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cg (OP) User ID: 1119788 United States 05/28/2011 04:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide By telling it, will make the system change, The shrinks only care about the bottom line, about being paid, in a way dr's are workaholics, that is working more and more for less and less and doing everything and getting nothing. and they grind out those who don't follow. besides, dick price, the founder o esalen was institutionalized, nearly killed by dr's who did not have a clue in the 1950's, it is a shame that things have not changed except now they use pills rather than electric shocks nd lobotomies, but basically they are killing the brain to save it, Rather they are killing the brain because they cannot deal with the difficulties of an annoying individual Let be be finale of seem The only emperor is the emperor of ice cream--Wallace Stevens I have seen the eternal footman hold my coat and snicker and in short I was afraid--T.S. Eliot [email protected] Back on twitter--follow me [email protected] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1404624 Belgium 05/28/2011 04:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide I warned my family about all the global events, and there is danger (fuku), also about chemtrails u know the whole nine yards, They declared me nuts, trying to take my kid and want fill me up with pharma, Welcome in a complete sociopathic society where the new generation is screwed and the old generation too brainwashed to even notice, |
cg (OP) User ID: 1119788 United States 05/28/2011 04:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide I warned my family about all the global events, and there is danger (fuku), also about chemtrails u know the whole nine yards, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1404624They declared me nuts, trying to take my kid and want fill me up with pharma, Welcome in a complete sociopathic society where the new generation is screwed and the old generation too brainwashed to even notice, And pharma is just as lethal, the anti depressants mixed with pain pills and valium are lethal, expecially with a martini. That is if u don't get an overwhelming urge to throw yourself in front of a train, had a friend who was on meds and had a horrible urge to throw himself into an oncoming subway, he didn't but still... The system sucks, pills are not the answer. Have another friend, she got busted for forging pill scripts, got locked up, high heels and make up, two weeks later in prison jeans and a hoodie she looked ten years younger! I am sure meds are good for some, but not 1/3 the population and certaintly not without intensive therapy. Insurance should not run the health industry. it is better not to take a single pill than get caught in a never ending web that bleeds u to bankruptcy and then puts u on the dole so the dr's can collect a government check Let be be finale of seem The only emperor is the emperor of ice cream--Wallace Stevens I have seen the eternal footman hold my coat and snicker and in short I was afraid--T.S. Eliot [email protected] Back on twitter--follow me [email protected] |
weegie User ID: 1398287 Switzerland 05/28/2011 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide I was diagnosed with uterine cancer in Dec. 2009. I had surgery and felt GREAT...no pain from the surgery, lots of energy (more than I'd had in years, actually), and my mind was clear. About 3 and a half months after the surgery, I started having pelvic radiation....NEVER again. Over a year after the radiation ended I am still exhausted almost all the time and my mind has been foggy for over a year now. All my life I have NEVER looked at a piece of fabric, or a craft item and NOT thought, "Ooh, I could make this, or that, or that, or that..." Now, I feel blank...I go through the motions, but can't think. I realize I HAVE to do this or that, and slowly and methodically struggle to do things I used to never have to think about. I would NEVER recommend radiation to anyone and wish I had never had it...I feel like a walking vegetable sometimes. |
Mercurius User ID: 1087913 United States 05/28/2011 04:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide him out the door after a couple of days or less. No counseling ever, just prescriptions. Know others who are on high doses of drugs due to psychotic effects of anti-depressant withdrawal. Stopped cold turkey, then ended up in psych ward. No one bothered to say "there are likely withdrawal symptoms". A person close to me is very slowly going off an anti-depressant that messed up there ability to sleep. The withdrawals are dreadful if not done at a very slow pace. Two and a half months to get to a half dose, and still some withdrawal symptoms. Know people who've ended up bankrupted. Big problems: Lack of universal insurance. Pill pushing without truly informed consent. |
