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YHWH the False Creator. YHWH the Creator of the Slave Race Man.

 
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Does anyone here know what TRUE FREEDOM is?

True freedom is the ability to come and go as you please anywhere, anytime in the whole universe simply by thought.

True freedom is not to be subject to any of the known or unknown elements, fire water heat, cold or hunger. As long as we occupy these fleshly shells we are subject to slavery.

It doesnt help that we were created a non telepathic race. Who could decieve us if we knew the others intentions? The slavery issue goes deeper than the here and now.

We were created as slaves. We are, all of us, mighty spiritual beings trapped in fleshly shells.

We are slaves and the conspiracy of it goes all the way to the top, the creator of mankind, this YHWH we have been sold as god.

Freedom for mortals is as you describe. Mortal Beings are ficticious identities that were created to provide a virtual reality learning experience for Immortal Gods.

If you feel you can be hurt or that you can die, then YOU are a fictitious creature.

True freedom is being aware that you are not mortal, but instead that you are only the operator of a mortal body.

True freedom is not buying into the emotional game of desire and reward.

True freedom is to never take offense or feel the need to defend yourself.

Yahweh simply gives Gods the forum for them to have their experience.

If you take offense to Yahweh..Jehovah...then you believe you are mortal and you are temporarily lost....

maybe next life?




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this is the hard truth:

Freedom for mortals is as you describe. Mortal Beings are ficticious identities that were created to provide a virtual reality learning experience for Immortal Gods.

If you feel you can be hurt or that you can die, then YOU are a fictitious creature.

True freedom is being aware that you are not mortal, but instead that you are only the operator of a mortal body.

True freedom is not buying into the emotional game of desire and reward.

True freedom is to never take offense or feel the need to defend yourself.

Yahweh simply gives Gods the forum for them to have their experience.

If you take offense to Yahweh..Jehovah...then you believe you are mortal and you are temporarily lost....

maybe next life?
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I've had the power of the Holy Spirit move itself over me. I've had more spiritual experiences than I care to admit to. This is why in part I'm able to see thru the Christian bullshit.

The bible KJV is an official publication of the god forsaken British Empire run by a Luciferian bloodline. There are countless errors. I believe an an all loving creator, and YHWH is not it...


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Not a christian. Too many definitions.

One who has the LIVING Torah inside, not a dead religion or the written word in my head. A LIVING savior full of love and life. The power and word of YHVH.

There is no explanation of words that can prove. Let him prove himself. Shalom.
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You are correct in the fact their are no words. The true creator is not one of words. The true creator is what makes it possible to exist at all. Not to enslave spiritual entities in a fleshly shell..That which is enmity to him..

Earth is a slave colony for this YHWH, to play god. He tired of the game and possibly moved on..Or else we got tired of his game and became more trouble to him than it was worth..The true creator still waits for us to find him..


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And God doesn't and never will talk to us, instruct us... because no-one ever helped God did they? He had to will himself into existence and figure everything out for himself... probably still is trying to work it all out (through us)
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the real God comes to a still mind....

the more your mind is filled with thought, the more you are identifying with the insane body (carnal) and do not want reality.
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When you get to a point where you can demonstrate any of this, let me know.
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Sorry for the delay in response. I own my own company and yes Im still here at all hours..

My idea of a loving creator is obviously different than yours. If I am to be judged, lets hope its by mine rather than yours...


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Yes I know how that is owning a company. Run an environmental cleanup / Hazmat business.

What I know about our Creator is not my idea. I know this one by the LIVING Word within my temple and is the perfect relationship of a father and son. This is the way with all of his people. Not many understand what the s.a.tan has done and how this deceiver wants to take all whom he can to the punishment only prepared for him. The only thing this s.a.tan has is great deception to cause people to do things from hate. The truth be known this s.a.tan is the author of confusion and for the hatred and rage of all people. The LIVING Word brings perfect peace, life and the ability to BE. To have true REST in his awe and glory is true life no matter whether this temporary body of clay lives or passes on and turns to dust. The spirit being within is made alive by him and will live with him in a new body at the resurrection when he appears in the clouds of heaven. These are only words but may the Holy Spirit of the power of YHVH reveal his love to you within your heart. Amein.



I've had the power of the Holy Spirit move itself over me. I've had more spiritual experiences than I care to admit to. This is why in part I'm able to see thru the Christian bullshit.

The bible KJV is an official publication of the god forsaken British Empire run by a Luciferian bloodline. There are countless errors. I believe an an all loving creator, and YHWH is not it...


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That wasn't the Holy Spirit that was Satan himself...seems more realistic
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You are correct in the fact their are no words. The true creator is not one of words. The true creator is what makes it possible to exist at all. Not to enslave spiritual entities in a fleshly shell..That which is enmity to him..

Earth is a slave colony for this YHWH, to play god. He tired of the game and possibly moved on..Or else we got tired of his game and became more trouble to him than it was worth..The true creator still waits for us to find him..


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Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!
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a cow is not bothered by giving milk.

Hard Truth,

it sounds like you would truly love reading "Far Journeys" by Robert Monroe.

He was a man that went way outside the box and met those that gave a very accurate description of what is truly going on here.

Gods being clothed in mortal bodies through a virtual reality.

The Gods give off energy eternally, this energy is called 'Love'. The virtual reality uses this energy to fuel it's existance. Some Gods get caught up in the virtual reality and decide to become DEMI-Gods INSIDE the VR illusion. These Demi-gods learn how to gather and USE the Love energy to make them more powerful in the VR world.

