greatest Biblical scholars of our time. Not to mention that he's a scientist, and approaches EVERYTHING from a scientific, factual perspective. Including the Holy Scriptures.

OP - are you familiar with the Pre-trib Research Center? Its located at [link to pre-trib.org]

With OVER 60 PhDs contributing heavily researched articles supporting the ptr .. its almost laughable to listen to any opposing articles.

Thanks for saying this. Nobody will hear it from me.

Also very familiar with the PTRC; Dr. Thomas Ice is one of my favorite pre-trib teachers. Pretty sure I included a link to that in the OP, but I'll have to check. I've spent many hours reading the articles there.

ADDED: Well, I must have been thinking of another article elsewhere that I posted the link in. Here it is for anyone interested: [link to pre-trib.org] (the articles page to the link you gave above)

Also [link to www.raptureready.com]

Last Edited by Keep2theCode on 11/18/2013 06:46 PM

Thank you.

I've tried to tell them similar things, but as you can see, it only results in more abuse from the Pharisees. They really do think that they "sit in Moses' seat" and take the place of the Holy Spirit, even to the point of calling me a "whore of Satan" in red karma. How such people can think themselves righteous, only God knows.

This article by Dr. Ice is against date-setting, which is really a lapse into the historicist hermeneutic. There's nothing new about trying to guess the timing of the Rapture from the feasts of Israel, but it is new to use this method with a pre-trib approach. The two just don't fit together.

[link to www.raptureready.com]

If you want to worship Chuck Missler, a FALSE TEACHER, then that is what you will do. Chuck Missler is not stupid, he is just fooling people. Did he fool you?

People want to worship that "pastor" and you think that's just fine. But let a whole boatload of scholars DISAGREE WITH YOU and that makes them "false teachers" who fool people. Of course, nobody ever fooled YOU, because you are infallible and perfect and godlike.

You, AC, have been royally fooled.

(I'm only bothering to say this because you're attacking someone else rather than me.)

This ("rapture") subject more than any other (for Christians), grieves my heart, deeply; very deeply. It's the only topic here, that I can remember where I've come back to continue to read this and repost. the reason is because it's so important from God's perspective. Even Paul says, (in 2 Thess 3:14), that "if any man obey not our word by this epistle...have no company with him.") Paul talks specifically of this subject, so it's hugely important. It will affect many (that profess the Lord's name - as the end days unfold) to not only, not be ready...but also to deny Him and even take the "Mark" (because after all, they ("we") shouldn't be here during the Mark - therefore it "can't be the Mark".)

It's just horrific.

I looked at the (pre - trib) site and decided to read part of one article. It just again grieves me; terribly, and I wasn't disappointed (saddened). It was the article by (Dr. Thomas Ice, "A Thief in the Night"). I just picked one, by chance.

It didn't take long...for time I skipped down and the first paragraph I read, just "blew me away" with (mishandling of Scripture).

Here's just part:

"It should be noted that Paul clearly identifies his topic as �the day of the Lord" (as he quotes 1 Thess. 5:2).

But he then ignores the verses immediately above it, that describe the (same discussion) that Paul is speaking: "THE COMING OF THE LORD" (chap. 4, vs. 15), as well as ignoring then the immediate verses after Paul describes THE COMING OF THE LORD (that specifically include the rapture):

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God AND THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST, THEN WE WHICH ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN SHALL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. and so shall be ever be with the Lord." (vs. 17). "Wherefore comfort one another with these words." (vs. 18)

Paul then says to comfort yourselves with these words, and the next verse says, "for yourselves know perfectly well that THE DAY OF THE LORD so comes as a thief in the night..."

Paul linked the "COMING OF THE LORD" as the same event as "THE DAY OF THE LORD"

But unless you knew the scriptures, you wouldn't know that; all you'd see is "THE DAY OF THE LORD". Further, you wouldn't see that the RESURRECTION and the RAPTURE are described as exactly the same event...and (per vs. 15 - 17 of chapter 4), they both happen at the same time, at THE COMING OF THE LORD).

Remember, it takes (how many? "60 PhD's") to defend false teaching...teaching that puts souls at risk but profits soaring. Jesus was familiar with PhD's and "doctors" of law.

Praise God

But the vicious evil being thrown at me or anyone who sides with me doesn't grieve your heart at all.

You're just begging me to post that Summary again.

Just because you lack wisdom and understanding, does that mean that we all must lower ourselves to your level? I will not.

Matthew 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

Matthew 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

Matthew 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

Notice that the servants can recognize tares when they see them. It was the Master who decided what should be done about the tares, but the servants knew what they were seeing.

If you have trouble knowing if an orange is an orange and an apple is an apple, then so be it. Those servants knew wheat from tares and so do I.

I see Keep2theCode and I know a tare when I see one.

Listen, all "trash" talking - whether aimed at you or others, is not of God.

Yes, I hate reading that; it seems like it's par for the times.

May people see that time is short.

Bless you.

Praise God

Don't make me come down there, AC 50170155

Last Edited by Keep2theCode on 11/18/2013 07:49 PM

Wow, talking for God now too? I guess you can add being a false prophet as well as a false teacher to your long list of shame.

Fair enough, but when you say the pre-trib view grieves your heart, you're saying that everyone who believes it is deficient or deluded.

I have bent over backwards to explain the pre-trib view and keep the thread on the topic of refuting lies being spread about it. I've given many scripture references, many links for further reading, and posted an in-depth summary for those who won't read the OP or all these pages of comments.

So if I see something in scripture you disagree with, it grieves your heart. This in itself grieves mine, because it casts aspersions on thousands or millions of people who diligently study scripture and just reach a different conclusion. If anyone would actually read what I and others have posted, they would see that it is NOT dangerous or heretical or stupid.

Now you made me laugh again.

You are a Straw Man and I have matches.

This is the kind of juvenile response I've come to expect from pre-trib haters.

I'm SO scared!!

Wow......who knows Scripture? Emotional responses suggest that there is room for improvement in some people's knowledge. Scoulding everyone over things that they don't understand is unwise.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Matthew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Jesus said these words to Peter, His own apostle

Matthew 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

Matthew 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Too many people think that Jesus was a sissy and that all Christians should act like a sissy.

Some of us KNOW Scripture.

I know. You have been running away all day.

When do you want us to start praying for your rapture?

If you want to be raptured, we want to help make that happen.

We are all givers like that.