cg (OP) User ID: 1119788 United States 05/28/2011 04:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide Lost a friend to suicide after the system repeatedly bounced Quoting: Mercurius 1087913him out the door after a couple of days or less. No counseling ever, just prescriptions. Know others who are on high doses of drugs due to psychotic effects of anti-depressant withdrawal. Stopped cold turkey, then ended up in psych ward. No one bothered to say "there are likely withdrawal symptoms". A person close to me is very slowly going off an anti-depressant that messed up there ability to sleep. The withdrawals are dreadful if not done at a very slow pace. Two and a half months to get to a half dose, and still some withdrawal symptoms. Know people who've ended up bankrupted. Big problems: Lack of universal insurance. Pill pushing without truly informed consent. Thanks for sharing that, It really bothers me that these things happen, YOu know I visited friends of friends twice in a psych ward, it is a hospital floor with locked doors, nothing peaceful nothing soothing, nothing tranquil, just a sterile hospital floor and meds, everything for the fucking meds that have too many damn side effects. For all that money they could build really nice retreat centers, of course the dr's would have to live on 50k not 500 k and maybe actually have to really work to understand annoying patients. People getting killed pisses me off, NYC does have its nazi side, lose ur place, argue with the wronge person, and the cops arrive and u r off to happy valley psych ward and it will bankrupt u, and kill u. Let be be finale of seem The only emperor is the emperor of ice cream--Wallace Stevens I have seen the eternal footman hold my coat and snicker and in short I was afraid--T.S. Eliot [email protected] Back on twitter--follow me [email protected] |
cg (OP) User ID: 1119788 United States 05/28/2011 04:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide I was diagnosed with uterine cancer in Dec. 2009. I had surgery and felt GREAT...no pain from the surgery, lots of energy (more than I'd had in years, actually), and my mind was clear. About 3 and a half months after the surgery, I started having pelvic radiation....NEVER again. Over a year after the radiation ended I am still exhausted almost all the time and my mind has been foggy for over a year now. All my life I have NEVER looked at a piece of fabric, or a craft item and NOT thought, "Ooh, I could make this, or that, or that, or that..." Now, I feel blank...I go through the motions, but can't think. I realize I HAVE to do this or that, and slowly and methodically struggle to do things I used to never have to think about. I would NEVER recommend radiation to anyone and wish I had never had it...I feel like a walking vegetable sometimes. Quoting: weegieI've lost relatives to cancer, they do a lot to u and then u die anyway. Cancer dr's were polled about what treatments they would use and they all said, the ones that had the highest risk of death or they would do nothing and let the disease take it's course. Yet they peddle the stuff to the people who suffer and spent hundreds of thousands and only get SIX extra weeks of life. For half a million dollars i do not need six extra weeks, for 200k I could have one hell of a blow out in Las Vegas or SOuth Beach Let be be finale of seem The only emperor is the emperor of ice cream--Wallace Stevens I have seen the eternal footman hold my coat and snicker and in short I was afraid--T.S. Eliot [email protected] Back on twitter--follow me [email protected] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1389593 United States 05/28/2011 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide I have to wonder about everything now, because doctors are so dependent on paying their outrageous bills. How many lab reports are faked to make money? My grandmother was the head nurse at a major hospital in a major city, and because of what my grandfather knew, he completely refused to EVER see a doctor. He lived into his mid 90s, until a relative took him to a hospital, where they managed to kill him. |
cg (OP) User ID: 1119788 United States 05/28/2011 04:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide I have to wonder about everything now, because doctors are so dependent on paying their outrageous bills. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1389593How many lab reports are faked to make money? My grandmother was the head nurse at a major hospital in a major city, and because of what my grandfather knew, he completely refused to EVER see a doctor. He lived into his mid 90s, until a relative took him to a hospital, where they managed to kill him. Tell the dr, especially the shrink, that u will burn every last dollar before u being any expensive treatment, then as if by magic u r cured!!!!! Amazing how those with no money do not needs meds. A system that gives meds on the basis of your ability to pay is not better than a back alley drug dealer And they both belong in the same place...Jail Let be be finale of seem The only emperor is the emperor of ice cream--Wallace Stevens I have seen the eternal footman hold my coat and snicker and in short I was afraid--T.S. Eliot [email protected] Back on twitter--follow me [email protected] |
