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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29269238 United States03/06/2019 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree fish should be included in meat. I am doing the Byzantine Catholic fasting rules which is no meat or meat substitutes Wed and Fri and then no meat or dairy or eggs Good Friday and Holy Saturday I am going to include Fish as Meat this year because this is ridiculous that people just go eat huge fish frys on friday. How easy is that? lol |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29269238 United States03/06/2019 11:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's a fair question even today since the Roman Catholic Church has had a sliding scale of tolerance since the "ban" was imposed by Pope Nicholas I in the 9th century. In fact, for many decades now those once-mandatory meatless Fridays for all Catholics have vanished to the point of obsurity - outside the Vatican. Quoting: GSB/LTD The actual reasoning behind the Papal ban is also very obsure; some say that meat was a luxury and so it was targeted as the greatest personal sacrifice every peasant could make to God... as if any of those peasants had Steak or a pile of chops on their tables! So, that notion is kinda' moot unless God only demanded sacrifices from the rich and well-fed... which we know is not the case! But, if that was the case, then it further explains how the wealthy can pay others to pray the deceased out of Purgatory - after all that earthy avoidance of a good T-Bone, they can still buy a "Get-Out-Of-Hell FREE" card! BTW: that concept of praying away your sins after death to hasten your arrival in Heaven originated with the Egyptian Book of the Dead! At least they were upfront about it and selling those prayerbooks was an ancient industry in itself! And biologically, there's also been a huge debate. Meat is considered to be the consumable flesh of any vertebrate - and Fish certainly have a backbone! Some apologists will claim the ban only applies to animals who live on the Earth and not the water - yet in Louisiana the Catholic Diocese allows the eating of both Alligator and Muskrat because they spend most of their time swimming... while both are classified as Mammals! FYI: did you know that McDonald's famous Filet-O-Fish sandwich was created specifically as a Lenten menu item? But, those golden arches aside, I'd genuinely like to understand more about this historical anomoly, Do you and your family still practice it every Friday or just on the "high holidays"? And, if you do pratice abstinence, exactly what's off-limits, and why? And perhaps the most important question: do you really believe God would damn you if you did sneak a little Beef Jerkey on the side? As far as your last question. If Jesus Christ reigns King of your Soul you will be saved period. All fasting and praying are designed to lead you to having Jesus Christ reign King of your Soul. But keep in mind Jesus is not a pure spirit he cannot simply fly into your soul like the Holy Spirit can. Also a lot of Christian ideas was previewed in Pagan culture but keep in mind God had to prepare people for the full truth but leading people to partial truths before hand. Its not that complicated of a concept but it is a tiring argument against Christianity that we have roots of some of our full truth in pagan culture therefore we are false. |
| GSB/LTD (OP) User ID: 8080014 United States03/06/2019 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree fish should be included in meat. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29269238 I am doing the Byzantine Catholic fasting rules which is no meat or meat substitutes Wed and Fri and then no meat or dairy or eggs Good Friday and Holy Saturday I am going to include Fish as Meat this year because this is ridiculous that people just go eat huge fish frys on friday. How easy is that? lol Well, a very good argument could be made that you are just as ridiculous for following an intangible dietary restriction from the Early Middle Ages. So, I guess the only question left for you to answer would be my last one above: do you sincerely believe the ghost of Constantine the Great will strike you down for sneaking a Butterflied Shrimp? Last Edited by GSB/LTD on 03/06/2019 11:48 AM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29269238 United States03/06/2019 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I agree fish should be included in meat. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29269238 I am doing the Byzantine Catholic fasting rules which is no meat or meat substitutes Wed and Fri and then no meat or dairy or eggs Good Friday and Holy Saturday I am going to include Fish as Meat this year because this is ridiculous that people just go eat huge fish frys on friday. How easy is that? lol Well, a very good arguement could be made that you are just as ridiculous for following an intangible dietary restriction from the Early Middle Ages. So, I guess he only question left for you to answer would be my last one above: do you sincerely believe the ghost of Constantine the Great will strike you down for sneaking a Butterflied Shrimp? I already answered that question: As far as your last question. If Jesus Christ reigns King of your Soul you will be saved period. All fasting and praying are designed to lead you to having Jesus Christ reign King of your Soul. But keep in mind Jesus is not a pure spirit he cannot simply fly into your soul like the Holy Spirit can. |
