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Wheeler as the sniper is a needless layer added to the hoax theory. It makes no sense they would risk it all by using a parent as the sniper.

Since all the hoax believers belive the FBI was involved, then just say the sniper is an FBI agent. Would make more sense than saying it's one of the parents.
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you're aptly named, a clever word play i suppose. So tell me why they won't give up the environmental reports for 2012? how is it that docters in connecticut can remotely declare you dead? thats not what the establishment tests for in Conshahocken.
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This one if from 2011:

[link to web.archive.org (secure)] Facilities Survey/ED050-SANDY HOOK.pdf

The heart monitors EMT's use are connected to hospitals. So when you give a victim an EKG for instance, the docs at the hospital can see the results.
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Fetzer got four other CT death certificates, William Brandon Shanley, Avielle Richmond and Adam/Nancy Lanza.

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He talks about them on page 139-140 of that transcript. He does not say the Lanza's or Richmond certificates are fake.

If it were a drill made to look real, the death certificates would be real, but for fake victims. There would be no need for Pozner or anyone else to fabricate Noah's certificate, they would just issue a real one like for the Lanza's and Richmond.
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I agree with that. With a scheme of this apparent size and scope I don't see any problem with issuing "real" death certificates for fake victims. That's what I would expect them to do. But then why are there differences for Noah Pozner?

I think Fetzer made a serious strategic mistake going after a specific person like Noah Pozner as that opened up the grounds for a defamation suit. As I say, I don't know if there were any actual victims at Sandy Hoax....just that the official narrative cannot be true. It defies common sense and physical possibilities and probabilities, which I think has been Halbig's (correct) argument right along.
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Fetzer got four other CT death certificates, William Brandon Shanley, Avielle Richmond and Adam/Nancy Lanza.

[link to stop007.org (secure)]

He talks about them on page 139-140 of that transcript. He does not say the Lanza's or Richmond certificates are fake.

If it were a drill made to look real, the death certificates would be real, but for fake victims. There would be no need for Pozner or anyone else to fabricate Noah's certificate, they would just issue a real one like for the Lanza's and Richmond.
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You seem to be very aware of Shannon Hick's photographs. Are you aware of any she took of the actual SCHOOL at the time?
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If there were indeed child victims (20) of Sandy Hoax, I would be interested in knowing when they actually died (as opposed to when we were told they died). For example, these could all be victims of child trafficking who were murdered in advance (explaining why there were no injuries or survivors, just deaths). I could see a scenario like that occurring. Perhaps it would be a good way of getting rid of trafficking victims while creating a false flag.
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Fetzer got four other CT death certificates, William Brandon Shanley, Avielle Richmond and Adam/Nancy Lanza.

[link to stop007.org (secure)]

He talks about them on page 139-140 of that transcript. He does not say the Lanza's or Richmond certificates are fake.

If it were a drill made to look real, the death certificates would be real, but for fake victims. There would be no need for Pozner or anyone else to fabricate Noah's certificate, they would just issue a real one like for the Lanza's and Richmond.
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You seem to be very aware of Shannon Hick's photographs. Are you aware of any she took of the actual SCHOOL at the time?
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Other than on the 14th, i don't know.
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Fetzer got four other CT death certificates, William Brandon Shanley, Avielle Richmond and Adam/Nancy Lanza.

[link to stop007.org (secure)]

He talks about them on page 139-140 of that transcript. He does not say the Lanza's or Richmond certificates are fake.

If it were a drill made to look real, the death certificates would be real, but for fake victims. There would be no need for Pozner or anyone else to fabricate Noah's certificate, they would just issue a real one like for the Lanza's and Richmond.
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You seem to be very aware of Shannon Hick's photographs. Are you aware of any she took of the actual SCHOOL at the time?
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Other than on the 14th, i don't know.
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I've never seen any either. Nothing that has been publicized. Just pics of individuals or small groups or that small group of children being led.

It occurs to me if I were a photographer there right after such a gruesome event - and apparently the ONLY PHOTOGRAPHER THERE - I would want to take pictures of the SCHOOL and what was happening there as well.
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I'll be doing more checking on Shannon Hicks later on, have to go for a while. I'm really amazed that this was the ONLY PHOTOGRAPHER not only allowed to shoot but apparently the only one there. So I had to wonder how she GOT to SH:

From Time:

"t 9:59 last Friday morning, Shannon Hicks pulled her 2006 Jeep Wrangler off the road just outside Sandy Hook Elementary school. As associate editor and photographer for Newtown, Connecticut’s local paper, The Newtown Bee, she was responding to a radio dispatch heard over a local police scanner."


