!!!!!!VERY GRAPHIC CASES !!!!!DOES ANTIDEPRESSANT MEDS TURN PEOPLE INTO ??????????????

Does anyone here know much about the anti convulsant drug TEGRATOL?

Its a drug taken by those with temporal lobe epilepsy.

Does anyone know its side effects from experience?

This is so sad... the world is very fucked up right now.

I used to take Zoloft for anxiety. I started having weird dreams and not sleeping, so I stopped. Then I would take one occasionally for when I felt nervous when we were going out. I had two bad experiences with that. I got upset about something after I had taken half a Zoloft and had one drink. I was not myself at all. I suddenly felt suicidal even though I was not even depressed before taking the zoloft. It was like I went from feeling normal to suicidally depressed in a matter of minutes. I also lost my temper with someone that night which I shouldn't have done. I will never, ever take that stuff again.

All right, I'll bite... Are you trying to tell us something with this topic? You're awfully emphatic. You know, I lived in Kip Kinkle's 'neighborhood' when it all happened, and the thing is, everybody said that they couldn't understand it... great family, nothing ever happens (much) in this place. I wonder if he was a Gemini, and he just kind of... you know... suddenly switched horses, so to speak. A good trick, if you can do it when they're running, I'd bet.

Best GLP thread in a while here.

I hate my Dr, I hate pills and I hate my headspace, some days I hate the whole world... I should have a long happy life, hopefully I'll sleep most of it away.

Yes well I took the natural approach, for nearly a year , taking snake venom and heaps of other stuff from a Dr. All to have my deppression spiral out of control, then a Dr put me on a very low dose of Pristiq - then when the Dr actually did their job - I actually have Hashimotto's Disease, [link to www.medicinenet.com]

So Im cutting out the Pristiq , and finding myself again. All due to one little white pill for my thyroid that if I had 2yrs I would not have had to go to Hell and back

Yes and no... I teach special education, and deal with a classroom full of students from 14-18 who are clinically depressed/anxious. All of them are on anti-depressants. Over the years many of them had suicidal tendencies when starting anti-depressants. The suicidal ideation became so strong in some that they attempted it. I am lucky to have not had to have dealt with a death yet. It really amazed me as soon as the meds were changed or lowered that the suicidal ideation went down dramatically in every case I dealt with.

I also have concluded that there really is nothing wrong with these kids other than they have no direction or goals and became addicted to world of war craft and other forms of entertainment. They stopped growing and their spirits are not being fed. Depression is actually a gift to let us know that our lives are off track and out of balance. It is a built in check system to let us know that we need to make some changes. It is our guide and friend if we are aware of the true purpose of depression.

The real conspiracy is the school systems as here in Canada, boards collect and extra money from the government for coded students who are medicated. The districts send out psychologist in grade 2 classrooms to start screening for candidates by giving them tests that they clearly don't understand. Referrals are then made to mental health region psychiatrists after the parents are convinced by the district that their child is in peril. The district I work for collects an extra 18,000 per child that gets coded. It is a business and I have witnessed them first hand screening and double screening kids to meet quotas.

You know some people are born bad, even before their parents or society get onto them. Maybe nutritional deficiencies during gestation or mom or dad drank, or mom starved herself during pregnancy so as to not lose her figure, or maybe mom didnt get enough sunshine ......whatever the reason the seed is warped before the baby is born.

The really bad ones are born not made. There are plenty of cases where kids have been abused and treated all wrong, and they never went on to do bsd things to anyone.

There are also cases where kids who had perfectly normal upbringings turned out to be homocidal maniacs and serial killers.

Sure medications arent great, but they arent always the reason the wheels fall off, in my view anyway.

meds

cause you just can't wait to go insane.

All big pharma drugs have side effects ; some worse than others.
This one has some bad side effects. I dont know of any personally.

But here is something I found easily:

WARNING

SERIOUS DERMATOLOGIC REACTIONS AND HLA-B*1502 ALLELE

SERIOUS AND SOMETIMES FATAL DERMATOLOGIC REACTIONS, INCLUDING TOXIC EPIDERMAL NECROLYSIS (TEN) AND STEVENS-JOHNSON SYNDROME (SJS), HAVE BEEN REPORTED DURING TREATMENT WITH TEGRETOL. THESE REACTIONS ARE ESTIMATED TO OCCUR IN 1 TO 6 PER 10,000 NEW USERS IN COUNTRIES WITH MAINLY CAUCASIAN POPULATIONS, BUT THE RISK IN SOME ASIAN COUNTRIES IS ESTIMATED TO BE ABOUT 10 TIMES HIGHER. STUDIES IN PATIENTS OF CHINESE ANCESTRY HAVE FOUND A STRONG ASSOCIATION BETWEEN THE RISK OF DEVELOPING SJS/TEN AND THE PRESENCE OF HLA-B*1502, AN INHERITED ALLELIC VARIANT OF THE HLA-B GENE. HLA-B*1502 IS FOUND ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY IN PATIENTS WITH ANCESTRY ACROSS BROAD AREAS OF ASIA. PATIENTS WITH ANCESTRY IN GENETICALLY AT-RISK POPULATIONS SHOULD BE SCREENED FOR THE PRESENCE OF HLA-B*1502 PRIOR TO INITIATING TREATMENT WITH TEGRETOL. PATIENTS TESTING POSITIVE FOR THE ALLELE SHOULD NOT BE TREATED WITH TEGRETOL UNLESS THE BENEFIT CLEARLY OUTWEIGHS THE RISK (SEE WARNINGS AND PRECAUTIONS/LABORATORY TESTS).