| GSB/LTD (OP) User ID: 8080014 United States03/06/2019 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's a fair question even today since the Roman Catholic Church has had a sliding scale of tolerance since the "ban" was imposed by Pope Nicholas I in the 9th century. In fact, for many decades now those once-mandatory meatless Fridays for all Catholics have vanished to the point of obsurity - outside the Vatican. Quoting: GSB/LTD The actual reasoning behind the Papal ban is also very obsure; some say that meat was a luxury and so it was targeted as the greatest personal sacrifice every peasant could make to God... as if any of those peasants had Steak or a pile of chops on their tables! So, that notion is kinda' moot unless God only demanded sacrifices from the rich and well-fed... which we know is not the case! But, if that was the case, then it further explains how the wealthy can pay others to pray the deceased out of Purgatory - after all that earthy avoidance of a good T-Bone, they can still buy a "Get-Out-Of-Hell FREE" card! BTW: that concept of praying away your sins after death to hasten your arrival in Heaven originated with the Egyptian Book of the Dead! At least they were upfront about it and selling those prayerbooks was an ancient industry in itself! And biologically, there's also been a huge debate. Meat is considered to be the consumable flesh of any vertebrate - and Fish certainly have a backbone! Some apologists will claim the ban only applies to animals who live on the Earth and not the water - yet in Louisiana the Catholic Diocese allows the eating of both Alligator and Muskrat because they spend most of their time swimming... while both are classified as Mammals! FYI: did you know that McDonald's famous Filet-O-Fish sandwich was created specifically as a Lenten menu item? But, those golden arches aside, I'd genuinely like to understand more about this historical anomoly, Do you and your family still practice it every Friday or just on the "high holidays"? And, if you do pratice abstinence, exactly what's off-limits, and why? And perhaps the most important question: do you really believe God would damn you if you did sneak a little Beef Jerkey on the side? As far as your last question. If Jesus Christ reigns King of your Soul you will be saved period. All fasting and praying are designed to lead you to having Jesus Christ reign King of your Soul. But keep in mind Jesus is not a pure spirit he cannot simply fly into your soul like the Holy Spirit can. Also a lot of Christian ideas was previewed in Pagan culture but keep in mind God had to prepare people for the full truth but leading people to partial truths before hand. Its not that complicated of a concept but it is a tiring argument against Christianity that we have roots of some of our full truth in pagan culture therefore we are false. A nicely composed -if convoluted- response. And no, the only question you have answered is what you actually pick-and-choose to eat... while still managing to sneer at those who do enjoy their "Fish Fridays" An all-omnipotent God would not need to deliver "half-truths" to even the ignorant pagans - just look how heavy-handed He was when Moses saw that Golden Calf! And that business about Jesus not being a "pure" spirit who has limitations sounds seriously doctrinal in origin and not even remotely historical. BIG difference there! FYI: historically fasting has been equated with sacrifice and as a means to show true devotion to God - the rich didn't eat Steak nor the impoverished whatever Rats they could snatch. I could just as easily make a case for sleeping 12 hours daily as my own devotion to God - in my sleeping state I am communing with Him on a more spiritual level, I am sacrificing active time by sleeping and am also nurturing my mind/body in doing so. It's ALL in how you look at the same faith-based equation! Last Edited by GSB/LTD on 03/06/2019 11:52 AM |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29269238 United States03/06/2019 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's a fair question even today since the Roman Catholic Church has had a sliding scale of tolerance since the "ban" was imposed by Pope Nicholas I in the 9th century. In fact, for many decades now those once-mandatory meatless Fridays for all Catholics have vanished to the point of obsurity - outside the Vatican. Quoting: GSB/LTD The actual reasoning behind the Papal ban is also very obsure; some say that meat was a luxury and so it was targeted as the greatest personal sacrifice every peasant could make to God... as if any of those peasants had Steak or a pile of chops on their tables! So, that notion is kinda' moot unless God only demanded sacrifices