Message To The American Police Officer | |
Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ive been a cop for 6 years. All this retoric you go blabbing about is not new. Weve heard it all before. Last year a good friend of mine was shot and killed on a "routine"stop. Everyone of us are putting our lives on the line everyday to protect people like you. We dont expect gratitude and we do it for a very minimal salary. And even though you seem to have such negative feelings about me and my Blue Brothers I will still be there for you when you call. With that said we are also human, and there are good and bad humans all over this world. But for the majority that I can speak for they are the best kinds of people. We are selfless and non expecting. |
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Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "What is about the very thought of the People being able to match you in firepower that scares you? Are you looking at all of us as opponents?" Well there´s an interesting story behind this question. Let´s see if I can remember all the types of people a "cop" might run into through the course of his work day. Victim, yep they run into victims fairly often. Perpetrator, yep they run into perpatrators fairly often too. Suspect, well that´s about it, other than. Cop. Where is the word that describes innocent and nont involved PEOPLE? In the day of a cop everyone in the city the cop is in falls into one or more of those 4 words. |
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Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | By Carl F. Worden I have debated writing this article for months. I am a strong supporter of law enforcement, and I have an extensive background in law enforcement. Even now, I have a number of conflicts which cause me great concern with how the information I am about to impart to you will be used. I do not want to enable the criminals in our society to thwart justice, but I am committed to protecting the innocent from what appears to be an explosion of police abuse. In a case like this, I choose to protect the citizens. I will start with law enforcement contacts with regard to traffic stops for suspicion of driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs. The Fifth Amendment of the Bill of Rights states that we are not to be forced to incriminate ourselves. The actual wording is that you cannot be "compelled" to be a witness against yourself. If you are stopped for suspicion of DUI, these are your rights, regardless of the laws of your state. First, you are to deny having consumed any alcoholic beverages whatsoever. You are never to admit to having one or two drinks. If you admit to consuming even one drop of alcohol, you open the door to probable cause, allowing the police officer to search your vehicle for open containers. Next, you are never to submit to a field sobriety test. You are to refuse to do so. They cannot make you walk the line, balance or anything else. If arrested, you are to refuse to allow a blood or breath test, regardless of what state law requires, such as revocation of driving privileges for a period of time. That is an attempt to compel you to be a witness against yourself. Supreme Court decisions in this area are quite specific with regard to your rights as follows: Lefkowitz v. Turley, 94 S. Ct. 316, 414 U.S. 70 (19 73). "The Fifth Amendment provides that no person shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself. The Amendment not only protects the individual against being involuntarily called as a witness against himself in a criminal prosecution but also privileges him not to answer official questions put to him in any other proceeding civil or criminal formal or informal, where the answers might incriminate him in future criminal proceedings." McCarthy v. Arndstein 266 U.S. 34, 40, 45 S. Ct. 16, 17, 69 L.Ed 158 (1924) , squarely held that "the privilege is not ordinarily dependent upon the nature of the proceeding in which the testimony is sought or is to be used. It applies alike to civil and criminal proceedings, wherever the answer might tend to subject to criminal responsibility him who gives it. The privilege protects a mere witness as fully as it does one who is a party defendant." Maness v. Myers, 95 S Ct. 584, 419 US 449 (1975). "...where the Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination is Involved ... This Court has always construed its protection to ensure that an individual is not compelled to produce evidence which later may be used against him as an accused in a criminal action... The protection does not merely encompass evidence which may lead to criminal conviction, but includes information which would furnish a link in the chain of evidence that could lead to prosecution, as well as evidence which an individual reasonably believes could be used against him in a criminal prosecution. Hoffman v. United States, 341 US. 479, 486, 71 S. Ct. 814, 818, 95 L. Ed. 1] 18 (1951) . " "In Kastigar v. United States, 406 U S 441, 92 S Ct. 1653, 32 LEd. 212 (1972) , we recently reaffirmed the principle that the privilege against self incrimination can be asserted in any proceeding, civil or criminal, administrative or judicial, investigatory or adjudicatory. Id., at 444, 92 S.Ct., at 1656; Lefkowitz v. Turley, 414 US. 70, 77, 94 S. Ct. 316, 322, 38 L.Ed. 2d 274 (1973)... Miranda v. Arizona, 86 S.Ct. 1602, 384 US 436 (1966) . "We have recently noted that the privilege against self-incrimination --- the essential mainstay of our adversary system-is founded on a complex of values ... To maintain a fair state individual balance, to require the government to shoulder the entire load ... to respect the inviolability of the human personality, our accusatory system of criminal justice demands that the government seeking to punish an individual produce the evidence against him by its own independent labors, rather than by the cruel, simple expedient of compelling it from his own mouth... ln sum, the privilege is fulfilled only when the person is guaranteed the right to remain silent unless he chooses to speak in the unfettered exercise of his own will." "...there can be no doubt that the Fifth Amendment privilege is available outside. of criminal court proceedings and serves to protect persons in all settings in which their freedom of action is curtailed in any significant way from being compelled to incriminate themselves." Please also note: The above, as stated by the Supreme Court, are rights and privileges as guaranteed by the Constitution, and anyone (including judges) who knowingly violates those rights may be civilly and criminally liable under several federal statutes. Please see: United States Code, Title 