APLASTIC ANEMIA AND AGRANULOCYTOSIS

APLASTIC ANEMIA AND AGRANULOCYTOSIS HAVE BEEN REPORTED IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE USE OF TEGRETOL. DATA FROM A POPULATION-BASED CASE CONTROL STUDY DEMONSTRATE THAT THE RISK OF DEVELOPING THESE REACTIONS IS 5-8 TIMES GREATER THAN IN THE GENERAL POPULATION. HOWEVER, THE OVERALL RISK OF THESE REACTIONS IN THE UNTREATED GENERAL POPULATION IS LOW, APPROXIMATELY SIX PATIENTS PER ONE MILLION POPULATION PER YEAR FOR AGRANULOCYTOSIS AND TWO PATIENTS PER ONE MILLION POPULATION PER YEAR FOR APLASTIC ANEMIA.

ALTHOUGH REPORTS OF TRANSIENT OR PERSISTENT DECREASED PLATELET OR WHITE BLOOD CELL COUNTS ARE NOT UNCOMMON IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE USE OF TEGRETOL, DATA ARE NOT AVAILABLE TO ESTIMATE ACCURATELY THEIR INCIDENCE OR OUTCOME. HOWEVER, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE CASES OF LEUKOPENIA HAVE NOT PROGRESSED TO THE MORE SERIOUS CONDITIONS OF APLASTIC ANEMIA OR AGRANULOCYTOSIS.

BECAUSE OF THE VERY LOW INCIDENCE OF AGRANULOCYTOSIS AND APLASTIC ANEMIA, THE VAST MAJORITY OF MINOR HEMATOLOGIC CHANGES OBSERVED IN MONITORING OF PATIENTS ON TEGRETOL ARE UNLIKELY TO SIGNAL THE OCCURRENCE OF EITHER ABNORMALITY. NONETHELESS, COMPLETE PRETREATMENT HEMATOLOGICAL TESTING SHOULD BE OBTAINED AS A BASELINE. IF A PATIENT IN THE COURSE OF TREATMENT EXHIBITS LOW OR DECREASED WHITE BLOOD CELL OR PLATELET COUNTS, THE PATIENT SHOULD BE MONITORED CLOSELY. DISCONTINUATION OF THE DRUG SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IF ANY EVIDENCE OF SIGNIFICANT BONE MARROW DEPRESSION DEVELOPS

You're all a bunch of cynical, paranoid idiots.
I've been on SSRIs for a while now after suffering from General Anxiety Disorder, Major Depressive Disorder and Body Dysmorphic Disorder(that's a whole lotta' disorders :O) and I honestly feel perfect now. They've worked wonders on me.
Like any drugs you can have some adverse side effects, but obviously the people that committed these crimes were already quite mentally unstable if they were being placed on the drugs...

On the contrary;

I used to work in health care as a professional. I know that all drugs can be very dangerous if not monitored correctly and used right.

Also, there are people that should not be taking certain meds; it is all individual.

Perhaps the one(s) you are on are right for you AND you have a competent health provider.

This is not always the case.


Also, older adults cannot properly filter these meds anymore due to their aging bodies. Older adults have less of a capability to filter through their kidneys and or liver.
They should not be put on such high doses of these meds and need to be monitored more frequently than younger adults.


So, think before just spewing off "idiot" and garbage language ...

I'm well aware people are different, and can react differently to the drugs.
My dig at the paranoid and cynical people wasn't directed at the OP, who made a fair point in his original post, it was directed at the people who seem to think that Anti-Depressants are used intentionally to affect the patient negatively(or as some sort of mind control), which is simply bullshit.

Hmmm, You know how to switch a horse? LOL. I know how....And yes, Emphathy is very strong in my chart. I can put myself in the victims last moments. and feel them with stunning clarity. Im not sure how supernatural this ability is. if it is anything at all. but it really does bring me down.

Where is Kip Kinkle in the list? what happened? its such a long list..Sorrowful to read. I take it ,it wasnt a happy ending.

This is not entirely in error either I dont think.

LSD; was used my a secret military government program in the 1950s and 1960s to experiment on people. This is a fact.
You can find it in researching.
I do know that there is a lot of black research done. I think this is where these people are coming from.
Our world is not rose colored; and there are those who find ways to exploit anything.

as a naturopath of many years experience i can concur with the general belief that most mental illnesses/ chemical imbalances are induced or at least aggravated by dietary factors most commonly sugar and caffeine.