from the rich and well-fed... which we know is not the case! But, if that was the case, then it further explains how the wealthy can pay others to pray the deceased out of Purgatory - after all that earthy avoidance of a good T-Bone, they can still buy a "Get-Out-Of-Hell FREE" card! BTW: that concept of praying away your sins after death to hasten your arrival in Heaven originated with the Egyptian Book of the Dead! At least they were upfront about it and selling those prayerbooks was an ancient industry in itself! And biologically, there's also been a huge debate. Meat is considered to be the consumable flesh of any vertebrate - and Fish certainly have a backbone! Some apologists will claim the ban only applies to animals who live on the Earth and not the water - yet in Louisiana the Catholic Diocese allows the eating of both Alligator and Muskrat because they spend most of their time swimming... while both are classified as Mammals! FYI: did you know that McDonald's famous Filet-O-Fish sandwich was created specifically as a Lenten menu item? But, those golden arches aside, I'd genuinely like to understand more about this historical anomoly, Do you and your family still practice it every Friday or just on the "high holidays"? And, if you do pratice abstinence, exactly what's off-limits, and why? And perhaps the most important question: do you really believe God would damn you if you did sneak a little Beef Jerkey on the side? As far as your last question. If Jesus Christ reigns King of your Soul you will be saved period. All fasting and praying are designed to lead you to having Jesus Christ reign King of your Soul. But keep in mind Jesus is not a pure spirit he cannot simply fly into your soul like the Holy Spirit can. Also a lot of Christian ideas was previewed in Pagan culture but keep in mind God had to prepare people for the full truth but leading people to partial truths before hand. Its not that complicated of a concept but it is a tiring argument against Christianity that we have roots of some of our full truth in pagan culture therefore we are false. A nicely composed -if convoluted- response. And no, the only question you have answered is what you actually pick-and-choose to eat... while still managing to sneer at those who do enjoy their "Fish Fridays" An all-omnipotent God would not need to deliver "half-truths" to even the ignorant pagans - just look how heavy-handed He was when Moses saw that Golden Calf! And that business about Jesus not being a "pure" spirit who has limitations sounds seriously doctrinal in origin and not even remotely historical. BIG difference there! FYI: historically fasting has been equated with sacrifice and as a means to show true devotion to God - the rich didn't eat Steak nor the impoverished whatever Rats they could snatch. I could just as easily make a case for sleeping 12 hours daily as my own devotion to God - in my sleeping state I am communing with Him on a more spiritual level, I am sacrificing active time by sleeping and am also nurturing my mind/body in doing so. It's ALL in how you look at the same faith-based equation! i dont pick and choose what i eat for the fast though. i follow the byzantine catholic fast and simply include fish as meat. jesus is a human and a god. he is not currently a pure spirit period. not sure what we are debating there. he is not currently a pure spirit. he is a man god period. as far as many parts of christianity being "previewed" in paganism not sure what to tell you. who or what was the cause of the previewing i cannot tell you but God certainly could have influenced their thoughts to prepare them for the full truth. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76649128  Canada03/06/2019 11:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's a fair question even today since the Roman Catholic Church has had a sliding scale of tolerance since the "ban" was imposed by Pope Nicholas I in the 9th century. In fact, for many decades now those once-mandatory meatless Fridays for all Catholics have vanished to the point of obsurity - outside the Vatican. Quoting: GSB/LTD The actual reasoning behind the Papal ban is also very obsure; some say that meat was a luxury and so it was targeted as the greatest personal sacrifice every peasant could make to God... as if any of those peasants had Steak or a pile of chops on their tables! So, that notion is kinda' moot unless God only demanded sacrifices from the rich and well-fed... which we know is not the case! But, if that was the case, then it further explains how the wealthy can pay others to pray the deceased out of Purgatory - after all that earthy avoidance of a good T-Bone, they can still buy a "Get-Out-Of-Hell FREE" card! BTW: that concept of praying away your sins after death to hasten your arrival in Heaven originated with the Egyptian Book of the Dead! At least they were upfront about it and selling those prayerbooks was an ancient industry in itself! And biologically, there's also been a huge debate. Meat is considered to be the consumable flesh of any vertebrate - and Fish certainly have a backbone! Some apologists