California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed | |
Crunch62 User ID: 1165847 United States 02/03/2023 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed PST RES ELE FEET STORAGE AF OUTFLOW CFS INFLOW CFS RIV REL CFS RAIN INCHES BAT VOL VOLTS 02/03/2023 00:00 811.09 2,319,382 2,053 5,467 984 24.04 13.4 02/03/2023 01:00 811.12 2,319,734 2,106 5,682 973 24.04 13.4 02/03/2023 02:00 811.14 2,319,969 2,156 5,733 974 24.04 13.4 02/03/2023 03:00 811.16 2,320,203 2,135 5,064 973 24.04 13.4 02/03/2023 04:00 811.17 2,320,321 1,905 4,280 984 24.04 13.4 02/03/2023 05:00 811.19 2,320,556 0 4,288 985 24.04 13.4 02/03/2023 06:00 811.21 2,320,791 0 3,789 984 24.04 13.4 02/03/2023 07:00 811.26 2,321,378 0 4,254 984 24.04 13.4 02/03/2023 08:00 811.29 2,321,730 0 5,581 971 24.04 13.4 02/03/2023 09:00 811.32 2,322,082 0 5,030 971 24.04 13.4 02/03/2023 10:00 811.37 2,322,670 0 5,867 971 24.04 13.4 02/03/2023 11:00 811.40 2,323,023 0 5,625 982 24.04 13.4 I've been married so long, I don't even look both ways when I cross the street. |
Prayandprepare000 User ID: 78116487 United States 02/03/2023 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Question - what would DWR have to gain by allowing the dam to fail? Spending millions of dollars to fix the issues from 2017 only to have it kill people if it failed? Serious question..no shade intended. Quoting: Prayandprepare000 That is a very legitimate question. First of all, the original bid from Kiewit was under 300 million. The job cost 1.1 billion by the end. Plenty of respectable people with insider knowledge and contacts, said during the construction that lots of money was going down the fraud and corruption holes. I could look for links but don't want to take the time. It's common for lowball estimates to run over, but 700 million over? Plenty of people had a good reason to fix that spillway and it had nothing to do with letting water out of the lake. Secondly, I should not have equated DWR entirely with the green agenda to "re-wild" much of California including central valley, and send food production to central and south america. Many of DWR may be older conservatives who reject man made climate change garbage. Those old guys are the insiders that leaked truth on occasion. There are guys out there on top of what is happening. Paul Preston of the New CA succession movement had old podcasts about what was happening in CA, and water being shut off to Americans until they abandon the land, which is then sold to the Chinese. Pelosi was mired in this treason. David Dubyne of Agenda 2030 talks about it (he is against it). It is an agenda to move most of the population east of the Mississippi, and the ones to the west into urban centers. Farming and ranching would be abolished. Its to save the planet and save the children and whatever else their lying demons speak into their minds. China gets a free pass to dump everything into the air, but God forbid CA uses nitrogen fertilizers. Farming in the Netherlands is taking a huge hit, you can google it. The globalists want it all over Europe, as well as here, and Oroville must stop watering Central Valley ( unless they want it for urban water). The food supply must be curtailed sharply to control the masses. Yup, conspiracy theory. I believe it all. Could you speak more on the fraud and the corruption? as the fraud and the corruption confined to DWR employees or someone else? (meaning, someone else was getting a kickback by being fraudulent and DWR was negligent in not catching it). There are conservatives within DWR. But anyone who is of that political stripe keeps it under wraps because the majority of people are liberal. Could you share how you know this and of what rank these old guys were/are (division chiefs, deputies, etc.)? Thank you. There was commentary on it back during the construction. I would assume I read most of it here, and probably also on Marty D'Angelo's old site...he had some insiders sending him information as I recall- could be wrong. I used to watch Millie Kay and Susan Wolding but I dont know if they covered it. You can poke around. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] As I recall there were never names. It wasn't things like "Person X who manages excavation took a bribe of 100 grand to keep quiet about the crappy bedrock" or "Person Y who works the cement trucks took 200 grand hush money to shut up about the cement spalling already", or "Z at DWR got a payout to cover up the harmonic vibrations." etc etc etc. It was never specific names and numbers. It was always somebody who knew somebody inside the operation and leaked information. I do remember talk of people being scared to lose their jobs to speak up. Kiewit got the job for a bid of 275 million. [link to www.constructiondive.com (secure)] It ended up well over a billion. Maybe I am wise, maybe I am cynical and wrong, but I believe the many anonymous insider reports of fraud. I am sorry I cannot answer your question with specifics. |