The Gods in bodies are NOT slaves. We are here to experience what we came to experience. It is a deal we agreed to.

When you are done with the experience, you will leave it.

Fighting it does nothing but entrench you further in it.
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When you get to a point where you can demonstrate any of this, let me know.
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pgs 162-180

Robert Monroe
Far Journeys

You might want to read "journeys out of the body" first to get a foundation for his experiences.
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this is the hard truth:

Freedom for mortals is as you describe. Mortal Beings are ficticious identities that were created to provide a virtual reality learning experience for Immortal Gods.

If you feel you can be hurt or that you can die, then YOU are a fictitious creature.

True freedom is being aware that you are not mortal, but instead that you are only the operator of a mortal body.

True freedom is not buying into the emotional game of desire and reward.

True freedom is to never take offense or feel the need to defend yourself.

Yahweh simply gives Gods the forum for them to have their experience.

If you take offense to Yahweh..Jehovah...then you believe you are mortal and you are temporarily lost....

maybe next life?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 232837



Wise words...I do not take offense to the true creator..Im saying this YHWH aint him...Next life im not letting anyone talk me into coming back. I think this too is more than likely to keep us in slavery..Ill just be a spiritual runner throughout the galaxy..LOL


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Earth is the prison for the fallen angels, once they learn their errors they can leave.
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Sorry for the delay in response. I own my own company and yes Im still here at all hours..

My idea of a loving creator is obviously different than yours. If I am to be judged, lets hope its by mine rather than yours...


___________

Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!

Yes I know how that is owning a company. Run an environmental cleanup / Hazmat business.

What I know about our Creator is not my idea. I know this one by the LIVING Word within my temple and is the perfect relationship of a father and son. This is the way with all of his people. Not many understand what the s.a.tan has done and how this deceiver wants to take all whom he can to the punishment only prepared for him. The only thing this s.a.tan has is great deception to cause people to do things from hate. The truth be known this s.a.tan is the author of confusion and for the hatred and rage of all people. The LIVING Word brings perfect peace, life and the ability to BE. To have true REST in his awe and glory is true life no matter whether this temporary body of clay lives or passes on and turns to dust. The spirit being within is made alive by him and will live with him in a new body at the resurrection when he appears in the clouds of heaven. These are only words but may the Holy Spirit of the power of YHVH reveal his love to you within your heart. Amein.



I've had the power of the Holy Spirit move itself over me. I've had more spiritual experiences than I care to admit to. This is why in part I'm able to see thru the Christian bullshit.

The bible KJV is an official publication of the god forsaken British Empire run by a Luciferian bloodline. There are countless errors. I believe an an all loving creator, and YHWH is not it...


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Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!


That wasn't the Holy Spirit that was Satan himself...seems more realistic
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Satan takes by force, the Holy Spirit does not. Satan destroys...I think I know the diffrence...Do You?


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You are correct in the fact their are no words. The true creator is not one of words. The true creator is what makes it possible to exist at all. Not to enslave spiritual entities in a fleshly shell..That which is enmity to him..

Earth is a slave colony for this YHWH, to play god. He tired of the game and possibly moved on..Or else we got tired of his game and became more trouble to him than it was worth..The true creator still waits for us to find him..


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Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!


a cow is not bothered by giving milk.

Hard Truth,

it sounds like you would truly love reading "Far Journeys" by Robert Monroe.

He was a man that went way outside the box and met those that gave a very accurate description of what is truly going on here.

Gods being clothed in mortal bodies through a virtual reality.

The Gods give off energy eternally, this energy is called 'Love'. The virtual reality uses this energy to fuel it's existance. Some Gods get caught up in the virtual reality and decide to become DEMI-Gods INSIDE the VR illusion. These Demi-gods learn how to gather and USE the Love energy to make them more powerful in the VR world.

The Gods in bodies are NOT slaves. We are here to experience what we came to experience. It is a deal we agreed to.

When you are done with the experience, you will leave it.

Fighting it does nothing but entrench you further in it.
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Let us hope this is the case. Someone pull the plug please...LOL..Ill check monroe out..thanx


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Jesus never came to destoy anyone. I can feel the anger in you though.
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Jesus never came to destoy anyone. I can feel the anger in you though.
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there is more than one saviour. have you considered that?
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Jesus never came to destoy anyone. I can feel the anger in you though.


there is more than one saviour. have you considered that?
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No where does it say this?
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Earth is the prison for the fallen angels, once they learn their errors they can leave.
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I have learned the errors of my ways...Can I please leave now...........Still here...I think youre right for the most part. Something or someone aint let us leave own our own terms thats for sure..


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Jesus never came to destoy anyone. I can feel the anger in you though.
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When you realize what TRUE FREEDOM is, and its not what we humankind have, damn right im angry..