18 Section 241 (Conspiracy against rights), and Section 242 (Deprivation of rights under color of law); Title 42 Section 1983 - Section 1986 (Civil Rights). Most attempts to pursue action under these laws fail, but very skilled litigators with good factual circumstances can sometimes get some satisfaction. However, if more individuals were to understand the above rights and exercise them at the appropriate times, more successful litigation could be the outcome. Okay, you got that? You cannot be forced to provide evidence against yourself, therefore you must not allow any tests whatsoever, be it field sobriety "walking the line", or a blood or breath test. Period. If you will follow these instructions, they have no case against you and they are also barred from taking away your driving privileges under the same Supreme Court rulings. Now to more serious matters: If you are contacted as a possible suspect, or even a witness, in any other law enforcement investigation, you are to say nothing. You are to say nothing even when your attorney is present. You are to say nothing, regardless of evidence of your guilt as presented by the law enforcement officers. You are not to try to explain away the circumstances of the evidence they present to you. You are to say absolutely nothing. No matter how tempted you are to try to talk your way out of the situation, you are to give them absolutely NOTHING to verify. If they ask you if the sky is blue on a clear day, you are to say nothing. You are to give them nothing whatsoever. Whatever evidence or witness information they have, you are to say nothing. Even denying any of their allegations can be used against you in a prosecution if it is determined later that you obviously lied. You are to stay MUTE. The reason for this is quite simple: The evidence the law enforcement officers have is all they must be required to work with. Don´t give them anything more. The only time you should consider the option of telling your side of the story is to your attorney in privacy, or in a court of law if prosecuted. Because you have stayed mute, giving law enforcement nothing in addition to the extrinsic evidence and witness information at hand, the burden of proof available to the district attorney is severely limited and will most often result in a dismissal of charges unless their evidence and witness input is overwhelming and compelling enough for a grand jury to return a bill of indictment. And even if bound over for trial, the jury will be limited to consider only that evidence and witness input. When you are given your Miranda Rights wherein you are informed that anything you say can and will be used against you, take it to heart: If you say absolutely nothing, NOTHING can and will be used against you in a court of law. There are literally thousands of people behind bars today who tried to talk their way out of a law enforcement contact. Don´t fall for the ploy. Law enforcement officers are trained to bluff you into making denials or statements. They will appear friendly and reasonable. They will appear willing to help resolve the matter. They will tempt you to talk about it and appear sympathetic. Don´t fall for it. Say nothing. Give them nothing. Deny nothing. Give them NOTHING. Stick your tongue between your teeth and bite down - HARD. You are to be a marble statue. You do not exist. You have no past, you have no address, you have no name, you have no social security number. You are to give them nothing whatsoever to work with. [link to www.sierratimes.com] If Martha Stewart had only known her rights and followed these directions .... ! |
Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | cops are satanic scumbags they enforce satanic laws they are money extortionsists God will soon Destroy Amerika I would like to see you scumbag cops fighting off 1 million chinese/russian army when they invade ! hahahaha !!!! than you can take your tickets and shove them upyour ass before they kill you !!!!!!! hahaha !!!!!!! |
Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i feel sorry for you gringoes... bush is trashing the country. bush is opening your borders [link to www.alipac.us] and the crappy police are at best ´revenue officers´. if you´re a republiCunt - you´re fcuked. But you keep asking for more. |
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Not a Sheeple 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | User ID: 5409 I can only thank you for your accepting the job that so few truly appreciate. Many on this forum scream about conspiracies (myself included) yet fail to realize that your profession has been vilified by the media (read TPTB) to polarize you from those that you protect in order to control both sides. Many of the talking points presented by the OP are straight from the evening news, not that TV has any effect on our view of reality. "So, to begin, I want to state the most basic of all facts about brainwashing: In the entire history of man, no one has ever been brainwashed and REALIZED OR BELIEVED that he had been brainwashed. Those who have been brainwashed will usually passionately defend their manipulators, claiming they have simply been "shown the light" ... or have been transformed in miraculous ways." |
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The Angel 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Next door to me lives an elderly lady with terminal cancer who was beaten up by her husband of 30 years before he left her. Every day an officer of the law comes to the house to check on her. This officer is not on duty when he does this. Nobody asked him to do this. He comes by to check on this lady out of the goodness of his heart. While he is there, he takes care of her pets, makes sure she has eaten that day and that her meds are laid out for the next day. He does this out of a sense of honor, not because it is his job. Sounds like quite the asshole, eh? We have a saying here... Know what the difference is between a police officer and a cop? You can respect a police officer. |
Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What makes a police officer want to become a police officer? Is it the gun that make them jubilate to the idea of becomming a police officer? Is it truly because they want to help the population? And if that is true, what were they doing to help the community before they became a police officer? Is it because there is a lot of job and they basicly take anyone without a criminal record? I know some went into the force to become organized criminals, i know some personnaly and they are quite happy about the power that was instigated in them. Is it because when they were young they were looking up to the police officers and they see how the people react when the police force arrives on the scene (respect and all) Theire childhood was filled with rejection and they figured that they would eliminate all form of rejection if they hold the bigger end of the stick? My cousin is a RCMP, she weights 100 pound and measures 4.9 foot high. She went into the force to feel stronger (her own words) Police officer beleives they are necessaire. Its an ego thing. |