So I'm wondering....if Shannon responded to a local police scanner - why didn't dozens of parents and local personnel? Surely many of them had, just as we do, access to police scanners? In a small community like that, the info would have spread like wild fire.

And WHY let in 1 local reporter/photographer to take these pics? Why let in ANY OF THEM to an ongoing crime scene? It was only 20 minutes earlier that Lanza went on his alleged rampage.
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I'll be doing more checking on Shannon Hicks later on, have to go for a while. I'm really amazed that this was the ONLY PHOTOGRAPHER not only allowed to shoot but apparently the only one there. So I had to wonder how she GOT to SH:

From Time:

"t 9:59 last Friday morning, Shannon Hicks pulled her 2006 Jeep Wrangler off the road just outside Sandy Hook Elementary school. As associate editor and photographer for Newtown, Connecticut’s local paper, The Newtown Bee, she was responding to a radio dispatch heard over a local police scanner."


So I'm wondering....if Shannon responded to a local police scanner - why didn't dozens of parents and local personnel? Surely many of them had, just as we do, access to police scanners? In a small community like that, the info would have spread like wild fire.

And WHY let in 1 local reporter/photographer to take these pics? Why let in ANY OF THEM to an ongoing crime scene? It was only 20 minutes earlier that Lanza went on his alleged rampage.
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How many parents have police scanners?

Hicks wasn't right next to the school.

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The kids in the above photo were in the area of the red circle in the parking lot.

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I'll take a $1 house on Christmas day.
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Or you can get Prof James Tracy's home for $10.

Or Wolfgang's for $100.

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I have always said what should happen with events like Sandy Hoax is that they should be subject to open public scrutiny, particularly in the form of a PUBLIC INQUEST where all persons can view the information/data and participate in the asking of questions. We need to have PUBLIC INQUIRIES INTO THESE EVENTS because as we have seen in the revelations of the Trump era, we cannot trust what our public officials and their media allies tell us.
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The great thing is, and I see this on other sites or YT comments, etc, that MANY people - maybe even most at this point - no longer believe these false flag shootings. I was on a YT video the other day when people started discussing how fake the false flag shootings were - and that was not the topic of the video! It just came up and poster after poster started bringing up examples of fakery in Las Vegas, Walmart, etc.

Part of it is that the emotion has died down and people ARE looking at cases like Sandy Hoax more logically and realizing what we're told is not possible, and part of it is that they've gone to the well with these tactics too many times and people have seen how predictable they are. That these are production companies FOLLOWING A SCRIPT.

I was very pleased to see that.
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I am too. Here's the thing that most people know, that you can't just waltz into a school and carry out a shooting in the way they claim happens over and over. Schools here have had police officers and auto lock doors and schools built with no windows and all sorts of stuff for over 10 years. Then people stop to think, they never have a motive for these events and they have such lame and easily picked apart narratives and fake witnesses ponied up for the evening news.

If it comes up in real life for discussion amongst people over half don't buy these shooter events. They note that the media ignores the mass killings in the inner city but make a big deal about their fake events. Inner city schools which you'd think would be more vulnerable to violence don't have this. Why? Because mass shootings aren't real. And even inner city schools have the precautions taken above if there were random school shootings. Fortunately they've jumped the shark with it and people will question 'fake news' media reports.
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The great thing is, and I see this on other sites or YT comments, etc, that MANY people - maybe even most at this point - no longer believe these false flag shootings. I was on a YT video the other day when people started discussing how fake the false flag shootings were - and that was not the topic of the video! It just came up and poster after poster started bringing up examples of fakery in Las Vegas, Walmart, etc.

Part of it is that the emotion has died down and people ARE looking at cases like Sandy Hoax more logically and realizing what we're told is not possible, and part of it is that they've gone to the well with these tactics too many times and people have seen how predictable they are. That these are production companies FOLLOWING A SCRIPT.

I was very pleased to see that.
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I am too. Here's the thing that most people know, that you can't just waltz into a school and carry out a shooting in the way they claim happens over and over. Schools here have had police officers and auto lock doors and schools built with no windows and all sorts of stuff for over 10 years. Then people stop to think, they never have a motive for these events and they have such lame and easily picked apart narratives and fake witnesses ponied up for the evening news.

If it comes up in real life for discussion amongst people over half don't buy these shooter events. They note that the media ignores the mass killings in the inner city but make a big deal about their fake events. Inner city schools which you'd think would be more vulnerable to violence don't have this. Why? Because mass shootings aren't real. And even inner city schools have the precautions taken above if there were random school shootings. Fortunately they've jumped the shark with it and people will question 'fake news' media reports.
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Inner city schools are going to be more security conscious than a mostly white school in the suburbs.