Crunch62 User ID: 1165847 United States 02/03/2023 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Question - what would DWR have to gain by allowing the dam to fail? Spending millions of dollars to fix the issues from 2017 only to have it kill people if it failed? Serious question..no shade intended. Quoting: Prayandprepare000 That is a very legitimate question. First of all, the original bid from Kiewit was under 300 million. The job cost 1.1 billion by the end. Plenty of respectable people with insider knowledge and contacts, said during the construction that lots of money was going down the fraud and corruption holes. I could look for links but don't want to take the time. It's common for lowball estimates to run over, but 700 million over? Plenty of people had a good reason to fix that spillway and it had nothing to do with letting water out of the lake. Secondly, I should not have equated DWR entirely with the green agenda to "re-wild" much of California including central valley, and send food production to central and south america. Many of DWR may be older conservatives who reject man made climate change garbage. Those old guys are the insiders that leaked truth on occasion. There are guys out there on top of what is happening. Paul Preston of the New CA succession movement had old podcasts about what was happening in CA, and water being shut off to Americans until they abandon the land, which is then sold to the Chinese. Pelosi was mired in this treason. David Dubyne of Agenda 2030 talks about it (he is against it). It is an agenda to move most of the population east of the Mississippi, and the ones to the west into urban centers. Farming and ranching would be abolished. Its to save the planet and save the children and whatever else their lying demons speak into their minds. China gets a free pass to dump everything into the air, but God forbid CA uses nitrogen fertilizers. Farming in the Netherlands is taking a huge hit, you can google it. The globalists want it all over Europe, as well as here, and Oroville must stop watering Central Valley ( unless they want it for urban water). The food supply must be curtailed sharply to control the masses. Yup, conspiracy theory. I believe it all. Could you speak more on the fraud and the corruption? as the fraud and the corruption confined to DWR employees or someone else? (meaning, someone else was getting a kickback by being fraudulent and DWR was negligent in not catching it). There are conservatives within DWR. But anyone who is of that political stripe keeps it under wraps because the majority of people are liberal. Could you share how you know this and of what rank these old guys were/are (division chiefs, deputies, etc.)? Thank you. There was commentary on it back during the construction. I would assume I read most of it here, and probably also on Marty D'Angelo's old site...he had some insiders sending him information as I recall- could be wrong. I used to watch Millie Kay and Susan Wolding but I dont know if they covered it. You can poke around. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] As I recall there were never names. It wasn't things like "Person X who manages excavation took a bribe of 100 grand to keep quiet about the crappy bedrock" or "Person Y who works the cement trucks took 200 grand hush money to shut up about the cement spalling already", or "Z at DWR got a payout to cover up the harmonic vibrations." etc etc etc. It was never specific names and numbers. It was always somebody who knew somebody inside the operation and leaked information. I do remember talk of people being scared to lose their jobs to speak up. Kiewit got the job for a bid of 275 million. [link to www.constructiondive.com (secure)] It ended up well over a billion. Maybe I am wise, maybe I am cynical and wrong, but I believe the many anonymous insider reports of fraud. I am sorry I cannot answer your question with specifics. I tried to reply, but it won't post. You are not wrong. I've been married so long, I don't even look both ways when I cross the street. |
Crunch62 User ID: 1165847 United States 02/03/2023 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed We got some rain here in the AM. Driving, there were a few times I had to put the wipers on 'stun', but the DWR site is showing zero additional precipitation for today. Odd Last Edited by Crunch62 on 02/03/2023 05:25 PM I've been married so long, I don't even look both ways when I cross the street. |
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Crunch62 User ID: 1165847 United States 02/03/2023 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Outflow has been zero for the past 12 hours. Watch for it to ramp up to 1500-2500 CFS shortly. That should continue for 8 hours or so. I've been married so long, I don't even look both ways when I cross the street. |
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Crunch62 User ID: 1165847 United States 02/03/2023 09:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Still more rain to come. Quoting: misty eyed Uncle intel; Lots of Chinese hacks going on…soon to become an epidemic of hacks I hear… Situational awareness And a surveillance balloon to steer it? It is getting comical. This whole situation et al, could be a great novel. Parrot AC says I am long-winded. Maybe I should have been a writer. I've been married so long, I don't even look both ways when I cross the street. |
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Prayandprepare000 User ID: 78116487 United States 02/04/2023 11:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed 813' is the level at the bottom of the gates. Expect leakage from that elevation and higher. If it's already leaking, as shown by the drone, is that because that end of the gates has settled down lower than 813? Or is it leaking through cracks in the cement that support the left gate looking north, or what? Thanks. How are we getting all that water leaking onto the spillway when it isn't even up to the gate bottom? |