Circuit Breaker 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "That´s right; modern American policing is destroying America. It´s a preening cult of overtestosteroned man-children; ´cowboys´ looking for the slightest excuse to wreck some lives to make bustsÖ for the ´law´." What an illusion you live in. Police departments are now a reactive agency, whereas they used to be proactive. That isn´t possible anymore. So, police officers are reacting to what YOU the citizen tells them. |
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BUSH 04 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let me start off by saying the following: I am 100% PRO law enforcement. Lets face it, they don´t get paid jack sh*t for getting shot at to save our sorry asses. Period. BUT>>>>>>>>>>> There is a creeping problem in America. It is a lack of responsibility. In this case, the police say "we are only enforcing the laws that are created by people that the populace voted in". The politicians say "the police have gone too far, there job is not to make laws". Frankly, it has always been up to the nuts and bolts person (i.e. the one making the decision, doing the actual work) to make the call. If you know, as a policeman, that regardless of what BS your post commander says about seat belt laws (don´t protect us from ourselves, the state acting as parent...) it is up to you to decide the following: Your time is better spent busting gang members who kill innocents in their stupidity rather than giving Joe Six Pack another ticket. Joe Six Pack works, pays taxes (which pays your salary), as a family, etc. LEAVE HIM ALONE!! I know that the commander wants the cash from all of those easy tickets, but it is up to you to PROTECT AND SERVE. No excuses. DO IT. |
Claycat 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | AC 5409, while I resent the way police arrest someone for a joint and don´t arrest monsters like Tom Delay, I appreciate the job the majority of you are doing. I know from the experience of a relative that it is a thankless, tiring job. However, we know bad times are coming, times that will shake the very fabric of our existence. Our own government is turning against us. It has been for quite awhile. My question is this: When the government starts overtly overstepping its bounds, who are you going to protect and serve? Are you going to serve the elite, the money changers, or are you going to protect us, We the People of the United States? |
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REAL Dave nli 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP is right. Truth hurts those who can´t deal with it. of course, this is a generalization, and in that respect, i´m sure there are a small percentage of cops who are TRYING to do what´s right and not hassle the little guy for the minor things. In truth, the average street cop has a lower average IQ than your average manager of an Arby´s, and this is done on purpose, because stupid people are easier to order around and will usually not question their superiors. Cops are HYPOCRITES, as well, because I have seen cops do drugs, get drunk(and drive home), and sell goods taken from people in raids. They ENJOY their power and the fact that they can get away with things that most people would get thrown in jail for. All of you saying OP is full of bull are the ones who are TRULY DELUSIONAL. YOU are part of the problem. You are afraid of taking care of yourself and you still believe cops help people. Cops show up(99.99% of the time) AFTER a crime has been committed or AFTER an event happens that harms people. Sure, they do a fine job of clean up, counting bodies, taking names, and filing reports but there is very little real crime fighting going on out there. It´s all a fucking game. Vice cops are the WORST. I could go on with stories of my personal experiences, but it won´t mean anything to the cop supporters. I say EVERYONE NEEDS TO GO BUY A GUN. Protect yourself, your family, your friends. THAT is all the policing we will EVER need. dave |
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Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | AC 5409, I sincerely appreciate for you and your fellow officers of peace and law for putting your lives on the line for the safety and well-being of the society in general. You´re a credit to law enforcement profession, it may not be the greatest job in the world but the most important job as well and a necessity at that. Without police officers enforcing the public-mandated laws, who will police the community/society to prevent anarchy, lawlessness and chaos? Regular people are highly susceptible to temptations and often falls to the lesser, even malicious, realms of human nature. It´s difficult for regular people at large to police and behave themselves if left unchecked or if other forces or factors cause circumstantial conditions of which to pit people against people, friends against friends, family against family and so on. The AC assholes here who bashed you and police officers in general are totally screwed-up/brainwashed tools. They only see evil in police officers due to media polarization, popular stereotypes, blatant ignorance and fell into traps made by the malevolent people who despised police officers. Though, there were some police officers who did the stupid things like taking bribes, breaking their own laws while enforcing, given into corruption, looking the other ways, etc, etc,, these people does a grave disservice to the law enforcement profession. That should be in no way reflected on the vast majority of police officers and state troopers who are good, law-abiding, helpful public servants of the society and the community in general. I thank you for doing a thankless, difficult job. That´s my gratitude for all police officers out there. |
911 12/08/2005 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First, I want to thank the people who choose to become police officers. It is a thankless job and AC 5409 should know that if he went through the academy. But I will say for the record if you are being stalked, the police can do nothing for you until you actually become a victim of the stalker. It really is sad that it has come to this but every woman should take some self-defense classes or be trained in the use of small arms. |