BlindNaked User ID: 1403291 United States 05/28/2011 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide Now I'm on prestique, the lesser of evils but still bad. This one causes high cholesterol just like cymbalta did. In fact, 4 months after I stopped taking cymbalta my colesterol had gone from 370 to 130. I'm not about to get off the prestique as the world ends though. Lol |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1324238 United States 05/28/2011 04:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide My husband is now dependant on Cymbalta to keep his mood stabilized. Without it, he flies into insane rages now. He was never like that before. They put him on this stuff to treat his back pain, so they claimed. Now he can't come off of it without acting like a mad man. |
cg (OP) User ID: 1119788 United States 05/28/2011 04:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide my father walked into the hospital and came out disabled on a wheel chair died soon after Quoting: wildhoneyno comment Sorry to hear that. Let be be finale of seem The only emperor is the emperor of ice cream--Wallace Stevens I have seen the eternal footman hold my coat and snicker and in short I was afraid--T.S. Eliot [email protected] Back on twitter--follow me [email protected] |
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cg (OP) User ID: 1119788 United States 05/28/2011 04:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide My husband is now dependant on Cymbalta to keep his mood stabilized. Without it, he flies into insane rages now. He was never like that before. They put him on this stuff to treat his back pain, so they claimed. Now he can't come off of it without acting like a mad man. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1324238This is completely wrong, Dcotors and society have to learn to deal with annoying people, not just stuff them with pills to keep them quiet, remember how parents went nuts over ritalin, well everyone is a kids inside and that kid needs support not being doped up and shut up Let be be finale of seem The only emperor is the emperor of ice cream--Wallace Stevens I have seen the eternal footman hold my coat and snicker and in short I was afraid--T.S. Eliot [email protected] Back on twitter--follow me [email protected] |
hoot no more/hasheater User ID: 1404614 Switzerland 05/28/2011 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide A lot of the mental health problems are natural anyway, a nano brain worm picked up from cats..........takes about six months of "worming" with either natural or chemical wormers to kill all the adults AND their eggs.....the reason the psyc drugs work for a while is that they kill the adults hahahahahahahaaaaa my bad experiences with the white coats started at 14 when I got smashed up in a car accident and had a broken femur. Lazy bastard didn't set my leg and after four months of traction and a chest to toes cast I ended up with a leg 3/4 of an inch shorter than the other one. Lazy greedy bastard then wanted to break my good leg to make it the same length. sorry to say my experiences with them have gone downhill since then |
cg (OP) User ID: 1119788 United States 05/28/2011 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide I was put on paxil in 1997. I was a little depressed, drinking alcohol andcough syrup for the dxm. When I started on the paxil I turned into a full blown alcoholic OVERNITE, manic too. Wound up in psych ward several times. Then I read that one of the side effects of paxil is alcoholism. Then it took 3 years to ween myself off of it. Quoting: BlindNakedNow I'm on prestique, the lesser of evils but still bad. This one causes high cholesterol just like cymbalta did. In fact, 4 months after I stopped taking cymbalta my colesterol had gone from 370 to 130. I'm not about to get off the prestique as the world ends though. Lol I'll let u in on a secret, The world is not going to end. if it ever did, u and everyone else will never see it coming. Let be be finale of seem The only emperor is the emperor of ice cream--Wallace Stevens I have seen the eternal footman hold my coat and snicker and in short I was afraid--T.S. Eliot [email protected] Back on twitter--follow me [email protected] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1324238 United States 05/28/2011 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide It's fascinating to note that some can come off this stuff with no problems. Others can't. I guess different wiring matters and these drug-companies aren't doing enough research and the doctors just want to peddle dope instead of helping people get better. Even if they tell me I have cancer one day (heavens forbid it) I refuse to take their poisons. |
cg (OP) User ID: 1119788 United States 05/28/2011 04:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide A lot of the mental health problems are natural anyway, a nano brain worm picked up from cats..........takes about six months of "worming" with either natural or chemical wormers to kill all the adults AND their eggs.....the reason the psyc drugs work for a while is that they kill the adults Quoting: hoot no more/hasheater 1404614hahahahahahahaaaaa my bad experiences with the white coats started at 14 when I got smashed up in a car accident and had a broken femur. Lazy bastard didn't set my leg and after four months of traction and a chest to toes cast I ended up with a leg 3/4 of an inch shorter than the other one. Lazy greedy bastard then wanted to break my good leg to make it the same length. sorry to say my experiences with them have gone downhill since then Sorry to hear it. These dr's need to hear how they are violating their oath, the hippocratic oath, to help to heal and not to worry about the almighty dollar. imean med school is expensive and a bitch and a lot of people could do the same or a better job if they got a chance at a fraction of the cost. Where i come from an oath means something, it is a matter of honor, not being scared to death of malpractice and just too conniving by half. I mean the money is going to be worthless soon anyway Let be be finale of seem The only emperor is the emperor of ice cream--Wallace Stevens I have seen the eternal footman hold my coat and snicker and in short I was afraid--T.S. Eliot [email protected] Back on twitter--follow me [email protected] |