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My theory, for what it is worth.
The human race is comprised of both individuals and is a collective being.
It's a Body.
And it's Head is Jesus.
A long time ago the Soles(sic) that comprise the human race
'fell' into Matter and got addicted to it and forgot who they were.. little sparks of light in an infinite sea of light.
So the human race IS Lucifer, the fallen rebellious angel/s.
The reality they fell into is a frequency or "god" a rather mindless mechanical area of Cause and Effect,which is symbolised by Cronos=Tick Tock Time (rather than infinite time"")aka YHWH aka Saturn aka the Demiurge.
Symbolised by a serpent eating it's own tail. Etc etc.
Jesus, Head of the Lucifers,chose to come into Matter, in order to assist other little Lucifers to escape.
Some little Lucifers prefer not to, as it's such fun "down here" making life hell for their brethren.
Unfortunately that is a price, which is the loss of the Sole (sic)at what some call the day of Judgement-which is where the Sole appraises itself.
Some jobs really are Sole destroying!
And Satan, being YHWH, is the rather large mechanical computer awareness that runs this level of existence.
All those zombie mechanoid people you see? They're "his".
As are a set of hyperdimensional beings, known as the Lizzies, the Dracs, the Nagas, demons, djinn etc.
They're kind of advanced programs, who feed off the spiritual energy of living beings... such as humans.
What people forget is the tendency to personify, to frame what happens "out there" in comprehensible human terms.
God is a He, who lives in a Celestial City.
Lucifer was a Man with Wings,who had an argument with the Old Man.
Satan dressed in black leathers, rode a motorbike and was really cool.
YWHW may or may not have had a girlfriend called Asherath.
Etc.
Only when humans realise that they are an infinitesmal part of a much larger being and that any idea of God they might have is naturally limited by (current)human perception will there be any chance of breaking out of the prison.
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Does anyone here know what TRUE FREEDOM is?

True freedom is the ability to come and go as you please anywhere, anytime in the whole universe simply by thought.

True freedom is not to be subject to any of the known or unknown elements, fire water heat, cold or hunger. As long as we occupy these fleshly shells we are subject to slavery.

It doesnt help that we were created a non telepathic race. Who could decieve us if we knew the others intentions? The slavery issue goes deeper than the here and now.

We were created as slaves. We are, all of us, mighty spiritual beings trapped in fleshly shells.

We are slaves and the conspiracy of it goes all the way to the top, the creator of mankind, this YHWH we have been sold as god.




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Perception is an illusion that has no basis in reality.
i love satan
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Jesus never came to destoy anyone. I can feel the anger in you though.


there is more than one saviour. have you considered that?


No where does it say this?
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I didn't say there was a book that says "once upon a time there were two saviours".

Just as there are many 'Gods' and many 'Devils' (read the bible for all of the names). Yes, many Gods. Elohim is NOT Jehovah, ask any Rabbi. Yes, Rabbi, didn't you know that the Old Testament is in HEBREW.

There are saviours in the plan of Gods and the plan of Devils.

One saviour is provided to forgive men for sin.

One saviour is provided to reawaken the children of God from their slumber.

One saviour is provided to give men a means to progress eternally in this universe and to one day reunite with their creator.

One saviour is provided to inform the children of God that they can come home because their father never condemned them.

One saviour is provided to take upon himself the sin of the world to provide salvation for men.

Now...study out which of these applies to you.

If you agreed with the ones that have the word "man" or "men" in them then you do not believe in the same Christ that I know.
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Let me dust this off and drop it in here for consideration.

Cheers,

Dismas

Dark Gods

The notion that humankind was created by some type of extraterrestrial genetic manipulation, according to some researchers, is the actual basis of the creation stories found in the ancient “Sumerian Records” and the later “Hebrew Scriptures.” This idea is set out in detail in the work of Israeli scholar Zecharia Sitchin, who uses the Sumerian records to argue that modern “Homo sapiens” were created by beings from outer space called "Nefilim". He believes that the Nefilim created humans by genetically modifying “Homo erectus,” then mated with them and argued over what to do with them.

In 1989 Zecharia Sitchin's radical hypothesis was taken a major step further with the publication of the book The Gods of Eden, appropriately subtitled: “The chilling truth about extraterrestrial infiltration - and the conspiracy to keep humankind in chains.” The author, a Californian lawyer going by the nom de plume "William Bramley" brought together all the major themes found in earlier ‘ancient astronaut’ research and merged them with a unique ‘conspiracy view of history.’ Bramley’s thesis, shocking and confronting to nearly all established popular beliefs, is:

Human beings appear to be a “slave race” breeding on an “isolated planet” in a “small galaxy.” As such, the human race was once a source of labor for an “extraterrestrial civilization” (and still remains a possession today.) To keep control over its possession and to maintain Earth as something of a prison, the “extraterrestrial overlords”, have bred a never-ending conflict between the various races of human beings, has promoted spiritual confusion, and has erected on Earth, conditions of unremitting physical hardship. This situation has existed for thousands of years and it continues today.

(The Gods of Eden)

The idea that human kind is the product of “genetic engineering” carried out by extraterrestrials from outside our tiny planet challenges both Darwinian evolution and creationism. Have the dogmas of science and religion blinded us to the truth of our origins?

The Christian church proclaims that a supposedly all-knowing, all-powerful ‘God’ created our first parents from ‘mud’, in much the same way as potter molds clay. Only when Adam and Eve broke their Creator's rules were they subject to pain, sickness and death. By disobeying this ‘God’, they also condemned their offspring — all humanity — to be ‘sinners’. Christianity derives the unfortunate tale of Adam and Eve from Genesis, the first book of the Hebrew Bible (or Old Testament.)

If we interpret the Bible literally, regarding it as an “infallible historical document,” we are introduced to a creator ‘God’ (Jehovah/Yahweh) who, by his own admission, is jealous, wrathful and full of vengeance. The “fear” of the "Lord" (Jehovah/Yahweh) is constantly stressed throughout the Old Testament. He is expected to reward those who worship him and are not delinquent in their observance of the ritual law, by gratifying their worldly desires for material gains and worldly power. One cannot help but note that this cruel, bloodthirsty, and selfish ‘God’ bears a striking resemblance to the “capricious” gods of Sumeria.