will claim the ban only applies to animals who live on the Earth and not the water - yet in Louisiana the Catholic Diocese allows the eating of both Alligator and Muskrat because they spend most of their time swimming... while both are classified as Mammals! FYI: did you know that McDonald's famous Filet-O-Fish sandwich was created specifically as a Lenten menu item? But, those golden arches aside, I'd genuinely like to understand more about this historical anomoly, Do you and your family still practice it every Friday or just on the "high holidays"? And, if you do pratice abstinence, exactly what's off-limits, and why? And perhaps the most important question: do you really believe God would damn you if you did sneak a little Beef Jerkey on the side? Why do Roman Catholic priests rape boys? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29269238 United States03/06/2019 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's all about the Vatican owned fisheries at the time. They had too much fiah and got pwople to eat more by religous decree lol Quoting: ragebuddy yes i will admit the vatican has often made political decisions and bowed to kings. its unfortunate and has been the downfall of the Church very often. perfect example is king henry the 8th. they kept saying yes to kings request over and over and finally put their foot down to henry and all hell broke loose. they moral of the story is king henry expected them to say yes because they were telling everyone yes before that and when they said no it was a disaster; church destroyed in england; civil war; breakout of protestants etc etc. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29269238 United States03/06/2019 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's a fair question even today since the Roman Catholic Church has had a sliding scale of tolerance since the "ban" was imposed by Pope Nicholas I in the 9th century. In fact, for many decades now those once-mandatory meatless Fridays for all Catholics have vanished to the point of obsurity - outside the Vatican. Quoting: GSB/LTD The actual reasoning behind the Papal ban is also very obsure; some say that meat was a luxury and so it was targeted as the greatest personal sacrifice every peasant could make to God... as if any of those peasants had Steak or a pile of chops on their tables! So, that notion is kinda' moot unless God only demanded sacrifices from the rich and well-fed... which we know is not the case! But, if that was the case, then it further explains how the wealthy can pay others to pray the deceased out of Purgatory - after all that earthy avoidance of a good T-Bone, they can still buy a "Get-Out-Of-Hell FREE" card! BTW: that concept of praying away your sins after death to hasten your arrival in Heaven originated with the Egyptian Book of the Dead! At least they were upfront about it and selling those prayerbooks was an ancient industry in itself! And biologically, there's also been a huge debate. Meat is considered to be the consumable flesh of any vertebrate - and Fish certainly have a backbone! Some apologists will claim the ban only applies to animals who live on the Earth and not the water - yet in Louisiana the Catholic Diocese allows the eating of both Alligator and Muskrat because they spend most of their time swimming... while both are classified as Mammals! FYI: did you know that McDonald's famous Filet-O-Fish sandwich was created specifically as a Lenten menu item? But, those golden arches aside, I'd genuinely like to understand more about this historical anomoly, Do you and your family still practice it every Friday or just on the "high holidays"? And, if you do pratice abstinence, exactly what's off-limits, and why? And perhaps the most important question: do you really believe God would damn you if you did sneak a little Beef Jerkey on the side? Why do Roman Catholic priests rape boys? because many priests are disordered humans |
| GSB/LTD (OP) User ID: 8080014 United States03/06/2019 12:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's all about the Vatican owned fisheries at the time. They had too much fiah and got pwople to eat more by religous decree lol Quoting: ragebuddy In prepping for this thread, I took a look at that theory and -although I personally think it may have some merit- haven't been able yet to nail it down historically. However, knowing how corrupt the papacy was during the Middle Ages, I wouldn't be one bit surprised. Constantine is usually held up as a shining as THE religious mover/shaker of the period - and he was- but he was also a back-stabbing, ordinary man with the same personal ambitions as the common thugs he frequently employed to enforce his universal doctrines [in fact, good old Connie actually executed his wife and his son]. And the Church has followed suit ever since... even down to what the faithful serve on their tables at the end of week. |