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Mercurius User ID: 1087913 United States 05/28/2011 04:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide Lost a friend to suicide after the system repeatedly bounced Quoting: Mercurius 1087913him out the door after a couple of days or less. No counseling ever, just prescriptions. Know others who are on high doses of drugs due to psychotic effects of anti-depressant withdrawal. Stopped cold turkey, then ended up in psych ward. No one bothered to say "there are likely withdrawal symptoms". A person close to me is very slowly going off an anti-depressant that messed up there ability to sleep. The withdrawals are dreadful if not done at a very slow pace. Two and a half months to get to a half dose, and still some withdrawal symptoms. Know people who've ended up bankrupted. Big problems: Lack of universal insurance. Pill pushing without truly informed consent. Thanks for sharing that, It really bothers me that these things happen, YOu know I visited friends of friends twice in a psych ward, it is a hospital floor with locked doors, nothing peaceful nothing soothing, nothing tranquil, just a sterile hospital floor and meds, everything for the fucking meds that have too many damn side effects. For all that money they could build really nice retreat centers, of course the dr's would have to live on 50k not 500 k and maybe actually have to really work to understand annoying patients. People getting killed pisses me off, NYC does have its nazi side, lose ur place, argue with the wronge person, and the cops arrive and u r off to happy valley psych ward and it will bankrupt u, and kill u. Was my thought too. "For this much money they could send people someplace nice where they have a chance of getting better". 72 hours or less with no sleep and the lights on in lock up isn't going to make someone well. It might stop them from killing themselves that day, but it does nothing to solve the original cause of the problem. |
cg (OP) User ID: 1119788 United States 05/28/2011 04:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide It's fascinating to note that some can come off this stuff with no problems. Others can't. I guess different wiring matters and these drug-companies aren't doing enough research and the doctors just want to peddle dope instead of helping people get better. Even if they tell me I have cancer one day (heavens forbid it) I refuse to take their poisons. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1324238That is just it, I believe that cancer could be stopped with the precisely correct combination of herbs in a health food store if mixed properly, and the endless testing for the meds, just lets them take the untested meds, if one is found then it is over I really likethe idea of removing the blood, fixing the blood and putting it back, like with keith richards but with cancer meds, forgot what they called it. but that seems to work Let be be finale of seem The only emperor is the emperor of ice cream--Wallace Stevens I have seen the eternal footman hold my coat and snicker and in short I was afraid--T.S. Eliot [email protected] Back on twitter--follow me [email protected] |
cg (OP) User ID: 1119788 United States 05/28/2011 05:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide medication is in some or most cases a form of imprisonment and abuse. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 733974Then we ought to do something about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let be be finale of seem The only emperor is the emperor of ice cream--Wallace Stevens I have seen the eternal footman hold my coat and snicker and in short I was afraid--T.S. Eliot [email protected] Back on twitter--follow me [email protected] |
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cg (OP) User ID: 1119788 United States 05/28/2011 05:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide Lost a friend to suicide after the system repeatedly bounced Quoting: Mercurius 1087913him out the door after a couple of days or less. No counseling ever, just prescriptions. Know others who are on high doses of drugs due to psychotic effects of anti-depressant withdrawal. Stopped cold turkey, then ended up in psych ward. No one bothered to say "there are likely withdrawal symptoms". A person close to me is very slowly going off an anti-depressant that messed up there ability to sleep. The withdrawals are dreadful if not done at a very slow pace. Two and a half months to get to a half dose, and still some withdrawal symptoms. Know people who've ended