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THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH VERY SOON!!!

 
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In regards to the wicked, this is what the Lord Himself has said:

Psalm 37:13
The LORD shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.

Psalm 2:4
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.

Psalm 59:8
But thou, O LORD, shalt laugh at them; thou shalt have all the heathen in derision.


Quoting Wingedlion:
But all the wicked people that Joshua conquered deserved everything that they got, just as you are going to get what you deserve too. And I kinda think that is funny.
(emphasis mine)

To whom does it fall, my friend, to determine whether someone is "wicked" and what, exactly, they deserve?


Ecclesiastes 3:17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

And eventually, it will fall to us - when we return, perfected.

Malachi 3:17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.

Malachi 3:18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

Right now, our job is to witness for Christ and do good works which he has prepared for us in advance.





Actually my job is to be obedient to the calling that I was given to me by the Lord God, and not to be obedient to other peoples ideas as to what the will of God is for me. I trust God, I don't trust you.
 Quoting: wingedlion/whiterider 679131




Wingdelion,
your job as a child of God is to obey God just as the aposles did in the early church, it is no different today...
JESUS CHRIST IS THE SAME YESTERDAY TODAY AND FOREVER...
YOU SEEM SO OBSESS WITH FIGTHING DEMONS INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING JESUS CHRIST.
YOUR BEHAVIOR ARE NOT FOLLOWING JESUS CHRIST TEACHINGS, TO WORK FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
ITS MORE LIKE THE ENEMY WHO IS INFLUENCING YOU!!!
sad...
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In regards to the wicked, this is what the Lord Himself has said:

Psalm 37:13
The LORD shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.

Psalm 2:4
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.

Psalm 59:8
But thou, O LORD, shalt laugh at them; thou shalt have all the heathen in derision.


Quoting Wingedlion:
But all the wicked people that Joshua conquered deserved everything that they got, just as you are going to get what you deserve too. And I kinda think that is funny.
(emphasis mine)

To whom does it fall, my friend, to determine whether someone is "wicked" and what, exactly, they deserve?


Ecclesiastes 3:17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

And eventually, it will fall to us - when we return, perfected.

Malachi 3:17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.

Malachi 3:18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

Right now, our job is to witness for Christ and do good works which he has prepared for us in advance.





Actually my job is to be obedient to the calling that I was given to me by the Lord God, and not to be obedient to other peoples ideas as to what the will of God is for me. I trust God, I don't trust you.




Wingdelion,
your job as a child of God is to obey God just as the aposles did in the early church, it is no different today...
JESUS CHRIST IS THE SAME YESTERDAY TODAY AND FOREVER...
YOU SEEM SO OBSESS WITH FIGTHING DEMONS INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING JESUS CHRIST.
YOUR BEHAVIOR ARE NOT FOLLOWING JESUS CHRIST TEACHINGS, TO WORK FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
ITS MORE LIKE THE ENEMY WHO IS INFLUENCING YOU!!!
sad...
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is Coming Soon!!! 679241




I really could care less about what you think that I should do, because I don't answer to you. You are not my judge, and you did not issue my calling, and you are not the Holy Spirit, and finally you are not qualified to make any kind of judgment about me.

Spiritual warfare is my calling and to neglect that would be disobedience to the Lord. I spent 30+ years preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ and have preached to thousands in some of the largest churches in America. I was a respected revivalist with an impressive list of credentials and associates who are the Leaders of many famous institutions.

You, like your co-hort, are doing more to defend the Devil and spread false doctrine than you are doing any gospel preaching, so take the beam out of your own eye before you try to take the speck out of mine. Mind your own business and let the Lord deal with me (if you actually trust Him to do so) and let me take care of my own life...OK? You are not the Holy Spirit so stop trying to do His job.
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Something in my very being is telling me also something on a Godly GRAND scale is about to occur.
I don`t exactly clearly know.
Just that I do desire to partake of that which is Holy good.
It may possibly be my greatest fear in my life pertains to this "event" that it would utterly crush me to be "left behind".

To those left behind oh WHOA to you oh Earth and sea,for the devil sends his beast with wrath for he knows the time is short.