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Thank you for posting all of this. I remember all the "son of a teacher" stuff that was buried very quickly, along with the men in the woods, etc. We just don't know what happened at Sandy Hook except the official story cannot possibly be true. It just isn't. I don't know if there were any dead kids or who they belonged to, or if there were dead kids, who killed them....but I DO KNOW the official story we have been told IS NOT TRUE. That should be the starting point of the investigation.
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Here's a link to what was being discussed back in February 2013.
Thread: SANDY HOOK BLOOMBERG VOLLMER CONNECTION NUMBER 4 THIS IS A BIG ONE
I was going over it and recollecting other oddities.
That Ryan was reported arrested nearby. That he had killed his father in another town in CT. Remember that?
I personally do not believe that Adam Lanza exists. I think "Adam" is a fictitious name for a supposed younger sibling. A method as was used by "victims" as well to pretend that photos of them taken back when they were six was a younger sibling, also. There is info about Ryan but I have never definitely seen that Adam existed.

I also recall the neighbor girl "Alexa" appeared again in some other false flag event.
I recall that Dawn Hochsprung photo also popped up at the Boston Bombing news reports calling her "Donna".

I remember when Allison Wyatt was shown as a random photo taken from facebook of a child the mother rcognized as her daughter, Lily Gaubert. The "Wyatts" must have noted that photo was not their child but said nothing.
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The random photo thing was particularly interesting, because they really had to have gone to some random persons Facebook account and taken a childs picture for it to have surfaced as one of the victims pictures. It wasn't a name connection, someone wasn't Googling up the victims name and saw this Facebook girls picture and thought her the victim, because neither of the two had any name likeness.

Someone just plucked a random unrelated image and then posted it as a victim picture.

Why? My theory is that they were using morphing techniques to evolve pictures of random people online into new people. Pictures like the Lily Gaubert picture would have been templates they used to mold the new person over the top. I saw some videos to this effect at the time that showed one picture (the Lily Gaubert picture) morphing into the next (the victims picture) to show how general angles and proportions are the same across pictures.

The theory is the Lily Gaubert picture made it into the pictures simply by accident of them including the source pictures for their doctorings.
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I'm going back over some older posts here now. I'd forgotten all about that - there are SO MANY BIZARRE things about Sandy Hoax, including this child's picture being used for a victim when the girl was alive. How does that happen esp with no confusion in the names.

I also agree that I don't believe Adam Lanza actually existed - I think he was an invention. The Man Who Never Was - look up that case in WW2, very interesting example of how to create a persona to fool an entire government. So....Assuming that Papa Lanza and Brother Ryan Lanza are real people..which they seem to be....who are they really that they would go along with this? Obviously they never gave a shit about Adam, if he existed, despite his disability.

And what DID happen to Nancy Lanza? Papa Lanza had an ex-wife who was Ryan's mother - I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that THIS is true. So what happened to her.

Perhaps, just throwing out an idea, perhaps there really was a disabled teen (autistic) who was being used to create this identity of Adam Lanza along with a woman pretending to be his mother?

This is quite a rabbit hole when you start asking questions. None of these people behaved normally from what I can see, and that Lanza house looks like a set up from all the photos. A production set.

Maybe "Adam Lanza" wasn't the originally patsy - maybe another story was originally and they decided to run with that narrative instead? Which might explain the confusion and also the poor production values in the Lanza house.
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I believe that Nancy is Ryan's mother and he was an only child. There is scant mention of Adam. Nancy Lanza was divorced from the father Lanza who was at one point reported to have been murdered by Ryan. Remember that jewel? How does that happen? It's as unlikely as the Wyatt/Gaubert gaff. Nancy is reported to have been from a LE family so she would have no qualms about participating in one of their drills. Especially if that isn't her real image being bandied about. She just goes to live elsewhere. Paris maybe. Who knows?
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Conspiracy Theorist Ordered To Pay $450K In Sandy Hook Defamation Case

October 16, 2019 at 12:51 pm

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — A jury in Wisconsin has awarded $450,000 to the father of a boy killed in the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting after he filed a defamation lawsuit against conspiracy theorist writers who claimed the massacre never happened.

Fetzer and Mike Palacek co-wrote a book, “Nobody Died at Sandy Hook.” A judge earlier ruled Pozner was defamed by statements in the book that claimed he fabricated copies of his son’s death certificate.


