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Anonymous Coward User ID: 21687950 United States 01/06/2013 04:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Background and mental health checks are, on the face of it, not bad ideas. Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux They're already required on purchases made from dealers. I'm assuming that they want to extend that to private sales as well. At face value, that's something I could support, but its unenforceable, given that tens of millions of firearms are floating around out there that are unregistered, yet fully legal. It would require the establishment of a national gun registry, something that will be vehemently opposed by gun rights supporters, given their fears that it'll eventually be used against them for confiscation. |
JUST HERE (OP) User ID: 25610447 United States 01/06/2013 05:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Background and mental health checks are, on the face of it, not bad ideas. Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux They're already required on purchases made from dealers. I'm assuming that they want to extend that to private sales as well. At face value, that's something I could support, but its unenforceable, given that tens of millions of firearms are floating around out there that are unregistered, yet fully legal. It would require the establishment of a national gun registry, something that will be vehemently opposed by gun rights supporters, given their fears that it'll eventually be used against them for confiscation. probably more laws :glp sign: |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 21687950 United States 01/06/2013 05:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Undoubtedly, yes, they're going to pass something. I think its going to be a lot less than Obama and the Democrats want. They're likely to get tighter background checks, tougher criminal gun penalties and probably closure of the gun show loophole as a compromise. Magazine limits have a better chance than a broad based AWB, which I think has virtually no chance in the House. Simply put, the GOP has no reason to vote for this. They gain little to nothing by voting for it. The downside for voting against a major gun ban is that they lose a small percentage of moderates for a cycle or two. The downside of voting for it? The GOP would lose about a third of their voting base in rural conservative districts PERMANENTLY. It would be the quickest route to ending the GOP as a national party. |
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Trbl Ivan User ID: 26757056 United States 01/06/2013 05:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now is time to invest in..... private jail corporations .....patent algorithm for risk factors of "possibly" unstable persons... This is so shtazi/kgb play book. You people speak so lightly of war; you don't know what you're talking about. Sherman |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 15901546 Switzerland 01/06/2013 06:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SERIOUSLY??? He has succeeded at 'immigration reform' and 'deficit reduction' is this a joke? THEN WE HAVE THIS: Biden’s group has expanded its focus to include measures that would not need congressional approval and could be quickly implemented by executive action EXECUTIVE GUN CONTROL ORDER. Constitution? Who needs it! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26944204 United States 01/06/2013 06:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The gun-control push is just one part of an ambitious political agenda that Obama has pledged to pursue after his decisive reelection victory in November, including comprehensive immigration reform, climate-change legislation and long-term deficit reduction. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15901546 SERIOUSLY??? He has succeeded at 'immigration reform' and 'deficit reduction' is this a joke? THEN WE HAVE THIS: Biden’s group has expanded its focus to include measures that would not need congressional approval and could be quickly implemented by executive action EXECUTIVE GUN CONTROL ORDER. Constitution? Who needs it! +10. This is a serious abuse of power, if an executive gun control order is enacted, this president should be held for treason. Its just fucking mind boggling. I don't know how to even comprehend such a slap in the face to America. God help us all. |
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American Sith: Darth Shillerus User ID: 30587851 United States 01/06/2013 07:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The White House is weighing a far broader and more comprehensive approach to curbing the nation’s gun violence than simply reinstating an expired ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition, according to multiple people involved in the administration’s discussions. Quoting: JUST HERE A working group led by Vice President Biden is seriously considering measures backed by key law enforcement leaders that would require universal background checks for firearm buyers, track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database, strengthen mental health checks, and stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors, the sources said. [link to www.washingtonpost.com] Which one of these awful ideas address the issue directly? A nutter steals his intellectually defunct mothers guns, kills her, then goes on a rampage because he didn't get the "GI Joe with the Kung Foo Grip" he wanted. Tyranny is only 1 nutjob away. Never waste a crisis---Rhom Emmanuel (GLP aka American Jedi) Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth. Kenny Powers If you steal the dreams of others long enough, sooner or later you'll end up in a nightmare. American Jedi Intellectuals solve problems, geniuses prevent them. Albert Einstein Satis Eloquentiae, Sapientiae Parum.... "The last of the old?" "No, the first of the new." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31505819 Ireland 01/06/2013 07:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Almost all of these attacks took place in gun free zones. Now Imagine every public place in the USA is a gun free zone except the outdoors. Its a recipe for disaster which is probably what they want anyway. The only way to curb the psychopath violence is by addressing the mental rejects directly, not by gun control. Just listened a CtoC show where the shrink said these kids on anti depressants possibly have a missing enzyme in their system that keeps them from fully metabolizing the drugs. When the Docs up there doses they go psycho and become unstable. The entire story stinks to high heaven. Either its a staged event, and my bet is from forces outside the USA with this 110# kid as a patsy or its for real and whoever you can guess is bending the story to fit their agenda. If the metal rejects of the world cant get guns, they will use explosives, none of that then knives, no knives then fire, on and on. It will never end even if they confiscate all guns. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19108954 United States 01/06/2013 08:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Background and mental health checks are, on the face of it, not bad ideas. Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux Mental health checks meaning what? What constitutes a mental health condition that warrants removal of a person's 2nd Amendment right? I hope you realize that basically every human emotion/emotional response has basically been deemed a mental disorder by the American Psychological Association. Think about this and the ramifications prior to supporting the mental health option. |