Have faith my brothers and sisters from other mommiez and misterz,for Victory has already been declared!
Amen,
Come quickly Lord Jesus,
Save us from ourselves!
We need it!
hf
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hf
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To whom does it fall, my friend, to determine whether someone is "wicked" and what, exactly, they deserve?
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When the Bible speaks of "the wicked," it is referring to the children of the Devil, the Nephilim that are the offspring of the fallen angels and human women. These were the same people that God ordered Joshua and all his army to annihilate from off of the face of the Earth, men, women, and children. As we know, they failed to complete the job, and so there exists even today quite a big population of the Nephilim. They weren't all completed killed off as they should have been.

To answer your question directly, how do we determine whether someone is wicked? The answer is simple. We have the mind of Christ, or at least we should if "we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God." Discernment plays a big role here too, the gift of discernment. A lot of times I can discern right away whether someone is Nephilim or not, whether meeting them face to face or even here on this forum. It is that still, small voice in the "intuition of your conscience," as Wingedlion likes to term it. Also, remember Jesus, when confronting the Pharisees in John 8:44, also discerned that they were Nephilim when He said, "Ye are of your father the devil..."

Now, the Nephilim CAN be saved. It is not impossible, but extremely difficult. They have a terrible problem with arrogance and, as the Bible said, their "thoughts are only on evil continuously." But I believe there will be some who will be saved. However, they are slated for destruction, just as we all are if our soul isn't saved through Jesus Christ.



Right now, our job is to witness for Christ and do good works which he has prepared for us in advance.
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Wingedlion gave an excellent response to this statement, so I'll just ditto what he said.
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To whom does it fall, my friend, to determine whether someone is "wicked" and what, exactly, they deserve?


When the Bible speaks of "the wicked," it is referring to the children of the Devil, the Nephilim that are the offspring of the fallen angels and human women. These were the same people that God ordered Joshua and all his army to annihilate from off of the face of the Earth, men, women, and children. As we know, they failed to complete the job, and so there exists even today quite a big population of the Nephilim. They weren't all completed killed off as they should have been.

To answer your question directly, how do we determine whether someone is wicked? The answer is simple. We have the mind of Christ, or at least we should if "we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God." Discernment plays a big role here too, the gift of discernment. A lot of times I can discern right away whether someone is Nephilim or not, whether meeting them face to face or even here on this forum. It is that still, small voice in the "intuition of your conscience," as Wingedlion likes to term it. Also, remember Jesus, when confronting the Pharisees in John 8:44, also discerned that they were Nephilim when He said, "Ye are of your father the devil..."

Now, the Nephilim CAN be saved. It is not impossible, but extremely difficult. They have a terrible problem with arrogance and, as the Bible said, their "thoughts are only on evil continuously." But I believe there will be some who will be saved. However, they are slated for destruction, just as we all are if our soul isn't saved through Jesus Christ.




Right now, our job is to witness for Christ and do good works which he has prepared for us in advance.


Wingedlion gave an excellent response to this statement, so I'll just ditto what he said.
 Quoting: ThreshingSword


Below a certain individual vibratory frequency, the individual is a being little evolved, reason why it does not need that it judges somebody it, because the same has been judged.
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To whom does it fall, my friend, to determine whether someone is "wicked" and what, exactly, they deserve?


When the Bible speaks of "the wicked," it is referring to the children of the Devil, the Nephilim that are the offspring of the fallen angels and human women. These were the same people that God ordered Joshua and all his army to annihilate from off of the face of the Earth, men, women, and children. As we know, they failed to complete the job, and so there exists even today quite a big population of the Nephilim. They weren't all completed killed off as they should have been.

To answer your question directly, how do we determine whether someone is wicked? The answer is simple. We have the mind of Christ, or at least we should if "we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God." Discernment plays a big role here too, the gift of discernment. A lot of times I can discern right away whether someone is Nephilim or not, whether meeting them face to face or even here on this forum. It is that still, small voice in the "intuition of your conscience," as Wingedlion likes to term it. Also, remember Jesus, when confronting the Pharisees in John 8:44, also discerned that they were Nephilim when He said, "Ye are of your father the devil..."

Now, the Nephilim CAN be saved. It is not impossible, but extremely difficult. They have a terrible problem with arrogance and, as the Bible said, their "thoughts are only on evil continuously." But I believe there will be some who will be saved. However, they are slated for destruction, just as we all are if our soul isn't saved through Jesus Christ.




Right now, our job is to witness for Christ and do good works which he has prepared for us in advance.


