<<< UPDATED 04/01/2010 >>> "All I can say is, many of you are close!!!" ***Our Changing Solar System Environment

This story is from 2008
[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]
Would it have gotten better or worse??

I'm not confusing anything. You are the one that said the planet is sometimes not covered by the heliosphere. And you present that purple photo which shows a planet outside of it (although that was not the intention of the photo). YOU SAID:

"BUT, normally, the boundary protects us from these and the clouds actually envelope our little 'bubble' of solar wind, and do not really penetrate the 'bubble'." in the same section with the purple photo. And you said just a few posts ago that the heliosphere shrinks (though no link provided after I asked). I understand clearly that you are basing your doom prediction on conjecture.

ok, I AM GOING TO MAKE THIS REALLY EASY FOR YOU!

[link to www.springerlink.com]
Go here, and look at section 10.4 page 300. Spectra of Galactic Cosmic Ray at Termination Shock and 1AU for Interstellar Environments.

Start there, and read!

Coming up!

Just because they just discovered it doesn't mean it is something that is new and now we have to watch out. It's like, if it's not broke don't fix it. It's like you're trying to find something wrong when nothing is.

You're right, it's nothing new.
The interstellar cloud has been around a loooong time.
Our solar system might have never passed thru it, or maybe we only pass thru it once every 12,000, 100,000, million years?
But we do know, now that we're in it, its gonna take 20 years to get thru it.

Yup, let's start here at the beginning.

And readers remember, we weren't looking for the cloud with IBEX. It was discovered on accident.

That

From the article (thanks for a link btw... the op wouldn't provide one):
"But Dr McComas added that it was still unclear exactly what would happen if the heliosphere continued to weaken or what even what the timescale for changes in the heliosphere are. " yet in the same article it says that it has shrunk 25% in the past 50 years.

Look, they still can't understand how the brain works or cure the common cold. They look at this stuff and believe they understand it and they "see" a huge potential problem. It's like looking at the human body for the first time and saying "oh shit... all that blood is going to cause the whole body to just fall apart!"

They are looking at stuff they just don't understand. It's all conjecture.

Now that I think about it this all seems like a way to blame global warming on something outside of the earth.

NASA = NAZI retard. Stop your bullshit shilling.

Sun's protective 'bubble' is shrinking
The protective bubble around the sun that helps to shield the Earth from harmful interstellar radiation is shrinking and getting weaker, Nasa scientists have warned.

By Richard Gray, Science Correspondent

1:30PM BST 18 Oct 2008

New data has revealed that the heliosphere, the protective shield of energy that surrounds our solar system, has weakened by 25 per cent over the past decade and is now at it lowest level since the space race began 50 years ago.

Scientists are baffled at what could be causing the barrier to shrink in this way and are to launch mission to study the heliosphere.
[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

It's like riding in a speed boat...

Sooner or later, you'll get sprayed.
When the waters are calm, the ride softens.
You trust the 'pilot' to miss the logs.
So far so good.

You are the pilot, yet you can barely see where you're going, must be the salty mist in your eyes.

And another thing he says in the article:
“It is likely that there are natural variations in solar wind pressure and over time it will either stabilise or start going back up.”

DOOM OFF.

Here, read these papers as well. This is a cyclical event.

[link to arxiv.org]

And this manuscript is a WEALTH of information on this.
[link to cdsweb.cern.ch]

An analysis of the distribution and kinematics of interstellar material
within 500 pc of the Sun leads to the conclusion that the galactic
environment of the Sun changes with time. Consideration of evidence for
interstellar gas interacting with the solar wind implies that these
variations may alter the interplanetary environment of the Earth. The
events causing the 10Be spikes 33,000 years and 60,000 years ago in the
Antarctic ice record must be associated with the Local Fluff cloud complex,
possibly due to solar encounters with structures with subparsec scale sizes.
An encounter with "dense" interstellar cloud material could attenuate the
solar La flux by as much as 70%, modify mesospheric chemistry, modify
the magnetosphere-solar wind coupling, and alter the global electrical
circuit. Prior to the entry of the Sun into the Local Fluff cloud complex,
within the past 200,000 years, the galactic environment of the Sun
differed radically from the environment prevailing today and expected for
the near future...