This all too human ‘God’, according to Genesis, took a walk in the "cool of the day," unaware that his prize humans had spoiled his creation by eating the ‘forbidden fruit’. After this, having chased the first human couple out of Paradise, he threatens their descendants with his wrath (until the day when he drowned the whole world in a flood.)

This ‘God’ (Jehovah/Yahweh) as the historian Gibbon observed in ,”The Decline and fall of the Roman Empire,” is a "being, liable to passion and error, capricious in his favor, implacable in his resentment, meanly jealous of his superstitious worship, and confining his partial providence to a single people (Jews) and to this transitory life."

Research indicates that the Hebrew Bible, far from being an infallible historical text authored by the “Supreme Being,” is a heavily revised compilation of at least two entirely separate works. Fused together in the Book of Genesis are two separate works known to scholars as the northern "E" and southern "J" traditions, which are supplemented by additional revisions and inserts. In "E" (the Elohist passages) resides the pre-Judeans tradition of the northern peoples who exalted the Most-High God, El and the subordinate Elohim (Shining Ones). The "J" or "Jehovist" passages describe a totally alien entity, the evil and contending Jehovah (YHWH), the "Lord".

According to Max J. Dimont, in Jews, God and History:” In the 5th century B.C. Jewish priests combined portions of the ‘J’ and ‘E’ documents, adding a little handiwork of their own (known as the pious fraud), which are referred to as the ‘JE’ documents, since “God” in these passages is referred to as ‘Jehovah Elohim’ (translated as ‘Lord God’)."
This is why within the Bible we encounter “contradictory and conflicting” images of the Supreme God. We find Jehovah, a tribal god, “masquerading as the Supreme Being.” The first chapters of Genesis describe an awesome struggle between two rival powers. There is the “Most High God and His Elohim” who create through their own manifest spirit; and “the malevolent Lord God, Jehovah,” who created a “synthetic being” composed of dirt. “Jehovah” is actually “Satanael” (a “Shining One,” who rose in revolt against the Supreme God-Heavenly Father (El). Though, later called the “One God”, the early Hebrews knew Jehovah (YHWH- Satanael) as only “one of many Elohim.”

They quoted the “Song of Moses” to distinguish between the Most High, Supreme God-Heavenly Father (El) and the “usurper, Jehovah (YHWH- Satanael):
When the Most High (El) gave the nations their heritage,
(When He divided mankind)
He fixed the territories of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God;
But Jehovah’s (YHWH- Satanael) share was his people,
“Jacob” was his inherited possession. (Deuteronomy 32:8)
The Gnostic Christians of the early centuries AD, who preserved the original teachings of Jesus, distinguished between the Heavenly Father (El) and the god of the Hebrew Bible Jehovah (YHWH- Satanael.) Jehovah (YHWH- Satanael) “was not, the “Father/God” revealed by Jesus.”
While the “Hebrew Bible” revealed a “tribal god” (YHWH- Satanael), “the God of Jesus was the universal Supreme Being of all humanity the Most High-Heavenly Father (El)!” The Hebrew god was a god of “fear.” Jesus’ Heavenly Father was a God of “love.” In fact, Jesus “never” referred to the Heavenly Father as Jehovah (YHWH- Satanael.) The Gnostic Gospel of Peter states that the Hebrew were under the delusion that they knew the “Supreme Being,” but they were ignorant of “Him,” and knew only a false god, an impostor (Jehovah, YHWH- Satanael) whose true nature was unknown to them.
The Gnostics based on their thorough study of the Book of Genesis, exposed Jehovah as Satanael the Demiurge, (the creative power of this fallen material world, who is “hostile” to the Supreme Being-Heavenly Father-El.) One Gnostic teacher told how the unknown Father (Heavenly Father- El) made the angels, the archangels, powers and dominions. The world, however, and everything in it, including man, was made by seven particular angels- these angels he described as rebellious feeble artisans.

Saturninus (90-150), who established an important Gnostic community in Syria, taught that the “One True God,” the Heavenly Father-El revealed by Jesus, dwells in the “highest Realm of Light.” Between this transcendent Realm of Light and our finite world exist vast intermediate hierarchies of archangels, angels and spiritual powers; the builders of the universe and the fashioners of man. In foolishness and vanity Satanael (Jehovah YHWH) “rebelled against the Realm of Light,” leading astray a company of angelic beings.

Satanael (Jehovah YHWH) and his minions, contrived “to trap spiritual beings in physical bodies.” Saturninus (90-150), told how Satanael’s (Jehovah YHWH) “creator angels” endeavored to “create physical human bodies,” in the image of spiritual beings. This way they could keep spiritual beings permanently (attached to physical bodies!)
In Saturninus’ (90-150), account of creation, Satanael’s (Jehovah YHWH) creator angels could only form a primitive android. It was necessary to animate it with a spirit being from the upper realms. Satanael (Jehovah YHWH) therefore lured down into his soulless universe a light-spark from the heavenly realms and trapped it within the material body of Adam.

According to Apelles, another early Gnostic teacher, spirit beings were enticed from their place in the “heavenly realms” by the opportunity of physical experience, through the machinations of Satanael’ (Jehovah YHWH) after which he bound them in bodies of flesh. Generation succeeded generation, as the light-sparks took embodiment in human forms. Soon these spiritual beings became so engrossed in the material world that they lost all awareness of “their origin in the Realm of Light.” They found themselves “captured” in the world of the Demiurge-Satanael (Jehovah YHWH.) Indeed, they became slaves to the malevolent “creator angels” and the things of their world.