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Ralph--a house dog User ID: 25802009 United States 01/06/2013 08:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Background and mental health checks are, on the face of it, not bad ideas. Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux Depends on the details. I read last week that one politician said that anyone who had EVER been prescribed any type of mental health medication should forever be denied gun ownership. (The Obamacare database is trying to collect ALL medical records and any info they get will be used against you in some manner.) That means someone grieving for a deceased spouse who took valium for a week or two would be out of luck, someone who took ritalin for ADD in school, someone depressed over a divorce or job loss who took an anti depressant for a couple of months could never own a firearm. They could even attribute PTSD to any combat veteran. If they include anything like this in legislation OR IF THEY JUST SHIFT IT OVER TO THE BATF TO MAKE SUCH A RULE, it will effective ban all guns for a huge percentage of the population. Last Edited by Ralph--a house dog on 01/06/2013 08:36 PM "Do Not Go Gentle into that Good Night.....Rage, rage against the dying of the light"-----Dylan Thomas HIS NAME IS SETH RICH [link to biblicalselfdefense.com] [link to forum.1111ers.blog] Always remember that "for the greater good" will not include YOU. "Who decides?" ---Robert A. Heinlein -'Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech.'—Benjamin Franklin [link to www.westcoasttruth.com] The only thing worth paying full retail for is pantyhose. You cannot do all of the good the world needs, but the world needs all of the good you can do. |
Ralph--a house dog User ID: 25802009 United States 01/06/2013 08:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The gun-control push is just one part of an ambitious political agenda that Obama has pledged to pursue after his decisive reelection victory in November, including comprehensive immigration reform, climate-change legislation and long-term deficit reduction. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15901546 SERIOUSLY??? He has succeeded at 'immigration reform' and 'deficit reduction' is this a joke? THEN WE HAVE THIS: Biden’s group has expanded its focus to include measures that would not need congressional approval and could be quickly implemented by executive action EXECUTIVE GUN CONTROL ORDER. Constitution? Who needs it! They could direct the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms to re-write their rules, since the various agencies are generally responsible for deciding exactly how laws are applied, keeping within the legislation that created those laws. That's a dangerous amount of leeway for assholes who do not respect the Constitution. "Do Not Go Gentle into that Good Night.....Rage, rage against the dying of the light"-----Dylan Thomas HIS NAME IS SETH RICH [link to biblicalselfdefense.com] [link to forum.1111ers.blog] Always remember that "for the greater good" will not include YOU. "Who decides?" ---Robert A. Heinlein -'Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech.'—Benjamin Franklin [link to www.westcoasttruth.com] The only thing worth paying full retail for is pantyhose. You cannot do all of the good the world needs, but the world needs all of the good you can do. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4655644 United States 01/06/2013 08:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am still waiting for someone to even ask the question of why these assaults for the most part are all happening in schools, even going back to the Texas Tower event in, what, the 70's? With all of the screwing the American workers are getting these days by their employers, the number of workplace incidents are almost non-existent, while the schools are the prime stage. Am I the only person wondering why? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30670070 United States 01/06/2013 09:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Background and mental health checks are, on the face of it, not bad ideas. Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux They're already required on purchases made from dealers. I'm assuming that they want to extend that to private sales as well. At face value, that's something I could support, but its unenforceable, given that tens of millions of firearms are floating around out there that are unregistered, yet fully legal. It would require the establishment of a national gun registry, something that will be vehemently opposed by gun rights supporters, given their fears that it'll eventually be used against them for confiscation. The Journal-News will publish the list. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30670070 United States 01/06/2013 09:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am still waiting for someone to even ask the question of why these assaults for the most part are all happening in schools, even going back to the Texas Tower event in, what, the 70's? Quoting: Black Knight With all of the screwing the American workers are getting these days by their employers, the number of workplace incidents are almost non-existent, while the schools are the prime stage. Am I the only person wondering why? I'm not wondering why, but it's the right question. The answer (of course you know this) is that false-flags are most effective in unarmed schools. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30670070 United States 01/06/2013 09:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Background and mental health checks are, on the face of it, not bad ideas. Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux Mental health checks meaning what? What constitutes a mental health condition that warrants removal of a person's 2nd Amendment right? I hope you realize that basically every human emotion/emotional response has basically been deemed a mental disorder by the American Psychological Association. Think about this and the ramifications prior to supporting the mental health option. Exactly. Ever talk to a psychologist? They're batshits! You want these asshats deciding whether or not you will die? This. I used to live in an apartment below a psychiatrist. He had constant fights with his wife and kids and seemed like a nutcase. People go into shrinkology to work on their own issues, very often. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30670070 United States 01/06/2013 09:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The gun-control push is just one part of an ambitious political agenda that Obama has pledged to pursue after his decisive reelection victory in November, including comprehensive immigration reform, climate-change legislation and long-term deficit reduction. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15901546 SERIOUSLY??? He has succeeded at 'immigration reform' and 'deficit reduction' is this a joke? THEN WE HAVE THIS: Biden’s group has expanded its focus to include measures that would not need congressional approval and could be quickly implemented by executive action EXECUTIVE GUN CONTROL ORDER. Constitution? Who needs it! They've got the bluster turned up full .. The part about gun-control measures including those that do not require congressional approval sounds good, because it means he's unsure about getting congressional approval. The debunkers of Sandy Hook may have blunted their plan! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 4655644 United States 01/06/2013 10:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am still waiting for someone to even ask the question of why these assaults for the most part are all happening in schools, even going back to the Texas Tower event in, what, the 70's? Quoting: Black Knight With all of the screwing the American workers are getting these days by their employers, the number of workplace incidents are almost non-existent, while the schools are the prime stage. Am I the only person wondering why? I'm not wondering why, but it's the right question. The answer (of course you know this) is that false-flags are most effective in unarmed schools. Yes, you are right. As I parent I am well aware how the government uses our children to screw us out of massive amounts of cash. They sell drugs to the kids, and even have sex with them. Now they kill them so that they can use weapon confiscation to kill us too. Never forget that the schools ARE the government, and possibly the most corrupt branch as well. |