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just a fake story to scare people from speaking the truth!
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Can Ground Penetrating Radar determine if a body is inside their casket?
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The great thing is, and I see this on other sites or YT comments, etc, that MANY people - maybe even most at this point - no longer believe these false flag shootings. I was on a YT video the other day when people started discussing how fake the false flag shootings were - and that was not the topic of the video! It just came up and poster after poster started bringing up examples of fakery in Las Vegas, Walmart, etc.

Part of it is that the emotion has died down and people ARE looking at cases like Sandy Hoax more logically and realizing what we're told is not possible, and part of it is that they've gone to the well with these tactics too many times and people have seen how predictable they are. That these are production companies FOLLOWING A SCRIPT.

I was very pleased to see that.
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


I am too. Here's the thing that most people know, that you can't just waltz into a school and carry out a shooting in the way they claim happens over and over. Schools here have had police officers and auto lock doors and schools built with no windows and all sorts of stuff for over 10 years. Then people stop to think, they never have a motive for these events and they have such lame and easily picked apart narratives and fake witnesses ponied up for the evening news.

If it comes up in real life for discussion amongst people over half don't buy these shooter events. They note that the media ignores the mass killings in the inner city but make a big deal about their fake events. Inner city schools which you'd think would be more vulnerable to violence don't have this. Why? Because mass shootings aren't real. And even inner city schools have the precautions taken above if there were random school shootings. Fortunately they've jumped the shark with it and people will question 'fake news' media reports.
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Absolutely true - and they not only ignore the ongoing violence in places like Chicago, they ignore mass shootings if they don't fit the agenda of the shooter and situation that they want. We see this all the time.

Interesting you mention lack of motive because that actually was cited in the info I was looking at recently about Adam Lanza. No actual motive was ever established and we do hear this over and over. Las Vegas with Paddock is a great example. Absolutely no motive.

And the idea that the autistic Lanza (as they've presented him to us) could break into the school, shoot - and KILL, no WOUND - all these people and kill himself, in FIVE MINUTES, with no prior training such as a SEAL or other trained assassin, is astounding. It's just not possible.

People know this and say it anonymously but most are afraid to say it openly because of the massive intimidation tactics we've seen against anyone who questions something like Sandy Hoax.

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Can Ground Penetrating Radar determine if a body is inside their casket?
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Get one and find out.
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Can Ground Penetrating Radar determine if a body is inside their casket?
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That's an interesting idea. Do we actually know where they're buried?

I'm also wondering if anyone actually saw the bodies carried out of the school, including Lanza's. As far as I know, there are no pics of this. There's a remarkable lack of evidence for all of these claims. The evidence seems to be basically the testimony of the officers, coroner, a few adult witnesses allegedly in the building, later on the photographer, and that's about it as far as I know. It's basically TESTIMONY rather than physical evidence.
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Here's a link to what was being discussed back in February 2013.
Thread: SANDY HOOK BLOOMBERG VOLLMER CONNECTION NUMBER 4 THIS IS A BIG ONE
I was going over it and recollecting other oddities.
That Ryan was reported arrested nearby. That he had killed his father in another town in CT. Remember that?
I personally do not believe that Adam Lanza exists. I think "Adam" is a fictitious name for a supposed younger sibling. A method as was used by "victims" as well to pretend that photos of them taken back when they were six was a younger sibling, also. There is info about Ryan but I have never definitely seen that Adam existed.

I also recall the neighbor girl "Alexa" appeared again in some other false flag event.
I recall that Dawn Hochsprung photo also popped up at the Boston Bombing news reports calling her "Donna".

I remember when Allison Wyatt was shown as a random photo taken from facebook of a child the mother rcognized as her daughter, Lily Gaubert. The "Wyatts" must have noted that photo was not their child but said nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77797702


The random photo thing was particularly interesting, because they really had to have gone to some random persons Facebook account and taken a childs picture for it to have surfaced as one of the victims pictures. It wasn't a name connection, someone wasn't Googling up the victims name and saw this Facebook girls picture and thought her the victim, because neither of the two had any name likeness.

Someone just plucked a random unrelated image and then posted it as a victim picture.

Why? My theory is that they were using morphing techniques to evolve pictures of random people online into new people. Pictures like the Lily Gaubert picture would have been templates they used to mold the new person over the top. I saw some videos to this effect at the time that showed one picture (the Lily Gaubert picture) morphing into the next (the victims picture) to show how general angles and proportions are the same across pictures.

The theory is the Lily Gaubert picture made it into the pictures simply by accident of them including the source pictures for their doctorings.
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I'm going back over some older posts here now. I'd forgotten all about that - there are SO MANY BIZARRE things about Sandy Hoax, including this child's picture being used for a victim when the girl was alive. How does that happen esp with no confusion in the names.