Wingedlion gave an excellent response to this statement, so I'll just ditto what he said.
 Quoting: ThreshingSword



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Actually my job is to be obedient to the calling that I was given to me by the Lord God, and not to be obedient to other peoples ideas as to what the will of God is for me. I trust God, I don't trust you.
 Quoting: wingedlion/whiterider 679131


I feel you my brother and I cast no judgment upon you only blessings and my personal thought in reflection.
Tho has said of thy own heart " I trust God, I don't trust you."

I say this from mine own heart.
I trust God, I don't trust any mortal man,including MYSELF.

Why so you may ask??

The answer is thusly..

I earnestly seek to follow the Lord in all his ways but in my folly of being in sin,how can I not doubt my self until such time I am no longer of sin.
Oh to be fully reborn of pure spirit,cast off the flesh and blood and sin,to be in the eternal pure embodiment.
Too look upon his face and He call I Brother.
Until that moment occurs I shall have a shadow of doubt in all things I do for I know I am not HIM tho I earnestly desire to be.

hf
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In regards to the wicked, this is what the Lord Himself has said:

Psalm 37:13
The LORD shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.

Psalm 2:4
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.

Psalm 59:8
But thou, O LORD, shalt laugh at them; thou shalt have all the heathen in derision.


Quoting Wingedlion:
But all the wicked people that Joshua conquered deserved everything that they got, just as you are going to get what you deserve too. And I kinda think that is funny.
(emphasis mine)

To whom does it fall, my friend, to determine whether someone is "wicked" and what, exactly, they deserve?


Ecclesiastes 3:17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

And eventually, it will fall to us - when we return, perfected.

Malachi 3:17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.

Malachi 3:18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

Right now, our job is to witness for Christ and do good works which he has prepared for us in advance.





Actually my job is to be obedient to the calling that I was given to me by the Lord God, and not to be obedient to other peoples ideas as to what the will of God is for me. I trust God, I don't trust you.




Wingdelion,
your job as a child of God is to obey God just as the aposles did in the early church, it is no different today...
JESUS CHRIST IS THE SAME YESTERDAY TODAY AND FOREVER...
YOU SEEM SO OBSESS WITH FIGTHING DEMONS INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING JESUS CHRIST.
YOUR BEHAVIOR ARE NOT FOLLOWING JESUS CHRIST TEACHINGS, TO WORK FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
ITS MORE LIKE THE ENEMY WHO IS INFLUENCING YOU!!!
sad...




I really could care less about what you think that I should do, because I don't answer to you. You are not my judge, and you did not issue my calling, and you are not the Holy Spirit, and finally you are not qualified to make any kind of judgment about me.

Spiritual warfare is my calling and to neglect that would be disobedience to the Lord. I spent 30+ years preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ and have preached to thousands in some of the largest churches in America. I was a respected revivalist with an impressive list of credentials and associates who are the Leaders of many famous institutions.

You, like your co-hort, are doing more to defend the Devil and spread false doctrine than you are doing any gospel preaching, so take the beam out of your own eye before you try to take the speck out of mine. Mind your own business and let the Lord deal with me (if you actually trust Him to do so) and let me take care of my own life...OK? You are not the Holy Spirit so stop trying to do His job.
 Quoting: wingedlion/whiterider 679282


Wingelion,
to touchy for you, the HOLY SPIRIT USES OTHERS AS little INSTRUMENTS, to proclaim God`s truth.
said what i had to say, you have so much anger and are on the defensive: IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF...
good luck to you!! peace
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bumpRAPTURE VERY SOON!!!
MANY SIGNS ARE IN PLACE!!
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In regards to the wicked, this is what the Lord Himself has said:

Psalm 37:13
The LORD shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.

Psalm 2:4
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.

Psalm 59:8
But thou, O LORD, shalt laugh at them; thou shalt have all the heathen in derision.


Quoting Wingedlion:
But all the wicked people that Joshua conquered deserved everything that they got, just as you are going to get what you deserve too. And I kinda think that is funny.
(emphasis mine)

To whom does it fall, my friend, to determine whether someone is "wicked" and what, exactly, they deserve?


Ecclesiastes 3:17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

And eventually, it will fall to us - when we return, perfected.

Malachi 3:17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.

Malachi 3:18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

Right now, our job is to witness for Christ and do good works which he has prepared for us in advance.





Actually my job is to be obedient to the calling that I was given to me by the Lord God, and not to be obedient to other peoples ideas as to what the will of God is for me. I trust God, I don't trust you.