“The Catholic Church,” by accepting the “Hebrew Bible” in its “literal interpretation,” mistook the tribal god, Jehovah (YHWH-Satanael) for the Supreme Being-Heavenly Father- El. In imitation of old Israel, the Church set about establishing a political and religious empire. Only the Gnostic Christians stood in their way. The Gnostics quickly found themselves viciously denounced as heretics, their sacred books banned and burnt. Thanks to the miraculous discovery of several Gnostic scriptures at Nag Hammadi in Egypt, just fifty years ago, we can gain a better insight into the Gnostic Christian communities of the early centuries AD.

A Gnostic work uncovered at Nag Hammadi called “The Apocalypse of Adam,” is an enlightening account of the creation of Adam and Eve. This book, dating from the first century, may be an attempt to reconstruct the original Genesis.

Adam is said to declare:
“When god had created me out of the earth along with Eve your mother, I went about with her in a glory which she had seen in the aeon from which we had come forth” [Realm of Light]. She taught me a word of knowledge of the eternal God-And we resembled the great eternal angels, for we were higher than the god who had created us and the powers with him, whom we did not know.” Then god/Jehovah (YHWH-Satanael, the Demiurge), the ruler of the aeons and the powers, divided us in wrath. Then we became two aeons. And the glory in our heart(s) left us. After those days the eternal knowledge of the God of Truth (Heavenly Father (El) withdrew from me and your mother, Eve. Since this time we learned about dead things, like men. Then we recognized the god/Jehovah (YHWH-Satanael, the Demiurge) who had created us. For, we were not strangers to his powers. And we “served him in fear and slavery.”

The Gnostics understood that there are many different orders of beings. Their writings refer to numerous hierarchies of spiritual entities, both of “the Light” and of “the Darkness.” These beings not only move in the subtle frequencies, but can also take form in the physical dimension. Like the Essenes and Jesus, the Gnostics recognized the ability of "angels" to embody themselves in the flesh. The fallen angels were most often termed rulers or Archons, and the chief Archon known by various names such as Satanael, Jehovah, Ildabaoth, Sacklas, Satan, Sammael, etc. They possessed the power to create bodies and believed themselves to be ‘gods’. As a consequence of their degraded state, they are hostile to humanity and attempt to prevent mankind from attaining spiritual liberation.

John A. Keel, author of Disneyland of the Gods, and Our Haunted Planet, argues that the late 20th century interest in extraterrestrials, aliens and UFOs is just a modern day attempt to come to terms with the same forces other peoples and cultures once identified as "demons" or "fallen angels":

The “flying saucers” are merely another frame of reference to provide us with acceptable explanations for some of these grotesque events. An invisible phenomenon is always stalking us and manipulating our beliefs. We see only what it chooses to let us see, and we usually react.

The notion that the human body is the work of “malevolent” creator angels remarkably parallels the idea that extraterrestrials engaged in genetic engineering to ‘create’ Homo sapiens. Are we dealing with exactly the same phenomenon? Did the Gnostics know the truth about Man’s real origin and the unseen powers that seek to keep human beings in bondage? Are the malevolent creator angels who, say the Gnostics, stole spiritual beings and trapped them in physical bodies, the same as the extraterrestrial creator gods of Sumeria?

Consider the following observation of a modern Gnostic scholar, Dr. Stephen Hoeller:

The star-angels and other ruling spirits appear as tyrannical, limiting agencies in this Gnostic view. They are usurpers who lord it over humanity and creation in order to enhance their own “self-importance and glory.” It is incumbent upon the “knower” to realize this and to extricate himself from the grasp of these powers whenever possible. The existential predicament of human life lies in the uncomfortable dominance to which these lesser “godlings” subject the spirits of human beings and from “which only the experiential realization of Gnosis can extricate them” (Jung and the Lost Gospels.)

The “creator angels” or Archons are also characterized as terrible powers or forces of negativity and illusion. They are “cosmic Prison Warders” seeking to keep their human charges bound to the Earth. Caught up in the illusions of material existence, Man believes he is just a body and he cannot grasp the truth of his origin. This condition perpetuates spiritual blindness, leaving human kind in captivity to the Prison Warders.

However, the “Gnostics” never ceased from proclaiming that Man’s true being is not his body, and the material world is definitely not his true home. Man is a spiritual being and his purpose is to realize his higher Self (that light-spark exiled in the physical body.) His destiny is to return to the Realm of Light, his true home beyond the stars.

We must be reawakened to our origin, where we came from, how we became trapped on this planet, and how we can achieve liberation. The Gnostics urge us to escape from the trap of the world and open our eyes to our true origin.

Unfortunately, because, of the layers of confusion and the distractions that blind us, we cannot, of our own accord, escape this cycle of slavery. Our only recourse is found in “The Truth and the Truth is Jesus the Christ.”

If we adhere to his teachings and accept his offer of redemption, restoration can and will be ours. For He (and, only He) has paved the way, by “His Passion.”
Dismas Zoathan

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Does anyone here know what TRUE FREEDOM is?