| GSB/LTD (OP) User ID: 8080014 United States03/06/2019 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's a fair question even today since the Roman Catholic Church has had a sliding scale of tolerance since the "ban" was imposed by Pope Nicholas I in the 9th century. In fact, for many decades now those once-mandatory meatless Fridays for all Catholics have vanished to the point of obsurity - outside the Vatican. Quoting: GSB/LTD The actual reasoning behind the Papal ban is also very obsure; some say that meat was a luxury and so it was targeted as the greatest personal sacrifice every peasant could make to God... as if any of those peasants had Steak or a pile of chops on their tables! So, that notion is kinda' moot unless God only demanded sacrifices from the rich and well-fed... which we know is not the case! But, if that was the case, then it further explains how the wealthy can pay others to pray the deceased out of Purgatory - after all that earthy avoidance of a good T-Bone, they can still buy a "Get-Out-Of-Hell FREE" card! BTW: that concept of praying away your sins after death to hasten your arrival in Heaven originated with the Egyptian Book of the Dead! At least they were upfront about it and selling those prayerbooks was an ancient industry in itself! And biologically, there's also been a huge debate. Meat is considered to be the consumable flesh of any vertebrate - and Fish certainly have a backbone! Some apologists will claim the ban only applies to animals who live on the Earth and not the water - yet in Louisiana the Catholic Diocese allows the eating of both Alligator and Muskrat because they spend most of their time swimming... while both are classified as Mammals! FYI: did you know that McDonald's famous Filet-O-Fish sandwich was created specifically as a Lenten menu item? But, those golden arches aside, I'd genuinely like to understand more about this historical anomoly, Do you and your family still practice it every Friday or just on the "high holidays"? And, if you do pratice abstinence, exactly what's off-limits, and why? And perhaps the most important question: do you really believe God would damn you if you did sneak a little Beef Jerkey on the side? As far as your last question. If Jesus Christ reigns King of your Soul you will be saved period. All fasting and praying are designed to lead you to having Jesus Christ reign King of your Soul. But keep in mind Jesus is not a pure spirit he cannot simply fly into your soul like the Holy Spirit can. Also a lot of Christian ideas was previewed in Pagan culture but keep in mind God had to prepare people for the full truth but leading people to partial truths before hand. Its not that complicated of a concept but it is a tiring argument against Christianity that we have roots of some of our full truth in pagan culture therefore we are false. A nicely composed -if convoluted- response. And no, the only question you have answered is what you actually pick-and-choose to eat... while still managing to sneer at those who do enjoy their "Fish Fridays" An all-omnipotent God would not need to deliver "half-truths" to even the ignorant pagans - just look how heavy-handed He was when Moses saw that Golden Calf! And that business about Jesus not being a "pure" spirit who has limitations sounds seriously doctrinal in origin and not even remotely historical. BIG difference there! FYI: historically fasting has been equated with sacrifice and as a means to show true devotion to God - the rich didn't eat Steak nor the impoverished whatever Rats they could snatch. I could just as easily make a case for sleeping 12 hours daily as my own devotion to God - in my sleeping state I am communing with Him on a more spiritual level, I am sacrificing active time by sleeping and am also nurturing my mind/body in doing so. It's ALL in how you look at the same faith-based equation! i dont pick and choose what i eat for the fast though. i follow the byzantine catholic fast and simply include fish as meat. jesus is a human and a god. he is not currently a pure spirit period. not sure what we are debating there. he is not currently a pure spirit. he is a man god period. as far as many parts of christianity being "previewed" in paganism not sure what to tell you. who or what was the cause of the previewing i cannot tell you but God certainly could have influenced their thoughts to prepare them for the full truth. You suggest that Christianity was "previewed" by the Egyptians [whom you casually dismiss as pagans] when logic and rationale -not to mention archaeology- suggest that they -and the Sumerians- created religion as we know it and that everything that followed after them were merely imitations studded with embellishments and heavy-handed restrictions, because -after all- religion is all about control. Even when it comes to what you put in your mouth. Here's a radical idea: instead of avoiding a nice big burger, instead try taking a good long nappy. You'll come much closer to God in the process, wake up feeling great and -for a little while- God may even appreciate not hearing you go on-and-on-and-on about how pure He is -and how much His son isn't. Last Edited by GSB/LTD on 03/06/2019 12:14 PM |