Wingdelion,
your job as a child of God is to obey God just as the aposles did in the early church, it is no different today...
JESUS CHRIST IS THE SAME YESTERDAY TODAY AND FOREVER...
YOU SEEM SO OBSESS WITH FIGTHING DEMONS INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING JESUS CHRIST.
YOUR BEHAVIOR ARE NOT FOLLOWING JESUS CHRIST TEACHINGS, TO WORK FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
ITS MORE LIKE THE ENEMY WHO IS INFLUENCING YOU!!!
sad...




I really could care less about what you think that I should do, because I don't answer to you. You are not my judge, and you did not issue my calling, and you are not the Holy Spirit, and finally you are not qualified to make any kind of judgment about me.

Spiritual warfare is my calling and to neglect that would be disobedience to the Lord. I spent 30+ years preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ and have preached to thousands in some of the largest churches in America. I was a respected revivalist with an impressive list of credentials and associates who are the Leaders of many famous institutions.

You, like your co-hort, are doing more to defend the Devil and spread false doctrine than you are doing any gospel preaching, so take the beam out of your own eye before you try to take the speck out of mine. Mind your own business and let the Lord deal with me (if you actually trust Him to do so) and let me take care of my own life...OK? You are not the Holy Spirit so stop trying to do His job.


Wingelion,
to touchy for you, the HOLY SPIRIT USES OTHERS AS little INSTRUMENTS, to proclaim God`s truth.
said what i had to say, you have so much anger and are on the defensive: IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF...
good luck to you!! peace
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Well you were the one who was stirring up the "stuff" so to speak and the one with the broken caps lock, I'm just "keepin' it real".

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the caps on had nothing to do with it i type many times in caps!!!
YOU ARE SPREADING EVIL INSTEAD OD KINDNESS WITH YOUR LAST GREEN PICTURE STIRING...
i pray for you:
"Father forgive them for they know not what they do."
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very soon!!
at the same time of SUDDEN DESTRUCTION WAR...
THE RAPTURE WILL OCCUR...
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Brothers,

we can debate on what on the words that God ahs given us. The Bottom Line is that he will protect the righteous. That I think we can all agree on. How he chooses to to do it is of coarse up to Our Father.

There is soooo much in this world that we still need to do. To preach the ways of God to many who for some reason or another will not listen. It's to the point that I personally get angry (my sin) when I hear Christians being called killers, ignorant, illogical, xxxxphobes and our God being called worse.

How I wish I could counted in that elite 144,000 in heaven. I wish I could be walking down streets in New York reaching out to unbelievers, but will be locked up right now. They will say that you are "offending" them when you ask if they do believe that the Son of God died for their sins. They will listen to demonic messages like gay rights and abortionists.

The persecutors are here now. The harvest is about to happen. How it goes is up to the Heavenly Father and it is our responsibility to give the Good News no matter what it takes
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Think of the last days as a trial with God as the judge and God's wrath being poured out on the world as a sentence/punishment. The word "tribulation" means "trial".

According to God's own Law, such a sentence cannot be carried out without the testimony of two witnesses. The Book of Revelation names these two witnesses, one is 2 olive trees and the other is 2 candlesticks. In other words, 2 distinct groups of people are the 2 witnesses, not 2 people, but 2 groups.

For 1260 days (3 and a half prophetic years) these 2 groups will mourn and testify. When they've finished their testimony, the beast will make war with them, overcome them, and kill them, and the world will rejoice over their deaths.

Then after 3 and a half "days', which I believe to be another 3 and a half years (there are references in the Bible to a day = a year), the 2 witnesses will be resurrected from the dead and meet the Lord in the air (the rapture of the righteous dead).

The 2 olive trees and the 2 candlesticks must be here for the tribulation to serve the vital function of being the 2 witnesses. They will not be raptured prior to the tribulation. They can't be. If you are a member of one of these two groups, there will be no "get out of jail free" rapture for you.

Read Rev. 11 then read Rev. 13 and pay close attention to the 7th verse of each chapter. It will tell you who one of the two witnesses is.
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Think of the last days as a trial with God as the judge and God's wrath being poured out on the world as a sentence/punishment. The word "tribulation" means "trial".

According to God's own Law, such a sentence cannot be carried out without the testimony of two witnesses. The Book of Revelation names these two witnesses, one is 2 olive trees and the other is 2 candlesticks. In other words, 2 distinct groups of people are the 2 witnesses, not 2 people, but 2 groups.