Perception is an illusion that has no basis in reality.
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Lotus.

what is freedom?
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My theory, for what it is worth.
The human race is comprised of both individuals and is a collective being.
It's a Body.
And it's Head is Jesus.
A long time ago the Soles(sic) that comprise the human race
'fell' into Matter and got addicted to it and forgot who they were.. little sparks of light in an infinite sea of light.
So the human race IS Lucifer, the fallen rebellious angel/s.
The reality they fell into is a frequency or "god" a rather mindless mechanical area of Cause and Effect,which is symbolised by Cronos=Tick Tock Time (rather than infinite time"")aka YHWH aka Saturn aka the Demiurge.
Symbolised by a serpent eating it's own tail. Etc etc.
Jesus, Head of the Lucifers,chose to come into Matter, in order to assist other little Lucifers to escape.
Some little Lucifers prefer not to, as it's such fun "down here" making life hell for their brethren.
Unfortunately that is a price, which is the loss of the Sole (sic)at what some call the day of Judgement-which is where the Sole appraises itself.
Some jobs really are Sole destroying!
And Satan, being YHWH, is the rather large mechanical computer awareness that runs this level of existence.
All those zombie mechanoid people you see? They're "his".
As are a set of hyperdimensional beings, known as the Lizzies, the Dracs, the Nagas, demons, djinn etc.
They're kind of advanced programs, who feed off the spiritual energy of living beings... such as humans.
What people forget is the tendency to personify, to frame what happens "out there" in comprehensible human terms.
God is a He, who lives in a Celestial City.
Lucifer was a Man with Wings,who had an argument with the Old Man.
Satan dressed in black leathers, rode a motorbike and was really cool.
YWHW may or may not have had a girlfriend called Asherath.
Etc.
Only when humans realise that they are an infinitesmal part of a much larger being and that any idea of God they might have is naturally limited by (current)human perception will there be any chance of breaking out of the prison.
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I can get on board with some of that...My question is..Where the hell is the instruction book?...LOL The KJV is certainley not it...Earth is a prison, as I fear most programmed matter is...A criminal who has no idea of his crime is a bit harsh though...If im doin the time...what was my crime?



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Oh golly gee...another psuedo-christian.

What a surprise...

:bullshit:
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Oh golly gee...another psuedo-christian.

What a surprise...

bullshit
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Easy to call names-try a bit of contribution!
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Dismas,

excellent post.

the point I must keep in mind while walking in this body is that there is no injustice, this is not a 'jail', the 'bad Gods' are not bad.

I am here because I chose to be here , at this time, in this place, in this body.

Every so often a 'deliverer' is sent to extricate anyone that wishes to end their carnal cycle.

coming soon...!
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also, Dismas,

you would love Robert Monroe,Far Journeys pgs 162-180

he was a brilliant man with one foot out of this dimension.

his experiences confirm the teachings of the gnostics, but provides a broader scope that elimates all duality.
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I can get on board with some of that...My question is..Where the hell is the instruction book?...LOL The KJV is certainley not it...Earth is a prison, as I fear most programmed matter is...A criminal who has no idea of his crime is a bit harsh though...If im doin the time...what was my crime?



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Instruction book?
Geez, I just tend to make things up as I go along.LOL!
Spontaneity has a way of spiking the Machine.
With sometimes hilarious results.
"If it's the government,I'm agin it" is an Irish folksaying.
Have you considered that you may not in fact be a criminal, but someone who tunneled their way into prison with the idea of assisting in a prison break?
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Let me dust this off and drop it in here for consideration.

Cheers,

Dismas

Dark Gods

The notion that humankind was created by some type of extraterrestrial genetic manipulation, according to some researchers, is the actual basis of the creation stories found in the ancient “Sumerian Records” and the later “Hebrew Scriptures.” This idea is set out in detail in the work of Israeli scholar Zecharia Sitchin, who uses the Sumerian records to argue that modern “Homo sapiens” were created by beings from outer space called "Nefilim". He believes that the Nefilim created humans by genetically modifying “Homo erectus,” then mated with them and argued over what to do with them.

In 1989 Zecharia Sitchin's radical hypothesis was taken a major step further with the publication of the book The Gods of Eden, appropriately subtitled: “The chilling truth about extraterrestrial infiltration - and the conspiracy to keep humankind in chains.” The author, a Californian lawyer going by the nom de plume "William Bramley" brought together all the major themes found in earlier ‘ancient astronaut’ research and merged them with a unique ‘conspiracy view of history.’ Bramley’s thesis, shocking and confronting to nearly all established popular beliefs, is:

Human beings appear to be a “slave race” breeding on an “isolated planet” in a “small galaxy.” As such, the human race was once a source of labor for an “extraterrestrial civilization” (and still remains a possession today.) To keep control over its possession and to maintain Earth as something of a prison, the “extraterrestrial overlords”, have bred a never-ending conflict between the various races of human beings, has promoted spiritual confusion, and has erected on Earth, conditions of unremitting physical hardship. This situation has existed for thousands of years and it continues today.

(The Gods of Eden)

The idea that human kind is the product of “genetic engineering” carried out by extraterrestrials from outside our tiny planet challenges both Darwinian evolution and creationism. Have the dogmas of science and religion blinded us to the truth of our origins?

The Christian church proclaims that a supposedly all-knowing, all-powerful ‘God’ created our first parents from ‘mud’, in much the same way as potter molds clay. Only when Adam and Eve broke their Creator's rules were they subject to pain, sickness and death. By disobeying this ‘God’, they also condemned their offspring — all humanity — to be ‘sinners’. Christianity derives the unfortunate tale of Adam and Eve from Genesis, the first book of the Hebrew Bible (or Old Testament.)