| GSB/LTD (OP) User ID: 8080014 United States03/06/2019 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's a fair question even today since the Roman Catholic Church has had a sliding scale of tolerance since the "ban" was imposed by Pope Nicholas I in the 9th century. In fact, for many decades now those once-mandatory meatless Fridays for all Catholics have vanished to the point of obsurity - outside the Vatican. Quoting: GSB/LTD The actual reasoning behind the Papal ban is also very obsure; some say that meat was a luxury and so it was targeted as the greatest personal sacrifice every peasant could make to God... as if any of those peasants had Steak or a pile of chops on their tables! So, that notion is kinda' moot unless God only demanded sacrifices from the rich and well-fed... which we know is not the case! But, if that was the case, then it further explains how the wealthy can pay others to pray the deceased out of Purgatory - after all that earthy avoidance of a good T-Bone, they can still buy a "Get-Out-Of-Hell FREE" card! BTW: that concept of praying away your sins after death to hasten your arrival in Heaven originated with the Egyptian Book of the Dead! At least they were upfront about it and selling those prayerbooks was an ancient industry in itself! And biologically, there's also been a huge debate. Meat is considered to be the consumable flesh of any vertebrate - and Fish certainly have a backbone! Some apologists will claim the ban only applies to animals who live on the Earth and not the water - yet in Louisiana the Catholic Diocese allows the eating of both Alligator and Muskrat because they spend most of their time swimming... while both are classified as Mammals! FYI: did you know that McDonald's famous Filet-O-Fish sandwich was created specifically as a Lenten menu item? But, those golden arches aside, I'd genuinely like to understand more about this historical anomoly, Do you and your family still practice it every Friday or just on the "high holidays"? And, if you do pratice abstinence, exactly what's off-limits, and why? And perhaps the most important question: do you really believe God would damn you if you did sneak a little Beef Jerkey on the side? Why do Roman Catholic priests rape boys? PLEASE! I can only deal with one insanity at a time. |
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| GSB/LTD (OP) User ID: 8080014 United States03/06/2019 12:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Again: FISH! Why not? What do the faithful eat these days; and is it a generational thing that you do because your family always has? Or, did you begin after a sincere converson to a religion that simply says so? But, above all I really want to understand why you feel that God advocates any kind of personal suffering... even the minor hunger pangs of an empty belly on a Friday? Particularly since sacrifices are singularly the greatest connection today to those ancient pagan practices. They're either Pagan or Holy - you cannot have it both ways. Last Edited by GSB/LTD on 03/06/2019 12:36 PM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29269238 United States03/06/2019 12:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29269238 As far as your last question. If Jesus Christ reigns King of your Soul you will be saved period. All fasting and praying are designed to lead you to having Jesus Christ reign King of your Soul. But keep in mind Jesus is not a pure spirit he cannot simply fly into your soul like the Holy Spirit can. Also a lot of Christian ideas was previewed in Pagan culture but keep in mind God had to prepare people for the full truth but leading people to partial truths before hand. Its not that complicated of a concept but it is a tiring argument against Christianity that we have roots of some of our full truth in pagan culture therefore we are false. A nicely composed -if convoluted- response. And no, the only question you have answered is what you actually pick-and-choose to eat... while still managing to sneer at those who do enjoy their "Fish Fridays" An all-omnipotent God would not need to deliver "half-truths" to even the ignorant pagans - just look how heavy-handed He was when Moses saw that Golden Calf! And that business about Jesus not being a "pure" spirit who has limitations sounds seriously doctrinal in origin and not even remotely historical. BIG difference there! FYI: historically fasting has been equated with sacrifice and as a means to show true devotion to God - the rich didn't eat Steak nor the impoverished whatever Rats they could snatch. I could just as easily make a case for sleeping 12 hours daily as my own devotion to God - in my sleeping state I am communing with Him on a more spiritual level, I am sacrificing active time by sleeping and am also nurturing my mind/body in doing so. It's ALL in how you look at the same faith-based equation! i dont pick and choose what i eat for the fast though. i follow the byzantine catholic fast and simply include fish as meat. jesus is a human and a god. he is not currently a pure spirit period. not sure what we are debating there. he is not currently a pure spirit. he is a man god period. as far as many parts of christianity being "previewed" in paganism not sure what to tell