For 1260 days (3 and a half prophetic years) these 2 groups will mourn and testify. When they've finished their testimony, the beast will make war with them, overcome them, and kill them, and the world will rejoice over their deaths.

Then after 3 and a half "days', which I believe to be another 3 and a half years (there are references in the Bible to a day = a year), the 2 witnesses will be resurrected from the dead and meet the Lord in the air (the rapture of the righteous dead).

The 2 olive trees and the 2 candlesticks must be here for the tribulation to serve the vital function of being the 2 witnesses. They will not be raptured prior to the tribulation. They can't be. If you are a member of one of these two groups, there will be no "get out of jail free" rapture for you.

Read Rev. 11 then read Rev. 13 and pay close attention to the 7th verse of each chapter. It will tell you who one of the two witnesses is.
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That's interesting. Honestly, I've never been convinced in my mind who the two witnesses are. I'm going to have to pray about this one for the Lord to show me if it's the truth. It may be that it's just a nonissue for me, that I'll be long gone by the time they come on the scene. After all, the generation that lives to see the budding of the fig tree hasn't even happened yet, and when that happens, a generation is, what, 50 or 70 years according to the Bible. I think we're a ways off anyway.
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Think of the last days as a trial with God as the judge and God's wrath being poured out on the world as a sentence/punishment. The word "tribulation" means "trial".

According to God's own Law, such a sentence cannot be carried out without the testimony of two witnesses. The Book of Revelation names these two witnesses, one is 2 olive trees and the other is 2 candlesticks. In other words, 2 distinct groups of people are the 2 witnesses, not 2 people, but 2 groups.

For 1260 days (3 and a half prophetic years) these 2 groups will mourn and testify. When they've finished their testimony, the beast will make war with them, overcome them, and kill them, and the world will rejoice over their deaths.

Then after 3 and a half "days', which I believe to be another 3 and a half years (there are references in the Bible to a day = a year), the 2 witnesses will be resurrected from the dead and meet the Lord in the air (the rapture of the righteous dead).

The 2 olive trees and the 2 candlesticks must be here for the tribulation to serve the vital function of being the 2 witnesses. They will not be raptured prior to the tribulation. They can't be. If you are a member of one of these two groups, there will be no "get out of jail free" rapture for you.

Read Rev. 11 then read Rev. 13 and pay close attention to the 7th verse of each chapter. It will tell you who one of the two witnesses is.



That's interesting. Honestly, I've never been convinced in my mind who the two witnesses are. I'm going to have to pray about this one for the Lord to show me if it's the truth. It may be that it's just a nonissue for me, that I'll be long gone by the time they come on the scene. After all, the generation that lives to see the budding of the fig tree hasn't even happened yet, and when that happens, a generation is, what, 50 or 70 years according to the Bible. I think we're a ways off anyway.
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Excellent point, we are a long way off from this occurring and most of us will be dead and gone by then. There are many prophesies to be fulfilled, here are a few of them:

1. The harvest of the tares/fall of Mystery Babylon the Great (NWO)Jer.50.51; Matt 13:24-43

2. The Latter day rain of the Holy Spirit. Joel 2:23

3. The true budding of the fig tree.Ezek.34:23-26

4. The sealing of the 144,000 male Jewish witnesses (also called the firstfruits of the Kingdom)Rev.7

5. The transfere of the wealth of the wicked to the righteous. (have to look it up)

6. The appearance of Elijah, who will instruct the 144,000 witnesses to evangelize the whole world with the "gospel of the Kingdom". Mal.4:5,6

These are but a few of many that will need to be fulfilled before the "last generation" will be around to see the coming of the Lord to take possession of the throne of David; and Oh yeah, the throne of David must be established first and the people of the covenant take possession of the whole world before the Anti-Christ comes in with flatteries to take it from them for a short three and half years before Christ destroys him.


You cannot understand New Testament prophecy without first understanding Old Testament prophecy.
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Think of the last days as a trial with God as the judge and God's wrath being poured out on the world as a sentence/punishment. The word "tribulation" means "trial".

According to God's own Law, such a sentence cannot be carried out without the testimony of two witnesses. The Book of Revelation names these two witnesses, one is 2 olive trees and the other is 2 candlesticks. In other words, 2 distinct groups of people are the 2 witnesses, not 2 people, but 2 groups.

For 1260 days (3 and a half prophetic years) these 2 groups will mourn and testify. When they've finished their testimony, the beast will make war with them, overcome them, and kill them, and the world will rejoice over their deaths.