If we interpret the Bible literally, regarding it as an “infallible historical document,” we are introduced to a creator ‘God’ (Jehovah/Yahweh) who, by his own admission, is jealous, wrathful and full of vengeance. The “fear” of the "Lord" (Jehovah/Yahweh) is constantly stressed throughout the Old Testament. He is expected to reward those who worship him and are not delinquent in their observance of the ritual law, by gratifying their worldly desires for material gains and worldly power. One cannot help but note that this cruel, bloodthirsty, and selfish ‘God’ bears a striking resemblance to the “capricious” gods of Sumeria.

This all too human ‘God’, according to Genesis, took a walk in the "cool of the day," unaware that his prize humans had spoiled his creation by eating the ‘forbidden fruit’. After this, having chased the first human couple out of Paradise, he threatens their descendants with his wrath (until the day when he drowned the whole world in a flood.)

This ‘God’ (Jehovah/Yahweh) as the historian Gibbon observed in ,”The Decline and fall of the Roman Empire,” is a "being, liable to passion and error, capricious in his favor, implacable in his resentment, meanly jealous of his superstitious worship, and confining his partial providence to a single people (Jews) and to this transitory life."

Research indicates that the Hebrew Bible, far from being an infallible historical text authored by the “Supreme Being,” is a heavily revised compilation of at least two entirely separate works. Fused together in the Book of Genesis are two separate works known to scholars as the northern "E" and southern "J" traditions, which are supplemented by additional revisions and inserts. In "E" (the Elohist passages) resides the pre-Judeans tradition of the northern peoples who exalted the Most-High God, El and the subordinate Elohim (Shining Ones). The "J" or "Jehovist" passages describe a totally alien entity, the evil and contending Jehovah (YHWH), the "Lord".

According to Max J. Dimont, in Jews, God and History:” In the 5th century B.C. Jewish priests combined portions of the ‘J’ and ‘E’ documents, adding a little handiwork of their own (known as the pious fraud), which are referred to as the ‘JE’ documents, since “God” in these passages is referred to as ‘Jehovah Elohim’ (translated as ‘Lord God’)."
This is why within the Bible we encounter “contradictory and conflicting” images of the Supreme God. We find Jehovah, a tribal god, “masquerading as the Supreme Being.” The first chapters of Genesis describe an awesome struggle between two rival powers. There is the “Most High God and His Elohim” who create through their own manifest spirit; and “the malevolent Lord God, Jehovah,” who created a “synthetic being” composed of dirt. “Jehovah” is actually “Satanael” (a “Shining One,” who rose in revolt against the Supreme God-Heavenly Father (El). Though, later called the “One God”, the early Hebrews knew Jehovah (YHWH- Satanael) as only “one of many Elohim.”

They quoted the “Song of Moses” to distinguish between the Most High, Supreme God-Heavenly Father (El) and the “usurper, Jehovah (YHWH- Satanael):
When the Most High (El) gave the nations their heritage,
(When He divided mankind)
He fixed the territories of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God;
But Jehovah’s (YHWH- Satanael) share was his people,
“Jacob” was his inherited possession. (Deuteronomy 32:8)
The Gnostic Christians of the early centuries AD, who preserved the original teachings of Jesus, distinguished between the Heavenly Father (El) and the god of the Hebrew Bible Jehovah (YHWH- Satanael.) Jehovah (YHWH- Satanael) “was not, the “Father/God” revealed by Jesus.”
While the “Hebrew Bible” revealed a “tribal god” (YHWH- Satanael), “the God of Jesus was the universal Supreme Being of all humanity the Most High-Heavenly Father (El)!” The Hebrew god was a god of “fear.” Jesus’ Heavenly Father was a God of “love.” In fact, Jesus “never” referred to the Heavenly Father as Jehovah (YHWH- Satanael.) The Gnostic Gospel of Peter states that the Hebrew were under the delusion that they knew the “Supreme Being,” but they were ignorant of “Him,” and knew only a false god, an impostor (Jehovah, YHWH- Satanael) whose true nature was unknown to them.
The Gnostics based on their thorough study of the Book of Genesis, exposed Jehovah as Satanael the Demiurge, (the creative power of this fallen material world, who is “hostile” to the Supreme Being-Heavenly Father-El.) One Gnostic teacher told how the unknown Father (Heavenly Father- El) made the angels, the archangels, powers and dominions. The world, however, and everything in it, including man, was made by seven particular angels- these angels he described as rebellious feeble artisans.

Saturninus (90-150), who established an important Gnostic community in Syria, taught that the “One True God,” the Heavenly Father-El revealed by Jesus, dwells in the “highest Realm of Light.” Between this transcendent Realm of Light and our finite world exist vast intermediate hierarchies of archangels, angels and spiritual powers; the builders of the universe and the fashioners of man. In foolishness and vanity Satanael (Jehovah YHWH) “rebelled against the Realm of Light,” leading astray a company of angelic beings.

Satanael (Jehovah YHWH) and his minions, contrived “to trap spiritual beings in physical bodies.” Saturninus (90-150), told how Satanael’s (Jehovah YHWH) “creator angels” endeavored to “create physical human bodies,” in the image of spiritual beings. This way they could keep spiritual beings permanently (attached to physical bodies!)
In Saturninus’ (90-150), account of creation, Satanael’s (Jehovah YHWH) creator angels could only form a primitive android. It was necessary to animate it with a spirit being from the upper realms. Satanael (Jehovah YHWH) therefore lured down into his soulless universe a light-spark from the heavenly realms and trapped it within the material body of Adam.