you. who or what was the cause of the previewing i cannot tell you but God certainly could have influenced their thoughts to prepare them for the full truth. You suggest that Christianity was "previewed" by the Egyptians [whom you casually dismiss as pagans] when logic and rationale -not to mention archaeology- suggest that they -and the Sumerians- created religion as we know it and that everything that followed after them were merely imitations studded with embellishments and heavy-handed restrictions, because -after all- religion is all about control. Even when it comes to what you put in your mouth. Here's a radical idea: instead of avoiding a nice big burger, instead try taking a good long nappy. You'll come much closer to God in the process, wake up feeling great and -for a little while- God may even appreciate not hearing you go on-and-on-and-on about how pure He is -and how much His son isn't. okay i will bow out of the argument we are having on your first paragraph because you may have some truth mixed with opinion and lie in there not my expertise. as far as your second paragraph easy question for you? was jesus while he was on earth a pure spirit like an angel or was he a human with the spirit of god as his soul? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29269238 United States03/06/2019 12:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As entertaining as all of this may be [and it IS] I REALLY like to get back to those personal menues. Quoting: GSB/LTD Again: FISH! Why not? What do the faithful eat these days; and is it a generational thing that you do because your family always has? Or, did you begin after a sincere converson to a religion that simply says so? But, above all I really want to understand why you feel that God advocates any kind of personal suffering... even the minor hunger pangs of an empty belly on a Friday? Particularly since sacrifices are singularly the greatest connection today to those ancient pagan practices. They're either Pagan or Holy - you cannot have it both ways. yes but the sacrifices are aimed to achieve personal holiness they are not holy in and of themselves. |
| GSB/LTD (OP) User ID: 8080014 United States03/06/2019 12:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: GSB/LTD A nicely composed -if convoluted- response. And no, the only question you have answered is what you actually pick-and-choose to eat... while still managing to sneer at those who do enjoy their "Fish Fridays" An all-omnipotent God would not need to deliver "half-truths" to even the ignorant pagans - just look how heavy-handed He was when Moses saw that Golden Calf! And that business about Jesus not being a "pure" spirit who has limitations sounds seriously doctrinal in origin and not even remotely historical. BIG difference there! FYI: historically fasting has been equated with sacrifice and as a means to show true devotion to God - the rich didn't eat Steak nor the impoverished whatever Rats they could snatch. I could just as easily make a case for sleeping 12 hours daily as my own devotion to God - in my sleeping state I am communing with Him on a more spiritual level, I am sacrificing active time by sleeping and am also nurturing my mind/body in doing so. It's ALL in how you look at the same faith-based equation! i dont pick and choose what i eat for the fast though. i follow the byzantine catholic fast and simply include fish as meat. jesus is a human and a god. he is not currently a pure spirit period. not sure what we are debating there. he is not currently a pure spirit. he is a man god period. as far as many parts of christianity being "previewed" in paganism not sure what to tell you. who or what was the cause of the previewing i cannot tell you but God certainly could have influenced their thoughts to prepare them for the full truth. You suggest that Christianity was "previewed" by the Egyptians [whom you casually dismiss as pagans] when logic and rationale -not to mention archaeology- suggest that they -and the Sumerians- created religion as we know it and that everything that followed after them were merely imitations studded with embellishments and heavy-handed restrictions, because -after all- religion is all about control. Even when it comes to what you put in your mouth. Here's a radical idea: instead of avoiding a nice big burger, instead try taking a good long nappy. You'll come much closer to God in the process, wake up feeling great and -for a little while- God may even appreciate not hearing you go on-and-on-and-on about how pure He is -and how much His son isn't. okay i will bow out of the argument we are having on your first paragraph because you may have some truth mixed with opinion and lie in there not my expertise. as far as your second paragraph easy question for you? was jesus while he was on earth a pure spirit like an angel or was he a human with the spirit of god as his soul? You're not asking the questions here. I am. If you want to discuss your own personal perceptions of the purity of your Saviour then do so on your own thread... because right now you're not contributing much to my own. |