Did it ever occur to you that these people were nuts and that is why they were on meds???????


duh......

Proof that these meds turn you into a zombie.

Letter: 'No one is listening' about SSRIs
Phyllis Sparta
St. Augustine

Published Saturday, April 14, 2001
Last fall, I was uncommonly impressed by Dr. Julian Whitaker's soundly researched expose of anti-depressant prescription drugs, featured in the September issue of his medical journal, Health & Healing. It presented indisputable evidence of a deadly link between users of certain prescription drugs and monstrous acts of violence randomly occurring in schools and homes nationwide. His study condemns the use of four drugs, known as SSRIs, Prozac, Luvox, Zoloft and Paxil, which chemically alter brain function by increasing its level of serotonin in exactly the same manner as LSD and PCP (angel dust) -- those hallucinogenic drugs, once legally marketed, but banned when found to cause irrational, violent behavior. SSRIs are no less dangerous. Their effects are unpredictable. They might calm one user and turn another into a dehumanized monster, without capacity for empathy or caring. I shared those explosive findings in a letter to The Record, published Oct. 9, 1999.

Alas, since then, school and domestic tragedies have proliferated along with increasingly widespread use of the named prescription drugs; not only among teens, but by people of all ages. The link is ignored. Currently experiencing a profiteer's bonanza, the pharmaceutical industry and its super sophisticated advertising agencies have a powerful incentive to stifle revelations that expose the dark side of their wealth producing wares. Pressured by leading drug company salesmen and heavy media promotions, harried physicians are induced to dispense their free ''miracle'' drug samples to the hordes of disturbed patients clamoring for the instant relief pills they saw on TV.


The recent drug/violence horror story of the Ponte Vedra Beach mother, whose four-year-old twin sons were shot and killed while she was allegedly under the influence of Zoloft or Paxil, bears a striking resemblance to the appalling crime committed in October 1991 by Kristine Marie Cushing, age 39. She shot and killed her daughters, Elizabeth, 8, and Stephanie Marie, 4, while they lay sleeping in their beds. She had been taking Prozac.

A sampling of other cited drug related atrocities follows: Eric Harris, one of the shooters in the Columbine School massacre was taking Luvox. Kip Kinkel, 14, shot and killed his parents, then killed two and wounded 22 of his fellow classmates at Thurston High School in Oregon. He was taking Prozac. Barbara Mortenson, age 66, attacked her 81-year-old mother in November 1991, biting her more than 20 times and leaving chunks of flesh strewn on the floor. She had been taking Prozac for the previous two weeks. Matthew Miller, 13, a bright, healthy beloved child, was feeling a bit melancholy after changing schools. The psychiatrist gave him some samples of Zoloft with instructions to ''give it a try for a week.'' In the early morning hours of his seventh day on Zoloft, Matthew committed suicide. He hanged himself in his closet.

SSRIs endanger society. They should be outlawed. ''A few people have tried to warn the neighborhood,'' said Dr. Whitaker last September, ''but no one is listening.''

I have been taking prozac for around 3 yrs, before that efflexor (sp).
nothing, no side affects, nothing
i still feel depressed most of the time.

I started taking prozac after my son died against my husband's wishes, he kept insisting - "Your kid's dead, your supposed to be depressed." I didn't listen.

A few months later I got sick and had a surgery go awry leaving me bedridden for six months and on a second anti-depressant, elavil.

As I recovered things got very strange - I had some damn odd thoughts, not concerned with hurting others, but this strange idea that if I died myself it really wouldn't hurt any of those people that loved me. It's still very hard to explain that period of time, but my thinking was like a free pass on suicide.

Luckily, I didn't kill myself and weaned off the drugs. I think, as several has already stated, that we have come to believe that life should be butterflies and rainbows all the time. As another poster stated, I do think that often times depression is just a little nudge to let you know you're off track.

I came to the conclusion, if life sucks, change it. And if it all sucks, change it all - which is what I did.

BTW - part of the changes I made included nutrition and getting away from negative people.

This is important, I hope more see this.

Dexedrine IS METH... 100% pure METH.

Anti-depressants are PURE GARBAGE. It's hilarious...how can these toxic brain-rot pills help someone with depression when one of it's millions of side-effects are "increased risk of suicide"?!? PURE Con-man garbage and pur STUPIDITY on the parts of someone who falls for the trap and takes this psychotic crap that permanently messes up your brain wiring even after stopping taking them.

What a pathetic, jerkoff world we live in.

Indeed, very scary... human genuia pigs

I was on Zoloft for a while for anxiety/depression...was having suicidal thoughts after a while...I was going thru a very hard time with my marriage...

...ended up quitting zoloft for a few years...then got a divorce...more anxiety etc...now I am on Effexor...

I havent' had a problem with it, however, I don't want to be addicted to it anymore simply because i don't want to feed the big pharma monster...


...I think mj probably would help me more...that and exercise...and of course diet (which I am pretty good about)