Sandy Hook: Why did Roig, Roig's ex, Cox and Halstead think cops were fake? | |
Dudeashaneo User ID: 58693384 United States 08/29/2014 10:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just struck me...Cox and Halstead must have thought cops were fake, too. Just like Roig and her ex did. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49579611 Why in God's name did Roig think the cops she saw open her door were "not the police?" Why did Cox and Halstead listen to police two inches away from them for four hours, apparently thinking they were bad guys? When police called Roig's ex, why did he tell them he didn't believe they were police? Why would anyone sit in a closet for 4 hours? 4 hours. Did anyone interview Halsted about this? This makes no sense. If Cox and Halsted were in the office hiding....and the incident was over for...4 hours before they came out..... Why did Sally say she was told to close her eyes? For what? Everyone that was killed were in classrooms down the hall..................there would have been nothing to see.....unless she had a fear of broken glass.... or maybe she was told to say this. Maybe they told her to say she was told to close her eyes so she would not have a conflicting story. Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here? |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 49579611 United States 08/30/2014 01:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just struck me...Cox and Halstead must have thought cops were fake, too. Just like Roig and her ex did. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49579611 Why in God's name did Roig think the cops she saw open her door were "not the police?" Why did Cox and Halstead listen to police two inches away from them for four hours, apparently thinking they were bad guys? When police called Roig's ex, why did he tell them he didn't believe they were police? Why would anyone sit in a closet for 4 hours? 4 hours. Did anyone interview Halsted about this? This makes no sense. If Cox and Halsted were in the office hiding....and the incident was over for...4 hours before they came out..... Why did Sally say she was told to close her eyes? For what? Everyone that was killed were in classrooms down the hall..................there would have been nothing to see.....unless she had a fear of broken glass.... or maybe she was told to say this. Maybe they told her to say she was told to close her eyes so she would not have a conflicting story. No kidding--four hours--she must have had a hell of a strong reason to believe police would harm her (or some other equally baffling scenario). I mean--they did look for other shooters for a looooong time. Maybe they heard this and didn't want to risk coming out? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 61526857 Canada 08/30/2014 09:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just struck me...Cox and Halstead must have thought cops were fake, too. Just like Roig and her ex did. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49579611 Why in God's name did Roig think the cops she saw open her door were "not the police?" Why did Cox and Halstead listen to police two inches away from them for four hours, apparently thinking they were bad guys? When police called Roig's ex, why did he tell them he didn't believe they were police? Why would anyone sit in a closet for 4 hours? 4 hours. Did anyone interview Halsted about this? This makes no sense. If Cox and Halsted were in the office hiding....and the incident was over for...4 hours before they came out..... Why did Sally say she was told to close her eyes? For what? Everyone that was killed were in classrooms down the hall..................there would have been nothing to see.....unless she had a fear of broken glass.... or maybe she was told to say this. Maybe they told her to say she was told to close her eyes so she would not have a conflicting story. LoL Exactly. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 49579611 United States 08/30/2014 10:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't know if it could be much clearer that the first shooter she saw was wearing a police uniform. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61705678 United States 08/30/2014 10:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just struck me...Cox and Halstead must have thought cops were fake, too. Just like Roig and her ex did. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49579611 Why in God's name did Roig think the cops she saw open her door were "not the police?" Why did Cox and Halstead listen to police two inches away from them for four hours, apparently thinking they were bad guys? When police called Roig's ex, why did he tell them he didn't believe they were police? Why would anyone sit in a closet for 4 hours? 4 hours. Did anyone interview Halsted about this? This makes no sense. If Cox and Halsted were in the office hiding....and the incident was over for...4 hours before they came out..... Why did Sally say she was told to close her eyes? For what? Everyone that was killed were in classrooms down the hall..................there would have been nothing to see.....unless she had a fear of broken glass.... or maybe she was told to say this. Maybe they told her to say she was told to close her eyes so she would not have a conflicting story. Can['t help but think, by her keeping her eyes closed, they avoided having to kill her. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62363394 United States 08/31/2014 12:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just struck me...Cox and Halstead must have thought cops were fake, too. Just like Roig and her ex did. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49579611 Why in God's name did Roig think the cops she saw open her door were "not the police?" Why did Cox and Halstead listen to police two inches away from them for four hours, apparently thinking they were bad guys? When police called Roig's ex, why did he tell them he didn't believe they were police? Why would anyone sit in a closet for 4 hours? 4 hours. Did anyone interview Halsted about this? This makes no sense. If Cox and Halsted were in the office hiding....and the incident was over for...4 hours before they came out..... Why did Sally say she was told to close her eyes? For what? Everyone that was killed were in classrooms down the hall..................there would have been nothing to see.....unless she had a fear of broken glass.... or maybe she was told to say this. Maybe they told her to say she was told to close her eyes so she would not have a conflicting story. Can['t help but think, by her keeping her eyes closed, they avoided having to kill her. Interesting points, all. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56581164 United States 08/31/2014 03:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WTH? Does this sound remotely to reality in any fashion? Could this, would this, ever happen in the real world? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62363394 United States 08/31/2014 03:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All four of these people's behavior give a strong indication that the perps may have been dressed as policemen, or somehow identified themselves as police. What better way to disappear into a town that is about to be flooded with police from every possible department? Do we know, in fact, that it WASN'T perpetrated by cops? I remember an early theory involving cops as perps, based on the fact that the entire region was embroiled in a vicious dispute over dispatch center consolidation. Dispatch centers were being closed and centralized, and in one of the 911 calls between Dispatcher Brennan and a retired cop, in fact, they are both shaking their heads about what a mess consolidation is. A familiar name, in fact, shows up in these disputes: Sgt Bill Cario was one of the only CSP guys to go public with clear disapproval of the consolidation; he was in opposition to Vance, Malloy, and other mucky-mucks who of course were arguing for consolidation. There was so much strife in Newtown and the area, between heated school board fights and dispatch issues, that it's hard to pick who was most likely to take out anger on a K-4 school (or, more likely, specific individuals in that school). But look what happened--Unified Command was a mess that day (as in nonexistent). There were no comms between NPD and CSP other than a lonely phone call between Barocsi and Loomis, no Incident Commander we can identify, no egress route integrity--the flood of international attention after the fact has completely eclipsed (or been directed to eclipse) the horrific problems with the emergency response. What topic has ever been shilled harder? Point being that if dispatch consolidation--which included staff reduction--was exposed as being a deadly mistake, isn't it fair to ask whether someone acted purposely to expose it as such? You've fought for a year against consolidation, saying it's dangerous as hell, and foolish, and has already cost lives (it had), but the cuts just keep coming. Wouldn't it be tempting to prove once and for all what a fatal disaster consolidation was, and have the top brass take the fall for 26 deaths in the process? How many more cops had to be severely injured (as had already happened), due to 911 call system failure? How many more civilians dead (as had already happened)? No one was listening. The problem with Sandy Hook is not one, lone 20 year old with no motive--it's more like 100 30-50-somethings with motive to spare. One Newtowner posted--within an hour of the shootings--"And that's why you don't hold a referendum when school is in session." Why did Roig, Vest (her ex), Cox and Halstead feel convinced cops were bad guys? |
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Dudeashaneo User ID: 58693384 United States 08/31/2014 05:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All four of these people's behavior give a strong indication that the perps may have been dressed as policemen, or somehow identified themselves as police. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62363394 What better way to disappear into a town that is about to be flooded with police from every possible department? Do we know, in fact, that it WASN'T perpetrated by cops? I remember an early theory involving cops as perps, based on the fact that the entire region was embroiled in a vicious dispute over dispatch center consolidation. Dispatch centers were being closed and centralized, and in one of the 911 calls between Dispatcher Brennan and a retired cop, in fact, they are both shaking their heads about what a mess consolidation is. A familiar name, in fact, shows up in these disputes: Sgt Bill Cario was one of the only CSP guys to go public with clear disapproval of the consolidation; he was in opposition to Vance, Malloy, and other mucky-mucks who of course were arguing for consolidation. There was so much strife in Newtown and the area, between heated school board fights and dispatch issues, that it's hard to pick who was most likely to take out anger on a K-4 school (or, more likely, specific individuals in that school). But look what happened--Unified Command was a mess that day (as in nonexistent). There were no comms between NPD and CSP other than a lonely phone call between Barocsi and Loomis, no Incident Commander we can identify, no egress route integrity--the flood of international attention after the fact has completely eclipsed (or been directed to eclipse) the horrific problems with the emergency response. What topic has ever been shilled harder? Point being that if dispatch consolidation--which included staff reduction--was exposed as being a deadly mistake, isn't it fair to ask whether someone acted purposely to expose it as such? You've fought for a year against consolidation, saying it's dangerous as hell, and foolish, and has already cost lives (it had), but the cuts just keep coming. Wouldn't it be tempting to prove once and for all what a fatal disaster consolidation was, and have the top brass take the fall for 26 deaths in the process? How many more cops had to be severely injured (as had already happened), due to 911 call system failure? How many more civilians dead (as had already happened)? No one was listening. The problem with Sandy Hook is not one, lone 20 year old with no motive--it's more like 100 30-50-somethings with motive to spare. One Newtowner posted--within an hour of the shootings--"And that's why you don't hold a referendum when school is in session." Why did Roig, Vest (her ex), Cox and Halstead feel convinced cops were bad guys? You keep wading back into the scenario where the government sponsored and covered up the actual killers of children. I simply cannot make that leap. Just can't. Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 62363394 United States 08/31/2014 09:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not saying government, unless you mean local government. Most crimes are personal and local in nature--not national. To a great extent, it doesn't matter what happened; what matters is that evidence points to police and officials lying about what happened. I'm saying they're lying about gunshots fired after 9:46:54, and you're saying "nothing happened." But either way, they're lying when they say "At 9:40:03 a.m. the last shot was fired inside Sandy Hook School." The only difference in our approach is that I'm holding them accountable using their own sworn statements. Regardless of any underlying hoax, the official story as they have sworn to it is wrong, according to their own statements when compared with their own audio documents. In other words, it's incorrect in and of itself--and I believe it's actionable, in and of itself. You can't tell the American people the "final shot was at 9:40," and then provide evidence it wasn't, and expect it to never be addressed. The JFK case is proof of that. Will we get prosecutions? Who knows. But I'll be satisfied with the equivalent of the House Select Committee on School Shootings stating someday, "Stephen Sedensky lied." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75635534 United States 04/19/2018 10:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not saying government, unless you mean local government. Most crimes are personal and local in nature--not national. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62363394 To a great extent, it doesn't matter what happened; what matters is that evidence points to police and officials lying about what happened. I'm saying they're lying about gunshots fired after 9:46:54, and you're saying "nothing happened." But either way, they're lying when they say "At 9:40:03 a.m. the last shot was fired inside Sandy Hook School." The only difference in our approach is that I'm holding them accountable using their own sworn statements. Regardless of any underlying hoax, the official story as they have sworn to it is wrong, according to their own statements when compared with their own audio documents. In other words, it's incorrect in and of itself--and I believe it's actionable, in and of itself. You can't tell the American people the "final shot was at 9:40," and then provide evidence it wasn't, and expect it to never be addressed. The JFK case is proof of that. Will we get prosecutions? Who knows. But I'll be satisfied with the equivalent of the House Select Committee on School Shootings stating someday, "Stephen Sedensky lied." ^This |