Then after 3 and a half "days', which I believe to be another 3 and a half years (there are references in the Bible to a day = a year), the 2 witnesses will be resurrected from the dead and meet the Lord in the air (the rapture of the righteous dead).

The 2 olive trees and the 2 candlesticks must be here for the tribulation to serve the vital function of being the 2 witnesses. They will not be raptured prior to the tribulation. They can't be. If you are a member of one of these two groups, there will be no "get out of jail free" rapture for you.

Read Rev. 11 then read Rev. 13 and pay close attention to the 7th verse of each chapter. It will tell you who one of the two witnesses is.
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the 2 witnesses are the houses of israel and judah. biblical proof you say?

Isaiah 43:1,10-12,

1But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.

10Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

11I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

12I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.


so the purposes of the witnesses are to wake up the descendants of israel(reuben, simeon, dan, naphtali, gad, asher, issachar, joseph) and judah(judah, benjamin, levi) and no other people and begin to prepare them for the rulership of the earth when Jeusu returns. but you will need 2 leaders for each group. without a leader then there will be chaos. so the 2 witnesses are 2 individuals that will lead both the houses of israel and judah.
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Think of the last days as a trial with God as the judge and God's wrath being poured out on the world as a sentence/punishment. The word "tribulation" means "trial".

According to God's own Law, such a sentence cannot be carried out without the testimony of two witnesses. The Book of Revelation names these two witnesses, one is 2 olive trees and the other is 2 candlesticks. In other words, 2 distinct groups of people are the 2 witnesses, not 2 people, but 2 groups.

For 1260 days (3 and a half prophetic years) these 2 groups will mourn and testify. When they've finished their testimony, the beast will make war with them, overcome them, and kill them, and the world will rejoice over their deaths.

Then after 3 and a half "days', which I believe to be another 3 and a half years (there are references in the Bible to a day = a year), the 2 witnesses will be resurrected from the dead and meet the Lord in the air (the rapture of the righteous dead).

The 2 olive trees and the 2 candlesticks must be here for the tribulation to serve the vital function of being the 2 witnesses. They will not be raptured prior to the tribulation. They can't be. If you are a member of one of these two groups, there will be no "get out of jail free" rapture for you.

Read Rev. 11 then read Rev. 13 and pay close attention to the 7th verse of each chapter. It will tell you who one of the two witnesses is.



the 2 witnesses are the houses of israel and judah. biblical proof you say?

Isaiah 43:1,10-12,

1But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.

10Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

11I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

12I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.


so the purposes of the witnesses are to wake up the descendants of israel(reuben, simeon, dan, naphtali, gad, asher, issachar, joseph) and judah(judah, benjamin, levi) and no other people and begin to prepare them for the rulership of the earth when Jeusu returns. but you will need 2 leaders for each group. without a leader then there will be chaos. so the 2 witnesses are 2 individuals that will lead both the houses of israel and judah.
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I'm not disagreeing with you but I am still unconvinced, and here is the reason why: Right now, revelation or complete revelation of the identity of the "Two Witnesses" has not been made, so anything before that time, is only speculation and anyones good guess. Certain truths are hidden from revelation until appointed times, and the time to identify the two witnesses is not yet here, which tells me it is still a far off to some extent.

There are a lot of good guesses out there, Moses and Elijah are one of many. When Jesus was showing the promise of the Kingdom at the Mount of transfiguration, there was Christ in the middle with Moses and Elijah at the other ends. Plus, the scripture of Elijah coming just prior to the great day of the Lord, is also a good indication of that. However I feel that your guess is good and deserves merit also, but for now, when there is not any definite revelation from the Holy Spirit, a "wait and see" attitude should be kept and noone try to start another church or denomination over this "good guess, OK?
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Lord knows we don't need another denomination...
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Pseudo (organized) religion (including the most pristine cathedrals, mega 'churches', store front 'churches' basement 'churhes',all the way down to the sidewalk 'preachers') is satan's seat, he utilizes them all to decieve the masses.

Atheism, agnosticism, deism and all the isms are all religions which can never seem to 'get off the ground', yet still, they are organized.. satan also uses them decieve all those who weren't captured by mainstream organized religion.

Believing and adhering to The Teachings Of Jesus Christ while obeying The Ten Commandments Of God The Father, is the only hope of escaping the coming hell on earth and being dragged/sent to hell.
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Beloved in Christ Jesus,

REVELATION
THE 2 WITNESS:
Revelation 11:11 After three and a half days a life-
giving breath came from God and entered them,
and they stood up;
and all who saw them were terrified.