According to Apelles, another early Gnostic teacher, spirit beings were enticed from their place in the “heavenly realms” by the opportunity of physical experience, through the machinations of Satanael’ (Jehovah YHWH) after which he bound them in bodies of flesh. Generation succeeded generation, as the light-sparks took embodiment in human forms. Soon these spiritual beings became so engrossed in the material world that they lost all awareness of “their origin in the Realm of Light.” They found themselves “captured” in the world of the Demiurge-Satanael (Jehovah YHWH.) Indeed, they became slaves to the malevolent “creator angels” and the things of their world.

“The Catholic Church,” by accepting the “Hebrew Bible” in its “literal interpretation,” mistook the tribal god, Jehovah (YHWH-Satanael) for the Supreme Being-Heavenly Father- El. In imitation of old Israel, the Church set about establishing a political and religious empire. Only the Gnostic Christians stood in their way. The Gnostics quickly found themselves viciously denounced as heretics, their sacred books banned and burnt. Thanks to the miraculous discovery of several Gnostic scriptures at Nag Hammadi in Egypt, just fifty years ago, we can gain a better insight into the Gnostic Christian communities of the early centuries AD.

A Gnostic work uncovered at Nag Hammadi called “The Apocalypse of Adam,” is an enlightening account of the creation of Adam and Eve. This book, dating from the first century, may be an attempt to reconstruct the original Genesis.

Adam is said to declare:
“When god had created me out of the earth along with Eve your mother, I went about with her in a glory which she had seen in the aeon from which we had come forth” [Realm of Light]. She taught me a word of knowledge of the eternal God-And we resembled the great eternal angels, for we were higher than the god who had created us and the powers with him, whom we did not know.” Then god/Jehovah (YHWH-Satanael, the Demiurge), the ruler of the aeons and the powers, divided us in wrath. Then we became two aeons. And the glory in our heart(s) left us. After those days the eternal knowledge of the God of Truth (Heavenly Father (El) withdrew from me and your mother, Eve. Since this time we learned about dead things, like men. Then we recognized the god/Jehovah (YHWH-Satanael, the Demiurge) who had created us. For, we were not strangers to his powers. And we “served him in fear and slavery.”

The Gnostics understood that there are many different orders of beings. Their writings refer to numerous hierarchies of spiritual entities, both of “the Light” and of “the Darkness.” These beings not only move in the subtle frequencies, but can also take form in the physical dimension. Like the Essenes and Jesus, the Gnostics recognized the ability of "angels" to embody themselves in the flesh. The fallen angels were most often termed rulers or Archons, and the chief Archon known by various names such as Satanael, Jehovah, Ildabaoth, Sacklas, Satan, Sammael, etc. They possessed the power to create bodies and believed themselves to be ‘gods’. As a consequence of their degraded state, they are hostile to humanity and attempt to prevent mankind from attaining spiritual liberation.

John A. Keel, author of Disneyland of the Gods, and Our Haunted Planet, argues that the late 20th century interest in extraterrestrials, aliens and UFOs is just a modern day attempt to come to terms with the same forces other peoples and cultures once identified as "demons" or "fallen angels":

The “flying saucers” are merely another frame of reference to provide us with acceptable explanations for some of these grotesque events. An invisible phenomenon is always stalking us and manipulating our beliefs. We see only what it chooses to let us see, and we usually react.

The notion that the human body is the work of “malevolent” creator angels remarkably parallels the idea that extraterrestrials engaged in genetic engineering to ‘create’ Homo sapiens. Are we dealing with exactly the same phenomenon? Did the Gnostics know the truth about Man’s real origin and the unseen powers that seek to keep human beings in bondage? Are the malevolent creator angels who, say the Gnostics, stole spiritual beings and trapped them in physical bodies, the same as the extraterrestrial creator gods of Sumeria?

Consider the following observation of a modern Gnostic scholar, Dr. Stephen Hoeller:

The star-angels and other ruling spirits appear as tyrannical, limiting agencies in this Gnostic view. They are usurpers who lord it over humanity and creation in order to enhance their own “self-importance and glory.” It is incumbent upon the “knower” to realize this and to extricate himself from the grasp of these powers whenever possible. The existential predicament of human life lies in the uncomfortable dominance to which these lesser “godlings” subject the spirits of human beings and from “which only the experiential realization of Gnosis can extricate them” (Jung and the Lost Gospels.)

The “creator angels” or Archons are also characterized as terrible powers or forces of negativity and illusion. They are “cosmic Prison Warders” seeking to keep their human charges bound to the Earth. Caught up in the illusions of material existence, Man believes he is just a body and he cannot grasp the truth of his origin. This condition perpetuates spiritual blindness, leaving human kind in captivity to the Prison Warders.

However, the “Gnostics” never ceased from proclaiming that Man’s true being is not his body, and the material world is definitely not his true home. Man is a spiritual being and his purpose is to realize his higher Self (that light-spark exiled in the physical body.) His destiny is to return to the Realm of Light, his true home beyond the stars.

We must be reawakened to our origin, where we came from, how we became trapped on this planet, and how we can achieve liberation. The Gnostics urge us to escape from the trap of the world and open our eyes to our true origin.

Unfortunately, because, of the layers of confusion and the distractions that blind us, we cannot, of our own accord, escape this cycle of slavery. Our only recourse is found in “The Truth and the Truth is Jesus the Christ.”

If we adhere to his teachings and accept his offer of redemption, restoration can and will be ours. For He (and, only He) has paved the way, by “His Passion.”
 Quoting: Dismas



Well done..I have the same research material, and come to the same conclusions. I wanted to keep it as simple as possible before introducing it. Nothing beats simplicity. Its the simple shit that stumps them every time...LOL


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