Crunch62 User ID: 1165847 United States 02/05/2023 01:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed 813' is the level at the bottom of the gates. Expect leakage from that elevation and higher. If it's already leaking, as shown by the drone, is that because that end of the gates has settled down lower than 813? Or is it leaking through cracks in the cement that support the left gate looking north, or what? Thanks. How are we getting all that water leaking onto the spillway when it isn't even up to the gate bottom? Because it is seeping through from elsewhere. Water under the spillway with reservoir elevation below the gate elevation. We have been talking about this for years. I've been married so long, I don't even look both ways when I cross the street. |
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Crunch62 User ID: 1165847 United States 02/05/2023 09:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed 813, which was just reached in the past hour. DATE / TIME PST RES ELE FEET STORAGE AF OUTFLOW CFS INFLOW CFS RIV REL CFS RAIN INCHES BAT VOL VOLTS 02/04/2023 19:00 812.55 2,336,562 1,390 6,523 980 24.04 13.4 02/04/2023 20:00 812.60 2,337,152 1,316 7,057 980 24.04 13.4 02/04/2023 21:00 812.63 2,337,507 1,348 7,250 970 24.04 13.4 02/04/2023 22:00 812.67 2,337,978 1,320 7,053 968 24.04 13.4 02/04/2023 23:00 812.70 2,338,333 0 4,852 982 24.04 13.4 02/05/2023 00:00 812.74 2,338,805 0 4,283 970 24.04 13.4 02/05/2023 01:00 812.77 2,339,160 0 5,660 981 24.04 13.4 02/05/2023 02:00 812.81 2,339,632 0 5,068 982 24.04 13.4 02/05/2023 03:00 812.86 2,340,222 0 5,664 981 24.04 13.4 02/05/2023 04:00 812.93 2,341,049 0 8,543 969 24.04 13.4 02/05/2023 05:00 812.98 2,341,640 0 8,523 982 24.04 13.4 02/05/2023 06:00 813.01 2,341,994 0 5,885 981 24.04 13.4 Last Edited by Crunch62 on 02/05/2023 09:23 AM I've been married so long, I don't even look both ways when I cross the street. |
Vision Thing User ID: 85187705 United States 02/05/2023 11:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed The lake elevation got to 813 pretty fast. Will be interesting to see what happens. We're expecting more rain, correct? And there is a lot of snow pack that feeds the watershed? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 85208927 United States 02/05/2023 12:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed The lake elevation got to 813 pretty fast. Quoting: Vision Thing Will be interesting to see what happens. We're expecting more rain, correct? And there is a lot of snow pack that feeds the watershed? Drying out for the next week. The snowpack is crazy. Not only deep but very full of water due to some warmer storms that moved through and rained on top of the snow. Things are really going to get ugly if we get an abrupt spring thaw. |
Prayandprepare000 User ID: 78116487 United States 02/05/2023 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed The lake elevation got to 813 pretty fast. Quoting: Vision Thing Will be interesting to see what happens. We're expecting more rain, correct? And there is a lot of snow pack that feeds the watershed? This is a nice link with snow water equivalents. The black splotch at the Nevada bend is Lake Tahoe. Go west and then up a bit to get to Oroville. I'm not sure looking at this of the precise snow water equivalents in the watershed. Looks like 4 inches lower to 9 to 20 up to the white in the middle ( mountain tops) over 70 inches. Any body else want to take a stab at it? [link to www.nohrsc.noaa.gov (secure)] this is all the maps, they even have one for snow melt: [link to www.nohrsc.noaa.gov (secure)] Not much melting today, .2- .4 inches. We can watch it. Remember that on average, an inch of water equals a twelve foot rise in the lake. Lower is a higher rise, higher is less, because the lake is in a sort of V shaped river valley. Or U shaped. The soil is saturated so most will run off. Crunch ( or anybody), you are better than me knowing the lay of the watershed against these snow maps. What is your guess for snow water equivalent if we had a sudden warm up? 8 inches snow water equivalent- sudden melt- should overtop the dam, so it all depends on weather. I'm expecting to see the spillway get used this year, we will see. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 84082465 United States 02/05/2023 01:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Crunch ... thanks for keeping us up to date. Refresh my memory ... The fact that the releases are so low through the turbines reminds me of the year the spillway fell apart. Didn't that year they also keep the turbine mostly closed in order to "fill" the reservoir even though there was a heavy snow pack, and THEN they got HEAVY RAIN even at higher elevations that caused a quick melt on top of the rain itself? That SUDDEN rush of water was more than the turbines could expel out of the reservoir as it approached it's totally full level, and voila they HAD to open the gates, the spillway then disintegrated, they closed the gates to "save the spillway", and the overflow over the top of the dike quickly eroded the hillside which almost undermined the entire dike around the top near the spillway, is how I remember the dynamics. If my memory is right the inflows were peaking at 40,000+- acre feet/hr I sort of dimly recall. Do you think a similar situation is setting up for this year? OR ... are the heavy rains about done with? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3166408 United States 02/05/2023 01:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Still more rain to come. Quoting: misty eyed Uncle intel; Lots of Chinese hacks going on…soon to become an epidemic of hacks I hear… Situational awareness https://twitter.com/_/status/1621651748183048192 DONT SHOOT M-UH BALOON BALLZ JOEY!..UH,CAPMAN. |