1. The dead in Christ will rise FIRST...
THE 2 WITNESS WILL RISE FIRST will PROPHECY DURING THE TRIBULATION ON EARTH FOR 3.5 years...
THEN ALL THE OTHERS DEAD IN CHRIST JESUS will be raised from the dead...

2. Revelation 3:10 Because you have kept my command to endure,
I will also keep you safe from ther time of trouble which is coming upon the world to test all the people on earth.

3. Then we that are still alive on earth...(refering to Jesus` BRIDE)...

4. Then JESUS CHRIST WILL: Rapture HIS CHURCHBRIDE OF JESUS CHRIST...(AT THE SAME TIMEOF SUDDEN DESTRUCTION...(BEGINNING OF WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST POSSIBLY ISRAEL+IRAN)

5. WEDDING FEAST OF THE LAMB IN HEAVEN FOR THE BRIDE OF JESUS CHRIST...

6. On earth the START OF THE TRIBULATION AND PERSECUTION...
antichrist new world order famine war..

7. After the TRIBULATION JESUS CHRIST COMES BACK WITH HIS SAINTS...

GODS JUDGEMENTS
Revelation 19:14 The armies of heaven followed him, riding on white horses and dressed in clean white linen.
Then the 1000 years reign of JESUS CHRIST
NEW HEAVEN NEW EARTH NEW JERUSALEM: REVELATION 21
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Beloved in Christ Jesus,

REVELATION
THE 2 WITNESS:
Revelation 11:11 After three and a half days a life-
giving breath came from God and entered them,
and they stood up;
and all who saw them were terrified.

1. The dead in Christ will rise FIRST...
THE 2 WITNESS WILL RISE FIRST will PROPHECY DURING THE TRIBULATION ON EARTH FOR 3.5 years...
THEN ALL THE OTHERS DEAD IN CHRIST JESUS will be raised from the dead...

2. Revelation 3:10 Because you have kept my command to endure,
I will also keep you safe from ther time of trouble which is coming upon the world to test all the people on earth.

3. Then we that are still alive on earth...(refering to Jesus` BRIDE)...

4. Then JESUS CHRIST WILL: Rapture HIS CHURCHBRIDE OF JESUS CHRIST...(AT THE SAME TIMEOF SUDDEN DESTRUCTION...(BEGINNING OF WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST POSSIBLY ISRAEL+IRAN)

5. WEDDING FEAST OF THE LAMB IN HEAVEN FOR THE BRIDE OF JESUS CHRIST...

6. On earth the START OF THE TRIBULATION AND PERSECUTION...
antichrist new world order famine war..

7. After the TRIBULATION JESUS CHRIST COMES BACK WITH HIS SAINTS...

GODS JUDGEMENTS
Revelation 19:14 The armies of heaven followed him, riding on white horses and dressed in clean white linen.
Then the 1000 years reign of JESUS CHRIST
NEW HEAVEN NEW EARTH NEW JERUSALEM: REVELATION 21
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is Coming Soon!!! 679857


Since you are so good at reading the bible, can you explain Ecclesiastes chapter 12 for us all?
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"I was a respected revivalist "


Winged Lion how about change "was" to "I AM" and join the New Jerusalem revival movement
[link to alphaomeganewjerusalem.com]
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Beloved in Christ Jesus,

REVELATION
THE 2 WITNESS:
Revelation 11:11 After three and a half days a life-
giving breath came from God and entered them,
and they stood up;
and all who saw them were terrified.

1. The dead in Christ will rise FIRST...
THE 2 WITNESS WILL RISE FIRST will PROPHECY DURING THE TRIBULATION ON EARTH FOR 3.5 years...
THEN ALL THE OTHERS DEAD IN CHRIST JESUS will be raised from the dead...

2. Revelation 3:10 Because you have kept my command to endure,
I will also keep you safe from ther time of trouble which is coming upon the world to test all the people on earth.

