"Vatican In Shock As 1,500-Year-Old Bible Claims Jesus Wasn’t Crucified"

Mandala Effect?

dont ever trust the Vatican &

False prophet Mad Frank

Lets see what the 1611 King James Bible says:

Just a fake letter written by a liberal years ago.

2 Thessalonians 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

Any fool can write a book. Just because it’s old doesn’t mean it’s factual.

A member of the illiterati im sure.

Yeah the devils minions where busy back then. It will all be revealed one day.

You mean the Bible?

even the jewish scribes agree to the crucifixion

and you are brainwashed by your islamic people and have not even researched your own Quran and how it states that indeed He was crucified and rose on the third day

go home buddy

Bullshit effect

Doubtful.

Some day soon they'll find a bible that says Jesus was a transgender lesbian and Mary was his wife.

The Moslems and Gnostics believe this actually;


Was Jesus Crucified on the Cross?

If Jesus could in principle die, the focal question becomes whether crucifixion—as attested in the Gospels and affirmed by historical scholars—was the cause. The locus classicus of the debate is Q4:157, for which various translations are provided below:

Haleem—[Jews] said, ‘We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of God.’ (They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, though it was made to appear like that to them; those that disagreed about him are full of doubt, with no knowledge to follow, only supposition: they certainly did not kill him.)

Sahih International—And for their saying, ‘Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.’ And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but another was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

Yusuf Ali—That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; – but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.

This notoriously difficult verse is the only reference to the crucifixion in the Qur’an, and the apparent denial of the crucifixion is, as is clear in Haleem’s and Ali’s renderings, a parenthetical statement modifying the primary clause speaking of the Jew’s claim of killing Jesus. The underlined portion represents the fundamental exegetical challenge of the verse. The passive verbal phrase shubbiha lahum (“caused to appear”) is a hapax legomenon (appearing only once in the Qur’an) that has generated numerous interpretations which can be grouped along two basic understandings of the verb.[17]

The most common interpretation, often called the “substitution theory,” takes the implied object of the verb to be Jesus himself: namely, it was not Jesus who was crucified, but someone who “appeared” like him to the Jews and was killed in his place (e.g., the Sahih International rendering). This theory maintains that the Jews intended to crucify Jesus, and a historical crucifixion indeed happened, but Allah controverted the Jews by placing Jesus’ visage on another person who, subsequently, took his place on the cross. Islamic exegetes have generated a plethora of possible identities of the person who bore Jesus’ image and replaced him on the cross: a passing Jew, a Roman soldier, Judas Iscariot, Simon of Cyrene, or one of the apostles such as Tatanus, Sergius, or Peter.[18] In short, the substitutionist reading, which is the most popular among Muslims today, is “that someone was, in fact, crucified, but it was not Jesus.”[19]

A less common but exegetically valid theory holds that the verbal phrase “is applied not to Jesus, but to the event of the Crucifixion.”[20] That is to say, the implied object of the verb is the act of crucifixion itself, suggesting that no one actually died on the cross, but rather it only “appeared” to take place, thus fooling the Jews into thinking they had successfully killed Jesus (e.g., the Haleem and Yusuf Ali translations). Proponents of this reading shift the emphasis in the direction of vindicating Allah’s protection of Jesus from suffering an unnatural, violent death at the hands of his enemies, the Jews.[21] The event of the crucifixion was a mirage.

Notably, both of these exegetical options allow room for difference of opinion regarding whether Jesus could (in theory) or actually did die a physical death; where they agree, of course, is denying the possibility that, even if Jesus as Messenger and Messiah could die, he certainly did not die through crucifixion at the hands of the Jews.

Hmm, Turkey - Muslim. 1,500 (approx) years ago; around the time of Mohammad. Yeah, ok.

God...the Father..exists, as does His Son Yeshua.

The Bible covers 4000+ years of their interaction with mankind.

Dozens of people AND hundreds of places mentioned in the Bible have been proven to exist.

And there is not one single shred of evidence OF ANY KIND that actually DISPROVES anything in the Bible.

Sure is odd that until just a few decades ago that both King Sennacherib and King Cyrus were only known because of the Old Testament.

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Who cares at this point?
The story was some kind of gigantic guilt trip, to keep people in line. Just like the "hell" story.

thats funny because Courtney Browns remote viewers found it was not Jesus himself crucified but another man in his place while he was far away...

You may not believe but you will know.

Just because it's old doesn't mean it is accurate. Nor does it mean that it's totally inaccurate. Probably, like most things, there is some truth in there. From that short article, the issue of Paul being called "the Imposter" really comes to the fore to me.

Maybe it's just because I've recently been trying to find where Peter was removed of the charge to go to the Gentiles and instead Shaul was given that charge by the leaders of the Assembly in Jerusalem where James was the effective President. Haven't found it yet.



As for Yeshua, He is the Light of the world. My redeemer and savior. Of that, I have NO doubt.

FALSE!

The apostles were all witnesses of the crucifixion, read your Bible.

Furthermore the crucifixion place has been found and Jesus´s blood as well. His blood dropped on the arc of the covenant which is still in a cave below the crucifixion place.

Because you read it in a book?

Or?? What other reasons?

I told you guys years ago in multiple threads that the crucifixion was added to serve as a mock human sacrifice ritual to supercharge the ruling class's human sacrifice rituals!

Eat the body, drink the blood, send devotion...

All you truly need is to be Christ like! Follow his example! Follow The Golden Rule!

NO blood offerings!! There is nothing good about them! They are linked to the ruling class war and money god, their empire egregore yahweh...

His name wasn't JeZues either! How evil and wicked are these manipulators!!

Let Christ off the cross and resurrect through The People!!!

And historically he was never up there! Writings from bishop irenaeus from the 200s also clears this up. Glad this is coming out too :)

Grand revealing is for real!

5*

Personal experience and witnessing of evil spirits leaving people through His name and the power of prayer. Transformation of people through coming to Him, myself included.

Not because I read about it, but have experienced it in real life. So, it is indeed a personal "knowing".

'Confirms' ?

Confirms means to verify truth in something.

This is not truth. It's another source of nonsense found by some nobody or organization of nobodies.

Last Edited by Larry Wilcox on 07/13/2019 02:28 PM

Constantinople?

All this 700 years after Jesus lived?

How much you know about the 14th century?

Islam is of the devil.

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Why did they wait until now to bring it to light? If they had it and they already knew? Even if Jesus wasn’t crucified, and let’s say it’s true, it still says that Jesus is God. But why wait then? Doesn’t add up sounds like just what could happen. Another book trying to confuse Christians. Confusion is the devils work.