I also agree that I don't believe Adam Lanza actually existed - I think he was an invention. The Man Who Never Was - look up that case in WW2, very interesting example of how to create a persona to fool an entire government. So....Assuming that Papa Lanza and Brother Ryan Lanza are real people..which they seem to be....who are they really that they would go along with this? Obviously they never gave a shit about Adam, if he existed, despite his disability.

And what DID happen to Nancy Lanza? Papa Lanza had an ex-wife who was Ryan's mother - I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that THIS is true. So what happened to her.

Perhaps, just throwing out an idea, perhaps there really was a disabled teen (autistic) who was being used to create this identity of Adam Lanza along with a woman pretending to be his mother?

This is quite a rabbit hole when you start asking questions. None of these people behaved normally from what I can see, and that Lanza house looks like a set up from all the photos. A production set.

Maybe "Adam Lanza" wasn't the originally patsy - maybe another story was originally and they decided to run with that narrative instead? Which might explain the confusion and also the poor production values in the Lanza house.
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


I believe that Nancy is Ryan's mother and he was an only child. There is scant mention of Adam. Nancy Lanza was divorced from the father Lanza who was at one point reported to have been murdered by Ryan. Remember that jewel? How does that happen? It's as unlikely as the Wyatt/Gaubert gaff. Nancy is reported to have been from a LE family so she would have no qualms about participating in one of their drills. Especially if that isn't her real image being bandied about. She just goes to live elsewhere. Paris maybe. Who knows?
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I agree with everything you've said. I find remarkably little evidence that Adam actually existed and that there's a consistent time line for the Ryan clan. I do indeed remember the confusion in the first couple of hours of SH about Adam having RYAN's ID (why would that be and how would he have his NY brother's ID in CT - clever autistic boy) and whether Ryan had been murdered. There was also something about Ryan's girlfriend? if I recall correctly. There was a LOT of confusion during those couple of hours - throwing flak up to created red herrings? Or possibly they decided to change the narrative at the last minute. I assume whoever played Nancy is alive somewhere...but maybe not. She might have been an inconvenient loose end.

Did Adam have a driver's license? Maybe - I don't know. I wonder if there's a record of that. Did people know him in high school (or grade school)? Are there any pics of AL from that period?
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The great thing is, and I see this on other sites or YT comments, etc, that MANY people - maybe even most at this point - no longer believe these false flag shootings. I was on a YT video the other day when people started discussing how fake the false flag shootings were - and that was not the topic of the video! It just came up and poster after poster started bringing up examples of fakery in Las Vegas, Walmart, etc.

Part of it is that the emotion has died down and people ARE looking at cases like Sandy Hoax more logically and realizing what we're told is not possible, and part of it is that they've gone to the well with these tactics too many times and people have seen how predictable they are. That these are production companies FOLLOWING A SCRIPT.

I was very pleased to see that.
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel


I am too. Here's the thing that most people know, that you can't just waltz into a school and carry out a shooting in the way they claim happens over and over. Schools here have had police officers and auto lock doors and schools built with no windows and all sorts of stuff for over 10 years. Then people stop to think, they never have a motive for these events and they have such lame and easily picked apart narratives and fake witnesses ponied up for the evening news.

If it comes up in real life for discussion amongst people over half don't buy these shooter events. They note that the media ignores the mass killings in the inner city but make a big deal about their fake events. Inner city schools which you'd think would be more vulnerable to violence don't have this. Why? Because mass shootings aren't real. And even inner city schools have the precautions taken above if there were random school shootings. Fortunately they've jumped the shark with it and people will question 'fake news' media reports.
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Inner city schools are going to be more security conscious than a mostly white school in the suburbs.

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Apparently Sandy Hook had put in a new security system per Wikipedia. They allege that the really extraordinary autistic assassin Adam shot his way into the school.

As a side note, I remember how Halbig would laugh about how the cops, in their "re-enactment" or "investigation" would crawl through the hole in the door rather than just open the door. Presumably Adam would have just reached in and opened the door after breaking the glass.

The whole story is absurd.
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Here's the passage from Wikipedia (the official story) about Adam HAVING RYAN LANZA's ID:

"Police sources initially reported Lanza's sibling, Ryan Lanza, as the perpetrator. This was likely because the perpetrator was carrying his brother's identification, Ryan told The Jersey Journal.[96] Lanza's brother, who lived in Hoboken, New Jersey and was at his job in New York City at the time of the shooting, voluntarily submitted to questioning by New Jersey State Police, Connecticut State Police, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Police said he was not considered a suspect, and he was not taken into custody.[37][97][98] Ryan Lanza said he had not been in touch with his brother since 2010.[99][100] Connecticut State Police indicated their concern about misinformation being posted on social media sites and threatened prosecution of anyone involved with such activities.[101]"


If Ryan LANZA lived in Hoboken and worked in NYC and had not been in touch with his autistic brother since 2010....HOW DID ADAM HAVE HIS ID?