3. Then we that are still alive on earth...(refering to Jesus` BRIDE)...

4. Then JESUS CHRIST WILL: Rapture HIS CHURCHBRIDE OF JESUS CHRIST...(AT THE SAME TIMEOF SUDDEN DESTRUCTION...(BEGINNING OF WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST POSSIBLY ISRAEL+IRAN)

5. WEDDING FEAST OF THE LAMB IN HEAVEN FOR THE BRIDE OF JESUS CHRIST...

6. On earth the START OF THE TRIBULATION AND PERSECUTION...
antichrist new world order famine war..

7. After the TRIBULATION JESUS CHRIST COMES BACK WITH HIS SAINTS...

GODS JUDGEMENTS
Revelation 19:14 The armies of heaven followed him, riding on white horses and dressed in clean white linen.
Then the 1000 years reign of JESUS CHRIST
NEW HEAVEN NEW EARTH NEW JERUSALEM: REVELATION 21


Since you are so good at reading the bible, can you explain Ecclesiastes chapter 12 for us all?
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THE SUMMING UP

ECCLESIASTES 12 13-14
13 After all this, there is only one thing to say:
Have reverence for God,
and obey his commands,
because this is all that we were created for.
14 God is going to judge everything we do,
whether good or bad,
even things done in secret.
peace hf
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"Come quickly Lord Jesus,
Save us from ourselves!
We need it!"


Unite into the New Jerusalem. Stop fighting each other. If you all unite into the New Jerusalem and bring everyone into it you shall have it.
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Jesus Christ is Coming Soon!!!,


Have you read the New Jerusalem link? That is your rapture into the New Jerusalem. You are to be a New Jerusalem leader.
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Beloved in Christ Jesus,

REVELATION
THE 2 WITNESS:
Revelation 11:11 After three and a half days a life-
giving breath came from God and entered them,
and they stood up;
and all who saw them were terrified.

1. The dead in Christ will rise FIRST...
THE 2 WITNESS WILL RISE FIRST will PROPHECY DURING THE TRIBULATION ON EARTH FOR 3.5 years...
THEN ALL THE OTHERS DEAD IN CHRIST JESUS will be raised from the dead...

2. Revelation 3:10 Because you have kept my command to endure,
I will also keep you safe from ther time of trouble which is coming upon the world to test all the people on earth.

3. Then we that are still alive on earth...(refering to Jesus` BRIDE)...

4. Then JESUS CHRIST WILL: Rapture HIS CHURCHBRIDE OF JESUS CHRIST...(AT THE SAME TIMEOF SUDDEN DESTRUCTION...(BEGINNING OF WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST POSSIBLY ISRAEL+IRAN)

5. WEDDING FEAST OF THE LAMB IN HEAVEN FOR THE BRIDE OF JESUS CHRIST...

6. On earth the START OF THE TRIBULATION AND PERSECUTION...
antichrist new world order famine war..

7. After the TRIBULATION JESUS CHRIST COMES BACK WITH HIS SAINTS...

GODS JUDGEMENTS
Revelation 19:14 The armies of heaven followed him, riding on white horses and dressed in clean white linen.
Then the 1000 years reign of JESUS CHRIST
NEW HEAVEN NEW EARTH NEW JERUSALEM: REVELATION 21


Since you are so good at reading the bible, can you explain Ecclesiastes chapter 12 for us all?



THE SUMMING UP

ECCLESIASTES 12 13-14
13 After all this, there is only one thing to say:
Have reverence for God,
and obey his commands,
because this is all that we were created for.
14 God is going to judge everything we do,
whether good or bad,
even things done in secret.
peace hf
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I am going to pick on you a bit now that you have proven yourself to be lacking in what you read.
I had asked you to explain Eccl. 12 for a reason.
I know you are using a NIV bible or a version close to it by the way you have posted verse's.
You quoted Rev. 3:10... In the King James it reads as like this: " Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I also will keep the from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Question: What is the hour of temptation and why did you leave it out from your teachings?
Question about Eccl. chapter 12.
What does verse's 6 and 7 say and mean?
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"Come quickly Lord Jesus,
Save us from ourselves!
We need it!"


Unite into the New Jerusalem. Stop fighting each other. If you all unite into the New Jerusalem and bring everyone into it you shall have it.
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Hello S.O.T. !
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"Come quickly Lord Jesus,
Save us from ourselves!
We need it!"


Unite into the New Jerusalem. Stop fighting each other. If you all unite into the New Jerusalem and bring everyone into it you shall have it.
 Quoting: Russ 2/31/09 148371


Russ, I do have to give you an A+ for persistence, but that being said, I don't get a feeling in my Spirit that what you're doing is of the Lord. Honestly, in my Spirit it feels lifeless, dead and, frankly, kinda icky to me.





GLP