up bankrupted. Big problems: Lack of universal insurance. Pill pushing without truly informed consent. Thanks for sharing that, It really bothers me that these things happen, YOu know I visited friends of friends twice in a psych ward, it is a hospital floor with locked doors, nothing peaceful nothing soothing, nothing tranquil, just a sterile hospital floor and meds, everything for the fucking meds that have too many damn side effects. For all that money they could build really nice retreat centers, of course the dr's would have to live on 50k not 500 k and maybe actually have to really work to understand annoying patients. People getting killed pisses me off, NYC does have its nazi side, lose ur place, argue with the wronge person, and the cops arrive and u r off to happy valley psych ward and it will bankrupt u, and kill u. Was my thought too. "For this much money they could send people someplace nice where they have a chance of getting better". 72 hours or less with no sleep and the lights on in lock up isn't going to make someone well. It might stop them from killing themselves that day, but it does nothing to solve the original cause of the problem. And yet they don't. Wonder why they don't? What profit does a dr get if a patient is in the woods surrounded by people who care, A lot of talented people cannot become therapists simply because the exams are too rigorous, but a community could support all those who are ill and reintegrate them into the real world. Yet this does not happen, It is a problem that has gotten swept under the rug, but wit hthe net with the forums and with people talking and taking on issues like this, voices will be heard Let be be finale of seem The only emperor is the emperor of ice cream--Wallace Stevens I have seen the eternal footman hold my coat and snicker and in short I was afraid--T.S. Eliot [email protected] Back on twitter--follow me [email protected] |
dayzd1410 User ID: 1335753 Canada 05/28/2011 05:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide ive been on anti depressants twice.they did so much more damage then they helped. i felt sick everyday unlike ive ever felt before, my entire body felt like a lava lamp, i thought my head might explode. i never felt better, just more unbalanced. both times i just quit cold turkey, the second time i was on cymbalta and battling the withdrawl made me angry and psychotic, i would feel invincible one moment, and completely utterly hopeless the next ready to jump onto the road. needless to say i do not trust medicine, doctors or the system, theyre not actually listening or helping. theyre just destroying. this is the start of how it all ends |
cg (OP) User ID: 1119788 United States 05/28/2011 05:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide I also lost a friend who hang herself, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1404624Zyprexa, one of the most cruel brain killers, once the damage is done you won't get a mind refund Sorry to hear that. What i believe is, do not give the dr a dime for the meds, if they want to medicate u, make them do it for free. Let be be finale of seem The only emperor is the emperor of ice cream--Wallace Stevens I have seen the eternal footman hold my coat and snicker and in short I was afraid--T.S. Eliot [email protected] Back on twitter--follow me [email protected] |
cg (OP) User ID: 1119788 United States 05/28/2011 05:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide Make them give u the meds for free!!!!!!! then the dr's and the insurers will sing a different tune, Win one case in front of one judge and the game is over. Let be be finale of seem The only emperor is the emperor of ice cream--Wallace Stevens I have seen the eternal footman hold my coat and snicker and in short I was afraid--T.S. Eliot [email protected] Back on twitter--follow me [email protected] |
cg (OP) User ID: 1119788 United States 05/28/2011 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide The thought that a med that is suppose to be life saving would result in a suicide pisses me off beyond belief, it is utterly wrong on so many levels and to consciously know this, well there will be reckoning for that in the next life for those who knowing peddle that stuff. Last Edited by cg on 05/28/2011 05:12 PM Let be be finale of seem The only emperor is the emperor of ice cream--Wallace Stevens I have seen the eternal footman hold my coat and snicker and in short I was afraid--T.S. Eliot [email protected] Back on twitter--follow me [email protected] |
cg (OP) User ID: 1119788 United States 05/28/2011 05:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Post how the medical system let u down or how the meds destroyed your life or how u lost a loved one or endured a suicide The stories are all bad!!!! it is a horrible situation, side effects, isolation, bankruptcy, living ina system that suffocates, no wonder so many lash out. A truly evolved society would not be focused on power, control and status, u don;t have to put someone else down to know u r great Let be be finale of seem The only emperor is the emperor of ice cream--Wallace Stevens I have seen the eternal footman hold my coat and snicker and in short I was afraid--T.S. Eliot [email protected] Back on twitter--follow me [email protected] |