It's simple questions like this that come out right from the absurd official story that PROVE THAT IT'S A LIE.
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The random photo thing was particularly interesting, because they really had to have gone to some random persons Facebook account and taken a childs picture for it to have surfaced as one of the victims pictures. It wasn't a name connection, someone wasn't Googling up the victims name and saw this Facebook girls picture and thought her the victim, because neither of the two had any name likeness.

Someone just plucked a random unrelated image and then posted it as a victim picture.

Why? My theory is that they were using morphing techniques to evolve pictures of random people online into new people. Pictures like the Lily Gaubert picture would have been templates they used to mold the new person over the top. I saw some videos to this effect at the time that showed one picture (the Lily Gaubert picture) morphing into the next (the victims picture) to show how general angles and proportions are the same across pictures.

The theory is the Lily Gaubert picture made it into the pictures simply by accident of them including the source pictures for their doctorings.
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I'm going back over some older posts here now. I'd forgotten all about that - there are SO MANY BIZARRE things about Sandy Hoax, including this child's picture being used for a victim when the girl was alive. How does that happen esp with no confusion in the names.

I also agree that I don't believe Adam Lanza actually existed - I think he was an invention. The Man Who Never Was - look up that case in WW2, very interesting example of how to create a persona to fool an entire government. So....Assuming that Papa Lanza and Brother Ryan Lanza are real people..which they seem to be....who are they really that they would go along with this? Obviously they never gave a shit about Adam, if he existed, despite his disability.

And what DID happen to Nancy Lanza? Papa Lanza had an ex-wife who was Ryan's mother - I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that THIS is true. So what happened to her.

Perhaps, just throwing out an idea, perhaps there really was a disabled teen (autistic) who was being used to create this identity of Adam Lanza along with a woman pretending to be his mother?

This is quite a rabbit hole when you start asking questions. None of these people behaved normally from what I can see, and that Lanza house looks like a set up from all the photos. A production set.

Maybe "Adam Lanza" wasn't the originally patsy - maybe another story was originally and they decided to run with that narrative instead? Which might explain the confusion and also the poor production values in the Lanza house.
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I believe that Nancy is Ryan's mother and he was an only child. There is scant mention of Adam. Nancy Lanza was divorced from the father Lanza who was at one point reported to have been murdered by Ryan. Remember that jewel? How does that happen? It's as unlikely as the Wyatt/Gaubert gaff. Nancy is reported to have been from a LE family so she would have no qualms about participating in one of their drills. Especially if that isn't her real image being bandied about. She just goes to live elsewhere. Paris maybe. Who knows?
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I agree with everything you've said. I find remarkably little evidence that Adam actually existed and that there's a consistent time line for the Ryan clan. I do indeed remember the confusion in the first couple of hours of SH about Adam having RYAN's ID (why would that be and how would he have his NY brother's ID in CT - clever autistic boy) and whether Ryan had been murdered. There was also something about Ryan's girlfriend? if I recall correctly. There was a LOT of confusion during those couple of hours - throwing flak up to created red herrings? Or possibly they decided to change the narrative at the last minute. I assume whoever played Nancy is alive somewhere...but maybe not. She might have been an inconvenient loose end.

Did Adam have a driver's license? Maybe - I don't know. I wonder if there's a record of that. Did people know him in high school (or grade school)? Are there any pics of AL from that period?
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Adam appears to have been invented out of earlier photos of a younger Ryan. The same method many of the Sandy Hook "victims" were invented.
Yes, now that you mention it I think the media reported that "Adam" had Ryan's DL. Which makes sense since Adam was invented from Ryan. And I do recall that Ryan was being reported in the media as having murdered his girlfriend and his father at two different locations in New Jersey. Turns out the father Peter Lanza lived in Stamford, CT or I may need a refresher on that but I know it wasn't NJ. But, though they were investigating this murder, the media dropped it when it didn't match any narrative or fecked up their storyline. I remember thinking well who's dead then?

Nobody turns out. So they were just making it up.
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I have to wonder how long Ryan was without his ID (aside from how Adam would have acquired it) and whether he reported this as lost or stolen and in need of replacement.
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I'm going back over some older posts here now. I'd forgotten all about that - there are SO MANY BIZARRE things about Sandy Hoax, including this child's picture being used for a victim when the girl was alive. How does that happen esp with no confusion in the names.