...Our galactic environment changes with time since the Sun moves
through space with a velocity of ~16.5 pc per million years. Observations
of AU sized "dense" (>105 cm-3) structures in interstellar gas show
environment variations are possible on time scales of 3 years to 3,000
years, and on even shorter time scales when effects from supernova
radiation are included...

...

more coming, but I don't think you are gonna read through all of it...

By the way, here started a discussion about the "skirt like" fashion of the heliospheric current sheet aka HCS.

You all imply that it always looks the same.
That thesis is wrong, it´s changing according to the study about "Modeling the heliospheric current sheet: Solar cycle variations" by "Pete Riley, J. A. Linker, and Z. Mikic".

Here is a link to this study.

[link to ulysses.jpl.nasa.gov]

Have fun...


greets

eh, fuck it. You're not worth the time. You obviously have made up your mind.

Your right, no doom. Carry on.

1298967, just shutup. You're making yourself look like an idiot because you haven't done the most basic level of research. SS has, and also relies on the work of many others, including NAZA.

You aren't debunking jack shit. Anybody who's followed SS's threads, knows he does his homework. You, however, have not.

Just stfu for a while and do some reading.

Let's extrapolate then, if you understand the basics of the propane gas lantern, and the fluorescent bulb...

Imagine the earth inside a fluorescent bulb turn it on.
Imagine the earth next to the propane gas lantern mantle, turn up the gas.
The same physics on a human scale.

I'm done reading. And I'm done with your condescensions. I've already read, paraphrased, investigated, and debunked enough that this is hyped conjecture without any real proof beyond more "we don't really know" by scientists. DOOM OFF.

Well... bye.

SS; pls never mind the Federal Shills like Mr. Debunker here in this thread. He's just doing his Federal job that Obama gave him.

anyway, thnx for all of the work you've done...when you think about it, you really didn't have to do all of this research for us. however, I am glad that you did!

Your very welcome!

thx,
After reading them, we could be passing thru different clouds or cycling thru the same cloud. Someone will have to carve a monolith stone or something with the specs for future humanity to decide.


Last Edited by uscrusader1 on 08/26/2011 03:55 PM

Priscilla Frisch basically figured out that these clouds are cyclical, and because they compress the Heliosphere to a great degree, they can have effect on terrestrial climates.

That is just one of the things, but I think possibly the most important in the understanding that this is cyclical in nature.

That shows exactly how common glp user behave.
Science is ongoing process and contains many ways you can walk on.
You can´t debunk it because it´s evolving.

That said we can head on...

greets

p.s.: glp isn´t really the best place to discuss astryphysics.
Most may be interested in the keynote but only scratch on the surface of science.
Not to offend anyone but it´s a fact that most whitch read this and similar threads don´t hold a degree in physics.

Last Edited by gerrylix on 08/26/2011 03:53 PM

there is no real cut n dry answer to this question
You would have to determine the source of the EMP, how powerful the shockwave is, the mineral content of the soil, then you can determine how deep in the Earth to go.
The closer the source of the EMP and the more powerful it is, if the soil has a high content of magnetic conducting minerals, the deeper you would have to go. We also need a small understanding of the earths magnetic field, because the pulse would travel along the field lines from origin of source. There is also a big difference in effects and range that we see between a natural EMP compared to a man made EMP
There is some good study on a HEMP (high-altitude electromagnetic pulse) and that would refer to a man made event.
i know this is wiki and i cant stand wiki, but this have a great view and explanation for the Characteristics of nuclear EMP and how the EMP travels along earths magnetic field lines
[link to en.wikipedia.org]