I also agree that I don't believe Adam Lanza actually existed - I think he was an invention. The Man Who Never Was - look up that case in WW2, very interesting example of how to create a persona to fool an entire government. So....Assuming that Papa Lanza and Brother Ryan Lanza are real people..which they seem to be....who are they really that they would go along with this? Obviously they never gave a shit about Adam, if he existed, despite his disability.

And what DID happen to Nancy Lanza? Papa Lanza had an ex-wife who was Ryan's mother - I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that THIS is true. So what happened to her.

Perhaps, just throwing out an idea, perhaps there really was a disabled teen (autistic) who was being used to create this identity of Adam Lanza along with a woman pretending to be his mother?

This is quite a rabbit hole when you start asking questions. None of these people behaved normally from what I can see, and that Lanza house looks like a set up from all the photos. A production set.

Maybe "Adam Lanza" wasn't the originally patsy - maybe another story was originally and they decided to run with that narrative instead? Which might explain the confusion and also the poor production values in the Lanza house.
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I believe that Nancy is Ryan's mother and he was an only child. There is scant mention of Adam. Nancy Lanza was divorced from the father Lanza who was at one point reported to have been murdered by Ryan. Remember that jewel? How does that happen? It's as unlikely as the Wyatt/Gaubert gaff. Nancy is reported to have been from a LE family so she would have no qualms about participating in one of their drills. Especially if that isn't her real image being bandied about. She just goes to live elsewhere. Paris maybe. Who knows?
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I agree with everything you've said. I find remarkably little evidence that Adam actually existed and that there's a consistent time line for the Ryan clan. I do indeed remember the confusion in the first couple of hours of SH about Adam having RYAN's ID (why would that be and how would he have his NY brother's ID in CT - clever autistic boy) and whether Ryan had been murdered. There was also something about Ryan's girlfriend? if I recall correctly. There was a LOT of confusion during those couple of hours - throwing flak up to created red herrings? Or possibly they decided to change the narrative at the last minute. I assume whoever played Nancy is alive somewhere...but maybe not. She might have been an inconvenient loose end.

Did Adam have a driver's license? Maybe - I don't know. I wonder if there's a record of that. Did people know him in high school (or grade school)? Are there any pics of AL from that period?
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Adam appears to have been invented out of earlier photos of a younger Ryan. The same method many of the Sandy Hook "victims" were invented.
Yes, now that you mention it I think the media reported that "Adam" had Ryan's DL. Which makes sense since Adam was invented from Ryan. And I do recall that Ryan was being reported in the media as having murdered his girlfriend and his father at two different locations in New Jersey. Turns out the father Peter Lanza lived in Stamford, CT or I may need a refresher on that but I know it wasn't NJ. But, though they were investigating this murder, the media dropped it when it didn't match any narrative or fecked up their storyline. I remember thinking well who's dead then?

Nobody turns out. So they were just making it up.
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The whole thing is made up, of course. We can punch holes in it for DAYS just going through the official story on Wikipedia. Which IS the official story.

The alleged Adam (per Wikipedia) did have Ryan's ID (who lived in NJ and worked in NYC) - how did he get this? Why would someone who's going to kill himself somehow desire to get and magically procure his brother's ID. Didn't Adam have his OWN ID of some type, especially if he could drive? Did he HAVE a drivers license?

I do remember those stories in the beginning about Ryan perhaps killing his gf and his dad and one wonders why those elements, which were never followed up (and presumably untrue) were included.

I get the sense that there was some big confusion in narrative about this story. Perhaps it was Ryan who was supposed to be the patsy. We'll never know - obviously no real investigation of this nonsense was ever done - except by Halbig and Fetzer and people like them.

Have Ryan and Papa Lanza (whose name I forget) ever done interviews about the brother and son they apparently abandoned for years?
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After perusing the official story on Wikipedia for the past couple of days, I could literally sit here and poke holes in it one after another after another, for HOURS. And that's just the official story - not even adding in any of the conspiracy theory ideas. The official story is NONSENSE.
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I have to wonder how long Ryan was without his ID (aside from how Adam would have acquired it) and whether he reported this as lost or stolen and in need of replacement.
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This was a drill. It wasn't an actual shooting. Therefore anything that was told to the media for them to regurgitate is just an ever-changing narrative to try to whack-a-mole holes in the story.

There was no broken glass to start with. Storyline: He was buzzed in because the secretaries recognized him as the son of the kindergarten teacher. They even commented about how sweet and nice Ms. Lanza was. Blatant lies since she never worked at the schools.

Story changes to, he shot out the glass AFTER police broke it when they did their drill scenario and realized they needed to show a different story about how "he" got in.

The original story had versions about Ryan and Adam both being involved and that's because the drill scenario said TWO sons of the kindergarten teacher.

It was lie without retraction or explanation just new storyline supplanted by new storyline, supplanted by new storyline as it crumpled and fell as all lies do.
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The random photo thing was particularly interesting, because they really had to have gone to some random persons Facebook account and taken a childs picture for it to have surfaced as one of the victims pictures. It wasn't a name connection, someone wasn't Googling up the victims name and saw this Facebook girls picture and thought her the victim, because neither of the two had any name likeness.

Someone just plucked a random unrelated image and then posted it as a victim picture.

Why? My theory is that they were using morphing techniques to evolve pictures of random people online into new people. Pictures like the Lily Gaubert picture would have been templates they used to mold the new person over the top. I saw some videos to this effect at the time that showed one picture (the Lily Gaubert picture) morphing into the next (the victims picture) to show how general angles and proportions are the same across pictures.

The theory is the Lily Gaubert picture made it into the pictures simply by accident of them including the source pictures for their doctorings.
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I'm going back over some older posts here now. I'd forgotten all about that - there are SO MANY BIZARRE things about Sandy Hoax, including this child's picture being used for a victim when the girl was alive. How does that happen esp with no confusion in the names.

I also agree that I don't believe Adam Lanza actually existed - I think he was an invention. The Man Who Never Was - look up that case in WW2, very interesting example of how to create a persona to fool an entire government. So....Assuming that Papa Lanza and Brother Ryan Lanza are real people..which they seem to be....who are they really that they would go along with this? Obviously they never gave a shit about Adam, if he existed, despite his disability.

And what DID happen to Nancy Lanza? Papa Lanza had an ex-wife who was Ryan's mother - I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that THIS is true. So what happened to her.

Perhaps, just throwing out an idea, perhaps there really was a disabled teen (autistic) who was being used to create this identity of Adam Lanza along with a woman pretending to be his mother?

This is quite a rabbit hole when you start asking questions. None of these people behaved normally from what I can see, and that Lanza house looks like a set up from all the photos. A production set.

Maybe "Adam Lanza" wasn't the originally patsy - maybe another story was originally and they decided to run with that narrative instead? Which might explain the confusion and also the poor production values in the Lanza house.
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I believe that Nancy is Ryan's mother and he was an only child. There is scant mention of Adam. Nancy Lanza was divorced from the father Lanza who was at one point reported to have been murdered by Ryan. Remember that jewel? How does that happen? It's as unlikely as the Wyatt/Gaubert gaff. Nancy is reported to have been from a LE family so she would have no qualms about participating in one of their drills. Especially if that isn't her real image being bandied about. She just goes to live elsewhere. Paris maybe. Who knows?
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I agree with everything you've said. I find remarkably little evidence that Adam actually existed and that there's a consistent time line for the Ryan clan. I do indeed remember the confusion in the first couple of hours of SH about Adam having RYAN's ID (why would that be and how would he have his NY brother's ID in CT - clever autistic boy) and whether Ryan had been murdered. There was also something about Ryan's girlfriend? if I recall correctly. There was a LOT of confusion during those couple of hours - throwing flak up to created red herrings? Or possibly they decided to change the narrative at the last minute. I assume whoever played Nancy is alive somewhere...but maybe not. She might have been an inconvenient loose end.

Did Adam have a driver's license? Maybe - I don't know. I wonder if there's a record of that. Did people know him in high school (or grade school)? Are there any pics of AL from that period?
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Well, you do have video footage of him playing DDR at shopping malls with his facial features disappearing and reappearing between frames.
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The crisis actor tasked to play the role of Adam Lanza in the Sandy Hook Elementary Drill was FBI Agent's son, David Hogg.


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When the drill was reported as real by gun-grabbing commie fake news, the actors were supposed to stay quiet. David Hogg was in California where he graduated in Redondo beach, and he got into a confrontation at a local beach with a police officer over a surf board on a trash can. This was a foul-up by egotistical David Hogg. After his face was public he was given a too-big-to-fail designation and sent to the Parkland Florida operation where again, David screwed up. Prior to the operation, big-head David leaked to students that he was a crisis actor and thank god they published the YouTube video accusing him as such prior to the operation. After the operation he claimed to have been at the school when the shooting took place, as a student. This was later proven false and he recanted that he was a student. The fake news attention gave David a platform to be planted as an national youth anti-gun advocate figure. The walking disaster of a human being that is David Hogg has been bumbledicking around the commie news ever since. You know I'm right.





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